Spying on friends is not acceptable...

This week, German Chancellor Angela Merkel was outraged to learn that the U.S. was spying on her cell phone. But, she's not the only one who should be alarmed. The NSA has been snooping into the private phone conversations of at least 35 world leaders. A new classified document released by whistleblower Edward Snowden shows that the security agency pushed senior officials in the White House, State Department, and Pentagon to hand over their “rolodexes” containing contact information for foreign leaders. The document shows that one unnamed official handed over 200 phone numbers, which included dozens of world leaders, so that the National Security Agency could spy on them.

After the information became public, White House officials avoided discussing details of the program. Caitlin Hayden, the National Security Council spokeswoman, said, “The United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of Chancellor Merkel. Beyond that, I'm not in a position to comment publicly on every specific alleged intelligence activity.” Ms. Hayden did not confirm or deny that the U.S. had been monitoring the Chancellor, or any other world leaders.

Of course, these revelations will have serious impacts on diplomatic relations with Germany and other countries. Already, details of the US spying has angered several nations, including Brazil and Mexico. And, that list is going to grow quickly in the wake of this new information. At a press conference in Brussels, Chancellor Merkel said, “Spying among friends is not at all acceptable against anyone, and that goes for every citizen in Germany.” That goes for every citizen, and every leader, in other nations as well.

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ckrob's picture
ckrob 9 years 5 weeks ago
#1

Thoughts while thinking:

You're not entitled to your own opinion; you're entitled to an informed opinion.

Would you like to respond to the question that was asked?

Believing something harder does not make it truer.

Compromise is not surrender, it is necessary for a working democracy.

Lobbying is a deductible business expense so it is supported by our tax dollars.

Stealing a loaf of bread to feed your hungry family gets you jail time; stealing a billion dollars on Wall Street doesn't.

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Aliceinwonderland 9 years 5 weeks ago
#2

Gee, how rude.

The United States is "democratic" by name only. Over the past several decades, I've watched this country morph into more & more of a fascist police state, with all the arrogance typical of fascist police states. And countries like this are nobody's friend; not even to their own citizens, let alone other countries.

I hope these disgruntled nations give Obama and the NSA hell. I don't know if it'll do any good, but they deserve it anyway. The U.S. should be treated like the rogue state that it is. - Aliceinwonderland

Kend's picture
Kend 9 years 5 weeks ago
#3

This doesn't suprise me. This adminastation seems to do what ever it wants. Just imagine what they are going to do with your health care records once the Government takes control of your health care.

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#4
Quote Thom Hartmann:The NSA has been snooping into the private phone conversations of at least 35 world leaders. A new classified document released by whistleblower Edward Snowden shows that the security agency pushed senior officials in the White House, State Department, and Pentagon to hand over their “rolodexes” containing contact information for foreign leaders. The document shows that one unnamed official handed over 200 phone numbers, which included dozens of world leaders, so that the National Security Agency could spy on them.

The "Intelligence agency pushed Senior officials in the White house?" They PUSHED them??? Hey, who the hell is in charge here anyway? That's like Kindergarten students pushing their teacher to see all the answers on the test in the teacher's edition. If this NSA agency has grown that big--it has to go. It is too big for it's britches and too damn big for Democracy. If the President is that impotent then he has to go too. What is he anyway, a substitute teacher? This kind of breach of confidence is a huge threat to national security. Names need to be taken and a$$e$ need to be kicked. No, I'm not talking about Snowden! That man deserves a medal for exposing all this nonsense. Spying on Germany? Are you kidding me? Nowadays, Germany is one of the few nations on the planet that is doing everything right. They are an example to the rest of us. Maybe that is the reason. We seem to have an stick in our craw with anything done right.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#5
Quote Kend:This doesn't suprise me. This adminastation seems to do what ever it wants. Just imagine what they are going to do with your health care records once the Government takes control of your health care.

Kend ~ You're logic and thought processes--or lack thereof--never cease to shock and amaze me. Think about what you just said for a minute. Are you implying that a Government that can tap the phone of the Chancellor of Germany--along with 35 other world leaders--is going to have to take "control of your health care" to have access to your "health care records?" You're implying that our health care records are sealed up in a vault somewhere in the for profit insurance system and the Government can't get at them? The NSA has pushed the White house senior officials, the State Department, and the Pentagon into handing over their personal rolodexes but somehow the files at Kaiser are off limits? Kend, are you smoking crack?

FYI When you sign the insurance forms before any Doctor sees you here in our current system you acknowledge in the privacy agreement that the hospital will immediately furnish all your information over to any legal entity in law enforcement that requests it. Yes, I always read my Doctor forms. You are forced to agree to government snooping on your medical records before your medical records are created. Government sponsored health care will make no difference. They already have all your information at their fingertips.

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chuckle8 9 years 5 weeks ago
#6

This request is for Thom or any member of his staff. SueN, the chat room leader, suggested I put the request here. However, if anyone has a suggestion to solve my problem, I would appreciate it. My request: How can I show the "Last Hours of Humanity" to my church group (Unitarian Fellowship) without WiFi?

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Aliceinwonderland 9 years 5 weeks ago
#7

Hey "chuckle", your post rang my bell. I was raised Unitarian. Not many of us around. - AIW

Dame's picture
Dame 9 years 5 weeks ago
#8

I'm 65. I've always regarded my phone calls as a conduit....I don't say anything that I wouldn't want overheard or repeated if I'm speaking on a phone....nuff said.

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#9
Quote chuckle8:This request is for Thom or any member of his staff. SueN, the chat room leader, suggested I put the request here. However, if anyone has a suggestion to solve my problem, I would appreciate it. My request: How can I show the "Last Hours of Humanity" to my church group (Unitarian Fellowship) without WiFi?

chuckle8 ~ Sorry, I'm not, and I don't work for, Thom; but, I have a suggestion. If you are running a Windows operating system on you PC you can download a free video capture software from CNET at this link:

http://download.cnet.com/Free-YouTube-Downloader/3000-2071_4-75219434.html

That should allow you to capture the video from Youtube and save it as a file--in the format you choose--on your computer. After that, either burn it to a DVD, or, copy it to a USB drive and take it to the DVD player, or, the computer at your church and play it there. Good luck!

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BlackKnight 9 years 5 weeks ago
#10

I agree with you, DAnneMarc. Excellent remarks.

IMO the security agencies have been running the ship - at least in part - for some time. Had Bobby Kennedy been in charge of the CIA - JFK may have survived 2 terms in the white house. However - as Jesse Ventura said - JFK made a lot of enemies. He did some good things and was in the process of doing more. 50 years ago. Wonder what those agencies know to keep the presidents in line?

When the government was shut down - the NSA was not. When other parts of the government were subject to the sequester - the NSA was not. The administration officials should have told the NSA where to go when they got shook down.

We need intelligence - good intelligence. Not this BS. Get rid of the contractors. Everything needs to be under the direct supervision of the administration and congress. Cut the size by at least half.

chuckle8's picture
chuckle8 9 years 5 weeks ago
#11

DAnneMarc -- Thanks. I will give it a try.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#12
Quote Dame:I'm 65. I've always regarded my phone calls as a conduit....I don't say anything that I wouldn't want overheard or repeated if I'm speaking on a phone....nuff said.

Dame ~ That is excellent advice; and, I certainly agree. I don't think you should ever speak without assuming everyone hears you. My fear of Karma and God more so than fear of any Politician or Agency. Any subversive or threatening comments anywhere can obviously pose a very real danger to anyone. Besides, such comments aren't very productive anyway. However, the present danger goes far beyond saying stupid things on open channels. Because of the spy procedures described by Edward Snowden together with the published story of DHS Agent Julia Davis there is no reason whatsoever to accept the idea that the NSA is trying to protect us. It is clear that they are attempting to establish a web of intelligence meant to control us. Snowden said that when someone was suspect of something their calls were compromised, as well as their contacts, and their contacts contacts. By establishing such a web of suspicion, eventually everyone will be caught in it somehow or another and become a person of interest--even if they don't do or say anything provocative. The classic name for this technique I believe is a "Witch Hunt." J. Edgar Hoover and Joseph McCarthy all over again. Anyone can be targeted, and any communication can be taken out of context and expanded beyond it's original intent. That is if they want to mess with someone. That assumes you are useful to them to some degree. If you are useless there is another course of action. Because of the Patriot Act, anyone can be apprehended without trial or even being changed with anything. That sets up a system where the Government can eliminate anyone it whats for any clandestine reasons that it wants; and, that victim may not even be aware of. That could be for National Security; however, it could just as easily be as a favor for some wealthy person or group of interest that owns the politician giving the order. In that case you can be targeted for almost any reason--because of people you know, business you conduct, property you own, things you know, or even places you have been. You could also be targeted to send a message to someone else, or as an example to a targeted group. The possibilities are endless.

But wait! It gets much, much worse. Now that this illegal activity has been expanded to include kill lists with orders to eliminate people instead of apprehending them, no one is safe. Because these decisions are surrounded in dark secrecy under classified National Security we will never know if someone had an accident, overdosed, or committed suicide. With the current state of evolved affairs, elimination can take the form of an execution style shooting by law enforcement, or even a drone strike. As long as this fascist police state secrecy is allowed we the people have to assume the worst to protect our own best interests and the interests of our families. Without due process and adhering to Constitutional rights we will never know if these targets were suspected or guilty of committing any crimes. We will also never know what they were really targeted for. Therefore, as good as your advice is, in this sorry state of affairs--even if heeded--it guarantees the safety of no one. We now stand subject to terrorists far more egregious than any terrorists that they were ever created to defend against. We will never remedy this situation by sticking our heads in the sand...nuff said--not.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#13

BlackKnight ~ Thank you!

chuckle8 ~ You're most welcome! Thank you for doing what you can do for the cause. Good luck and God bless!

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#14

Palindromedary ~ You especially would get a kick out of this interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o9M2dodkio

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#15

Hello friends, It looks like they are at it again. Here is an urgent letter from Senator Bernie Sanders asking for signatures on a petition to save Social Security. Please sign.

Petition

Quote Letter Fom Senator Bernie Sanders:

They’re at it again.

Billionaires like the Koch Brothers, Pete Peterson, Stanley Druckenmiller and others are leading the charge to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

If they succeed, millions of senior citizens, working families, disabled veterans and children will suffer. We must not allow that to happen.

Today, the middle class is disappearing, real unemployment is extremely high, poverty is increasing and working families throughout the country are struggling to keep their heads above water economically. Meanwhile, the gap between the very rich and everyone else is growing wider and wider and the wealthiest people and the largest corporations are doing phenomenally well.

WE MUST NOT BALANCE THE BUDGET ON THE BACKS OF WORKING FAMILIES, THE ELDERLY, THE CHILDREN, THE SICK AND THE POOR.

As Vermont’s senator, I have the honor of serving on the Budget Conference Committee which will be negotiating a new federal budget over the next few months -- and where I am fearful that a deal could be struck to slash Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits.

As the founder of the Defending Social Security Caucus, please stand with me, our friends at Social Security Works and our coalition partners in demanding; “No grand bargain in exchange for cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits.”

Let’s be clear. Despite right-wing rhetoric:

  • Social Security is not going broke. According to the Social Security Administration, Social Security has a surplus today of $2.8 trillion and can pay out every benefit owed to every eligible person for the next 20 years.
  • Social Security has not contributed to the deficit. Social Security is funded independently by FICA taxes which are paid by workers and their employers.

The so-called chained-CPI, which recalculates how COLA’s are formulated, is not a “modest tweak.” If the chained CPI went into effect today, a senior aged 65 would receive $658 a year less in Social Security benefits when he/she is 75, and $1,100 a year less at age 85. Further, the average disabled veteran would lose tens of thousands of dollars in benefits over his/her lifetime.

Please stand with me today and demand that Congress and the President oppose any grand bargain which cuts Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits.

When one out of four U.S. corporations pay nothing in federal income taxes; when Bush’s tax breaks for the rich remain in place for many wealthy Americans; when the U.S. spends almost as much as the rest of the world combined on defense, there are much fairer and economically sound ways to address the budget than cutting programs desperately needed by the most vulnerable people in our country.

Please stand with me and Social Security Works in protecting the future of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits.

Let’s go forward together. Thanks for your continued support.

Sincerely,

U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders

Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 9 years 5 weeks ago
#16
Quote DAnneMarc #6:When you sign the insurance forms before any Doctor sees you here in our current system you acknowledge in the privacy agreement that the hospital will immediately furnish all your information over to any legal entity in law enforcement that requests it.
Not only that but you also have to agree to not ever sue them in a jury trial. You have to agree to arbitration...and the doctor gets to choose which arbitration judge presides over the hearing. Basically, you are agreeing to "Heads we win, tails you lose!"

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Aliceinwonderland 9 years 5 weeks ago
#17

Sounds more like "Heads we win, tails we win"!

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#18

Palindromedary and Aliceinwonderland ~ That right! They could also say, "Heads you lose and tails you lose," while flipping a two headed quarter. I think we all got that one right.

What they really mean is, "Don't complain or try to sue us! If you do we will give you the opportunity to be humiliated in public before you lose the case."

That translates to, "We can treat you anyway we want and get away with murder! If you don't like it don't come to us with your problems"

Just cross your fingers and hope not to die.

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Palindromedary 9 years 5 weeks ago
#19

DAnneMarc: #15: Thanks for that link...I watchsd it. Very interesting! What was said starting at about 1h 12m to about 1h 15m was very interesting. The speed of the interview was a bit slow so I watched it at about 1.5x speed...stopping periodically to do research on some of these Operation 40 characters. Very interesting how many of the dates were coincident with other historic dates as well. I will, no doubt, re-watch the video and continue to do more research.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#20
Quote Palindromedary:Very interesting how many of the dates were coincident with other historic dates as well.

Palindromedary ~ The dates are very interesting indeed. I've found massive similarities in the Bible and prophecy too. The coincidences between the assassinations of JFK and Abraham Lincoln are also startling. One inevitably must ask the question whether or not these are mere coincidences or if there is something else at work. I have concluded two possible reasonable explanations for these coincidences.

1. There is a supernatural intelligence at work in the universe that works outside of our time as we perceive it and manipulates our events mathematically as a sign of it's presence.

2. The universe is based on mathematical laws that control it's function and manifest themselves in our time due to our realities dependency on universal mathematical constructs.

Strangely enough, both theories are not mutually exclusive. Nevertheless the underlying precept in both theories overlaps--ie. that the universe obeys the laws of mathematics; and, this law manifests itself in real time.

The only other explanation is shear coincidence. Unfortunately, the statistical odds of this explanation alone being behind these events is so great that logic discounts this explanation's reasonable viability.

Therefore, mathematics might explain the dates; however, the explanation for the names, letters in names, locations, names of locations, careers, and so forth in the coincidences of the JFK and Lincoln assassinations stretch the mathematical theory a bit thin. Nevertheless, we must always keep in mind that mathematics is a field of study that we humans have only scratched the surface of. Simply because we don't understand how something works doesn't mean that it isn't explainable. For all we know, the highest possible level of mathematics and the supreme deity of the universe many be one and the same.

I think we should take these coincidences very seriously. I believe there is something of value in them; although, what that might be, I'm not so sure. Perhaps only evidence that there is some kind of order beyond the human experience.

One thing I am certain of. Having experienced such coincidences first hand in my own life I feel fairly certain that the coincidences in these famous historical events weren't intentionally crafted by human planning. The thugs that pulled off these horrible criminal historic events didn't have a clue as to any far reaching significance their actions would represent. They were focused on the task at hand and nothing else. Without a doubt, when I had my experiences that was very clear to me too at the time. I didn't see the coincidences till far after the fact. I must admit though that at the time I did have a funny feeling--almost like deja vu--that something unusual was happening. Beyond that, nothing else till the moment passed. That being said I must humbly conclude that if it wasn't an intelligence per se, it was mathematics; and, If it was mathematics it was intelligent mathematics.

historywriter's picture
historywriter 9 years 5 weeks ago
#21

And I love the people who complain that the Affordable Health Care Act is going to force people to divulge their income to the feds. Ever heard of the income tax?

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#22

Palindromedary ~ Enough of the esoteric.

Getting back to the video. I agree the pace of the interview was quite tedious; however, it is quite littered with bombshells throughout. I thought as I go through it again I would mention what I caught.

At 26-27 min it was mentioned that George H W Bush was put in charge of security at the World Trade Center prior to 9/11. It wasn't mentioned in what capacity. Can you confirm that?

Also, at 30-31 min. it is claimed that Bill Clinton was a key member of drug trafficking in Arkansas in the Iran Contra affair; and, with his hands muddled became the perfect controllable candidate for President. That's news to me. Have you ever heard one that before?

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Palindromedary 9 years 5 weeks ago
#23

DAnneMarc: I prefer to believe that the strange things that happen are caused by very wealthy and powerful people who control governments. It is surely within the ability of these powerful people who also owns and/or manipulates the mass media for propaganda and establishment of what is eventually considered "history" to do such things. Whether it be members of the Skull and Bones, the Illuminati, or any of the other powerful organizations...they are fully capable of carrying out these things at any particular time they see fit. Lots of people have 6 characters in each of their names...like Ronald Wilson Reagan...and it is fun, perhaps, to pretend that has any significance.

They are also fully capable of creating liberal or left sounding named organizations...that pretend to work for the people...but who are really working against them. Every form you fill out on-line could be collecting your data..your name, address, credit card info, etc and, despite their words of encouragement promising that your data will not be misused...they may very well misuse your data anyway. What will people, violated like this, ever do if they even found out about it? What are they doing about the NSA? What can they do? Most people will never know that powerful organizations have collected this data and will one day use it against them.

You really cannot trust putting your sensitive information on any web site even if it pretends to be secure because those that set up the web site may be misusing your data. And then, there are those man-in-the-middle hackers that can grab your data as it travels to the web site you intended your data to go to. Can you really trust web sites that collect data, like fund raisers, or petitioners like say...salsa...or woofoo...or survey monkey? Those are the people behind that web site you gave in "Bernie Sanders' letter". If you look at the url salsa.wiredforchange.com and then go to those links then when you click on the "Fill out my online form" it takes you to a woofoo.com link to handle the form data...and woofoo.com was purchased by SurveyMonkey.com .

Now, most likely, Bernie Sanders, or someone that is affiliated with Bernie Sanders hired this company to collect petitions...along with, of course, a nice big donation... but how do we know that our information is not being misused by the data collectors? How much of those donations are actually used to pay off the web site? A lot of times, the overhead (ie: paying off these handlers of charities or political fund raising efforts) is way more that the people you think you're sending money to actually gets. It's a big racket! Don't think for a minute that you are responding directly to a web site that Bernie Sanders has direct control over. The real reason for all these scare petitions is to manipulate you to hand over a donation most of which goes to the handlers..and a little bit goes to the charity or politician you intended it to go to.

DAnneMarc's picture
DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#24

Apropos to #23

Chronology:

At 34-36 min The dates of 9/11/1991 are cited as being the first mention of the NWO publicly by G H W Bush, exactly 10 years before 9/11/2001; and 11/22/11 the date that the War Crimes Tribunal issued the judgment that G W Bush and Tony Blair are guilty of war crimes being the anniversary of 11/22/1963; or, the day of the JFK assassination.

37-39 min Mentions the involvement of the Skull and Bones society and the Illuminati in the JFK assassination.

39-43 min Richard Nixon, Jack Ruby, JFK, and the Watergate break ins.

46 min J. Edgar Hoover and JFK

48 min John Lennon, Jimmy Hendrix, Bob Marley, MLK, RFK, Malcom X and international assassinations all the result of the same Operation 40 group

50-53 min Names of members of Operation 40 group

53-59 min John Lennon's Assassination-who really did it.

59-1:05 min Salvador Allende Assassination also anniversary 9/11/1973 when Pinochet assumed power in Chile

1:00 min The name of the shooter in the grassy knoll. James Files.

1:08 min Barry Seal is discussed. His role in smuggling drugs into the country for G H W Bush and Bill Clinton. (His story is collaborated on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Seal)

1:09-1:12 How Crack cocaine was used as a chemical warfare agent against the American people and minorities. Along with the War On Drugs the elite suppressed the middle class of the US by destabilizing society and creating a prison class along with an Industrial Prison Complex.

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Palindromedary 9 years 5 weeks ago
#25

DAnneMarc: #23: I had read that it was not George HW Bush that was in charge of the WTC security..but rather either Marvin Bush or even Wirt Bush. The Marvin was a close relative, GW's brother, I believe...and Wirt Bush was not a very close relative. I would have to look more deeply into this. There are the 911 truthers who have claimed one thing and there are those who refute it.

And yes I have read about the Drug smuggling into Mena, Arkansas airport while Clinton was gov. This is the first I heard about GHW Bush actually standing right there awaiting drug shipment to arrive.

I ran across a photo of the old International Trade Mart in New Orleans founded by Clay Shaw...got the address and tried to find it on Google Earth Street View but there is what looks like a Sheraton building...that's the name over the door anyway..and it is many times taller than the old 5 story Trade Mart. I guess they must have torn down the Trade Mart and built the new 33 story Sheraton building.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#26
Quote Palindromedary:Don't think for a minute that you are responding directly to a web site that Bernie Sanders has direct control over. The real reason for all these scare petitions is to manipulate you to hand over a donation most of which goes to the handlers..and a little bit goes to the charity or politician you intended it to go to.

Palindromedary ~ Very well said! And very true!

However, you forget that all of our information is compromised already anyway by the least trustworthy organization on the planet. You don't have to worry about me contributing money because I don't contribute anything as a rule. I firmly believe that the best things in life are free. When I start to hear cost associated with anything I automatically know it is too good to be true and cut and run.

All I offer is my opinion and information. I recommend anyone signing a petition that I have recommend do the same. Politicians don't need our money to know our will. That is a misconception created by the very sorry state of affairs festering in our dominant political paradigm. All our sensitive information already belongs under the control of NSA. The one thing they will never control is my opinion and I intend to exercise it as I see fit. If some data collection agency can help me make my opinion known then they too are welcome to some of it. At least that use is something I have power over.

Do you seriously think that the NSA is collecting all our information just to sit on it like a bunch of grain fed mother hens on their eggs. Of course not. They are selling as much of it as possible to the highest bidder the same way they sell drugs and guns. If you think that keeping your mouth shut is going to protect you data you are quite mistaken. Besides, don't forget that silence is complicity.

My advice is to donate nothing. Your signature is more than enough.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#27

Palindromedary ~ Holy Cow, seriously. The Bush family controlling the security of the World Trade center is what I think Ole was talking about. He didn't say G H W Bus directly was in charge. He said George senior 'controlled' the security. Remember whenever Ole implicated the Bush's he specified that it was never the children behind anything, it was always the father.

That is quite a bombshell for me. (Pardon the pun.) It really is quite irrelevant which member of the family was in charge the implications are the same. That would explain how the buildings were accessed, wired, and exactly who did it. Operation 40. As Ole explained elsewhere in the interview various members of this team had extensive training in explosives. Who else is so washed in CIA blood to be trusted with such a mission? Now it all makes sense.

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Palindromedary 9 years 5 weeks ago
#28

DAnneMarc: I agree that the NSA most likely has just about everything about each and every one of us stored in their massive data bases. And if they are selling our information to debt collection agencies then they are most likely selling it to anyone else. But all those companies that make big bucks off of our gullibility are doing quite well. And, of course, part of the reason why we are so inundated with pests calling us...spamming us...and knocking on our doors is because they have gotten our numbers, or email addresses, or addresses from some damn internet data mining company. And they are all doing it...Google, Facebook, whatever. Of course, it sounds like you already know all of this and aren't suckered in as readily as so many other people.

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Palindromedary 9 years 5 weeks ago
#29

DAnneMarc: I once knew someone who worked as a photo specialist in Naval Intelligence in DC and he showed me a photo of JFK and Jacky after having just deplaned at the airport and in the same picture was LBJ and Lady B. who both had grotesque scowling on their faces at the Kennedys and LBJ was pointing in index finger at JFK. They were obviously not having a good time and were obviously having some kind of very bad disagreement with the Kennedys. The guy showed me the photo back in about 1969 or 70. I always wondered about that. I don't know if that photo ever made it out to the public. It was an actual photo and not a copy.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#30
Quote Palindromedary:But all those companies that make big bucks off of our gullibility are doing quite well. And, of course, part of the reason why we are so inundated with pests calling us...spamming us...and knocking on our doors is because they have gotten our numbers, or email addresses, or addresses from some damn internet data mining company. And they are all doing it...Google, Facebook, whatever. Of course, it sounds like you already know all of this and aren't suckered in as readily as so many other people.

Palindromedary ~ No, I'm far too cheap to be suckered in that easy. However, it appears to me that the petitions seem to be having the desired effect. Remember all the petitions I've recommended recently--petitions not to negotiate on the debt ceiling and not to use military force in Syria. Seems like someone was listening. Hell, Congressmen even invest--our taxpayer money--to solicit opinions in surveys before making crucial decisions. Seems to me they would bend over backwards to have those opinions delivered to their email free of charge.

Considering how foolproof some of these petitions are to insure against "Petition fraud" I often find myself wondering why we have a Congress at all. If you doubt me, go ahead and try to sign a petition twice; or, with a made up name. It seems to me that online voting is already perfected and a much more viable alternative to ensure real Democracy than the current system. I believe the Government of the future will be run from the laptops of We the People.

Nevertheless, if the only way I can currently make an impact on the decision making process in Washington DC is through petitions at the cost of junk mail, and bothersome solicitations I chose the nuisance. Just remember the famous slogan of Nancy Reagan, "Just say no!"

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DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
#31

Palindromedary ~ More collaboration on Ole's facts. Here is a video taped confession of James Files the man Ole says was the shooter in the grassy knoll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ngdLaNOK6Y

Here is a Wikipedia article on the man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Files

chuckle8's picture
chuckle8 9 years 5 weeks ago
#32

DAnneMarc -- Thanks for the website. I downloaded the software and was able to burn a DVD of "Last Hours"

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chuckle8 9 years 5 weeks ago
#33

As a matter of fact they are going to use the IRS to confirm the income you specify.

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Palindromedary 9 years 5 weeks ago
#34

DAnneMarc: Thanks for that link of the confession...it seemed to end kind of in the middle of the confession though. There were two identical 10 minute videos...I was hoping one would be the continuation of the other..but nope. I found another video that had that guy on but also several other witnesses that claimed that LBJ was behind the assassination of JFK...including LBJ's lawyer Barr McClellan and LBJ's mistress.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5vfKK_tSfw

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DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
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Quote Palindromedary:DAnneMarc: I prefer to believe that the strange things that happen are caused by very wealthy and powerful people who control governments. It is surely within the ability of these powerful people who also owns and/or manipulates the mass media for propaganda and establishment of what is eventually considered "history" to do such things.

Palindromedary ~ Really? Well I that I must confess that it is true that many dates may have been manipulated by the very wealthy for some nefarious scary purpose; such as, 9/11 being the assassination of Chile's Allende in '73, the date of the NWO speech by G H W Bush in '97, and the date of the WTC attack in '01. Certainly the new currency that can be folded into an airplane and reveal the demolition of the WTC on the back is man made. ($5-WTC before attack, $10 WTC after attack, $20 WTC on fire, $50 WTC collapsing, $100 smoke rising from the collapse)

http://www.armageddononline.org/911-currecy.html

But, what about the really weird coincidences. For instance, the fact that Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy and Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln. Lee Harvey Oswald and John Wilkes Booth both had three names and 15 letters in their names.The best film of the assassination of JFK was taken by a man named Abraham. Kennedy's assassin shot him from a warehouse, ran and was caught in a theater; whereas, Lincolns assassin shot him in a theater, ran and was caught in a warehouse. Lincoln was shot in a theater named Ford. Kennedy was shot in a car named Lincoln--which was built by Ford. I could go on and on and on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln%E2%80%93Kennedy_coincidences_urban_legend

Come on pal, even a skeptic like you must go, "Hmmmm," after noticing all that.

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DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
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chuckle8 ~ That's wonderful news. I'm so glad it worked. Give my best to your congregation.

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Palindromedary ~ Thanks for that link. I just watched the video. So far, everything in Ole's story is checking out. He must have really done his homework.

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I just spent some time trying to find that photo that I saw of LBJ and Ladybird scowling at the Kennedys at the airport...but nada. Nothing.

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Quote DAnneMarc:Lincolns assassin shot him in a theater, ran and was caught in a warehouse.
I thought he was caught in a barn. Barn...warehouse...manger...cave? Oh, well...as long as someone brought the frankincense and myrrh! Let's party!

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Quote bbc:Scientists have observed that there is some agent within frankincense which stops cancer spreading, and which induces cancerous cells to close themselves down. He is trying to find out what this is.

"Cancer starts when the DNA code within the cell's nucleus becomes corrupted," he says. "It seems frankincense has a re-set function. It can tell the cell what the right DNA code should be.

"Frankincense separates the 'brain' of the cancerous cell - the nucleus - from the 'body' - the cytoplasm, and closes down the nucleus to stop it reproducing corrupted DNA codes."
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FRANKINCENSE FACTS
Boswellia sacra grows in Oman, Yemen and Somalia
Other Boswellia species grow in Africa and India
The tree may have been named after John Boswell, the uncle of Samuel Johnson's biographer
In ancient Egypt frankincense was thought to be sweat of the gods
Source: The Pharmaceutical Journal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8505251.stm

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Palindromedary ~ Thanks for that info on Frankincense. I believe Myrrh has special properties as well.

http://www.history.com/news/a-wise-mans-cure-frankincense-and-myrrh

By the way, did you get a chance to read the article about the currency conspiracy? Every line in that article is a shocking revelation.

http://www.armageddononline.org/911-currecy.html

The bottom of the one dollar bill saying "New Order of the Ages." United and America(n)--the name of the planes involved--stated on either side of the WTC on all bills. The pentagon crash depicted on the back of the twenty.

Someone was paid a lot of money and took a lot of time to design and hide those images in those bills.

The only other explanation is a whole lot weirder...

Not that I attribute anything more to that revelation then some well crafted mischief in the treasury. After all, I was once an avid reader of Mad magazine and enjoyed the folding puzzles located inside the rear covers. I'm sure I wasn't alone. I've even composed a few of my own. It's no big trick to do. You just fold a piece of paper the way you want and then draw what you want. Then you unfold it and draw something else making the image on the ends fit in. Nevertheless, this is a sign of just how deep the 9/11 conspiracy runs; and, just how involved and brazen are the federal reserve members who must obviously be complicit in it.

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Palindromedary ~ On the topic of Frankincense and cancer--if you know someone who is suffering from cancer and want a non-invasive medicine--you might want to suggest trying Shiitake Mushrooms. They have been used in Japan for some time with much success to treat everything from cancer to AIDS.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nalini-chilkov/cancer-foods_b_1192207.html

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/dietandnutrition/shiitake-mushroom

http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/integrative-medicine/disclaimer?msk_disclaimer_herb=1&destination=%2Fcancer-care%2Fherb%2Fshiitake-mushroom

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Thanks, DAnneMarc! I missed that link before. Went to it this time and duplicated the folded $20 (series 2006). Yes, that is quite a coincidence! Or is it a coincidence? Remember the lady in the front leg of the camel on those really old bills? By the way, I used to read Mad magazine too...and I also liked those fold pages. Alfred E. Neuman for president!! ;-}

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Quote Palindromedary:Remember the lady in the front leg of the camel on those really old bills?

Palindromedary ~ No? I'm not sure what you are talking about. Is this a camel toe joke?

Although I must agree about Alfred E. Neuman. The what me worry kid sure couldn't screw things up worse than this latest crop of stuffed pin-striped shirts.

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Ok, I give up! I just did several web searches about camels, ladies, currency and money and all I got was how much money a typical camel costs. Nothing about images or ladies.

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Thanks for those links..very interesting!

Quote Huffington post article: Research has indicated mushrooms have possible anti-cancer, antiviral, anti-inflammatory and liver protective activities.

However, if you mistakenly eat the wrong mushroom it can destroy your liver in a matter of days. The only way to keep you from dying is to get a liver transplant. I used to be very interested in Mycology. Went hunting for mushrooms to identify them. I took spore prints and even looked at spores under a microscope. I would never actually eat any wild mushrooms though. I figured it was better to play it safe. A number of years ago, I read about some Asian children in the San Francisco area that had found some mushroom that looked very much like the mushrooms they were used to eating back in their native country. They died as a result of eating either the Destroying Angel or the Death Cap. They didn't specify which in the news article I read. I assumed that the children thought they had found Shiitake mushrooms.

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Quote Palindromedary:However, if you mistakenly eat the wrong mushroom it can destroy your liver in a matter of days.

Palindromedary ~ Very true! The lesson of this story, never eat any wild mushroom on the west coast. Good rule. The Shiitake mushrooms you can eat come from Japan or east Asia. The best way to purchase them are dried. They are preserved that way and can be hydrated quickly by submerging them in hot water for about 20 minutes or until the water cools. Then squeeze to remove the excess water, cut off the stem with a pair of scissors, and slice the head into strips. You can add them to soups, stir frys, or pretty much anything you want. They have a delicious taste and an almost meaty texture.

Of course in the treatment of disease they are usually converted to extracts or powders that are injected or made into pills. You should always consult a Doctor when using in this form; however, eating them entails no risk whatsoever. Foreign grown Shiitake mushrooms are usually grown in controlled environment on mushroom farms. There is no chance that the poisonous California variety could get mixed in. Just make sure that they come from overseas and the bag they come in is sealed Here in the Bay Area most Chinese supermarkets carry 5-25 lb bags of the dried mushrooms. One bag can last anywhere from one to three years in your pantry and can cost anywhere from $25-$60 a bag depending on quality. I haven't looked but I'm sure you could mail order some online. These mushroom sold in American supermarkets are small in quantity and overpriced. If you can find a foreign large bag it is not a bad idea to keep them in your house and add them to your cooking whenever you get a chance even if you are healthy as a preventative medicine. That is what I have done for years.

Besides being healthy they actually add a delicious zip to any recipe.

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A typical camel costs a lot of money...especially if you accidentally hit one on a road in Saudi Arabia. Their laws say that in order to calculate the value of that camel you have to take into consideration the number of baby camels that camel would have produced and then the babies of those babies. Many thousands of dollars. And if you just manage to just miss a camel, it could just get really ticked off and kick the stuffing out of you and your vehicle. Which reminds me of that mother camel and baby camel I photographed one evening just north of Yanbu. But that's another story which I think I have already told some time ago.

Silly me! I forgot that it wasn't an image on currency but on a pack of Camel cigarettes. The lady in an evening dress on the front leg of the camel. Sorry for the mix up!
Although some people see something else:
http://www.moillusions.com/2007/03/camel-cigarettes-illusion.html
And here's a spinning girl illusion: which way does she spin clockwise, or counter-clock-wise, are you sure? Look again. See if you can manage to get her to spin one way then another.
http://www.moillusions.com/2007/06/spinning-sihouette-optical-illusion.html

Here's an appropriate illusion...stockholders vs wage earners. Thanks to the original idea of MC Escher.
http://www.moillusions.com/2010/11/rising-wages-optical-illusion.html

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DAnneMarc 9 years 5 weeks ago
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Palindromedary ~ Thanks for clarifying that. I thought I was going crazy. The spinning girl illusion appeared to be spinning clockwise. I tried to make her spin the other direction and failed. It wouldn't be the first time a naked woman refused to do something I tried to get her to do so I don't feel too bad. You must be much more persuasive with the opposite sex than I. Good for you. You probably have them spinning around your little finger. Bravo. I'm going to go eat a couple of mushrooms and call it an evening. Good night, my friend!

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I've got to play with my little Arduino and then hit the sack!

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