press release

Sept. 10, 2012, 10:00 a.m. EDT
The 9/11 Hijackers: Fraud in Official Video Exhibits Uncovered by Expert Panel

NEW YORK, Sept. 10, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- A Panel of 22 researchers into the history of 9/11 has uncovered evidence of fraud in the photographic images of Muslim hijackers prior to boarding the planes on 9/11.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-911-hijackers-fraud-in-official-vid...

Read Chris Bollyn's new book here (pdf-from his web site):
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book#article_12159

I think, like the Dems we should be thinking "forward" and put all our efforts into making sure this doesn't ever happen again. The only people to blame are the ones who hijacked those planes and crashed them into those buildings.

on 9/11? uh, my birthday? oh yeah i remember! I thought it was the day that as a society of gluts and pigs that somehow we would finally be humbled. Even wrote a nice little poem that hung in my shop window almost up until Christmas, that many a passer by asked to have a copy of until one day one of the glut-pigs (my superior) told me to remove it from the window. 11 years since? America is no longer home of free and brave its more like a land of cowards, political crooks and cranks and selfish little pigs. A me,me,me sort of place. the rich get richer the poor get poorer people screwin' anyone they can to get ahead and soldiers slog off to a forgotten war and our elected officials just keep pissin' in the wind as the little red dog continue to brainwash the mindless minions. And me? just angry at myself for not making the gajillions i wanted to so i could buy a way into the lime light and shoot my mouth off about the idiocy of the whole thing! meanwhile in chicago yet again the pigs are sticking it to the working stiffs as we seemingly continue our social downward spiral. can't give the educators a 2% hike yet administrators and others in the education system get monster hikes? WTF! Man todays my birthday! I never thought at fitty i would have such a bad taste in my mouth over what "we" the once united now divided states have become, truly,truly sad. but as all pressing on so shall I, just hope those pigs don't make off with the rest of money while i'm sleeping in the night....

one last thing in looking at the Chicago thing? it appears someone wants us all working for minimum wage, huh?

Look, we live in a corrupt world. There is a pattern here. It goes back to Nixon in the 50's and those same people are still here. The John Birch Society. If you look at all of our nations tragedy's since 11/22/63, there are two common threads.

1. Sloppy investigations

2. The bush crime family.

Frankly, I think we are doomed to history repeating itself over and over again.

You know this response had to be comming, Sooooo how many high jackers were there with box cutters ? We've all seen box cutters and we all pretty much know it would be next to impossible for a skinny arab with a , what ! A 1 inch depth blade, to kill a struggling vicitm with a box cutter. I suppose if they remained completely still while they allowed someone half their size to slash their jugular vein. How many high jackers total where there 11 or 14 ? How many per plane ? There are several highly decorated fighter pilots, former Marines who doubt this whole fairy tale. In fact there are more credible doubters with expertise than supporters. More than half the public in both the US and Europe believe the whole hoopla was a sloppy inside job, poorly executed, and poorly covered up. When the bottom half the structure of the twin towers isn't strong enough to stand when the weight of the top half is removed it defy's logic and 7th grade physics. Building 7

had a fire inside for no apparent reason and then colapsed for no apparent reason. For all the discredit by the right wing wackos telling us all we have tin foil wrapped around our heads It is overwhelming to almost all with an IQ over 80 that something went down that day which did not involve terrorist from outside the nation. The real terrorists where corporate capitalists taking control of a free democratic government for total control of international governments. They took control over millions of citizens as if they were livestock. Regardless of the consequesnces we all demand a complete unbiased investigation and bring the real criminals to justice. All those before and behind the scenes. I am disappointed in you Thom, Bill Moyers, and others who refuse to acknowlege the truth in order to avoid eroding their credibility and will eventually go down in history as cowards.

kend: So, you mean that the 19 alleged hijackers are the only ones to blame and no one else? So OBL was not responsible?

The problem with using that idea of just looking toward the future and forgetting about the past is that if you were to apply that to everything else..we would not have progressed past Stone Age creatures. In order to succeed in the future, you have to know where you've been. Everything we know to be true today..and use constantly to progress even further has depended upon looking at the past..learning what others have learned and done and succeeded or failed at..in order to know what works and what doesn't.

If we used the philosophy that we shouldn't waste our time dwelling in the past then maybe we should forgive every single thief or murderer and just let them go. They are likely to commit those crimes again and again.

Hell, the Republican party couldn't even let go of Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. They sure are looking to the past when they tell us that they want to reduce social programs so small they can drown them in bathtubs.

Funny, how the criminals just want us to forget about the past so they can continue to screw us in the future. They desperately don't want their treason to be widely known and believed by the majority of people. And saying: "let's just concentrate on the future" is part of how they hope to keep us all dumb and stupid. Unfortunately, they have a lot of Democrats, even Obama, parroting that phrase.

I have always believed that the Bush administration knew, to the last detail, about the terrorists plans to fly ONE plane into ONE of the towers - and decided to "enhance" the plan for political AND monetary gain. I hope someday the truth will come out and the REAL threat to American ideals and freedom will be exposed as the traitors AND MURDERERS they are.

We need more spies spying on the spies...hackers digging for the truth and putting it on display for the whole world to see.

I am amazed that no one bothered to mention the statements made by the architectural designer that created the buildings that were destroyed by the aircraft that flew into them! The main support structures that supported the two main towers were located on the outside of the buildings, not on the inside, as most conventional designs. Once the outer support skeleton was weakened, there were no inner support beams to hold the floors from pancaking downward. The weight of each failing and falling floor caused the floor beneath to fall down, one after the other. The buildings having their skeleton on the outside of the structure allowed for more room on the inside of the building. The buildings were not designed to support themselves once the outer support structures (skeleton) were weakened by the impact and the jet fuel that cascaded downward, melting the main support skeleton. This information was explained to the world by the team that designed the structures. Unfortunately I do not have a web site to go to that explains why the structures failed. I will Google what information I have to see if there is a report on line. I truly believe Bush and Cheney were capable of many evil things, but to believe they were responsible for the terrorist Muslims that flew aircraft into the towers and the information that was disclosed by the flight school who trained these terrorists was all fabricated is really reaching a bit too far. The idea that Bush and Cheney conspired to kill 3000+ Americans to start a meaningless war and they and their cohorts were the main force behind this is almost on the utter most fringes of thought! To believe they could actually pull this off and the only proof are conspiracy theorists that believe it was impossible for the aircraft loaded with fuel to destroy the towers, is almost psychotic and delusional to say the least. And did they also make up the stories involving the training of these men, to fly aircraft that were already airborne. To believe all the people that were involved was just a way to throw the blame in another direction to fool the American public and the World is unbelievable in itself. As I read what other commenters have declared as a conspiracy by Bush and others in his administration, all I hear are a group of angry people that will believe anything that decries of conspiracy to harm the American public. I mean really angry individuals, which will believe anything to justify their hate and distrust of the American government. Sorry guys, you're just a little too far out there for me........I guess you would just call me one of the masses that have been fooled by the evil government that runs this country. To believe that all the people that would have had to be involved in such a scheme have been silenced or unwilling to come forward is in itself is hard to believe. Ever try to keep a secret in Washington, let alone something of this magnitude from the World, good luck chasing the boogey men in Washington...And it is not blight on your record to believe you might need a little therapy! (HA)

Is it not obvious why the Bush administration went to such lengths to pontificate on patriotism and the need to come together and protect the many freedoms we American supposedly enjoy? Is it not obvious why the debris was hauled away before anyone could see it, why such startling disjunctions have been erased, like discussions of the bombs that everyone close to the Twin Towers heard, or why Building 7 just mysteriously collapsed hours after the events on the morning of 9/11? Does anyone wonder why the 9/11 Truth Commission report is riddled with holes and dry as dust? And now those of us who thought we were voting for change and would somehow get to the bottom of what we knew in our heart of hearts was not evil in some axis spanning other parts of the globe, but right before us in Washington DC, now we are left with a gaping disillusionment that increases each day with new reports about this whistleblower, that CIA informant, the newest and latest enemy of the State. Who in all of this is the victim of paranoia and what motivates that paranoia? Remember Raskolnikov in Dostoyevsky’s novel, Crime and Punishment? Such a frantic rush to cover over the evidence, to create alibis and scapegoats. The great movement afoot is to protect not us but the evil that resides at our center. No one would get through the American justice system (the one we thought we had in days gone by) with the brazen distortions, lies and quick change artistry applied by the Bush Administration and now upheld by Mr. Obama. But this much we do know:

The future of America’s so-called freedoms was probably already marked down before 9/11 and the plan for what America has become there on the books ready to be enacted as soon as the first plane hit the North Tower on 9/11.

Check out this link if you want to know more about this event seen from the viewpoint of people who are not constrained to close their eyes, ears, hearts and minds lest they be seen as traitors:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI-hWKvou2k

In early 1964, an analysis was done by WTC building designers, that calculated that the WTC towers could handle the impact of a 707 or DC8 traveling at 600 mph without collapsing. "Such a collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building..."

Between 1984 and 1985, Les Robertson, one of the original structural engineers said, in response to whether the towers would collapse from a bomb or a slow moving airplane. He said that "there is little likelihood of a collapse no matter how the building was attacked."

In 1993, John Skilling, a building designer, recalled his people doing an analysis that found that the twin towers could withstand the impact of a 707. They believed that the fuel would dump into the buildings causing a large fire but "the building structure would still be there."

In 2001, Leslie Robertson, one of the two original structural engineers for the WTC, says that "I designed it for a 707 to smash into it." He also says "The twin towers were in fact the first structures outside the military and nuclear industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airplane."

On Jan 25, 2001:
Frank A. Demartini, the on-site construction manager for the WTC: "The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door--this intense grid--and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting.."

Sept 3-7, 2001:
Just before 911..Roberson again made a statement that the towers would remain standing after a jet-liner crash.

After 911:
Leslie Robertson was not available for comment...said his Manhattan firm..."we are going to hold off on comment".

In 2002:
Leslie Robertson said: "I support the general conclusions of the NIST report. The WTC was designed for the impact of a low flying slow flying Boeing 707. ....it was not designed for a high speed impact from the jets that actually hit it."

So Robertson has made some glaring contradictions. And although he now says that their previous calculations was only done with a low speed crash (600 mph)...he now says 180 mph was used in the original calculations and says nothing about the 600 mph speed they repeatedly said before 911.

Question is...why has Robertson seemingly changed his tune? Was he pressured to reverse his previous statements? Do you now trust what he says now?

This, and much more can be found here:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/210207designers.htm

Watch that documentary I mentioned before at Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth and listen to the testimonies of other Architects and Engineers about the structure of those buildings.

The Goats Rue, Its name derives from gale (milk) and ega (to bring on), its French, but native to the Middle East, and Pakistan. Do a wiki. So for Mr. George W. Bush America should bring it on. Ever since watching 911, George Bush as a first responder just sitting, reading a goat story, for about seven minutes after the first plane hit a sense of alarm was within me. But at that time asked myself: Why didn’t Bush get up from his goat story and go after the first initial plane hit. It’s intuitive, one should feel it, Bush knew something was to happen and he waited.

It is not to build the case that Bush conspired, but it is that Bush had the power, and the intelligence system to prevent such a horrible event. It’s the case that Bush let it play out. Intentionally, deliberately, with a future plan that had all the military reasons to take actions at levels as never before. All this should now be considered by a grand jury of separate charges to six separate individuals, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Bolts, Rumsfeld, and Rice. All should be charged with at least minor negligence, or severe treason. We had enough of the Congressional and Senate stuff, it’s Grand Jury time. This is not conspiracy, all the criminal vectors are statistically regressive and they point to all those listed.

When I found out that Bush has a bother that is connected to the insurance company that is contracted for the security equipment in the trade towers it turned into vision like a Cecil B. De Milles wide screen picture of the greatest story ever told. This is bigger than the bible.

Thanks for the reference to the videos. This is the first time I saw them. Which adds to my personal view, Bush knew something awful was going to happen. He, Bush, did nothing to prevent it. Or actually, side tracked events so the tragedy could play out. And what connects the Bush family again to the Arabs is the security company for the towers. Marvin P. Bush, the little-known younger brother of George W. Bush, was a director of Securacom/Stratesec, a Kuwaiti/Saudi-backed company, until June 2000 (A year and three months before 9/11). The company that provided electronic security to the World Trade Center in the days before the attacks and provided security to Dulles International Airport (Where the government says Flight 77 took off from).

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/911?before=1327269550

On 9/11, Marv Bush was on the board of HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc., which insured parts of the WTC. He is still an adviser to this company. This begs the question. Were there insurance liabilities that could be erased, or stock and bond liabilities that could be written off? It also suggests scandal of treasonous proportions. All covered up by the media.

All a not too difficult an issue for a complete Democratic take over for the Congress and the Senate on grounds that new evidence is compiled from 911 that could involve a cover up in the Bush administration. As an October surprise, offered before the election in that the Congress and Senate need to be Democratic to open and air formal grand jury investigations.

That could carry on for years.

I learned that democracy in America is truly a sham, and that the evil empire, the nation that is the greatest threat to the safety of the world and to the preservation of civilization is America.

No, you're a die-hard patriot who refuses to accept the truth that our government is totally corrupted.

I believe there were a number of reasons that 911 was carried out..aside from the obvious...excuse to invade the Middle East, control the oil, and as a strategic place for yet more military bases. What, I think, many people are missing is that the neocons and neoliberals had been pillaging us for 30 years...overturning laws that protected us from the ravages of banksters and Wall Street. America was converted from a manufacturing base economy to a finance economy where it was easier to steal our money. Businesses were trying to maximize their short term profits in any way they could...at first, it was reducing wages and benefits and demanding more productivity. Then they started shipping our jobs overseas...and many people had previously bought into the "buy now before it is too late" philosophy in home ownership. The Fed was artificially keeping their rates low...like practically free money to the banks and they would make a killing on higher rates. But the real scam was they made it really easy, initially, for people to buy homes. They even pushed liars loans to many people who really didn't know any better. The increased sales..sellers market...artificially spiked home prices. Then bust...the balloon burst and people lose their homes to the banks.

There were also casino capitalist scams...derivatives, various ponzi schemes.....liars ratings...and then there were all of the illegal bonds that were stored in one of the WTC towers that were to come due on 912 that would have caused a real scandal. Bank vaults inside the WTC towers were cleaned out (note: it would have taken a long time...longer than they had since the 1st airliner crash...to clean out the vaults. There were also many very suspect trades done just prior to the disaster. And then there were the investigations of illegal economic actions by various large corporations that had records stored in the WTC towers and in that side of the Pentagon that got hit. Enron and the others that got caught was just the very tip of the ice berg.

Finally, 911 made people very afraid and extremely, irrationally, xenophobic and jingoistic. Instead of being concerned about the myriad of companies like Enron in line to be prosecuted the people were now concerned about Muslim Terrorists, crop dusters...be sure to tape up those windows and door! There was no longer any resolve, even by those in the know, the investigators, law enforcement, Congress, and apparently even now, Obama, to investigate and prosecute. The pansies are just saying "let's just look to the future and not dwell on the past".

Now they have us where they want us...without the freedoms we had before and spying on us and can even, just like the KGB, abduct us from our homes, send us to Gitmo and torture us. It could happen. It has happened.

"scandal of treasonous proportions"
That's what I think...exactly! And thanks for posting those connections to the insurance company and to the security of the WTC buildings. I had mentioned them before but forgot their names at that time.

And, you are probably right about Bush...he may have been just a small player in all of this. It may have been way over his head and he just went along, perhaps? And, of course, that goes for Obama, now, as well...way over his head...and he knows it. That may be why Bush looked like the cat that swallowed the canary when reading that goat book...frozen in his tracks. Or, like a "deer caught in the head lights". Like..."oh, sh!t, they really, really did do this after all!" Bush was the President, and as all Presidents seem to take the heat for every bad thing that happens because they are very visible. I think there is a very powerful group (don't even know what to call them...some might have names but I never really got into any of those "conspiracy theories" ;-} )

JFK didn't want to have anything to do with Operation Northwoods and, who knows, may have been part of the reason they terminated him.

I believe that FDR had his conspiracy as well...in the Pearl Harbor attack. Another instance where they decided to bait the enemy and sacrifice thousands in order to control the people. It worked then so well then that the neocons thought it a good idea in planning 911..they already had lots of ideas from Operation Northwoods.

Right on, Tomcalwriter1! I have watched a number of those documentaries and will, no doubt, watch them again. I am glad that most of us have not been hoodwinked by the criminals that have taken over this country...maybe there is still hope. Now, if we can only get Thom Hartmann and others in the media to take a good look at the evidence and brave it out enough to publicly question the government's official conspiracy theory. I bet Abby Martin, of Russia Today would speak out...she is very outspoken...Yay! Abby!

hb091666: I believe there is a difference between Bush and Obama in some things...and Obama may even want to do the right thing for America...I can't believe this of Bush or Romney.

I guess it depends on what one means when one says "America", the Ultra-rich America--the 1% (or as Bush bragged before his constituents...his base); or, "America"-- the 99% of people who are suffering under the Draconian and Machiavellian rule of the 1%.

And a large part of that 99% voted for Obama believing in him... just to find that the first thing he does is appoint the very same wolves who destroyed our economy to overlord over it.

He takes a healthcare bill, written in large part by Romney and the insurance companies, and hocks it off as something we should praise him for.

He gets out of Iraq (sort of) but only on the timetable originally agreed to by Bush.

He gives the ok to kill OBL, but not to capture him, and they illegally invaded Pakistan's sovereign space killing several other men along with OBL. Cold blooded murder is Cold Blooded Murder! This should be a war crime and probably is! I've read Matt Bissonette's (come on, now, Fox news already outed the guy) book (chapters 15 & 16) detailing the murder of those men. Very gruesome and was totally unwarranted. I watched Matt Bissonette on 60 minutes and while 60 minutes hypocritically said they would not use his real name (although I thought I heard them say it once during that broadcast) they did mention that a cable channel already outed him...failing to mention Fox...but it was Fox.

Obama continues to murder civilians with his drones in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The US is still there, occupying and murdering people, and creating the atmosphere where hundreds of thousands of people are willing to do jihad against us.

Despite TSA making such ridiculous harassing gestures, taking away mother's baby milk and nail files and groping people...the international flights I was on (every one) gave out stainless steel, sharp, serrated edged dinner knives on international flights going and coming.

And studies have shown that the TSA are not very effective in screening for weapons...as a very high number of weapons have been smuggled past the check points.

It's not the "terrorists" they are trying to catch...it's all about creating the atmosphere of fear...so they can control us...and do it "in our faces" (and crotches)!

hb091666: I believe there is a difference between Bush and Obama in some things...and Obama may even want to do the right thing for America...I can't believe this of Bush or Romney.

I guess it depends on what one means when one says "America", the Ultra-rich America--the 1% (or as Bush bragged before his constituents...his base); or, "America"-- the 99% of people who are suffering under the Draconian and Machiavellian rule of the 1%.

And a large part of that 99% voted for Obama believing in him... just to find that the first thing he does is appoint the very same wolves who destroyed our economy to overlord over it.

He takes a healthcare bill, written in large part by Romney and the insurance companies, and hocks it off as something we should praise him for.

He gets out of Iraq (sort of) but only on the timetable originally agreed to by Bush.

He gives the ok to kill OBL, but not to capture him, and they illegally invaded Pakistan's sovereign space killing several other men along with OBL. Cold blooded murder is Cold Blooded Murder! This should be a war crime and probably is! I've read Matt Bissonette's (come on, now, Fox news already outed the guy) book (chapters 15 & 16) detailing the murder of those men. Very gruesome and was totally unwarranted. I watched Matt Bissonette on 60 minutes and while 60 minutes hypocritically said they would not use his real name (although I thought I heard them say it once during that broadcast) they did mention that a cable channel already outed him...failing to mention Fox...but it was Fox.

Obama continues to murder civilians with his drones in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The US is still there, occupying and murdering people, and creating the atmosphere where hundreds of thousands of people are willing to do jihad against us.

Despite TSA making such ridiculous harassing gestures, taking away mother's baby milk and nail files and groping people...the international flights I was on (every one) gave out stainless steel, sharp, serrated edged dinner knives on international flights going and coming.

And studies have shown that the TSA are not very effective in screening for weapons...as a very high number of weapons have been smuggled past the check points.

It's not the "terrorists" they are trying to catch...it's all about creating the atmosphere of fear...so they can control us...and do it "in our faces" (and crotches)! Next? Cavity searches?...now won't that be fun?

Oh, but wait! That already happened to one poor woman who told her story on Wordsmith. She was half Palestinian sitting next to two Indian men on the plane flying into Phoenix. They stopped the plane on the tarmac and dozens of cops with powerful weapons boarded the plane...told everyone to put their heads down and their hands on top of the seat in front. They then handcuffed the woman and the two Indian men and put each one in a dirty 4'x6' cell with a filthy toilet. She suffered the indignity of temporary imprisonment, repeated questioning, and they did a cavity search on her. They let her go and she went home to her awaiting husband.

hb091666: You're welcome! Yes, there have been many buildings either having been hit by aircraft or on fire. Some fires were really terrible...much more terrible than the WTC buildings yet they didn't collapse. The thing is that the debunkers would say that the WTC building was mostly built of steel and had much less concrete to act as a fire barrier which would protect the steel beams and provide more rigidity. That's true. However, the steel beams in the WTC did have asbestos insulation as a protection from fire. As a matter of fact the asbestos was part of the reason why it made some people very happy that the buildings came down. It would have cost a fortune to remove that asbestos and replace it with a different insulation. It really was a nightmare waiting to happen..legal wise and health wise. 911 solved a lot of problems for a lot of people...especially Silverstein.

But, even if the upper floors did collapse...there is just no way that the buildings could fall straight down at free fall speed like that unless demolitions were used. It is a matter of do you believe in physics and science or do you believe in magic? NIST wants us all to believe in magic...or at least their dumb conspiracy theory. Both the WTC towers and the WTC 7 building came straight down in their foot prints. And how can that be when the planes hit the building on one side and the WTC7 fire was on one side. Why would they not have tilted or broken off and come down to their sides?

Now there is one thing that could be possible...that the buildings were built with explosives already planted...or at least planted some time after they were built. The thought here would be similar to the rocket launches...they can be detonated if they look like they are flying off course and can hit a populated area. It could be that many tall buildings, in order to keep them from falling over and wiping out a lot of other buildings full of people, can be detonated to fall in it's foot print. If this was the case, then I sure wouldn't want to be working in any of those buildings. And it might be that they sure don't want people to know about this. But, the problem with that idea is that explosives get temperamental and unstable with age..and they may not do this because of that.

But, of course, the most likely scenario is that they planted the explosives in the months and weeks prior to 911.

hb091666: Hey, thanks! I missed today's show wearing out my fingers typing. I'll catch it on the internet. Glad to hear it! Thom is really great but I sometimes think he's trying to convince us to vote for Obama (what?!..no kidding?!)...and there is nothing wrong with that if he truly believes that Obama is what is best for us (yes, he certainly would be better than Romney for sure) but I have a more sinister belief that both parties, hence, both candidates are really useful idiots for the ruling elite. Obama may want to do things for the 99% (but, I don't know... he sure doesn't act like it sometimes) but he may have no other choice. For all I know, after candidate Obama won the election the first time, they may have sat him down and told him how things were going to be ...or else. Would they do the same to Jill Stein? Probably! Would Jill Stein be scared into submitting to their dictates? Now, that would be one brave lady..but I'm sure Cheri Honkala could whoop their a$$!

hb091666: Yes, scary, indeed! Well, if you want to continue voting for the entrenched two-party system..yes, I guess you're stuck with the lessor of two evils. We could vote for an angel...(Jill Stein)...but I don't really know how angelic she really is. She is Jewish but I don't know how attached she would be to the political faction that has control over America now. Some Jews are not the Zionist ones that carry out a form of Apartheid against the Palestinians. Many Jews hate what the radical Israeli government is doing in Palestine (Israel). But her messages are very compelling...just as compelling as Obama was when he campaigned the first time. I just don't think I can vote for Obama again because it would be a vote for the corrupt two party system that is ruled by the oligarchy. I would love to see that two party system thrown out on it's trunk and a$$ just to show them that they don't have us all down to a one or the other choice.

I really don't know much about the Libertarian candidate either. I do know that there used to be two different kinds of Libertarian...liberal ones, believe it or not...they just objected to the government's intrusion into their personal lives...then the conservative ones who want to privatize everything. I think that the later is the one that is usually believed to be dominant and, in my opinion, is as evil as Republicans.

hb091666: And gravity (here on Earth anyway) doesn't melt steel as it would have had to do in order to remove the resistance to free fall that the supporting under structure would have done...because the fire did not light up the whole building..it was localized. The under structure would have been fully intact and resisting free fall.

21 comments! I beat you! I win! Goodnight!

Palindromedary: I'm neither a physicist nor a chemist. Nonetheless, what is the explanation of the presence of molten metal many weeks after the event?! Where did that energy come from, just nano-thermite? Unless you have answers, those questions are rhetorical. The burning vehicles phenomenon is also very strange. And I'm not a Judy Wood acolyte.

The last 4 years have been wonderful! I'm voting for 4 more--not to go back to the 8 previous, which is where Romney is likely to take us. He's the same kind of dimwhit who will have evil minions make ALL the decisions while he golfs, or whatever he does for leisure, like destroy companies and US jobs while he socks more US money away in the Caymans, draining the US economy of capital.

I have been reading Al Gore's Assault on Reason. It's a terrible reminder of how truely awful the Bush & Co years were. Sometimes I stop reading because all that trauma comes back.

There are far too many funny/awful/strange things about 9/11. The demolition-like collapse of the towers and Building 7, how long it took to investigate, the lies that led to invading Iraq, the torture of innocent people--come on, if Bush & Co really wanted to get bin Laden, they would have.

Why aren't these people facing treason charges, at least, and murder, at most?