We are governed by those who refuse to represent us.

Yesterday, the majority of Senators voted to pass a background check bill, meant to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. But that majority wasn't enough to reach the 60 vote threshold needed to turn that bill into law. The final vote was 54 to 46. Four Republicans voted to support the background check measure, and four Democrats voted against it.

Yesterday, 46 members of the upper chamber said doing absolutely nothing is an adequate response to the Newtown massacre, and the thousands of gun deaths that have taken place since. Forty-six Senators voted against a measure that the vast majority of Americans support.

President Obama spoke from the Rose Garden shortly after the vote, and directly addressed those who prevented the measure from passing. He said, “I've heard some say that blocking this step would be a victory. And my question is, a victory for who? A victory for what?... It begs the question, who are we here to represent?” It's certainly clear that there are 46 senators who choose not to represent the will of the people, and preferred to guarantee a victory for the gun lobby instead.

As President Obama said yesterday, “this isn't over.” As a nation, we will not accept that doing nothing is the appropriate response to a tragedy. We are better than that. Poll after Poll show that over 90 percent of our nation support background checks, and the majority of Americans support stronger gun control laws in general.

We cannot allow this country to be governed by those who refuse to represent us. Come next election, we must remind our elected leaders that they work for us. And if they refuse to carry out the will of the people, than the people will find leaders that will.

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bobpcw's picture
bobpcw 9 years 32 weeks ago
#1

I remember the daily casualty list from the Vietnam war that was shown on the nightly news channels. Wouldn't it be something if the nightly news did the same thing with domestic gun deaths...

jpohl 9 years 32 weeks ago
#2

The 2014 Elections are going to be impacted one way or another due to Obamacare. It is slightly unpopular now but depending on how the implementation is handled, it may become wildly unpopular.

The article http://obamacareaca.com/obamacare/health-care-keeping-up-with-the-joness/ discusses what to look for in the next several months and how it will affect the election of 2014...and maybe beyond

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rhorne 9 years 32 weeks ago
#3

We aren't targeting the problem of the violence. We could ban all guns all kinds, and then people would be stabbing each other.

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karlmarx1947 9 years 32 weeks ago
#4

Large events are often overdetermined. Hitler and his supporter are primarily responsible for the Death of the Millions during WWII. Secondary responsibility lies in the hands of people like Neville Chamberlain, the governments of Europe who never stopped the militarization of the Sudetendland when the Nazi's were defeated. Chamberlain's appeasement policy is with hindsight appropriately condemmed

One has to recognize that the Democratic Party has to bear a good deal of the responsibility of the results of the Filibuster, moreover we don't even exhaust the Filibuster by forcing people to speak. This is a modern Filibuster and is uncalled for. As Wikipedia points out the majority party could block the Fulibuster. Lyndon Johnson the majority leader had one, the civil rights bill and refused to pass on legislation to the senate until the Filibuster was over. The result: Strom Thurmond talking for a day.

The cost of the Filibuster is all the adminstrations Judicial Appointments as well as the Gun law in the Senate. Abolishing Filibuster's is Reid's perogative at the beginning of each session. We still have the Filibuster because Democrats as well as Republicans want it there, preferring to stick the blame on the majority party Its very disengenuous to way they don't bear responsibility. While the gun law may have not gotten out of committee in the House, the shame would be there and House members probably would be defeated en masse for not upholding gun legilsation. House representatives are more likely having short terms to feel public wrath than the Senate.

With regard to failure. Citibanks has 930 billion deposits, Bank of America 1.1 trillion dollars, JPM Chase 1.1 trillion dollars, Wells Fargo 945 billion dollars. The 2 of the Big Six Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs are largely investment bank and don't have large depositor bases to my knowledge. The total assets of the FDIC is 75 billion dollars. They would need 5 times their total asset base to bail out 1/2 the total Deposits of the Large banks. This is an impossible task unless they could find another large solvent bank to take them over with assets as well as liabilities. I realize the Federal Reserve, the monetary authority, and the Treasury have the power to cover the depositors, the treasuring minting a trillian dollar coin and the Fed by a low cost loan. Because of the first Great Depression small Depositors will be made whole. However, as things stand the Taxpayer will possbly be on the hook. I have a real question that if the Fed can bail out Banks with trillions of low cost loans why don't they end poverty? Where is the justice? The issue is then a little more about prudent business practises. Banks too big to fail are too big are too big for the FDIC to insure. The public should not shoulder the risky behavior of the large banks, like they are doing now. They should remain with unsecured deposits and a warning posting to the effect their deposits are uninsured. Likewise if you or I engage in risky behavior or drive drunk our auto insurance charges go up. Why aren't JPM Chases's premiums through the roof. I have to pay more for my life insurance as I approach old age, surely any insurance company in the free market charges premiums for risky or reckless behavior.

With things as complex of violence in the U.S. at 5 times the rate of England and Ireleand after a drop, or bank reckless investment their are always secondary as well as primary responsibility. It is poor policy, in one case the prevalence of the Filibuster, in the other the lack of ability or willingness of the FDIC to act like a prudent insurer which results in these problems as well as say Glass Steagel repeal which surely was unfortunate. Neglecting secondary enabling responsibility is very unfortunate if we want to understand modern risk.

Such questions are independent of whether or not the public will be made whole or whether or not Reid's move was shrewd politics as you suggest. If you like the dysfunction in the Senate in general you should be all Fall the Filibuster, if not against it. If you like the Treasury and the Public on the hook for Depositors then you should be all for the current system. This is what I was trying to say on the air but didn't have the time.

NYTWEED 9 years 32 weeks ago
#5

Before everyone goes boo hoo hoo over the defeat of the gun bill yesterday and once again demonizes the NRA and the folks they like to call gun nuts they should find a mirror and take a good hard look and ask themselves what did I contribute to its defeat. First I am a gun owner (although I do not own any semi auto weapons) and an NRA member and a democrat and I supported improved background checks and magazine limitations. But this legislation was unhelpful. The basic problem is the gun control lobby whose actions are too clever by half. As soon as the gun control lobby found an issue with broad public support they started to embellish it with provisions which were utterly unacceptable such as federal gun registration. The version of the bill submitted by Charles Schumer stripped the legal prohibition against gun registrys. Chuck, do you think we are that stupid? The authors of the bill tried to work around this and fix the language. But it was too little too late. The gun control lobby shot itself in the foot. There is a substantial faction of the gun control lobby whose battle cry is "this will only be the beginning". We have been warned and all the pious talk of respecting the 2nd amendment seems empty rhetoric. New York's governor in a moment of candor advocated gun confiscation. Let there be no mistaking what was going on here. The tragedy of Sandy Hook was transformed into a marketing vehicle for the gun control lobby. Why let a tragedy like sandy hook go to waste? And let there be no mistake about it Andy Cuomo did more to mobilize feeling against gun control than all the slick advertising the NRA could buy. Most counties above the lower Hudson valley are in open revolt against the NYSafe law. It did not take much persuasion to get all those senators to vote against gun control. All the gun control lobby could do throughout this debate is to try to demonize the NRA. Hello is anyone listening? Why would you want to demonize 5 million NRA members? Great piece of strategy. Both improved background checks and magazine limits deserved to pass even if some of my fellow NRA members don't think so. But they did not deserve to pass at the price of evntually losing my right to "keep and bear arms" . And that is exactly what a large segment of the gun control lobby was after. Rebranding their efforts “common sense” just ran up a warning flag. No mistake about it. When the gun control lobby learns to respect the life style and traditions of gun owners then their legislation will get a favorable response. Oh, and one more thing while we are speaking of Newtown, Connecticut. Twenty eight miles away in Cheshire, Connecticut there is a Dr. William Petit who once had a wife and two children. But they were murdered in a way no less horrible than the children in Newtown. Perhaps if they had the means to defend themselves they might be alive today. It's not a pretty world and you cannot rely on the police to ride up like the cavalry of the old west and save the day. This is something you should think about while the gun control zealots are sipping their wine, smacking their lips and making invideous comments about gun owners and their organizations. I could go on at considerable length but I think you get my drift. It’s time for the liberal media and their fellow travelers to take a good hard look at themselves.

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jeandurel 9 years 32 weeks ago
#6

I know that job creation is often identified as the main issue facing our country right now. And I agree that it is a very important issue, as is the increasing violence in this country. While jobs are being created and while violence in the U.S. being dealt with, the same kind of energy also needs to be put into overturning the Supreme Court decision on Citizens United. Corporations have bought and paid for many of the people we elect to represent us. Corporations are not people and money is not speech. Until limits are put on the spending by corporations to influence votes and elections, we can continue to expect similar types of votes as what we saw yesterday with regard to the Senate bill on background checks. Too many of those elected to represent us are beholden to corporations.

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dowdotica 9 years 32 weeks ago
#7

...walter kronkite...absolutely! but what do we get? info tainment....

ScottFromOz 9 years 32 weeks ago
#8

Ok, I get this: Our elected "representatives" no longer represent the wishes of the country. Now they only represent the interests of their big donors and their own re-election prospects.

This looks distressingly familiar. Maybe it's time to actually exercise our 2nd amendment rights and take up arms and march on congress And rescue our democracy. After all, isn't that what the 2nd is all about: Protecting ourselves from rogue government?

Seriously though, there is a better way. Publicly funded election campaigns would return control of the government to the people from the clutches of the oligarchs. It is necessary, but it won't be easy. The oligarchs who now dictate to government will fight like cornered cats to retain control. We now have the "military industrial complex" in control just as Eisenhower warned us. We have sat by passively while the wealthy colluded with politicians to bring this about.

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dowdotica 9 years 32 weeks ago
#9

...true but...an extended round clip with effective 2 inch grouping at 10 yds. can easily waste 30 people in a good marksmens hands. A shank on the other hand? At least i have a fighting chance and i'll be the only one cut. a nice classic saber? or some spears...

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dowdotica 9 years 32 weeks ago
#10

HELL-O! For all the months i've been reading on this i stiil don't see anyone mentioning that all too clear line in the 2nd amendment regarding, "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state". now I know all y'all know an opinion is like, well you know, we all have one. think about the age of the writ. the very essence of the antiquated statement is in respects to war. the regs need to be changes as figuratively none of us are really free if going to the mall, or to church, or the grocery store, or sending the kids to school is hampered by a certain level of paranoia many if not all now have all because guns are in fact not "well regulated". Yet for all the blathering i hear and read there has not been one good article i have found making the simple point. FOr all the blogs i've trolled and read it astounds me that even with 90% of the general public in favor that there is so much violence even in the words of those opposed to better "regulation". I've had this argument with a few folks i know that own guns and it's funny how tough they all are as long as they are at home safe with thier units but i often have to wonder how terror filled they would become if, hypothetically, they were just sitting in the mall some afternoon waiting for a picture show to start and out of nowhere some lunatic that was able to buy a gun off the internet just strolls up to theM and puts a cap or two in them. pretty scary don't you think? well anyway a few weeks back 2 teenagers were sitting in the mall doing just that, and some lunatic walked up to them and just for the hell of it shanked them! ran off and as far as i know is still at large. think about that, could've been some lunatic with a gun and 30 round clip. just sayin'. WASHINGTON IS JUST A BUNCH OF CORPORATE PIGS FEEDING AT THE TROUGH...

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dowdotica 9 years 32 weeks ago
#11

...well regulated is doing my first rock show in some 20 years at the queen marry in long beach CA. a monster of a show, 7 stages and every kind of head banging death metaler you could ever meet. only 2 ways in and both = dam near strip search. But you know what? i felt safer for it. Sure maybe some loser could slip something in but at least that weekend no one charged the stage and shot a great guitarist and killed a few others...America, what an odd lot we have become!

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forestandtree 9 years 32 weeks ago
#12

I'm angry with Harry Reid all over again because he blew it when he didn't get rid of that Filibuster when he had the chance. If he had fought for the change of rule on the Filibuster, we would have had background checks with a simple majority. I'm calling all the senators who voted down background checks, including H. Reid, to tell them they better vote for reasonable gun safety laws the next time they have a chance or risk losing their next election, because progressive Democrats are going to make sure they lose. No appealing to their "better nature" because these are people who care only about money (from delayed rewards from the gun lobby after they are out of office) and/or power (they want the prestiege and power of the Senate and have forgotten why they are there.

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Noider 9 years 32 weeks ago
#13

I'm looking for a list of who voted what way as detialed as possiable.

Outback 9 years 32 weeks ago
#14

NYTWEED - I couldn't agree more. Everything you said was exactly right on!

As for our illustrious president's "cluck clucking" and "tut tutting", here's a copy of what I wrote to him today - it pretty much sums up my feelings about these sanctimonious a**holes:

President Obama: After the failed Senate vote on stricter gun laws on Wednesday you went public with the statement “The American people are trying to figure out how can something have 90 percent support and yet not happen?” You appeared angry.

Let me turn that around by stating that the American people are trying to figure out how issues as wide ranging as the ongoing foreign wars, badly eroded civil liberties and most recently your "chained-CPI" calculation initiative for the Social Security COLA are being pursued by your administration despite broad public condemnation. And these are issues that you, personally, have huge leverage over.

Please don't feign outraged indignation over the Senate's rejection of your pet piece of legislation. It seems ingenuous while you continue to rain death by drone (oh, I'm sorry, "collateral damage") on innocent civilians in other countries and ignore the strong opinions of the American Public on the other issues mentioned. You are no longer convincing to many of your former supporters.

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chuckle8 9 years 32 weeks ago
#15

I think there are a lot of solutions to all the problems you have stated. The solution I like is the tax structure (income tax, sales tax, tariffs, property taxes, pensions cannot be taken during bankruptcy etc.) of 1950's. I think the key roadblock to overcome is the idea that money is speech.

Do you not think the regional banks, if given the lack of capital requirements as the big banks (plus all the other things the big banks have), could take over the assets of the big banks?

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MMmmNACHOS 9 years 32 weeks ago
#16

....or blowing each other up!

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chuckle8 9 years 32 weeks ago
#17

What percentage is that broad public condemnation? I assume all conservatives who think balancing the budget is a good thing, like the chained CPI. I am sure the percentage is nothing like 90%.

Why do think background checks is his pet piece of legislation?

I think he winding down our foreign wars as fast as he can, facing the repug oppostion. What kind of control do you think the executive branch has (especially with a constitutional lawyer at the helm)?

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DAnneMarc 9 years 32 weeks ago
#18

MMmmNACHOS wrote yesterday ~ "DANNEMARC...What if instead of stacking them (3 sold out Raiders games), we just put them side by side. I think it would be easier to do structurally!?!? ;)"

This is concerning the structure necessary to house all 172,907 Iraqi casualties of the Illegal Iraq war. I suggested 3 Oakland Coliseums with sold out Raider fans stacked one on top of the other. That's about 53,200 Iraqi victims seated per Coliseum.

Certainly MMmmNACHOS, it would be easier to physically construct such a model side by side; but, I am interested in constructing a Spiritual model. Such a Spiritual model must be constructed one on top of the other with the playing field removed from all but the bottom Coliseum. On the bottom Coliseum in the middle of the 50 yard line would be a circle with a mike and mike stand.

In a perfect after life with perfect justice, Every single American who ever supported or defended the Iraq war after death would have to stand in the circle on the lower level. He would have a 360 degree view of 9 tiers of victims of the war towering over his head. He would be able to look every victim in the eye as he turned in the circle. The empty space next to the seats would be filled and 22,907 additional victims who would be lining the corridors and standing between the rows and chairs.

Before these Americans would be allowed to enter Heaven, The Kingdom of God, Paradise, or whatever you consider a pleasant afterlife they would have to use the microphone in front of them to successfully do one of two things. They can explain to all the victims of the war why it was right and just to kill them in exchange for their sense of safety and security in such a way that the vast multitude of victims would all agree. Or, they would have to apologize to the multitude in a degree of sincerity whereas the multitude--all 172,907 victims--would all accept and forgive. Many Americans may spend a considerable amount of time in this circle of trial.

Far be it for I to second guess the judgment process of the Master of the Universe. However, were he to ask my opinion, this would be my suggestion.

Thank you MMmmNACHOS for your question!

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2950-10K 9 years 32 weeks ago
#19

"We are governed by those who refuse to represent us," and if I might add, overwhelmingly it's the Republicans who refuse this representation. In fact most of the time they seem more than obliged to purposefully misrepresent us, and of course we all know why.

Glaring examples of this misrepresentation include not only the recently failed background checks legislation, we also have seen the Republicans defeat legislation that would have ended tax breaks for companies moving jobs overseas. That alone misrepresented at least 99% of us. Talk about being against the will of the people, how about the Ryan budget plan? The vast majority of Republicans have voted yes to this more than once! They get away with all of this misrepresentation, thanks in part to a corp. media that refuses to do its job as an adversarial component necessary for a functional democracy.

John Locke, one of the great enlightenment thinkers, whom I can proudly say my wife is related to, claimed that good government was a human agreement, among men, and those selected to represent us get their authority from we the people. We also have a right to resist if their representation violates that agreement. In our case, the resistance hopefully will manifest itself in the 2014 midterm elections.

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#20
Quote Hartmann:
As President Obama said yesterday, “this isn't over.” As a nation, we will not accept that doing nothing is the appropriate response to a tragedy. We are better than that.

What a hypocrite Obama is...saying:

"we will not accept that doing nothing is the appropriate response to a tragedy. We are better than that."

Are we, Mr. President? Are you? When you campaigned for the Presidency in 2008 you had us all convinced that you were going to really make a difference...that you were going to make "change we can believe in" and since then you have done nothing that we can believe in!

"We will not accept that doing nothing is the appropriate response to a tragedy"

Really? So, what have you done about the criminal Bush regime who lied us into a war in Iraq...and if Americans wake up and take off their blinders to just what really happened on 911...they would (but I doubt it) demand that you, Mr President, stop being an abettor to a massively treasonous offense against the United States of America and against it's people. Mr. President, you are so full of sh1t no one wants to listen to you anymore. Your words mean absolutely nothing...coward!!!

Many, many more people died on 911 than at the Boston Marathon or at any of those so-called massacres in our schools or in a theater. And you want to take away our guns yet you keep letting the real mass murderers go without a peep. What we really need to do is to take away all the guns from the damn military and put some treasonous powerful criminals, who did nothing but profit from our illegal wars, and their puppet politicians in jail..or do to them what our hypocrites did to Saddam Husein.

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#21

And what just happened at the Boston Marathon just illustrates that very well. You don't need guns to cause mega-deaths. And unless you manage to make just about everything that could be made into a bomb...like gasoline and fertilizer...illegal and regulated so tightly it would drive up the prices of just about everything...you will still have a problem with people killing other people.

And there is still the examples of men, in China, breaking into classrooms of school children and murdering them with knives. What are you going to do ban knives?

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#22

"Banks too big to fail are too big for the FDIC to insure."

That's for sure...it really means that we really aren't insured. I'm sure the people of Cyprus thought they were insured too. I just hope they don't start Cyprus-izing in the US.

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#23

Bravo! My sentiments exactly!

Outback 9 years 32 weeks ago
#24

Chuckle8:
From http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/a-decade-on-most-are-critic... :

"Ten years after U.S. airstrikes on Baghdad punctuated the start of the Iraq war, nearly six in 10 Americans say the war was not worth fighting – a judgment shared by majorities steadily since initial success gave way to years of continued conflict.

Nearly as many in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll say the same about the war in Afghanistan. And while criticisms of both wars are down from their peaks, the intensity of sentiment remains high, with strong critics far outweighing strong supporters."

From http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/28/senate-votes-to-extend-warrantless...

"As a Senator, Barack Obama vowed he would end warrantless wiretaps and initially opposed the FISA law based on the addition of telecom immunity, but ultimately voted for it with immunity intact just six months before winning the 2008 presidential election. Incidentally, the plan was opposed then by six in 10 Americans, according to a poll by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)."

From http://boldprogressives.org/poll-clear-majority-of-americans-oppose-chai...

The Washington Post/ABC News poll finds that 51 percent of Americans oppose chained CPI and only 37 percent support it. Parsing out the results further, the Washington Post notes that the major group supporting the change is American who earn six-figures."

So do you want to quibble about what constitutes a majority?

You said: "I assume all conservatives who think balancing the budget is a good thing, like the chained CPI."
I have absolutely no idea what you meant by that.

"You said: "Why do think background checks is his pet piece of legislation?"
It's his favorite piece of legislation du jour. He has a new one each week.

And you said: "I think he winding down our foreign wars as fast as he can, facing the repug oppostion. What kind of control do you think the executive branch has (especially with a constitutional lawyer at the helm)?"

WHAT??? He's had 4+ years to wind the wars down. Do you consider our current level of warfare a "winding down"? I include in this the continual saber rattling at Iran and North Korea. We are just BRISTLING for the next fight!

Constitutional lawyer? Anybody that can suspend habeas corpus in the way he has, declare himself absolute "decider" on who gets a drone, is one sick "constitutional lawyer".

Outback 9 years 32 weeks ago
#25

Chuckles: Oh by the way. on your point regarding how much control Obama has over winding down the wars? Let's not forget that he is the "Commander in Chief". As such, he can do it unilaterally.

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#26

Oh, a rock show? What kind of rocks do you collect?
Just funin' wich u, man! Wow, performing at the Queen Mary..is she still alive? Ok, Ok, I'll stop now! But I sure do agree about Washington being a bunch of Pigs at the trough!

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#27

Right on, Outback! Give em hell! They deserve it! They are a bunch of hypocrites.

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#28

I'm rather partial to the one that promises 72 virgins providing I get all the Viagra I need. But, I'm afraid I just don't have the willingness to make the kind of earthly sacrifices that are required. ;-}

Outback 9 years 32 weeks ago
#29

PD: 72 nubile young knockout virgins (I added some of that) and a container ship full of Viagra? Earthly sacrifices? Where are your priorities, man?

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#30

I certainly don't believe that there is any real "winding down" of our foreign wars. We are just itching for others. It's very apparent. I just wonder if we will be attacking the new Maduro Presidency in Venezuela. Will the Joint Chiefs of Staff dust off their Operation Northwoods and PNAC plans and do another false flag operation to get people riled up over Venezuela? Maybe those BM bombers suspects are going to turn out to be from Venezuela?

Which reminds me about how ridiculous the main stream media is, or shall I say how ridiculous our authorities are? Today, they were coming off like the bad old internet was causing problems for the authorities because thousands of internetistas were posting photos of the people at the site of the BM bombing just before the bombing...and pointing fingers at everyone carrying back packs as possible suspects.

The authorities just can't seem to make up their mind about citizen participation in being vigilant and observant. They used to tell us to do just that and report anything and everything to the authorities. And like DAnnemarc said..when he reported some questionable things going on at a bank to the Homeland Security they just gave him the brush off. What the hell can you do when the damn FBI would ignored their agent's reports about suspected terrorists?

Maybe it scares them because someone might catch something that will contradict with the official conspiracy theory the authorities propagandize us with? Sometimes they say "Be observant and report all questionable or suspicious people!" And now they are telling us that we are a bunch of busybodies who should leave the investigations up to the "professionals".

They claim that some of the people at the BM site were wrongly accused of possibly being the bag men carrying the bombs...and their feelings were hurt because the head lights were beaming in their direction and their privacy was violated. Well, excusssssseeeee me! That was a public place and a very violent thing just happened drawing more of the public awareness to the scene. If people don't want to have their privacy violated then don't go to crowded public places. We ain't in Kansas, anymore, Dorothy! Baghdad market explosions have caught up with us. They do not forget! They do not forgive! Expect them! Stay out of crowded places!

Our authorities are already violating our privacy and you rag on internetistas for doing it? It's like that news report that DAnnemarc told us about yesterday...the quidnunc reporter interviewing at the factory in Fremont that manufactured that battery that set off the BM bomb acted like (and I paraphrase) "Gee, how do you feel for having made such a dastardly device that killed so many people?" "Now, aren't you ashamed of yourself?"

I think what it largely amounts to is that the internet is beating the socks off of main stream media. The main stream media....you know, the ones who are owned and used by wealthy elite to propagandize us...get us so afraid and confused that we give our assent in our government illegally attacking other countries. The ones that hypes up the criminal government's conspiracy theories but works to squelch any opposing view by thousands of professionals who shoot holes in the official conspiracy theory.

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#31

Outback: I know....I'm so ashamed! I'll repent and try real hard to bore myself with the idea of heavenly frigid angels, streets pave with gold (can't spend it anyway..certainly not on Viagra...take it away!...take it away!), and pearly gates. What? They're not pearly! They're steel? Damn, am I still on earth, where they lock you up for having impure thoughts? Out damn spot! Thane of Cawdor? Nevermore!

Oh, but I can hardly wait for the movie The Great Gatsby...Carey Mulligan is sooooooo cuuuutttte!
No! Stop it! Back in the box! Back in the box!

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MMmmNACHOS 9 years 32 weeks ago
#32

LIFE; The original sexually transmited disease! (bumpersticker).

It was a beautiful bright sunny day here in S.W.Fl. All the snowbirds (pesky tourist) are heading back north...Yeah I will soon be able to enjoy a few of my favorite resturants without having to wait for 2 hours to get a table.
Soon everyone will be able to drive the spead limit instead of aimlessly driving 15mph under on a 55mph main highway during rush hour. I seriously don't know how these old farts even make it down to florida every year. Most of them haven't a clue where they are, or how to get from point "A" to point "B" even though they have been coming here for 10-20 years. And who in their right mind continues to grants these blind and deaf geesers the "privledge" to drive!?!?ALL of them are on quite a cocktail of medications...I mean REALLY!?!? And another thing; THE LEFT HAND LANE IS FOR PASSING...GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!!!!

thank you for allowing me to vent on an issue that never gets addressed.

Cheers :)

Outback 9 years 32 weeks ago
#33

You're depraved, PD .... :-)

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#34

Thank you, Outback! I went to all the good schools to get me that way and it paid off!

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#35

MmNachos: Oh, so young! Your turn is coming. I forgive you because one time I felt the same way. It is an affliction of youth. Maybe they should just turn all us old geezers into Soylent Green. Bon appetite!

I like that bumper sticker! So true!

Outback 9 years 32 weeks ago
#36

Nachos, I just want to alert you to the fact that I'm an "old geezer" with a travel trailer and a serious interest in touring Florida. Not to break the stereotype, but I try never to move at under 75 MPH and normally travel with my loaded Remington 870 across my lap. So move aside, sonny ;-)

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Palindromedary 9 years 32 weeks ago
#37

Got to go now....skydiving lessons...Jeronimo!!!....

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DAnneMarc 9 years 32 weeks ago
#38

Outback! Palindromedary! Please, lighten up friends; remember we're all on the same side...

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DAnneMarc 9 years 32 weeks ago
#39

BTW ~ Um. That's Geronimo!

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Kend 9 years 32 weeks ago
#40

AZ and FLA would be in very big trouble without those old farts pouring millions into your state Nachos. But I do agree they are a little slow. I have a condo in Scottsdale AZ and I drives me crazy waiting for them to get exact change. You would get your table quicker if they didn't take 20 minutes to figure out how much to tip. hopefully I will get old enough to piss young people off to.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 32 weeks ago
#41

Oh well, I guess he's gone. I hope he pulled the right rip cord. What ya gonna do?

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DAnneMarc 9 years 32 weeks ago
#42

Should Mua be held responsible for the mess a fellow blogger leaves on the sidewalk? I think not! Only the future will tell. Good luck to us all!

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SHFabian 9 years 32 weeks ago
#43

It's always strange to see the mddle class finally start to catch on to things that the poor figured out years ago -- not only on this issue, but on a full range of issues.

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JOHN N DAUGHERTY JR 9 years 32 weeks ago
#44

We are hopefully exposing finally why Congress does not work for the American people. In this instance the fillubuster rule in the Senate that Majority Leader Reid could have revised but did not works well for both parties.

The Democratic Senators that needed to vote for background checks are able to vote yes but dule to the "F" Rule knew they could not obtain 60 votes The Republican Senators and the 4-5 Dem's meet what they felt would meet their constinguents approval even though those 46 votes kept the Senate from moving the Bill to the House.

Again, the winner is the Corporate Sponsors who manufacture these weapons and ammutation of mass destruction to our comunities.

What will it take for Congress to represent the citizens especially the urban dwellers, children, the poor and less advantage would be the publication of the mamed bodies of the children brutally murdered in December and every other caualty of gun violence in our Country. Maybe then we would shock and dispell the influence of corporate America.

I do not want to take your right to own a gun for hunting, recreation, collecting and or security. For those of you who do not think our government can be trusted to have a list of gun owners; you need to realize they have this information simply by obtaing that information from the Credit Cards we use daily that would show the purchase of weapons and or ammunition with just a right click of their mouse on a computer screen.

Sadly, the beat goes on.

JND

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Green_TZM 9 years 32 weeks ago
#45

tThe second Amendment must be repealed just like 3/5ths of a person, this was a mistake. We will have great difficulty regulating gus if people continue to view them as rights Rights are things you are born with, things that are inalienable. things that you can not separate yourself from.

Being Black, a woman, gay, having a mind that needs educating, having a body that needs healthcare, having the need to speak, to governoneself, to have your privacy. these are things you are born with, these are rights

No one is born with a gun. It is a tool. just as a pilot needs a license and a driver, a prop person on a movie set, a teacher, a doctor, all need licenses to operate their tools.

We should not be trying to protect ourselves from government with weapons our protections are our ability to continue to govern ourselves and vote, for which we need accurate media. the second amendment needs to be repealed "a well regulated militia, being necessary..."

A well regulated militia is no longer "being necessary". REPEAL THE SECOND AMENDENT,

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MMmmNACHOS 9 years 32 weeks ago
#46

First of all JOHN N DAUGHERTY JR. while "cash" still excists, use it...Ain't no trail.

Second to answer your question; "what will it take for congress to represent the citizens...children, the poor, and the less advantaged..." It will take those mentioned, and supporters for a Government Of, For, and By the People,(not Corporations), to organize and take their struggle from the internet and march into the streets in an aggressive non violent protest, voicing their grievences. It will take civil disobedence. It will take a grand mass scale boycotting income taxes, corrupt corporations, and those that pandor to the corporations, i.e. Obama and the like. It will take non violent resitance to a Paramilitary police force. It will take the blood of innocent lives. It will take moxie. It will take commitment. It will take dedication. It will take work.
It will take reinstating and enforcing the Declaration of Independence, which states that it is the right of The People to alter or abolish any government when it becomes destructive of certain ends; the Equal Right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

And always remember;
First they ignor you. Then they ridicule you. Then they attack you. Then you win. m. Gandhi

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MMmmNACHOS 9 years 32 weeks ago
#47

Yes lets have a government that controls its people through suppression. You do understand that is what you are suggesting? Unless of course you would disarm the paramilitary police and military.
Heres a crazy thought; Invent time travel and go back in time and "shoot" the guy who discovered gun powder.

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Elioflight 9 years 32 weeks ago
#48

I think the mistake that gun control advoctes are making is saying that laws will keep criminals from getting guns. The bill is also about keeping the mentally ill from gun ownership--who are the people shooting little children? The mentally ill, not criminals.

At a Cleveland news station and young woman reporter, Shay Harris (Channel 5), recently interviewed a gang member, who hid his identity, about how gangs get their guns. He says that a man in a van shows up with BRAND NEW product--high capacity weapons and ammo. The dealer obtains them from stolen train shipments. The gun manufacturers just write off the loss, forget about the guns, and let the criminals have them. There is no law enforcement trying to retrive these weapons.

Gun manufacturers are irresponsible; it seems that their goal is only to sell as much product as possible--shame on them.

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ginico55 9 years 32 weeks ago
#49

51 votes constitutes a majority - the Democrats had a chance to fix the filibuster issue and failed to do so because of Harry Reid! So the majority party still has no voice! It's time for Harry Reid (who voted against the gun legislation) to go! I have posted the list of ALL who voted against the gun legislation on my Facebook page and in other numerous media. We all need to keep posting this list through the 2014 elections to remind the 90% of those for sensible gun legislation to vote against those on this list who revere the NRA MORE than they do the needs of the general American public!

VOTES AGAINST BACKGROUND CHECKS:

Alabama: Sessions, Shelby, Alaska: Begicch; Murkowski, Arizona: Flake; Arkansas: Boozman, Pryor; Florida: Rubio; Georgia: Chammbliss, Isakson; Idaho: Crapo, Risch; Indiana: Coats; Iowa: Grassley; Kansas: Moran, Roberts; Kentucky: McConnell, Paul; Louisianna: Vitter; Mississippi: Cochran, Wicker; Missouri: Blount, Montana: Baucus; Nebraska: Fischer, Johanns; Nevada: Heller, Reid; New Hampshire: Ayotte; North Carolina: Burr; North Dakota: Heitkamp, Hoeven; Ohio: Portman; Oklahoma: Cobrun, Inhofe; South Carolina: Graham, Scott; South Dakota: Thune; Tennesee: Alexander, Corker; Texas: Corryn, Cruz; Utah: Hatch, Lee; Wisconsin: Johnson; Wyoming: Barrasso, Enzi

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ginico55 9 years 32 weeks ago
#50

Of course those situations need to be addressed and changed. Mental illness is more complicated than just identifying them because we all have the capability of becoming mentally distressed during the course of our lives, which sometimes prevents us from doing rational things. As a mother of a bi-polar daughter, I can attest to the fact that healthcare is lacking for those who need help. For many years it was almost impossible to get coverage, and if you could get it it was VERY limited and expensive. The second issue is that once a child reaches 18, it is impossible to enforce medication and medical help upon those who decide that they don't want or need it, no matter if it is apparent to everyone else. It requires going into court and gaining rights over that person, a very expensive proposition. Also, working with some of the homeless thru my church, I have seen over and over again some of these people being given medication and just turned loose by our mental health department because they lack funds to do any kind of enforcement work. So our best bet is to close ALL of the loopholes that make it possible for them to get fire arms. Nothing is going to be 100%, but if we can limit some, it's worth the price. I am axiously waiting for this issue to come before the Supreme Court for clarification . . . is the 2nd. Amendment cut in stone . . . I think not!

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