Well if we all vote to DEMOCRATIZE the House in two years, we might finally get The Employee Free Choice Act passed and set the working class free from some of this Koch funded madness which only leads to even greater concentration of wealth in the hands of a very few.

And I truly do mean madness. I say this with a study in mind, one that shows money only buys happiness up to about $75,000 a year. After this income level people don't report any greater level of happiness. So I think any job creator in favor of The Right to Work for Less Money law needs to be mindful of this study when the madness of greed overcomes their sense of fairness and standard of conduct regarding employees compensation and benefits.

Let's say the owner of a non union company decides he wants an extra couple hundred thousand for himself, it's a stagnant economy with no growth in profits, so a very tempting option is to simply cut that same amount from the company's employee health insurance contribution. He can easily do this because no UNION is there to stop him and what the heck he can blame it on Obama. I'm sure much worse than this is being done all the time, it's called vulture capitalism.

Anyway my real point is the extra income might purchase him a car elevator or another horse but is he any happier? I can assure you his employees are not.

Unrelated, I keep hearing Boehner slurring something about our spending problem. Let's be clear about this, the spending problem was a Republican one...... Bush unfunded tax cuts, unfunded wars, and bankster bailouts to name a few. So go to hell with your so called entitlement cuts. Don't spend my contributions on Cheney's damn war! Let him pay for it, he's one of the few who got rich from it.

Thom this should NOT come as a shock to anyone anymore there objectives have been cystal clear to many of WE THE PEOPLE for decades even with all the mind boggling convenient sideshows made to keep the masses busy but what is really disgraceful are the number of alternative news media people doing very well while watching this all unfold since the murder of JFK while other's get there skulls cracked shot with rubber bullets arrested for protesting the complete destruction of what was once there homes ,jobs healthcare, future "American dream" we have been forced to drive hours away just for a job that pays the bills and nothing more while living on pure hope that someday something good has got to happen only to have our hopes dashed because once again it's voting time and since every promise made by every "elected" official who lives off the blood of tax payers then votes against the very people who write his paycheck , How can we sit still anylonger while the very "Rule Of Law" tossed around in speeches and senate hearings seem's to only apply to WE THE PEOPLE . The shameful blatant hypocrisy together with the everyday conflicts of interest that are common practice today didn't just start last week and why you spend so much time doing your Republican Vs Democrate vs liberal Green whatever thing is shameful when WE little people know fullwell what it's really about sure we have plenty of laws but only seem to be applied when we the people break them who could have ever imagined our entire Banking industry together with Insurance Companys and Investment houses conspired to plunder a Nation not once but time and time again and instead of LAWS being passed that benefit the now homesless home owners nothing get's accomplished NOBODY get's disgraced know one get's a very public arrest but rather bailed out with yet more of the tax dollars, our accounts would have been frozen solid long ago and any money's seized but not there's they all just sat there looking stupid infront of the world and did exactly like the Petroleum boys did ...so while we bust our asses working for less while paying more and getting less the exclusive boys clubs are giving fundraisers while smiling for the camera's and shaking hands with police commissioners Mayors senators congressman while look through the window drooling and as if thats not enough the Corrupt newsmedia has the audasity to blame it on the millions of homeowners who were swindled who's retirerment accounts emptied and still after all that Those lowly criminally insane scumbags in congress won't pass any kind of Jobs bill for Infrastructure that is so past needed anyway . Homeowners are still being foreclosed on by the very institutions that conspired against us .who worked overtime to get the very safeguards lifted that kept the industry almost safe for 100 yrs but the real icing on the cake thom is your refusal to say a word about HAARP and the Chemtrail Monsanto Raytheon Cabal and the role they play in the Manufactured weather industry that has been responsible for Mega cell T-storms Tsunamis Tornados that strike the same place twice ..P.S. Thom incase you haven't heard 9/11 had about as much to do with Osama bin laden as SANTA CLAUS come on thom clean out your head gear.

In the four years I've listened to Thom, his show has been an education for me. I've never heard anyone more knowledgeable about so many things: history, science, civics, sociology as well as politics. Thom is the crown jewel of progressive talk radio, something we have precious little of these days. Most of the airwaves in this country (like 85-90%) have been taken over by fascist, gestapo hacks like Rush Limbaugh & Glenn Beck, delivering hate speech, slurs & lies, exploiting the ideological divide in this country as well as people's ignorance and fear.

P.S. ragingdemo or whoever: what is HAARP?

Look Ken, I'm not going to argue with your reasons for being angry & cynical. In all likelihood I'm close to your age; I've seen the same friggin' movie play itself out over & over. Like you, I've witnessed the whole fifty-year enchilada. On many accounts, your feelings are quite justified. It's just that I don't happen to give a rat's behind whether Wienie Boy Baucus, Empty Suit Romney or Paul the Pipsqueak Ryan care what we think. Whatever. From my perspective this kind of dialogue among "we the people" still holds enough value to weigh in as an end in itself. I certainly wouldn't call it "talking into the wind". Should you maintain that we're wasting our breath and that I am "self-delusional", well then so be it; life goes on. The sun will still be rising tomorrow morning, rain or shine.

Beyond that, I think it is a mistake - even intellectually lazy - to lump all politicians together as a worthless bunch of deadbeats who are out to screw us over. I concede, most of them would probably fit that category. But there've been notable exceptions, like the late Ted "Where-Does-The-Greed-Stop" Kennedy, along with Dennis Kucinich, Alan Grayson, Jeff Merkley, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders... the list goes on! We'd be much worse off without these progressive warriors out there swinging for us, in the relentless glare of the media as well as the halls of Congress; those precious few whose minds & spirits aren't up for sale to the highest bidder.

Your dismissal of the Occupy Movement leaves me cold. What would you suggest, then? Please enlighten me to what it is YOU think we should do; give up? Just roll over and surrender to forces of greed & tyranny, while they continue bulldozing our lives and everything else into oblivion?!

Oh and by the way... as any history student worth his salt would tell you, our grandfathers didn't have it so easy either. How would you characterize World War One? You think that was pretty? So much for the "good ole days" ala Norman Rockwell...

Well I'll be...! Your latest reply popped up while I was still busy answering your previous one! And by jingles, I THOUGHT that looked like some kind of war plane in the photo you've used for your blog logo.

By the way, I'm never bored. Got too much going on to be bored.

I appreciate you acknowledging that these coversations are worth having. And I don't totally begrudge you your grouchiness because I too am a grouch. You've met your match, pal.

Peace, love an' grooviness! - Alice I.W.

Aliceinwonderland, HAARP is High frequency Active Auroral Research Program.

It's interesting what wikipedia says about it:

"HAARP has been blamed by conspiracy theorists for a range of events, including numerous natural disasters. HAARP is an attractive target for conspiracy theorists because "its purpose seems deeply mysterious to the scientifically uninformed"."

So either ragingdemo is scientifically uniformed or there's something going on. The latter is always my natural inclination, having been brought up to question everything. I'm also a natural born supporter of Thom, Ken Ware, 2050-10K and all the other good guys. Can't understand people like Global. I once lived next door to a lady in Texas who was absolutely conviced that Fox News was fair and balanced (!!) (because they said so, I suppose).

Sir..What these people have done over the course of the last 40 yrs to our once proud Honorable US Government process was put into play with just a memorandem by a very old cranky right wing soon to be appointed Supreme court Judge and as it made it's way through the wheels of industry and our very own elected officials along with much legal wizardry a great effort was put forth to UNDO the Regulation the Taxes even the "New Deal" nothing was left untouched Corporate funded think tanks sprang up over night bills were crafted the Major news media outlets greased and the wheels set in motion but whats really hard to follow was how in GODS name all this was accomplished directly under the huge nose of all Federal Law enforcement ALL ethics commitees without nobody saying a word or lifting a finger to stop any of it or call it what it was ...It just all somehow happened Magically until we woke up where WE THE PEOPLE are today ... Sorry I'm not buying any of it I might have been born at night but it surely wasn't last night these criminals who call themselves incumbent elected officials cost this nation and it's Tax payers trillions of dollars thousands of lost lives and all for what can you please tell me it wasn't for something as vulgar as greed , tell Me something what exactly does it say about the Caliber of the elected officials who set this up or allowed it to unfold and what punishement would you concider just ? We know all there names it just takes the will of many to exact repayment ..I'm ready.

The wealthy have, from the very beginning, plotted to make government (and they mean the government that helps to protect the non-wealthy) so small that it could be drowned in a bathtub. They have plotted all these years to destroy social programs...social security..medicare..medicade, etc. Now they want to get their greedy hands on the Social Security funds to gamble them in Wall Street Ponzi Schemes. They want to "privatize" our Social Security....put it all on number 13 black of the Wall Street Roulett Wheel. It will inevitably go just as bust as all those other Wall Street scams. In a couple of weeks, we'll find out just how much of Obama's bravado is blustery BS. The "Fiscal Cliff" is BS.

Thank you, "mcowley01", for enlightening me to HAARP. Sometimes it's hard to keep up with all the acronyms constantly blowing in my direction...

I actually liked most of what "ragingdemo" had to say. Even that peculiar writing style of his kinda appeals to me. But whenever anyone starts coming down on Thom Hartmann, it bugs me; especially when not enough specifics are given to comprise a coherent argument with any solid basis.

Thom has it all together; I can never hear too much of his take on any subject. Not many commentators I can say that about nowadays...

Having just locked horns with Ken Ware for a brief interlude (which was peacefully & amicably resolved), I still view him as a kindred spirit. I've enjoyed reading his entries, along with Palindromedary's, Loren Bliss's and No Fraud's. This most definitely is a cool blog.

Who causes wars, and why? How about even World Wars? So we had a major stock market crash in 1929, a result of a few extremely wealthy people gambling big time creating financial schemes, and suckering in millions of other hopeful Americans that they would also "make it big". Big bankers and corporations were scheming to create situations that would make them even wealthier.

History often seems to repeat itself..just like in the 1920s the scamsters were using other people's money, luring people into believing that they needed to gamble their money in the stock market, buy huge mortgages using "creative" financing...never mind rumors of "bubbles" bursting or what had happened in the 1920s. Get in while the gettin's good! And people fell for it. And, of course, the few scammers took advantage.

War makes a hell of a lot of money for a few people manipulating us into wars, and often, irrespective of the outcome. War also tends to distract from what the financial tricksters are doing to us right here at home.

It was known by a few in Europe and America that Japan had been pillaging Manchuria and China and then the rest of South East Asia for over 50 years stealing all their gold, jewels, and anything else of worth and hording it...stashing it away. Trillions of dollars worth of gold was buried in over a hundred mines in the Philippines by forced Filipino and American POW laborers who were murdered and buried in those mines. The US and Marcos got most of it. But there is still a lot of undiscovered gold buried or sunk in Philippine waters just waiting to be found by treasure hunters...but don't fall for buying maps from a Filipino...they're fake. Oh, and look out for the booby trap explosive and lethal gas bombs buried in those mines.

It was also known that Germany was doing the same in it's sphere of influence...stealing all the gold and jewels and paintings and everything else of worth from the Jews and others it had conquered. After Western bankers and corporations made lots of money while doing business with the Japanese and the Nazis (eg: IBM tabulating machines), they reaped a whole lot more after the fall of Nazi Germany and Japan. Read about Operation Golden Lily and Black Eagle Fund. Ever wonder what funded the cold war? Ever wonder where all that gold bullion in the US came from? And why does the US "hold" gold deposits of other countries? According to Max Keiser..60% of all German gold is being held at the Fed in New York (episode 358). "The German court of auditors..has demanded that the Bundesbank undertake an audit of its gold reserves. In an 'audit-the-fed' style effort, the court wants to ensure that the nearly 3400 tons of gold is in fact in existence - 'because stocks have never been checked for authenticity and weight'." --zerohedge.com "The powerful implication here is that German gold in London was sold a the behest of the United States and in exchange Germany took title to United States gold vaulted in the United States."--GATA.org And other countries are similar.

http://rt.com/programs/keiser-report/episode-358-max-keiser/

Then it was the Cold War, Korean War, Vietnam War, and all the other little LIC (Low Intensity Conflict) wars. They were all wars...but none really called wars since even Truman didn't even want to call the Korean War a War. Then it was the Drug War, and now the war on terrorists. These are all manipulations by those with all the money to drain even more money away from those who can least afford it. The American banking system would collapse if it wasn't for laundering illegal drug money. And illegal drug prices would shoot down to practically nothing if they were not "illegal". There would be no drug wars. Take the illegality of drugs away and you take the profit out of it.

At least, after WW2 and the Korean War...the wealthy were heavily taxed..as they should have been..(it was their wars, after all, even though they propagandized us into believing they were defending democracy..or some other BS). And before you unwittingly defend the indefensible war mongers...look into the real causes of these wars...what led up to them...what arrogant and greedy leaders did in support of their arrogant and greedy ruling elite.

I'd say the majority of people in the US are really liberals to the largest extent but are conservative in a "wedge issue" extent. The "wedge issues" tend to divide and conquer and are played out very well by the conservatives as they own the major news media and can pretty much control the propaganda.

"Remember what the dormouse said
Feed your head, feed your head "
lyrics from Jefferson Airplane-White Rabbit
--learn

Excellent point regarding language.
Ever read Howard Zinn's "You Can't Be Nutural On A Moving Train"? Ever read any of Zinn's work? I really like the forward he wrote for his book "The People's History of The United States". There he addresses the misunderstandings between facts and perspectives.

It makes sense that, in this world of computer technology, that every piece of information that goes to any business or government office is scanned for keywords to get the general drift of what is being communicated and then summary reports are accessed by lowly workers in business or government who further filter them into simple data (a percentage, perhaps) that higher ups use to make decisions.

We all have received form letters or emails from both businesses and government. Your initial letter or email did nothing more that activate another computer program to printout canned responses...and the computer enters your name to make it seem personal. But it is not.

Actually, Echelon works similarly...they collect and store billions of pieces of data communications every day..phones, email, what programs you're watching on Dish or DirectTV (if you have cable...or if you actually hook up your Dish Network* phone lines used, ostensibly, to update, but covertly... to spy)...whatever! And, they use computer dictionaries to flag certain words...then if a positive flag happens, the whole document or conversation is put before an analyst for analysis. And they probably have quite a few analysts who speak a variety of languages. The words for the dictionary computer can be decided on for that time period and fed into the computer. Analysts can learn a lot about how our government REALLY works...like Sibil Edmonds!

I knew this way back in the 70s when I worked at a government office dealing with social security. I worked on the archival equipment that photographed letters that people sent in to their congressmen/women..or the President...and turned them into micro-strips that were put into readers located all through-out those buildings..the micro-photos on those strips could be accessed by id number controlled by a central computer...that I also maintained. And hard copies could be retrieved from the strips stored on any of the strip readers as well as viewed on a screen. I was able to read many of those documents and realized what was going on. The intended recipients had aides, or workers, who would scan the letters and any mention of "social security" would tell the worker to send the letters off to social security to be photographed, micro-stripped, and assigned the id number. I told my dad who was a very well educated man who dealt with the government a lot and who had written many times to various government officials how this operated and he was somewhat taken aback at this. He, like so many other people, thought their letters or email would actually be read by the recipient...or at least that the recipient would actually get the message somehow.

I suspect that with the current technology, if you write a letter to your Congressman/woman, or the President, that computers will sort, and record addresses from the envelopes (and since some people's handwriting is practically impossible for computer scanners to read they may have an operator assisted correction equipment..which they also had been using way back in the 70s in the Pentagon..optical character recognition system -OCR), automatically sort them, open them, scan for key words to get the general drift (and you spent so much time and effort in trying to spell correctly and word your document so that "they" will think you are intelligent and educated), and tally up into categories.

With email, this is even easier.

Then, computers will send you a form letter telling you how much they appreciate your participation in good government, put your name on the letter and automatically mail them to you. You have not, in any real sense, influenced anyone..you have just wasted a lot of time and a stamp if you mailed a letter.

The end result is that, perhaps the President, or Congressmen/women will glance at their computer screen and see a percentage of people who agree or disagree with an issue and then the President or Congressman/woman will utter some expletive and include the word "idiots!" and continue fund raising from rich capitalists who are the real influence in this so-called "democracy". They are the real influence because the system is corrupt to the extent that most politicians believe that only money matters. The people... they can lie to and use blustery rhetoric, and campaigners, to convince the people that their only alternative is to vote for the least evil candidate.

*You don't actually have to connect your phone lines to the DishTV receiver...unless you want to update the software on your receiver. Also, occasionally, Dish will send out a "bullet" to break the reception in case you have a pirated id card stuck in your receiver. In that case you need to connect to the phone line to recover. I don't know if information about your viewing habits are stored in memory..in which case that would defeat the paranoid attempt at preventing Dish to see what you are watching. It stands to reason, however, if you are constantly connected to the phone line that they would be able to monitor, real-time, what you are watching. As your Dish receiver and antenna do not transmit, that I know of, just receives information, a connected phone-line would make it easy to spy on your viewing habits.

Ken I do not disagree that our government has their own agenda set forth by the Rothchilds, and a few other corrupt capitalist families that "run the show" and bet on both sides of the battle field.
As well I agree with you that most Americans know more about the Kardashians (sp?) than they do about Pvt. Manning and Assange. However I salute Pvt. manning and find what he did to be heroic.
I come from a career military family on both sides and when I graduated high school I followed suit. I was in the Army for 8 years...Eventually, I woke up and Declared myself as a Conscientious Objector in 99 and did not reinlist. To me what Pvt Manning did was to actually serve his country.
When we take that oath...it is about protecting the United Staesand its people from tyranny. However our government IS the very tyranny we are suppose to destroy.
I still to this day stand by and support our soldiers, however I could not continue to be a pawn for the war machine. `Nother soldier...`Nother sucker...Not me! I refused to be apart of a plot to destroy those that are of no threat to our wellbeing. As well I refused to be a part of a system that endangers and dismantles the saftey and liberties of its own people with lies.

The military, itself, is an organization that has to follow orders otherwise it would cease to be useful as a military organization...but then so was the Wehrmacht but even worse was the SS who committed many atrocious war crimes. Some, after the war, were even selected for hanging...others were selected to work for the US Government...building rockets, and such.

I wonder what would happen to our Military and high officials if some superior entity invaded and took over our government? UN? Get outta town! China? They might stop shipping us iphones, laptops, and missile parts. And I suspect they would have ample ammunition to convict many American war criminals. They too could, perhaps, force American citizens to dig up the graves of and view the remains of America's victims all throughout Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere.

Now, you can't even see the body bags of our dead soldiers being brought back from the Middle East. Our major main stream news media won't even give a hint about the atrocities our military has committed over there...no scenes of bloody children crying out in agony...but you get a better view on alternative news channels like Al Jazeera, Link TV, FSTV, RT and Wikileaks. You have a better understanding of the realities by watching those channels than you do watching corporate and CIA/Pentagon-controlled news media.

The soldiers are not, themselves, necessarily criminal....they are doing what they are ordered to do by the war criminals who command them and that goes all the way up to the top..where the buck (blame) is supposed to stop. But, if you look closer you will realize that the President is not the top...he is largely just a puppet.

The soldiers have been just as beguiled into committing atrocities against civilians as the German soldiers were. There are some, of course, who were more eager than others to murder people. But, of course, in our moment of brazen hypocrisy, during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, we coined the phrase.."just following orders is no excuse". No politician or Joint Chiefs of Staff wants us to think about the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials.

Maybe one possible reason why it took over a decade,despite the demonstrations, was that the demonstrations were not violent enough on the part of the demonstrators. Sure, a lot of people would have been killed (and a couple were murdered by the National Guard at the DNC in Kent State); but, then perhaps a lot of people would have been saved...especially many of the 56,000 combat troops that died and the over a million Vietnamese that were murdered by our military. But then, back then, demonstrations were mostly about anti-Vietnam war. We didn't suffer the kinds of horrible economic conditions back then as has happened in the last 30 years. People were still working and making a decent living with no propaganda of "fiscal cliffs"..no massive bailouts to the Wall Street scamsters and banksters and no threats to our social programs back then. People were getting health care insurance as part of compensation from their employers...and their jobs were not being shipped overseas. They were all mostly making a decent wage for their labor. The masses were not in a overall feeling of despair back then as now.

Nixon was really scared, as it was, that the demonstrators would grow in numbers and become very violent. This was proven in statements he made that are now part of archived history. Yes, he was worried about being indicted for crimes but he was even more worried that the demonstrators would burst into the White House and lynch the son-of-a-stitch in his Oval Office.

No one wants to see violence. And they pick up on that which lets them continue their plunder; but, that seems to be the only language that many people in power seem to understand. And unless there is the possibility of that happening...the politicians will continue to use rhetoric, lies, and deceit to keep the people in line.

FDR would never have had the teeth to convince other politicians, and their wealthy puppet masters, to make reforms if it hadn't been for a long stretch of violence and fear that it could get a lot worse...reminiscing the French Revolution, perhaps.

There could be a shift, however, as evidenced by the several political wins that, on the basis of overwhelming political contributions of the opposition, the opposition lost. We need to keep this up...and if the world is still here in 2014* and if Americans overwhelmingly boot out the right wing culprits we may have a chance of avoiding violence. I certainly hope so.

I also praise and support Bradley Manning and Julian Assange for exposing the war crimes that evil men did in our name. What Bradley Manning did was honor the Nuremberg War Crimes Trial mandate that "just following orders is no excuse". Bradley Manning is a hero!

*The world is supposed to end (yet again) on Dec 21, 2012 according to the crazies who believe in the end of the Mayan Calender foreboding the world's destruction on that date. Throw in the planet Niburu, a few hark the herald angles sing, a hocus pocus, and a black cat's meow at the stroke of midnight! Damn, start the count down d-12 days and counting.....who's gonna have an end of the world party on Dec 21, 2012? Or should that be on the eve of Dec. 20, 2012?

Danke Schoen, Muchas Gracias, and Shukran!

Palindromedary says it well, reminding us how our similarities outweigh our differences and that we need to stop bickering with each other so we can direct our focus on the real enemy. Because whatever our conflicts, it doesn't sound like there's much disagreement among us over who that real enemy is.

Were there ever a time for us all to set our differences aside and come together, it is now. Remember comrades, nothing scares these toadies more than the prospect of us "little" people united against them. As Palindromedary points out, they are nothing without us and it is THEY who are dependent on US.

You got that right sister...What makes us powerful is our ability to unite and stand together as comrades in solidarity, regardless of race, religion, sexual oriantation, financial status, etc...I have a saying; 99%+1%=100% accountable. Those who do not accept this tend to be the problem. Sure there will be differences of opinion, that's life. What seems to confuse many people (Left or Right) about the Occupy Movement - which is a bubbleing coldren of all walks of life - is that they are not a Left or Right philosophical movement.
Some of my wealthier friends, comprised of Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, side with the movement when it comes to enforcing regulations on Wall St, prosecuting those that commited fraud, abolishing the bush tax cuts, and increasing wages to a "liveable" level; which I am happy to say two friends that own successful small businesses have starting wages of $16.00 per hour; also quarterly production bonuses (for all employees), medical benefits, and 15 days paid vacation.
Some of these friends even support a Universal Healthcare system, and improving government grants for education. Then again these friends don't wall themselves off from Main st...You wanna know why???Because they haven't forgotten where they came from, and that there are many people who are to be recognized and compansated for building their businesses success.
They also understand that not everyone wants to go to a University. We need skilled trade workers and people to drive trucks, pilot ships and trains to move goods, work in manufacturing, If everybody goes to Harvard business school who is going to build a house, or pick up the garbage? These are honest and important jobs; just as those that require fancy and often overrated degrees.

I have absolutly no problem what-so-ever with someone making a ton of money, owning two Benzes, a Bently, a yacht, and a jet. Just remember who keeps the wheel rolling while you are streached out sunning yourself token' a Monte Cristo on your tropical island.
And as you pointed out; No one person "earns" $30k and hour...It takes the whole hive to make honey and keep the queen alive! Best to keep your workers happy and healthy by compansating them an honest livable wage for their blood, sweat, and tears. ciao

You all have good talking points and I am impressed by how disagreement has spurred others on to make comments concerning their experience and views on our government. But with all respect I still contend the government fears us about as much as a hungry wolf fears the sheep he is about to have for a meal. The number of Americans killed in the Vietnam War was 58,000 and the North lost 1.1 million military personnel and with an estimation of between .5 to 2 million civilians killed. I just checked the figures via Explorer to make sure. If personnel decide for themselves which laws they will obey and which laws they will not, all discipline breaks down and you no longer have a military that is functional. A soldier can disobey a direct order to do something illegal and the military courts will determine the legitimacy of such an act. (i.e. shooting a civilian during war) Manning just simply took it upon himself to break his oath to the military and therefore should be punished at some level or discipline can break down and precedence for such an act could have far reaching negative consequences to the military as a whole.

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. What type of disapline do feel he should receive?
If Pvt. Manning should be punished, don't you agree that the classified information Pvt. Manning leaked should lead to a trial of war crimes commited by the Bush Adminastration and Obama Adminastration. It is one thing to give information to aid the enemy...Pvt. Manning did not do that; nor did wikileaks for that matter.

Adventure through the rabbit hole, with smiles cheerful thoughts in a time past that was not always fun. Here am I to offer my opinion of language in today’s electronic mainstream journalism can be defined as warped timed deception and completely biased beyond what is good for America. Those within this blog see it and like me want to rid of it.

The Indian stuff strikes a accord that resonates found memories, personal or other. Also, recall from a book by Ruth Beebe Hill, “Hanta Yo”. Very interesting about the Plains Indian during the 1800’s sometime just before Lincoln signed the land act to preserve the union and created the Union Pacific Railroad. There is a whole lot of history there. A Republican railroad?

For me words and feelings are unusual with this message. As a Vietnam veteran finding out the Navajo language was used during WWII helping to defeat the Nazi tyranny. Knowing war, now plus understanding giving total respect for an Indian nation language that baffled the Nazi. One of my favorite Navajo Chants is “Yeha-Noha (Wishes of Happiness & Prosperity)”

If you have chances try to find it. It is video combination song with what sounds like an old man done in a popular style. In my weirdness sometimes study the mathematics of greats like Laplace, Fourier, and Gauss while listing to Yeha Noha, weird eh?

For me, summing up Thom’s theme in the message; Republicans are giving in Michigan what is simply constitutionally antithetical.

Sure the first amendment has free speech so the door is open for debate to support or oppose the constitution but when one is elected and taking or making oath to both the States constitution and the national constitution but failing to support the national constitution the media is a total failure in calling these political persons out that make and take both sides.

What’s worse the Democratic Party lets it happen. For years, besides, legions of academic individuals and institutions play theater with journalism royalties in appearance interviews and book selling all the while Middle America is in a depression of more than just spirit. Yes, since those in the know, like BDO, know America is in a depression not a recession. America is on the cliff going to fall to economic hell. Quite an extraordinary display of language in fear mongering day after day while cable can also broadcast miracle on 34 th street to determine if Santa Claus is insane or exists. Likely leading to the proposition that Jesus does not exist too. Who knows maybe the movie was funded by Richard Murdock and the Wahhabi decades ago. LOL.

The most antithetical Constitutional position is secession. But the real kicker is all those states that want to part from the union, from what I understand do not participate in a fair tax to the commonwealth of the system. In many discussions it is acknowledged Red states have a history of being the taker of taxes rather than the makers of taxes.

This all begs the question. When will these states go so America can finally have another party that is competitive? They will certainly just diminish. One thing is for sure, in one signature, Lincoln created a whole lot of jobs.

Soo oh oh the government without question can create jobs.

You who, Republicans did you get that. Laughter giggle yowee. Like the Geico pig, Maxwell shouts in those commercials I keep switching off. Is there a way to rid of that lizard???

Three Cheers for the moral of whistle blowers and truth seekers!!!
It use to be the truth would set you free...as long as you don't have anything important to say.

Sometimes the truth is hard to accept, but for a soldier their is nothing worse than discovering the very government you work for lies and cheats the American People and tortures and murders innocent men women and children. If you have to lie and cheat and torture inorder to "wage war" - as you put it - than maybe it isn't the other guy that's the problem to begin with.
There is no doubt in my mind that your generation is still licking its wounds from the lies and corruption of the U.S. government.
Condeming Pvt. Manning for exposing our Governments corrupt ties, and dispicable actions very ugly!!!As is blamming Fonda for speaking out against the Vietnam war and killing innocent people.
My uncle was a combat soldier in Vietnam and received a dishonarable discharge and one year in prison for beating an Officer that was raping a 14 year old Vietnamese girl after slitting her mothers throat.
As soldiers we both know that war is hell, it can make you do crazy things that we never in 10 life times would ever dream of doing. The military labled my Uncle as dishonerable for his actions, yet the rapist murderer officer was never arrested and charged for the crime he commited. Its a f*cked up world!!! That's the kind of bullsh*t that destroys morale!
Yes Pvt Manning leak classified information, but he did it for ALL THE RIGHT REASONS...To protect and serve the very country he loves and cares about.