Lobbyists Are Already Cashing in on the TPP!

Our representatives have been shut out of trade negotiation. According to Economy in Crisis, Americans should be concerned about the lack of transparency around the Trans Pacific Partnership. Although some sections of the TPP have been leaked, even our members of Congress have to jump through hoops to get a peak at this massive trade deal. To make matters worse, Economy in Crisis says that the big wigs in the finance industry are “giving huge bonuses to lobbyists involved in the TPP negotiation.” You have to ask yourself, what's in it for the banksters that's worth dishing out multi-million dollar bonuses?

From the leaked chapters, it's clear that the TPP has been written to benefit corporate interests, not Americans, yet trade officials want Congress to hand over their right to change anything in the deal. So-called “free trade” has destroyed the middle class in our country, and forced too many Americans into “do-you-want-fries-with-that” jobs. This deal is too massive, and too dangerous to proceed without public debate. Tell your lawmakers and tell them to say “no” to Fast-Track, and “no-more” to so-called “free trade.”


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ckrob 10 years 15 weeks ago

Just watched "Capitalism: A Love Story" again from YouTube. The banksters bailout of $700 billion will be dwarfed by the impact of TPP. Further looting of the country sponsored by the Obama White House on behalf of the plutocracy! I'm sure he will be well-rewarded.

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FractionallyUnnerved 10 years 15 weeks ago

-Our representatives have been shut out of trade negotiation-giving huge bonuses to lobbyists involved in the TPP negotiation- "and too dangerous to proceed without public debate." the Fascism hiel rothschild hiel !!.5000 hospitals worth of wealth handed over in servicing the 17 trillion debt.. in ten years (450 billion a year).where is the INTERGRITY of the families that take away such wealth for the very very few.. Abby Martin Break the Set on this one,would you? if Professor Thom says ok lol smash a car for the Shrinners while your at it pls.5000 hospitals in ten years Sick Greed RT can get some publicity too. thanks

911 2 jets 3 buildings lest we forget

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dladdwolf 10 years 15 weeks ago

If the TPP is as wonderful as its promoters claim, there should be no shame in publishing its terms. All parties to an agreement - and every American is a party, willfully or not - should be able to view and respond, if desired, to its proposed terms.

Contrary to claims of TPP "secretists", any agreement that can't withstand the light of day has little chance of being a fair deal, at least for those who will have it shoved down their throats.

Lay all of the terms on the table. Show everyone what a truly-wonderful deal it is, and for whom, and then let informed minds debate it.

With huge rewards already being lavished upon the lobbyist/architects of this secretive deal, many of whom were behind the tanking of America's economy, there is an urgent question as to whose interests are being considered.

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michaelmoore052 10 years 15 weeks ago

Kick the TPP out of our country. Who do they think they are.

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

And speaking of "Cash"....have you looked at yours lately? Looks like the news media is ramping up it's stories on counterfeit bills circulating.

Have you ever gone into a store and bought something and handed the checker a $100 or $50 or even a $20? They often look pretty hard at those bills to make sure they aren't counterfeit. They don't mind embarrassing you while they check that bill! They either hold them up to the light or they use a special device. I had an awkward few minutes the other day when I handed a restaurant cashier a $50 that I just got from my bank. He looked at it for quite a while then took it to the back where he showed it to the manager. I asked if the bill was ok but he wouldn't say anything about it. He just gave me my change. I don't think I'll eat at that restaurant again.

Even though I understand that it is good practice to make sure you're not getting passed a fake bill, it does tend to send a message that "they don't trust you"! And not only that...it creates a few moments of heightened tension... that if that bill turned out to be counterfeit... the cops could be handcuffing you and putting you in jail! How embarrassing! All of your possessions at your residence searched or even confiscated...possibly even sold at an auction even before you are able to clear your name.

Think back a few years ago when people's homes were invaded, possessions confiscated..even homes, or residents murdered by over-zealous police breaking into their homes in the middle of the night. (And some of those were cases of mistaken identity.) They killed people that were totally innocent...all the while our government was importing, or facilitating drug lord's smuggling drugs into the US. They even smuggled drugs into our country in the body bags of dead American soldiers returning from Vietnam.

Raygun (Reagan) was so intent on keeping "Communism" from spreading to our Central American neighbors that..in order to support the rebels fighting yet another popularly elected leader (Daniel Ortega)...Raygun, and the right wing jingos of America (RWJOA)...were willing to indirectly murder US citizens who died from those US imported drugs.

Such a situation might cause many people to check their bills that they get. But, I'm sure most won't and may one day get handcuffed and led off to jail when they least suspect it. Think of the lawyer's fees and other costs!

And what if they find some suspect bills? Would they run off to the bank, even if they just got them from the bank's ATM, to exchange their bills for non-counterfeit bills? Or would they call the police to report it? You know how crooked and opportunistic our politicians and police can be at times.

So, maybe the prospect of being an honest citizen and a victim will give way to just taking the loss and burning any fake bills you get. Or, would you take the chance and try to pass it off to some other poor victim? Once you get stuck with a counterfeit...they don't reimburse you...it's your loss.

So what if you go to the bank's ATM and make a withdrawal and you scrutinize each bill you get. Do you hold each bill up into the light to see if it has embedded watermarks right their at the ATM? In your car? And if you find one do you take it into the bank and tell them that their ATM has just dispensed counterfeit bills?

It's long been known that "they" are trying to dissuade us from cash transactions. Cash transactions tend to keep the transactions anonymous...they can't collect data on us...unless you use an in-store discount card...then it won't matter if you use credit, debit, or cash. They collect all that data on you...and could someday use it against you. I try to keep most of my transactions in cash. But, then, I have to worry about carrying cash and making ATM withdrawals and the possibility that those ATMs may dispense counterfeit bills.

Of course, I could make withdrawals inside the bank with the tellers and hold each one of those bills up to the light to check for the watermark right there in front of the teller. And if I found a bill I thought looked suspicious, ask for a different one. I really doubt that the authorities will handcuff the bank teller or even the manager for passing counterfeit bills. They're "special"! What a great message that would send to the banks!! Everyone hold up the lines to check each bill...sending the message that "we don't trust the banks"!

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

TPP - Sacrificing the Environment for Corporate Interests
Wednesday, 15 January 2014
"The leaked secret draft of the TPP´s (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Environment Chapter, published today by WikiLeaks....."


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DHBranski 10 years 15 weeks ago

Yep, a.k.a., "NAFTA on steroids." Why I think this is a hopeless situation: People don't seem to understand what the "free trade" agreements are all about. It's bizarre to see liberal publications rail against "NAFTA on steroids" one day, and then encourage people to support Hillary Clinton for president the next! (Hillary Clinton, of course, was a poweful lobbyist for NAFTA.)

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DHBranski 10 years 15 weeks ago

American corporations and politicians of both parties want the TPP in spite of the damage it will cause. People need to somehow grasp that the US is no longer Top Dog. Corporations have steadily increased their reliance on workers and consumers outside of the US, using taxpayer money to build factories and offices around the world, shipping our jobs out.

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DHBranski 10 years 15 weeks ago

To understand where the blame belongs, you need to check the votes of Congress.

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Aliceinwonderland 10 years 15 weeks ago

PD, I've had bills scrutinized before by cashiers; maybe not quite as paranoid as you encountered at that restaurant. But I don't take it personally at all, nor am I embarrassed or offended. I see no reason to assume they are blaming me. Even if the bill is indeed counterfeit, that doesn't make me the culprit, because I got it from somewhere (A bank? Store? Acquaintence or friend?). Could be anywhere money exchanges hands. When counterfeit bills are a threat, merchants have to be cautious. Such is life in America today, early 21st Century! We happen to live in a culture and economy where psychopathy thrives like mold on rotten fruit. This is what we get. Like that old song lyric goes: "Paranoia runs deep, into your heart it will creep…"

On the other hand, there could be another factor involved. As you've pointed out, PD, we definitely are being pressured to give up cash transactions. I've chosen the convenience of using a debit card at the sacrifice of some privacy, but I have steadfastly resisted this growing trend towards paying bills via "paperless" transactions. Through the years I've ignored all those pleas and come-ons enclosed with the bills, urging customers to pay online or through automatic withdrawal. I've opted to keep on paying by check. Guess this old gal's gotten set in her ways... Hey, my prerogative!

About eight years ago, out of the blue, businesses began "mysteriously" losing my checks. After several decades of having paid this way without one single incident, I was suddenly having to deal with checks I'd sent "disappearing", and these assholes making it my problem. I'm talking about BMG Jazz Club and Columbia House, who I ordered music CDs from, and ODS Health Insurance Company, and a local utility company, and Health Special Reports over a book I'd ordered… I mean, it was relentless! Over and over again I was being harassed with late-payment notices, on goods & services already paid for. Bloody infuriating! What heightened the resentment and outrage for me was a very strong suspicion that I was being manipulated and bullied by these goddam people, who simply wanted me to make payments in a way that suited them without regard for my needs and rights as the customer. For awhile it seemed like some sort of a conspiracy was underway, and I'm not exaggerating! However I refused to budge. I've always felt it is my own damn business, deciding how to pay the bills. I'll not be controlled by friggin' bullies! I prevailed in every single one of these scenarios until finally, they backed off. I made that insurance company pay the $30 check cancelling fee the bank had charged me, deducted from my premium. And to this day, I still use checks to pay my bills.

Prior to reading your post, Palin, it hadn't even occurred to me that there could be a connection between these tactics and this whole counterfeit phenomenon. Could fake-check scenarios actually be staged? Very interesting to contemplate. Whether or not this is factually correct, it seems plausible nevertheless, given the times... - Aliceinwonderland

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Aliceinwonderland 10 years 15 weeks ago

Branski, you and I are in complete agreement where Hillary Clinton is concerned.

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

Aliceinwonderland: Very coincidental that you mentioned that problem you had with "missing checks". I have had this problem as well and thought the very same thing...that they may be doing this for the purpose of frustrating us so that we will give up on sending checks and migrating to paying bills by computer. I just had another "missing check". My water company, which bills every two months..just sent their bill and it said that the last period payments was not paid. Since I had previously had some problems with other checks not received...I have been making it a point to write the checks on the same day I receive the bills in the mail and if I don't mail it that day, then within the next couple of days. And I have been shying away from using my local post office and going to more major post offices to mail the checks inside the post office. Then I make a note on the calender which bills I paid and which post office I used. My check carbon copy showed that I wrote the check and I noted that I mailed it on the calender. And I even remember when I mailed it. So, it is either the PO or the water company that lost my check. I had to cancel the check...and the bank verified that the check had not been cashed. So, it was either lost or purposely mislaid.

I certainly will not pay my bills by computer. It is just not safe to do so. People get suckered into "convenience" and then they get swindled later. I'm certainly not a Luddite and think computers are great but I also know how dangerous they can be if you're not super careful (paranoid even).

People think they are safe with firewalls and virus checkers...but I think it was Mark Russinovich (of Microsoft [now]...[used to be Minternals]...which is now called Sysinternals under Microsoft) who said that even he cannot ever be very confident that his computer is free of malware. And he has written a whole bunch of free software tools to hunt down and delete malware.

He stated that the major virus checkers can only find about 40% of the malware that's out in the wild. And they won't do any good for day 1 malware and certainly won't do any good unless people are regularly updating the malware signatures. And some malware are dug so deep in the computer and hidden so well that virus checkers and even malware installed by rootkit technology just cannot detect them.

So, as people type in their passwords to their banks, key loggers will be recording and reporting them to hackers. There is just no way I will ever have my bank information on my computer. If it's not there, there is just no way anyone can hack into my computer and get something that is not there. And, by the way, it is not so easy to get some companies to stop drawing on your bank account once they have your account number. Obviously your account number is printed on the bottom of the checks, and they get you account number anyway, but you have not given the companies permission to make automatic withdrawals.

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

I was also thinking that all this news about counterfeit bills, in addition perhaps to an actual increase in people trying to pass more counterfeit bills, may just be a propaganda effort to scare more people away from using cash. And once they do that, they can gather even more information on us. Information is power! It is used to manipulate others....in the case of those who are predisposed to manipulating others. It can also be used as a defensive measure to guard against being taken in by those who would try to take advantage of you.

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

So Bernie Sanders is prepared to run for President in 2016!!!
He's certainly got my vote!

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

We are being watched...private companies are photographing our license plates and along with the time and location coordinates combined with lots of other private data is selling it to whom ever is interested in buying it.

“DRN fuels a national network of more than 550 affiliates,” its tracking “technology is used in every major metropolitan area” and it “captures data on over 50 million vehicles each month.”


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Carl in Minnetonka 10 years 15 weeks ago

Corporations and Wall Street have mutated into a monster. It began innocently enough with allowing multi-national corporations to sell stock in the 1950s. In the 1980s, the Savings & Loan industry, which invested and lended in the communities of its members across this country were destroyed. Banks were allowed to extend beyond State borders with "Regional Banks" and skirt state regulation and investment law.

More importantly, the 401k came along, which pushed everyone's retirement savings to Wall Street. Taxes on trades were removed increasing speculation and drastic market swings (1987 crash). The Deriative and other unregulated, and unfounded, exotic investment "tools" were introduced. Privatization began turning tax dollars into investor profits and control of government programs went to corporate boards, i.e., the privatized prison system.

In the 1990s, CEO and mgmt compensation was allowed to include stock, and banks could sell stock, further corrupting the system and pushing most of the gains to the investor class. NAFTA was passed. The Glass-Steagall Act was abolished--removing financial barriers and safeguards, and making regulation nearly impossible. In the Millenniuim, taxes on overseas profits were reduced from 30 percent to 2 percent. Wall Street firms could sell their own stock, skimming again from the small investor, for the benefit of the one percent. Military privatization turned tax dollars into investor profits. CAFTA was passed. Corporations were given personhood.

It has been a steady march. The only way to change it is to step back, to go back to basics. Stocks and bonds must again be made local and return to their original purpose, to enrich and better American lives and communities.

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Aliceinwonderland 10 years 15 weeks ago

WOW-WEEEEEEEE! - Aliceinwonderland

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DAnneMarc 10 years 15 weeks ago

Aliceinwonderland and Palindromedary ~ I don't disagree with any of your electronic banking apprehensions. However, there is some aspects of the service you both seem to be unaware of. For instance, even with electronic banking I've had problems with the water and garbage disposal service with late bills. The problem is because the two services haven't completed their conversion to electronic banking. You can pay your bill online, but the services do not send out automatic electronic eBills like everyone else does. They also fail to send out prompt mailing bills. The result is that in order to pay your bill on time you have to anticipate the due date, the amount, and voluntarily pay the bill when it is due, otherwise the bank will send you an alert when it is usually due and you have to respond accordingly. Of course the bank only tells you that a bill should have been paid, it doesn't tell you how much. To learn that you have to call the utility company. Kind of defeats the entire purpose of eBilling doesn't it? I'm not the only one I know who is fed up with these basic service companies on this issue. Any entity that can screw up eBilling can certainly screw up traditional billing.

On another note, recently, I had my debit card stolen. On my birthday, no less. No, not from my wallet, from over 150 miles away while I was enjoying myself at home. Somehow, someone 'obtained' a copy of it and went on a spending spree. Out of three attempts to use it in three different stores two were denied and one made it through for a $200 withdrawal. The bank caught it quite quickly and notified me within minutes the same day. I was shocked and felt somewhat violated. The bank is going to carry the loss but still, how the heck does something like that happen? It really shook my faith in the system; and, since I somewhat endorsed the system in past posts I felt it necessary to share this experience. It didn't cost me much more than inconvenience. My debit card had to be reissued and I was without one for two weeks. I still don't know how this happened and the bank didn't want to go into any detail explaining it other than saying, "It happens all the time."

I still feel relatively safe doing business online; however, I am through endorsing it. My advice is to stick with whatever you feel comfortable with. Getting a good night sleep is more important than the money in your bank. Your health is something money can't buy.

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DAnneMarc 10 years 15 weeks ago
Quote Palindromedary:So Bernie Sanders is prepared to run for President in 2016!!!

He's certainly got my vote!

Palindromedary ~ Well, he certainly has mine as well. Gooooo Bernie! Sanders for President 2016! I wonder if he will chose Elizabeth Warren for a running mate? That would sure be a winning ticket; and, serve to protect him in office too.

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Aliceinwonderland 10 years 15 weeks ago

Right on Palin ole buddy; I love this discussion.

I possess maybe a tiny fraction of your level of knowledge pertaining to computers and related gadgetry. However one thing I've observed, from a comfortable distance thus far, is this endless tug-of-war between techies on both sides of the legal fence; essentially the watch dogs & gatekeepers versus the hackers & thieves. And it reminds me of a see-saw. One day it's the good guys with the upper hand, but then a month later it's the sleaze bags. Know what I mean? Back and forth it goes.

As to automatic withdrawals, that addresses what is a huge boundary issue for me. No one accesses our bank accounts but my hubby and me- period. I watch our accounts like a hawk and never write checks without simultaneously, doing the math, thus adjusting the balance in my register. I go over our statements each month with a fine-tooth comb. Nothing gets past me. It's how I stay in control of our financial affairs. On our budget, it's a simple matter of survival. The moment I give someone else access to one of our accounts, even if they are honorable, it becomes much more difficult for me to keep track of that balance. If I happen to get embroiled in a conflict with some company, I want the ability to withhold payment whenever I see fit. If the company can access my money, that option is lost. So then I must fight to retrieve my money, an added burden I'm best off avoiding. Neither consequence of such an arrangement is acceptable to me, or something I'm willing to risk. Bottom line, my friend: you don't have to be an expert or trained professional to be on to this shit. We become activists simply by sticking up for ourselves. - Aliceinwonderland

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Aliceinwonderland 10 years 15 weeks ago

I just read your post, Marc. Thanks for sharing that. Excellent points!

If given the chance, banks and businesses will jerk us around like hooked fish. And thieving predators never take a vacation. It's a jungle out there, more than ever in our lifetimes. However we choose to manage our affairs, we must remain fiercely vigilant. I'm not preaching paranoia, I'm just being realistic. - AIW

P.S. I've already said everything I have to say about the TPP, in past posts. I'm not a religious person, yet I pray every day the Trans Pacific Pirate Ship soon sinks down a big black hole, into the realm of the obsolete.

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

I too want to thank you, DAnnemarc, for sharing that. Sorry that this happened to you. The more exposure, through using electronic banking or our credit/debit cards, the more likely that we will get stung by someone who manages to steal our sensitive financial data.

I heard that the authorities in the bay area arrested a number of people in a debit card scam. They go around attaching devices to ATMs and gas-station POS terminals...that copy the data off the cards...then they burn their own fake credit/debit cards. Makes me paranoid to even buy gas anymore. I do use my debit card at Cosco Gas...but very rarely anywhere else. But I am always scrutinizing anything unusual about the slot or keypad or for cameras that could watch me key in my numbers.

But, I think in that bay area case...those guys worked for the gas stations and had access to inside of the POS terminals where they attached their devices. There would be no way to detect if something was fishy in such a case.

I always write down when I get gas on the calender and check it against my bank statement every month. The older I get, the more I have to write things down. I'm lucky if I remember yesterday...sometimes, I'm lucky if I remember the last few minutes.

Anyway, I'm glad they caught them!

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

I was going to say something but I forgot what I was going to say! Probably not very important.

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DAnneMarc 10 years 15 weeks ago

Aliceinwonderland ~ Palindromedary is right about computer vulnerability. I don't have the knowledge he does either; but, I do have above average knowledge. It only takes a few lines of script to write a keylogger program. Where it gets stored determines how much damage it can do. I once chased a malicious program all the way into my motherboards CMOS chip. Thats the chip that stores the vital brain matter of your computer and tells it how to boot up. Only after erasing, replacing, and reprogramming the Hard Drive multiple times did I get a clue. A friend of mine helped me and together we tried disconnecting the HDD and all other peripherals and performing a CMOS clear using jumpers on the main board. Against my better judgement we then connected the affected Hard Drive to a good computer as a slave, booted up in safe mode and nuked the hell out of it. When we restored the Drive to the affected computer, reset as the master, we were able to load the OS without any problems. It's worked fine ever since. I have never figured out how any program can get stuck in a older CMOS chip. However, according to Palindromedary, the latest versions of CMOS will be even easier to compromise. If that happens to the average user, they might want to donate the box to St. Vincent De Paul for parts; or, better yet, throw it in the trash.

My whole point is that if a novice like myself is aware of the threat, you can bet your financial institutions are on top of it too. I'm just throwing this out to try to calm any fears. Like I said, the bank responded to the theft within minutes. Thats better than most police departments respond to a mugging. They are also covering any losses. What more can you ask for?

Palindromedary ~ Keep up the defensive measures. I trust your instincts. Up until that last incident I didn't believe debit card forgery was possible. The only time I saw it was when it was depicted in the "Die Hard" movie "Live Free or Die Hard." By the way, if you haven't seen that movie yet you need to. There are a bunch of computer super hackers in it you would get a big kick out of. An incredible movie and a must see I recommend to everyone.

PS ~ You're both welcome! I felt it was my duty to share that most unfortunate experience after over glowing about bank security. I don't want to lead anyone astray by mistake.

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

"...without a doubt, Obama’s strategy of fomenting revolution in Ukraine is backfiring dramatically". Is it check-mate? Or will Obama push us into the brink of destruction over the Crimea. Russia is not going to be such a push-over....as they are showing us right now!

Be sure to listen to the video (it's really audio with still pictures) of a conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Ambassador to the Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt that was leaked a little over a month ago on YouTube. "... this video is solid proof that Obama administration officials were plotting who the new leaders of Ukraine would be several weeks before a violent revolution ousted President Viktor Yanukovych from power…"

This video was leaked on Feb 2, 2014 three weeks before the overthrow. "Anybody that tells you that the US is not running the “revolution” from behind the scenes is blowing smoke."

-It is estimated that approximately 675,000 Ukrainians have fled into Russia during January and February. Why would they be going into Russia for protection if Russia is the “bad guy”?

-The head of Ukraine’s navy has defected and is now working with the Russians.

-The flagship of the Ukrainian Navy has switched sides…

-It is being reported that many of the Ukrainian troops stationed in Crimea have turned on the government in Kiev…

-The pro-Russian revolution that is sweeping Crimea is starting to spread to other regions as well…


But is it Obama's strategy or is it the Neocons who have been trying to drive a wedge between Obama and Putin for some time now? The Neocons could very well be behind this and will blame Obama for it all.

Quote consortiumnews.com:President Barack Obama has been trying, mostly in secret, to craft a new foreign policy that relies heavily on cooperation with Russian President Vladimir Putin to tamp down confrontations in hotspots such as Iran and Syria. But Obama’s timidity about publicly explaining this strategy has left it open to attack from powerful elements of Official Washington, including well-placed neocons and people in his own administration.

The gravest threat to this Obama-Putin collaboration has now emerged in Ukraine, where a coalition of U.S. neocon operatives and neocon holdovers within the State Department fanned the flames of unrest in Ukraine, contributing to the violent overthrow of democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovych and now to a military intervention by Russian troops in the Crimea, a region in southern Ukraine that historically was part of Russia.


Will the Neocons push us into a nuclear confrontation?

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

[quote=consortiumnews.com] NED, a $100 million-a-year agency created by the Reagan administration in 1983 to promote political action and psychological warfare against targeted states, lists 65 projects that it supports financially inside Ukraine, including training activists, supporting “journalists” and promoting business groups, effectively creating a full-service structure primed and ready to destabilize a government in the name of promoting “democracy.” [See Consortiumnews.com’s “A Shadow US Foreign Policy.”]

State Department neocons also put their shoulders into shoving Ukraine away from Russia. Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland, the wife of prominent neocon Robert Kagan and the sister-in-law of the Gates-Petraeus adviser Frederick Kagan, advocated strenuously for Ukraine’s reorientation toward Europe.

Last December, Nuland reminded Ukrainian business leaders that, to help Ukraine achieve “its European aspirations, we have invested more than $5 billion.” She said the U.S. goal was to take “Ukraine into the future that it deserves,” by which she meant into the West’s orbit and away from Russia’s.

But President Yanukovych rejected a European Union plan that would have imposed harsh austerity on the already impoverished Ukraine. He accepted a more generous $15 billion loan from Russia, which also has propped up Ukraine’s economy with discounted natural gas. Yanukovych’s decision sparked anti-Russian street protests in Kiev, located in the country’s western and more pro-European region.

Nuland was soon at work planning for “regime change,” encouraging disruptive street protests by personally passing out cookies to the anti-government demonstrators. She didn’t seem to notice or mind that the protesters in Kiev’s Maidan square had hoisted a large banner honoring Stepan Bandera, a Ukrainian nationalist who collaborated with the German Nazis during World War II and whose militias participated in atrocities against Jews and Poles.

By late January, Nuland was discussing with U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt who should be allowed in the new government.

“Yats is the guy,” Nuland said in a phone call to Pyatt that was intercepted and posted online. “He’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. He’s the guy you know.” By “Yats,” Nuland was referring to Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who had served as head of the central bank, foreign minister and economic minister — and who was committed to harsh austerity."

That is the video I referred to before.


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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

So, in a nutshell...the Neocons are ticked off at Putin and Obama for not invading Syria and Iran so they have worked through NED (the National Endowment for Democracy) to foment unrest and instability in the Ukraine..and were the cause of the Ukrainian Coups. The neocons also would very much like to replace Russian military ships in Sevastopol, Crimea with NATO military ships. And, of course, they very much want to impose harsh austerity upon already hurting poor Ukrainians by bringing them into the EU sphere of influence. And Obama doesn't appear to be gutsy enough to oust those damn Neocons out of our government where they are a constant source of trouble. I think the Neocons are just as crazy as many of the end-of-worlders...who believe they have to create situations that will cause a self-fulfilling prophecy...but wait!!!....many of those Neocons are those very end-of-worlders. Zod help us!

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago
Quote thethirdworldtraveler.com:How many Americans could identify the National Endowment for Democracy? An organization which often does exactly the opposite of what its name implies. The NED was set up in the early 1980s under President Reagan in the wake of all the negative revelations about the CIA in the second half of the 1970s. The latter was a remarkable period. Spurred by Watergate-the Church Committee of the Senate, the Pike Committee of the House and the Rockefeller Commission, created by the president, were all busy investigating the CIA. Seemingly every other day there was a new headline about the discovery of some awful thing, even criminal conduct, the CIA had been mixed up in for years. The Agency was getting an exceedingly bad name, and it was causing the powers-that-be much embarrassment.
Something had to be done. What was done was not to stop doing these awful things. Of course not. What was done was to shift many of these awful things to a new organization, with a nice sounding name-the National Endowment for Democracy. The idea was that the NED would do somewhat overtly what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades, and thus, hopefully, eliminate the stigma associated with CIA covert activities.


And NED is not the only one...there is also ICNC (International Center for Non-violent Conflict) and Freedom House and others. Noam Chomsky has talked about some of these. They all act a CIA covert fronts to destabilize governments the Neocons want to overthrow.

Quote counterpunch.com:
In reality, NED is part of the US Empire’s tools, and “independent” only in the sense that no elected presidential administration can directly alter its composition or activities, even if it wanted to. It’s initial project director, Professor Allen Weinstein of Georgetown University, admitted in the Washington Post of September 22, 1991, that “a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.”
Quote counterpunch.com:... instead of waiting for a client government to be threatened by its people and then responding, US foreign policy shifted to intervening in the civil society of a country ‘of interest’ (as defined by US foreign policy goals) before popular mobilization could become significant, and by supporting certain groups and certain politicians, then channel any potential mobilization in the direction desired by the US Government.”


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Mark Saulys 10 years 15 weeks ago

A real lot of day laborers and outsourced temp workers in Chicago are being paid by debit card transaction (money added to debit account) and are being encouraged to choose to be paid in that way. This is new - wasn't done until just recently - and could be problematic because day laborers are commonly victims of wage theft, i.e., their employers commonly short their pay and pocket the difference, and this may leave less a paper trail for them to be able to recover their money with.

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Kend 10 years 15 weeks ago

Bernie Sanders for President? What comes after trillions? I thought Obama could spend money.

Fractionally, when you get rid of the TPP why don't we get rid of lobbiest As well. Nothing good ever comes from them.

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FractionallyUnnerved 10 years 15 weeks ago

Kend I'd Start with the lobbiest with corporate personage The Real History of 'Corporate Personhood': Meet the Man to Blame ...

oh and then do what Prof. Hartmann recommends on The Big Picture

Lobbying for change

regards singed FU to the banksters lol

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FractionallyUnnerved 10 years 15 weeks ago

er signed with my finger lol

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Mark Saulys 10 years 15 weeks ago

You know how you get rid of lobbyists, Kend? Publicly financed campaigns or "socialist electoral process" as right wingers call it.

Don't worry about Bernie Sanders, Republicans are the party of government spending, it's just never on what the people need, it just goes into the pockets of their defense contractor cronies. They always bankrupted government, hell, Clinton had a budget surplus and was starting to pay off the debt - until Bush came along and ran up the debt and deficit we have now. Now we're so flat on our ass we can't even think about paying down the debt.

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Aliceinwonderland 10 years 15 weeks ago

Payment by debit account, Mark?! I don't like the sound of that one bit, and I'm feeling sorry for those laborers already. This creeps me out. What's being done with those laborers will spread like a viris until it affects all of us. We have the most control of our money - and privacy - when we use cash. I hope I die of old age before cash is made obsolete and ceases to exist. This spells nothing but trouble for us: loss of control, privacy, the ability to protect ourselves from rip-offs... that noose just keeps tightening around our necks as less and less of our daily lives evades the microscope of fascist oversight.

This ain't America anymore. Even that old illusion of the "mythical America" (ala Norman Rockwell) can't hold up forever against this ongoing assault on our privacy, rights, protections and freedom... grows thinner and more brittle day by day!

This sucks. I hate the 21st Century. Beam me up! - Aliceinwonderland

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Mark Saulys 10 years 15 weeks ago

The action in Ukraine is part of a pattern of the shadow foreign policy of exploiting fascist, chauvinistic nationalist sentiment to divide, conquer and take control of an Eastern European country as was done by the U.S. and other Western powers in Yugoslavia in the 1990's.

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DAnneMarc 10 years 15 weeks ago

Palindromedary ~ You say that the unrest in the Ukraine is a result of the fascists in this country, Neocons if you will, being upset that we didn't invade Syria? What are you saying is the goal of these fascists? Do they want WWIII? That seems to be the most obvious result of this agenda.

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Aliceinwonderland 10 years 15 weeks ago

Palin, I clicked that link you posted about Bernie running for prez and read much of the long article. Being a subscriber to The Nation, I was able to access it without any trouble. Having heard Bernie a lot, on Thom's show and elsewhere, I'm very familiar with his message and priorities. The idea of having him for president thrills me like no other presidential candidate has in my lifetime. Nothing against Kucinich or Nader; it's the circumstances, not just the person. I'm sensing our fellow Americans are more ready for a true progressive in the White House than they were back when Kucinich and Nader ran. I think more and more people are getting fed-up with this two-party oligarchy we've been stuck in and crave a deeper, more systemic level of change. As an independent, Bernie is offering a viable escape from the stranglehold these two corporatized parties have had on our democracy. And that thrills me to the core.

However, reading the blog immediately following that interview-article was a bit of a downer. A fairly large number of those posts were very negative, characterizing Bernie Sanders as just another run-of-the-mill politician who can't be trusted. Brings to mind another long article you availed us maybe a week ago, Palin, via another link, about the many tactics used by fascist "agents" to sabotage blogs, wherever the opinions expressed are of the sort fascists like to suppress. I can only wonder if some of those negative posts were fake. Your opinion?

What a Bernie Sanders candidacy gives me is a tremendous gift, the gift of hope. I've never gone door-to-door for any candidate before; I don't feel safe encroaching on the turf of complete strangers whose dogs might want to eat me, or who might greet me with guns drawn. This is the most conservative area I've ever lived in, unfortunately, and there's a lot of ignoramus rednecks around here. But for Bernie, I will wave these fears aside, put my psychic armor on and my walking shoes, and do the footwork. That's how badly I want Bernie Sanders for president. I've had plenty of time to see how he operates and what he's made of, and this is the kind of leadership our country desperately needs. - Aliceinwonderland

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FractionallyUnnerved 10 years 15 weeks ago

This chat room would know of prism PRISM (surveillance program) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and PRISM should Know

For any one uninformed there's a link

This site would be a Major target so I would recommened tring to turn those agents wiretapping this room into those that would pass the knowledge they learn to there own as good Citizens.

the pen is might sword or somthin

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

DAnnemarc: The Ukraine and Russia have lots of raw materials that Greedy Western Bastards would like to control. And they don't mind a bit making people starve and die who are in the way. The GWB would also like to keep Americans...actually, the World, frightened of an evil bogey man because that makes them malleable and controllable.

The cold war worked for them once until the Soviet Union stopped playing that game. It's kinda funny because everyone thought that the US won against an evil empire. But the real evil ones, the manipulators in the US, lost the means to keep Americans afraid of a bogey man. So, they used the drug lords as bogey men until the guns for drug fiasco...then they engineered the "terrorist" bogey men...and now they are going full circle back to Russia as the new bogey man.

The west needed other bogey men to take the place of communists so they engineered a false-flag attack on the US by "terrorists". But in fact, "terrorists" did do 9/11....the US insiders needed a new Pearl Harbor in order to get what they wanted. Now, many people are starting to see that the real terrorists live in our country and are in the highest positions of power in this country. They can see how our criminal government is rotten to the core and have been behind the fleecing of Americans...in various scandals over the years..and are not happy with losing their homes nor with the bailouts of these crooked organizations. They know that it will happen over and over again...or at least some people realize that fact.

The US ruling elite needs new enemies to keep Americans meek and frightened. And the killing of civilians in the Middle East was done mostly in order to create new "terrorists" that the US could point their finger at and say...see there...they hate us...be afraid, be very afraid. I believe these psychotic lunatics will risk an all out nuclear confrontation. And some have long wanted that all along. Several times they pushed for nuclear confrontation in our history...IE: using nuclear weapons against people we were in conflict with....Korea, Vietnam, and there were others. Problem with Obama is that he did not get rid of all those psychotic, war-mongers when he should have. Now, our "Rodney King--'can't we all just get along' " President, let the GWB run all over him...probably re-igniting the cold war and making the world one hell of a lot more scary to live in. And that's what those who want to control us are doing.
I had read that prior to the 9/11 attack, many who worked in those twin towers had been warned not to go to work on that day. I'd really be interested in knowing how many of those people who didn't go to work that day were higher level execs...compared to the low level office workers who died that day.

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Kend 10 years 15 weeks ago

Its easy to have a surplus in the good times Mark. Dems are pretty good at it too. Obama is spending a trillion a year.

Cut the military budget in half then cut every government dept. by 10% and you are almost there. Any thing else I can help you with. LOL

Interesting, in Canada we just got rid of publicly funnded campaigns. We had so many parties formed because of the free government cheese it was getting out of hand.

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Palindromedary 10 years 15 weeks ago

Aliceinwonderland: I wouldn't doubt for a minute that your suspicions about shills in those blogs are backed and paid by powerful groups that are trying to do psychological warfare against us.

I agree that electing Bernie Sanders as President would send a really big message to the good-old-boy network in the two party system that their days are numbered. And that they had better start changing their tune if they hope to survive without an all out overthrow of the criminal powers that are currently running this country. When the US starts to look like the Ukraine, Egypt, Bahrain, Syria, Libya and some of the Central and South American countries, like Venezuela, et al, where the people have ousted their crooked leaders and ruling families, then maybe those hard-liner capitalist pigs will repent and relent. Although, in the Ukraine, it's a bit confusing just who were the hard-liners....I was reading some Stratfor messages on Wikileaks talking about the recent history of Ukraine...those emails were leaked back in 2011 and you can see some of the problems they were having back then. Seems some Ukrainian people were upset because the government was trying to cut back on compensation to soldiers who fought in the war and people who were getting compensation for being injured or displaced in the Chernobyl accident. Sounds very familiar to what our country has been trying to do to us. Some of those Stratfor emails were kind of funny...even x-rated conversations...flirtations...not very business-like.


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DAnneMarc 10 years 14 weeks ago

Palindromedary ~ Thanks for the response. I take it you are saying yes, the western fascists are trying to ignite WWIII, all in the name of business as usual; and, they don't care who gets hurt as long as they can unleash their dogs and fireworks as they see fit to control, control, CONTROL, everything. Thanks for breaking it down into nice chewable chunks.

My next question is do these lunatics think they can get away with this; and, do you think they can get away with it? Certainly there will be a tipping point where the people of the world unite under the sentiment that this is enough? Certainly, we are not the only nuclear capable nation in the world? Certainly, we are not invulnerable? Could we be making the same error in judgement that the Nazis made? Could history be repeating itself, again?

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DAnneMarc 10 years 14 weeks ago
Quote Kend:Cut the military budget in half then cut every government dept. by 10% and you are almost there. Any thing else I can help you with. LOL

Kend ~ You're starting to make some sense... Another sign of the Apocalypse!?!

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DAnneMarc 10 years 14 weeks ago
Quote Palindromedary:Aliceinwonderland: I wouldn't doubt for a minute that your suspicions about shills in those blogs are backed and paid by powerful groups that are trying to do psychological warfare against us.

I agree that electing Bernie Sanders as President would send a really big message to the good-old-boy network in the two party system that their days are numbered.

Aliceinwonderland ~ I agree with Palindromedary. It makes no sense that readers of that particular source would have that mindset. It makes far more sense that psychological warfare is afoot. I'd take it lightly. Still that is nothing compared to what I anticipate happening with the talking heads on FOX and the other mainstream media channels if this candidacy is largely publicly announced.

We saw all this before with Dennis Kucinich. His candidacy was dead in the water when the MSM got ahold of it and tore it to shreds. The bought and paid for political party controllers did the rest. They even prevented him from participating in the televised debates. Some democracy when debate is stifled and limited to only those with a particular agenda.

Bernie is going to have to play this one smart; and, I believe he has already set the foundation for a smart campaign. For instance, all the time he has already spent on Thom's show answering questions from you, me and everyone else. Even if he is stifled from a public debate, all of his opinions are already out there on YouTube for all to see. A huge advantage that Dennis didn't have at the time. All the work is done, thanks to Thom, and it didn't cost Bernie a cent. It's exposure like that which really has me excited about a potential Sanders candidacy. The only thing that would make it better is if Warren runs with him. That would truly be a dream team.

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Aliceinwonderland 10 years 14 weeks ago

I think Bernie Sanders is the oligarchs' worst nightmare. I might even get back on that blog under The Nation's article (John Nichole's inverview of Bernie) to remind people of that; also to caution them about the nay-sayers, who should be taken with no more than the proverbial "grain of salt". - AIW

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Aliceinwonderland 10 years 14 weeks ago

Marc- I was still writing my last response to Palin when your posts appeared. And I've had the same thoughts. Those nay-sayers don't come across like readers of The Nation, who tend to be highly educated as well as having opinions very similar to ours. These Bernie-bashing bloggers sound like the same run-of-the-mill, macho, cocky little creeps I've encountered on many blogs already. I'm familiar with their talking points and flip, sound-byte answers to everything, along with the cheesy, thinly-veiled insults and sophomoric demeanor that are their trademark.

I am determined to keep up the fight against this crusade of theirs. Never underestimate the power of the pen, dear comrades! For decades, it has been my weapon of choice. And let me remind all our friends out there who might be inclined to do the same. We can't let 'em get away with this! Maybe I should try passing along that link Palin availed us, about tactics the sleaze bags will use to silence us online.

Bernie Sanders is a highly savvy politician who nurses no illusions about what he's up against. I'm confident his campaign will be the smartest one possible. I am eternally grateful to Thom for all the exposure he's given Bernie; also for the platform availed him by YouTube. Yet as I interact with progressives around here, I'm taken back by how few of them are even familiar with Senator Sanders. Many progressives are not in the habit of tapping into superior alternative media sources such as I rely on habitually, which is a terrible shame. I'd bet anything the corporate fascist so-called "media" will give Bernie's candidacy no coverage at all, except maybe occasionally, but only in a negative or dismissive tone.

I've heard it said that Elizabeth Warren is in her most effective position as congresswoman. Even if there's some truth to that, I've no doubt she and Bernie would make a real "dream team". If there is anything I can guarantee at this juncture, Marc, it would be that whoever Bernie chooses for a running mate will be no Sarah Palin! (Yuk-Yuk!) Seriously, just having Bernie's discretion in that decision virtually guarantees us a "dream team" no mater who he picks. Nader or Kucinich come to mind… although at age 80, Nader might be less apt to accept such an honor than he would have been, say, ten or twenty years ago.

Ahhh hope... ain't it sweet! Thank you Bernie! Ohhh thank you thank you thank you! - Aliceinwonderland

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DAnneMarc 10 years 14 weeks ago
Quote Aliceinwonderland:I've heard it said that Elizabeth Warren is in her most effective position as congresswoman.

Aliceinwonderland ~ I'm sure you've heard that... I'm also sure you've heard "Jack and Jill went up a hill to fetch a pail of water;" and, that "Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall..."; nevertheless, we are only limited by the glass ceiling of our own imagination. Let us not be our own worse enemy.

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FractionallyUnnerved 10 years 14 weeks ago

Hello Aliceinwonderland "although at age 80, Nader might be less apt to accept such an honor than he would have been, say, ten or twenty years ago." ' how does Ralf Nader for Secretary of State sound?Global influence so renown for Integrity! just a thought for this forum, a legacy post . would have made a great prez ol Nader

to quote master yoda "much to learn yes much to learn " now back to how to use that quote [ ] "opinions very similar to ours"

yes indeed

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Aliceinwonderland 10 years 14 weeks ago

Fractionally Unnerved- lazy typist that I am, would you mind if I address you from now on with a shorter version of that blog name?

I've considered maybe "FU", altho I'll confess to having encountered a couple of speed bumps somewhere along that trail of thought. One point of hesitation for me is my ongoing dissing of acronyms, which I genuinely hate, philosophically as well as aesthetically; also because I find it a hassle keeping track of them all. (Not to mention my aversion to the sort of hypocrisy this could exemplify...) The other drawback to this option is that "FU" kinda sounds like... well, you know.... So how about "Unnerved" instead? Seems a fair compromise, unless you object.

As to Ralph Nader as Secretary of State... YES! By all means, YES! I become giddy at the very thought. We need progressives with teeth, goddamit! We need warriors, not wimps; we need progressive leadership aggressive enough to fight for an agenda that benefits us and this entire country, not just a pampered few.

Of course when I say "warriors" I don't mean rambo types with weapons; I'm talking about the kind of president hated by oligarch fascists, who "welcomes their hatred" (as Rooseveldt once gloated). I'm talking about a president who wouldn't dream of sanctioning such freak-show horrors as indefinite detention without charge or trial, or fast-tracking the Trans Pacific Pirate Ship, or murder-by-drone! I'm talking about the kind of president who knows who he's working for, someone who will fight tooth-and-nail to take back the commons these fascists have stolen from us; our healthcare system, our schools, our media and our government! When I say "warrior" I envision someone who couldn't care less about bipartisanship, who concerns himself (or herself) only with the health and stability of this country and all its people.

Some people say it's hopeless, that Bernie will just get corrupted like all the others, or assassinated if he isn't. While I can't dismiss concerns about safety, I've no apprehensions about the strength of Bernie's character. I would be hard-pressed to write a very long list of politicians as corruption-proof as Bernie Sanders. If I ever got that cynical, it'd be like some sort of living death. So I'll never get that cynical. Despite all the evil and tyranny and mind-numbing corruption we've had to endure and all the betrayals, I still believe there are a few uncorruptible souls who are not greedy, who aren't seduced by the trappings of wealth and power, who are all about "we" not "me" in their strivings and struggles. Bernie Sanders is one of those rare politicians I can trust to fight for us like a pit bull who hunkers down and won't let go. This is a leader who will never betray us. - Aliceinwonderland

P.S. Unnerved- By the way, I'm no science fiction buff but I love ole Yoda. I keep a figurine of Yoda in one of our glass display cases.

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Aliceinwonderland 10 years 14 weeks ago

Marc, as to the question of Elizabeth Warren's effectiveness as senator compared with president or vice-prez, I was reluctant to dismiss the idea entirely due to the source. It was our highly esteemed Loren Bliss quoting a friend or acquaintence whose opinion he apparently respects enough to not dismiss so quickly. If I recall, Loren wasn't entirely sold on the idea, although he was giving it some thought. For what it's worth...

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