I'm disappointed you didn't have more dialog with "Bob", apparently a regular caller that you call cynical.

I happen to agree with Bob. We SHOULD be investigating 911, we should be investigating Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeldt, etc., etc. for illegal actions that took us into a horrendous war that destroyed the lives of so many people. Unless we expose and deal with the CRIMES, we will continue to have the same ROT and CORRUPTION in government. We should all be demanding a pardon for Bradley Manning, and stop criminalizing whistleblower Snowden.

Of course that are plenty of crackpot theories about 911, but ANYONE can do enough research to realize there are also serious questions and issues that need to be pursued. I believe it's very possible Bush & Co. were aware of and even involved in 911. WHY WON'T YOU EVEN CONSIDER TALKING TO THE SERIOUS EXPERTS WHO HAVE RAISED ISSUES? It should not be difficult to identify those that have competent, legitimate credentials and have them on the program to discuss their views.

There is a difference between "cynicism" and "realism".

Well said, Thom. Well said.

Of course, we never got justice for this SCAD either (State Crime Against Democracy):

http://www.globalresearch.ca/jfk-assassination-marked-the-end-of-the-ame...

Vindictiveness is the Obama administration.

I'm just going to share some quotes that I think are appropriate:

"Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority... It thus
exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First
Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from
retaliation -- and their ideas from suppression -- at the hand of
an intolerant society."

--- U.S. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens

"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most
dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act
that could most easily defeat us."

--- Justice William O. Douglas

"All exercise of authority corrupts - All submission to authority degrades."

I don't have a reference for the last quote, so I don't know who said it.

I am not an engineering, a scientist, a pilot, or a metaluergist. But I do know that Jet fuel, which is just highly refined kerosene, burning in the open air, will NOT produce a temperature hot enough to melt steel. Second, the compressor blades in those big jet engines are, suposedly (I haven't been able to verify this, yet), made of a Titanium-Nickel alloy with a melting point in excess of 5,000 degrees Farenheit. The government wants us to believe they were completely vaporized in the Pentagon attack; the only compressor rotor that was found at the scene, both GE and Rolls Royce have stated PUBLICLY could NOT have come from either of the main engines or the APU.

Was 9/11 a government conspiracy, at least in part? You can bet you aunt Fannie's fanny it was. Personally, I believe the government discovered a plan to fly ONE plane in to the world trade center - and then decided to "enhance" the attack for greater gain, politacally and monitarily.

There is just so much evidence available, people need to open their eyes and see it - look up the facts and the science for themselves. Otherwise, soon some corpratocricy will be telling us all when can and can't open our eyes.

Palindromedary ~ Posted a fine link to an article published in a scientific journal, The Open Chemical Physics Journal, that conducted experiments on the dust from the world trade center. The study was conducted by scientists around the world using a variety of cutting edge techniques and found without a doubt trace elements of nano therminite in many samples collected from all over Manhattan.

http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm

To date the study hasn't been disproved, discussed, or addressed. The simple fact that a thorough scientific study published in a peer reviewed journal is being completely ignored by the justice department and the mainstream media is suspicious in itself.

The fact that Thom Hartmann is dismissing this topic and refusing to host an entire show devoted to interviews with various experts only shows that he has been compromised by the perpetrators.

For the record, and to answer chuckle8's question in post #3 you can identify anyone with competent legitimate credentials who have extensive education and experience flying jumbo jets, engineers of tall buildings, physicists, architects, metallurgists, demolition experts, eye witnesses, and scientists who identify elements and materials in debris. You disqualify anyone who works in any capacity with the government, intelligence community, oil industry, or any company with government contracts. The best experts are private citizens or foreign professionals with no ties at all to any aspect of the attacks or ensuing wars. There are a plethora of competent legitimate candidates with reasonable credentials. Unfortunately, there are also a plethora of crackpots. Thom would have to take some time and do a lot of research and background checking to cherry pick the best for his show. It would also be interesting and fair if he picked qualified experts with opposing perspectives and let them respond to each other. That way we could decide who had the better argument. At the same time we could call the show and interject our own questions and opinions for their response. That would be the best format. Anything else would be propaganda. I'm sure it would be one of Thom's highest rated shows. If he already did it I'm sorry I missed it.

Not to pursue the topic at all would indicate that Thom has been compromised. Such a response would also show good reason to support the inside job conspiracy theory. Far too many media personalities refuse flat out to even discuss the topic on the air. Such close mindedness for such a popular topic is very suspicious.

Flopot ~ You are becoming a fountain of insight! Thank you so much for that sobering and informative article about the JFK assassination. For the benefit of other readers here is a clip from the article summing up the enduring relevance of the event to our current concerns today.

Quote Article:LS: Why does the death of JFK still matter?

MB: It’s the most important crime in the second half of the 20th century, it is still unsolved and it marked in a way the end of the American Republic. Since then the financial-military-industrial complex rules and no president after JFK had the balls to challenge that. There is, in the words of Gore Vidal, “a one-party-system with two right-wings”; there are corporate media brainwashing the population 24/7 and propagating wars for global imperial dominance; there are covert operations all over the world to ensure this dominance – and this will go on and on as long the truth about the covert operation, the coup d’ état, against JFKs presidency is kept hidden.

marhab21 ~ Interesting! I wish Saleh the best of luck! It is ironic that the very man who I voted for because he promised to investigate the Bush administration for war crimes is actively attempting to block a victim of those crimes from doing that for him. President Obama is not only a liar; but, a very obedient tool of some of the worst criminals in the history of the world. Of course I hope he realizes that it is only a matter of time till these criminals are brought to justice; and, when that happens he and his DOJ will be accomplices as well.

Here is a transcript of his original response to the question

Quote Senator Barack Obama:What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that's already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can't prejudge that because we don't have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You're also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we've got too many problems we've got to solve. So this is an area where I would want to exercise judgment -- I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General -- having pursued, having looked at what's out there right now -- are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it's important-- one of the things we've got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing betyween really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I've said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances. Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law -- and I think that's roughly how I would look at it.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Barack_on_torture.html

Now his DOJ wants to excuse the Bush Administration from all wrong doing in office. Somehow lying the country into war, attacking unarmed civilians, and torturing prisoners falls in the catagory of "the scope of employment" of the President of the United States. What a lovely precedent! This completely flies in the face of his promise to prosecute "genuine crimes". If these were just "bad" or "dumb policies" you wouldn't have to excuse them would you?

You are right, everything is upside down. I agree that President Obama does seem like a decent man; however, there is clearly some unseen influence that is clouding and misguiding his judgment.

Concerning 9/11:

Quote DAnneMarc:
The fact that Thom Hartmann is dismissing this topic and refusing to host an entire show devoted to interviews with various experts only shows that he has been compromised by the perpetrators.

It is so much easier to not put one's neck on the line, especially when you are a well known personality, with say..a popular TV show. As long as the topics don't veer over into something as controversial as challenging the official conspiracy theories of the government about 9/11 one can avoid aggravating one's ulcers. There are way too many people who have bought the lies, and even some who should know better, won't stick their necks out. They know their necks could get chopped off. They could lose their job or business or their lives. Investigative reporters, or others who have fought for truth, have met with very fishy accidents. Even Presidents, like JFK, have paid the price for going against the real powers that be. But I think part of the reason is that no one wants to look like a fool...after all... "conspiracy theories?"... we've all been conditioned to laugh at them...unless they originate from the government. From a personal (cluck, cluck) position, it's better off just going along with the government and if, say, 50 years from now** they finally admit 9/11 was an inside job, then those who didn't have the balls back then to speak out can just feign surprise and maybe a little disappointment, if they are even still alive, that they were lied to. It is so much safer than sticking your neck out.

One person that does repeatedly stick her neck out is Abby Martin of Breaking the Set on Russia Today TV. Max Keiser is another. Although Max Keiser exposes economic corruption and doesn't deal with things like 9/11. And those 2000 Architects and Engineers...all very brave for telling the truth about 9/11. But there are so many chickens who are afraid to buck the official lies. Cluck, Cluck!

The thing is that people find it so much more convenient to believe that a bunch of Arab Muslim Terrorists were behind 9/11. People were already preconditioned to distrust Muslims. After all, the Crusades did not entirely die out from the dark ages from either side. And then after the US continually had their hands into Middle Eastern countries business all the time...overthrowing governments with cheap dirty tricks...fomenting internal dissent...like in getting Mossadegh overthrown in Iran so the US could install a puppet dictator amenable to our oil companies, playing Iraq against Iran, after a while the people of the Middle East would rightly be quite upset with the US..especially since they sided with Israel all the time. Years of that built up hate and distrust made USians ripe for propaganda setting them up for another "Pearl Harbor".

To believe that 9/11 was an inside job, versus the evil deeds of untrusted foreigners, is such an incredible paradigm shift that most people just shut down any ability to see what happened right before their eyes (on video anyway). That, and the fact that many of those people are obviously psysics-challenged (ie: they don't comprehend the absolute limitations of the situation as expressed in physical realities based on science.) The biggest limitation is the fact that buildings cannot fall at near free-fall speed unless the supporting structure is rapidly removed so that any resistance to the falling upper structure is not impeding the fall. In other words, the reason why those WTC buildings fell at near free fall speed was because someone removed those supporting structures just as they would have in any other demolition...except this time they enhanced it by also using nano-thermite which is a high tech thermite that only our government had lots of it. Thermite has been around a long time but nano-thermite was technologically enhanced in high tech labs not too long before 9/11 happened. Thermite generates very high temperatures and can melt through and engine block in minutes...nano-thermite can explosively vaporize steel beams in fractions of a second.

The dust samples taken and analyzed from various locations within blocks of the WTC towers, one...just 10 minutes after the collapse of the the second tower...showed smoking-gun evidence that nano-thermite was used. And if nano-thermite is proven to have been used then the WTC buildings were demolished by insiders who set the whole thing up in advance and not by airliners crashing into those buildings by "terorists".

I also believe that those airliners were remotely hijacked (we certainly have the capability) and guided to their targets by insiders...not "terrorists" who couldn't even fly small Cessna planes. And that one that hit the Pentagon did a very skillful tight descending 180 degree turn that even seasoned pilots on airliners said they would not have been able to do. So how did someone, who couldn't even fly a Cessna (small prop plane), control a large airliner to do what it did?

**yeah, right...it's been about 50 years since JFK was assassinated and the government still won't admit that it was not a lone gunman called Lee Harvey Oswald behind it.

And how do you think the US government, even say Obama, would act if hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans tried to rebel against the US government and their puppet masters... the ruling elite. Would the US government, would Obama, order weapons of mass destruction against us?

You don't think so? I suppose millions of rounds of hollow point bullets was ordered by our government for target practice or game hunting! There is only one reason for hollow point bullets...to ensure that whoever gets hit will never recover..no need to waste hospital space...cause you won't live after you get hit by one.

Our government would be no more "civilized" against it's civilians than that of Assad or any other failing state. And our state IS failing!!!

The "Let's ignore Bush and Cheney for their premeditated murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, but let's prosecute Manning for pointing out yet more crimes of our government" thing is a professional courtesy, where government officials do not prosecute the previous administration's crimes, in the hope that, "If I don't prosecute the previous president and his administration, the next president won't prosecute me for the many crimes I will commit during my time as president."

Another, related example of this type of selective prosecution is the fact that our government is falling on Kevin Trudeau like a ton of judicial bricks, while completely ignoring Wall Street's crashing of our economy. Let's compare Trudeau's crimes with those of Wall Street:

1. Trudeau scoured the internet for every conceivable statement, rumor, and myth about what herbs cure what diseases. He copied all of that information into books titled, "Miracle Health Cures that 'They' Don't Want You To Know About," and without doing any fact checking, pretended that all of those statements, rumors, and myths were true. And then there is Trudeau's silly bullcrap about being a member of a "secret" organization of rich people who will, if you give Trudeau enough money, show you how to get rich. Bottom line: Trudeau is a con man who has made tens of millions of dollars taking unfair advantage of people who don't have their ducks in a row.

2. The thieves and con men who run Wall Street, on the other hand, stole trillions of dollars- not millions, but trillions- running America's entire economy into a ditch, got rewarded by Bush and Obama with a multi-trillion dollar "bailout" which really should have been ransom money, then cancelled Americans' ability to make money from their savings by lowering the interest rate on savings accounts and certificates of deposit to virtually nothing, raised interest rates on poor peoples' credit cards, and even today are still doing the same things that crashed our economy. The little 80 year-old lady who bags groceries at a store where I shop, has to work for minimum wage at that grocery store, because the thieves and con men on Wall Street stole her retirement money.

So, who does Obama's justice department decide to prosecute? Trudeau, of course.

Oh, if only Trudeau had gotten a Harvard, Yale, or Stanford MBA, or made friends with Wall Street thieves, he could have avoided all this unpleasantness, because they would have told him about "The Secret method That 'They' Don't Want You To Know; Stealing Your Way To Obscene Wealth, Volume II; Avoiding Prosecution."

The secret organization that I belong to will probably not appreciate my revealing the tippity-toppity secret of how to get away with thievery, but I am going to do it anyway. That is right, friends, I am Going Rogue!

Ok, here's the deal: the first thing the thief needs to do after stealing the money (and for another $19.98, I will also tell you how to steal the money), is to give 10% of the stolen money to congresspeople, the president, and the Justice Department. The congress part is easy: just write "Campaign Donation" on a paper bag, fill the bag with stacks of hundred dollar bills, and give it to each congressperson's chief of staff, and the chief of staff will remove his percentage and pass the rest on to the congressperson. (Most congresspeople are "team players," so don't worry about the increasing numbers of congresspeople who do not accept bribes.) Then find out the favorite charities of the president's cabinet members, and make similar donations in the cabinet members' names, so the charities know who to give the kickbacks to. Then do the same with the Justice Department.

And that is the "Secret 'They' Don't Want You To Know" about how thieves do business in America.

We are the ones always just talikng about the bad government and the bad congress,

Yet we put them there. The system we have in place bows to unlimited contribution campaign funds.

We never set up a system were a majority of peoples voices are deciding law,

just apointees to create law. So if we want the masses to create law.

Maybe a system that bypasses the middleman?

Absolute power corrupts,never. Its never to late. Lol

One last one. He who sow it reaps it! Eventually.

Quote douglas m:We are the ones always just talikng about the bad government and the bad congress,

Yet we put them there.

douglas m ~ Oh, contraire my friend. You can make that argument for President Obama; but the key shill in this Patriot Act and foreign illegal war fiasco was President George W. Bush. WE DID NOT PUT HIM THERE!! That man was appointed illegally by the Supreme Court. The mishandling of ballots (ie election fraud) committed in Florida--the state where his brother was Governor--is what got the Supreme Court's attention. The rich owners of the Supreme Court are the ones who put the Kingpins of this high crime fiasco into power, not We the People. As the after election counting showed, We the People elected Al Gore.

Also it was SCOTUS that legalized bribery, not We the People. However, it is We the People who are going to have to fix this mess. On that we agree!