Could John McCain be Responsible for the Next 9/11?

History is repeating itself in the worst possible way, and if we don’t learn our lessons, we could have another 9/11 on our hands a lot sooner than you might think. Today, fighters from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, continued their push towards Baghdad. The group now controls a whole swath of territory ranging from the Euphrates valley in Eastern Syria all the way down to the string of cities surrounding the Iraqi capital.

If you made a list of the nastiest people on earth, ISIS would top the list. The group was actually kicked out of Al-Qaeda for being too extreme and has been pretty open about how it wants to “cleanse” the “filth-ridden” Shia holy cities of Najaf and Karbala. When it comes to terrorist groups, ISIS is really the worst of the worst and threat to everyone everywhere, which makes it all the more the shocking that it’s apparently found a friend in none other than Arizona Senator John McCain.

As Steve Clemons has pointed out in a blockbuster piece for the Atlantic, McCain, along with South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, has played a key role in getting the Saudi Arabians and the Qataris, our allies, to arm rebel groups in Syria that are fighting the Iranian-backed government of Bashar al-Assad.

Publicly, the Saudis and the Qataris say they’re only sending weapons to “moderate” rebel groups like the Free Syrian Army, but they’ve also reportedly been arming more extreme groups - groups like the Al-Nusra Front and, you guessed it, ISIS.

According to Clemons, ISIS was a “Saudi pet project” and support for the group may have reached all the way to the top of the Saudis’ version of the CIA. He says that “ISIS, in fact, may have been a major part of [former Saudi intelligence chief Bandar bin Sultan’s] covert-ops strategy in Syria.” This isn’t some crazy conspiracy theory, either. As Clemons points out, John McCain’s connections to the Saudis are well documented, and during an interview with CNN’s Candy Crowley a few months ago, he went out of his way to praise both the Saudis and Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

Now, we don’t know whether or not John McCain knew that he was helping the Saudis arm ISIS, and my guess is that he didn’t know, but that’s a separate issue. The important point here is that intentionally or not, John McCain may have just set us up for another 9/11. ISIS has its sights on Iraq and Syria right now, but there are reports that it’s threatened to attack targets in the West as well.

This is history repeating itself in the worst possible way. Back in the 1980s, the CIA, the Saudis, and the Pakistanis worked together to fund the mujahideen in Afghanistan. The mujahideen were radical Islamists, but we thought it was worth it to support them because it was the Cold War and they were fighting the Soviets, who had invaded Afghanistan in 1979.

Here in the U.S., the guy most responsible for getting us to support the mujahideen was a playboy Texas Congressman named Charlie Wilson, who, like John McCain, thought he was just trying to help people fight for “democracy.” You might have heard of Wilson because Tom Hanks played him in a 2007 movie about the CIA’s support for the mujahideen called Charlie Wilson’s War.

Whatever good intentions Charlie Wilson may have had, his plan backfired and it backfired badly. Our support for the mujahideen against the Soviets - just like our support for the Khmer Rouge against the Viet Cong and our support for the Contras against the Sandinistas - had a huge blowback effect. You see, one of the people who we and the Saudis armed back in the 1980s was a rich Saudi named Osama bin Laden, who, like a lot of Muslim radicals from all over the world, saw the fight against the Soviets as a chance to prove his worth as a holy warrior.

Bin Laden went on to form a group known as “The Base” out of the remnants of his Saudi-backed mujahideen force. You probably know “The Base” by its Arabic name: Al-Qaeda. The rest, as they, is history.

There’s an old saying that those who don’t remember their past are doomed to repeat it, and if we’re not careful with what’s going in the Middle East right now, we are going to see a repeat of what happened just two decades after we armed the mujahideen in the 1980s.

In today’s real-life remake of Charlie Wilson’s War, John McCain is playing the role of Charlie Wilson and Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, the head of ISIS, is playing the role of Osama bin Laden. It’s only a matter of time before this remake, like all remakes of crappy movies, comes to a crashing, disastrous end.

You heard it here first: John McCain might have just set us up for the next 9/11.

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Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
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Quote hartmann: The important point here is that intentionally or not, John McCain may have just set us up for another 9/11.
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There’s an old saying that those who don’t remember their past are doomed to repeat it, and if we’re not careful with what’s going in the Middle East right now, we are going to see a repeat of what happened just two decades after we armed the mujahideen in the 1980s.

There is also another old saying: "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...it's most likely...a duck."

The WTC buildings looked like demolitions (squibs, complete smooth collapse to the ground at near free fall speed), had lots of other evidence that they were demolitions (angle cut vertical beams, nano-thermite residue, etc), and sounded just like demolitions (boom, boom, boom, boom...as reported by firemen...first responders). And if they were demolitions, then.... it was an inside job.

As people, over the years, start to question what our leaders, and their puppet masters, are doing to this country...so much so that they begin to put up resistance to getting involved, again, in the affairs of other countries, McCain, et al (and not just the Republicans), may just do another 9/11 to whip people back into their jingoistic trances once again. Nothing works like a nice false flag operation that kills thousands of Americans.

There have been many "false-flag" operations in our history: Gulf of Tonkin, Lusitania, USS Maine in Cuba, etc.

http://www.911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html

I added to the comments on "Dick Cheney Should Be Rotting In the Hague, Not Writing Editorials" concerning 9/11.

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Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#2

So, after more than 10 years squandering trillions of dollars, what have we accomplished? We made millions of more enemies that would like to see us burn. So, you'd think that the military industrial complex and our politicians would hang their heads in shame, tail dragging between their legs (as all Jackals might). But guess what? They, like sly foxes, managed to raid the chicken coop and stole from 99% of the people. They don't want peace and friendly neighbors...they want continuous mayhem and war and continual creation of enemies...the more the better. Because "enemies" are the excuse they have to keep us all very afraid. War makes the prices that they charge at the gas station and the grocery stores at exorbitant levels. It gives the MIC the excuse of ripping off the taxpayers. It gives the politicians more bullshit fodder to keep those donations from corporations from drying up.

The ruling elite would love nothing better than to have a sensational attack on America to keep Americans afraid and stupid. And if they don't get an attack, they will engineer one like they did on 9/11. They can easily get more Muslim patsies to "hijack" more airliners...or carry a "CIA provided" suitcase Nuke into some city where they may either intercept and hoot about their success; or, let it actually go off - if they really wanted to scare the crap out of people for a lasting psycho-manipulating experience. The patsies, if they "hijack" a plane or planes, don't even have to know how to fly them....our high tech remotely controlled hijack and guidance systems will guide those "hijacked" planes to their targets...as they did on 9/11.

If people can't watch 3 demolitions in a row and at least sense that something is not right with the official government 9/11 conspiracy theory, then our corrupt government will surely do it again...in some form.

It just might be a very good idea for people to just stay home, don't go shopping, and above all...stay out of tall buildings or very crowded spaces like football stadiums.

Thom says it will happen again and I think he is right...but Thom's slant was that it will all be because we have ticked off people enough to want to do a jihad on us. I think it will be because our own criminal leaders will orchestrate it... like they did on 9/11. It will be another "inside job".

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harmonious1 7 years 22 weeks ago
#3

The best way to combat this threat may be to cut off their source of weapons and their money to buy them.

Better to do this diplomatically than with military.

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johnbest 7 years 22 weeks ago
#4

The Cock Brothers father Fred went to the Soviet Union in the 1930's and built refineries for our friend Josef Stalin. In 1939, our friend Adolf Hitler signed a treaty with Stalin who supplied him with gasoline and diesel. Adolf used this fuel to attack Western Europe killing thousands and bombing the shit out of London. THE COCK MONEY IS BLOOD MONEY. Now they are using it to castrate America like good libertarians do. These two bastards need to be removed from this country and their Blood Money confiscated before they do any more damage. I have had it with slimy bastards lke the Cockroach Brothers. et al.

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Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#5
Quote hartmann:If you made a list of the nastiest people on earth, ISIS would top the list.

I bet they haven't killed or maimed as many people, including innocent civilians and children as the world worst terrorist organization has...I'm referring to the US Military.

Tonycohenster 7 years 22 weeks ago
#6

The Kochs and their ilk are classic fascists, having killed millions by omni centric strategies and tactics causing today's economic stranglehold on the old, sick and poor.

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delster 7 years 22 weeks ago
#7

In the Book "Art of War" it clearly points out that one of the most strategic things is to "Know Your Enemy". John McCain clearly does not know our enemy. 9-11 is still a physics equation in defiance of

Newtons Law.

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2950-10K 7 years 22 weeks ago
#8

Does anybody truly believe McCain's motive is help Middle Easterners fight for Democracy when he and his ilk have done everything they can to dismantle ours? It's all about self puffery, money and power. Scoundrels like him don't give the slightest crap about ordinary citizens here or over there.

Thom made a comment today regarding illegal immigrants that should be repeated over and over again...... arrest the rich American white guys who enslave the illegals and watch the problem disappear....not his exact words, but close I think.

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Arrgy 7 years 22 weeks ago
#9

I've been amazed at how many times the republicans leek national security secrets as they ride their hate wagon. There really aren't any adults among them. It's like they start their morning in their garage, with the motor running for 15 minutes!

From Plame, to the Benghazi/CIA opperation to this war monger, stuck in the culture of the MIC, shooting off his trap. They got to the maverick. Republicans are like our uncorralled children, in Tiffany's.

We're a 59%/41% majority and they keep cheating us. Yes, they just lost a point over Iraq.

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Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#10
Quote hartmann:History is repeating itself in the worst possible way,...
Obama has sent "advisers" into Iraq...remember when "advisers" were sent into Vietnam? Was it McCain who sent these advisers into Iraq? Was it McCain who kept the American torture camps in Gitmo open? Was it McCain who kept our troops over in Afghanistan and Iraq? Yes, the Republicans are the scourge of the earth but the Democrats are certainly not without sin. As we know, first it is the advisers, then it is the troops.

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Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#11

By the way, I know that Windows 8 has been around for a while but I have had nothing to do with it until a friend who just bought one asked me to set it up. I've briefly played with them in stores but most of my experience is with Windows XP, Windows 7, and Linux. I am now getting educated about some of the things that is quite annoying about it.

I tried to install the Windows card games, which was standard on Windows 7, but in Windows 8 you have to download it from Microsoft. But before you can do that you have to open a Microsoft Account. But after you open an MS account, I found out that I couldn't log on to the lap top unless it was connected to a wireless (or ethernet) internet connection to Microsoft first. What the heck? I can't even log in to the lap top offline? Once you set up to a Microsoft Account you can't log in offline.

So I found out that you have to be in the Local Account in order to log in to the lap top offline. There is a way to do it, pretty simple really (most things are simple if you know how), but since now they sell lap tops without a manual (and without a backup or recovery disk) it is not easy to RTFM (Read The F----g Manual). I could, maybe, download it from another computer, I guess. But for some people buying these laptops, it may be the only computer they have. There is a "Recovery" partition on these laptops but that is internal. I'd feel a lot better getting an external recovery disc like they used to provide. Of course you can't do that with a backup CD because some laptops, now called notebooks, don't have CD or DVD drives. You could still use USB drives.

I noticed just how strongly Microsoft is pushing "the cloud" where even if you have encrypted your files...they are still not in your possession like it would be on your own private external storage drives. Your files could be, and probably are, being monitored by the government or even hackers.

They are trying really hard to sell "the cloud". You can't even play simple card games anymore on your computer unless you compromise your security. Because they want you to get hooked into a Microsoft Account and expose yourself to "the cloud". They say "but what if your house burns down or blows away in a tornado". What if you download an app that has a trojan in it.

Yeah, right, keep a backup storage drive in your car (encrypted, of course). Bury one in your back yard. But don't be foolish enough to trust "the cloud". Microsoft and TPM 2.0 is a combination for Big Brother to spy on you.

Quote pcworld:Is Windows 8 a Trojan horse for the NSA? The German Government thinks so
The German Government is now deeply suspicious that the Trusted Platform Module (TPM) technology built into a growing number of Windows 8 PCs and tablets is creating a gigantic back door for NSA surveillance, leaked documents have suggested.

TPM has been marketed as a security technology since its appearance in 2006, but version 2.0 would embed a chip on every PC that has complete control over which programs can and can’t run, a setting that can’t be over-ridden under Windows 8.

Major Universities don't teach or use Windows operating systems....they use Linux operating systems.

So, if the sheeple all use, predominantly, Windows spy machines (especially the newer versions like Windows 8) and/or found themselves, unwittingly perhaps, using "the cloud" then what better way of keeping people oppressed. I wonder what Windows 10, that is supposed to come out in 2015, will look like. We'll have Windows 10 monitors hanging on our walls with Big Brother chiding us for not saying our prayers last night or for not doing our morning saluting the flag and reciting the pledge of allegiance. Book burning in the afternoon! Evening decapitations of dissidents in the city square.

By the way, I noticed that cryptome.org is down again...I am wondering if the government put pressure on Network Solutions to take John Young down again as they have done in the past. What juicy thing did John post that the government didn't want us to read or see? In 2010, Microsoft was ticked off that he posted Microsoft information that showed how Microsoft was cooperating with the government spying operation. And they knocked cryptome.org off-line for a while.

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Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#12

The trick is that the Republicans will continue to be such hated bogeymen (and bogeywomen) that it will drive people to feel sorry for the Democrats..for Obama...despite the fact that they have not really come across for us as they hyped in their campaigns. And then, when the Democrats get reelected, they will continue to do the bidding of their puppet masters...the ruling elite. Electing or re-electing more Democrats is not the solution...they'll still continue to sell us out. The Republicans will do it overtly but, the Democrats do it covertly. It's a rigged game!

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Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#13

I suspect that there are powerful people in those Middle East countries, eg: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, that don't really want to see the US Military leave those countries. They have made lots of money off of the US presence. And when the US threatens to leave, it wouldn't surprise me that they stir up lots of mayhem in order to sucker the US back in. That also goes for the Military Industrial Complex....they have a very strong interest in staying involved militarily in those countries. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some kind of collusion between our MIC and their insurgents like ISIS. Seems like there is a pattern here! The US supports the Mujahideen against the Russians, leaves lots of weapons and artillery costing US taxpayers an arm and a leg. Then the Neocons and the CIA uses Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to do a false flag operation in the US (9/11). Al Qaeda was used as US proxy fighters in other places and now in Syria. The US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq again and "tries" to pull out of Iraq leaving behind lots of expensive arms and armaments costing US taxpayers lots of money. Pentagon misplaces billions of dollars...yeah, right! And, as Americans balk at the prospect of sending back in more troops, the conniving bastards just might do another 9/11 to frighten Americans back to the jingoist fold.

Another outcome will be the total collapse of the US as we have known it. All empires have fallen before. They overextended themselves and made so many enemies that they couldn't maintain their empires.

Quote Wayne Madsden for strategic-culture.org:Now, over a decade later, the Obama administration is dusting off the Bush administration’s playbook and using it on the government of Bashar al Assad of Syria… The Obama administration first showed its neo-conservative traits when it justified NATO and Gulf Arab intervention in the Libyan rebellion against Muammar Qaddafi as falling under its «responsibility to protect» civilians being attacked by Qaddafi’s forces.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2013/08/26/deja-vu-and-syrian-chem...

Quote Wayne Madsden for newageislam.com:
It is clear, once again, that the West is using Al Qaeda as a proxy force to destabilize the Sahel in the interest of a later full-scale military intervention on the terms of NATO and the [Persian]Gulf Cooperation Council. The casualties will be the people of the region, not the billionaire potentates who direct such activities from their luxurious palaces in Riyadh, Jeddah, Doha, Abu Dhabi, and Dubai.

http://www.newageislam.com/islam-and-the-west/us-uses-al-qaeda-to-foment...

Yes, history repeats itself especially when people can't seem to question authority and react against it sufficiently enough to actually change history.

stripey7 7 years 22 weeks ago
#14

Great comment, with one caveat: you repeat the canard that US aid to the mujahedin was begun in response to a Soviet invasion -- when, in reality, this aid was begun in 1979 under President Carter five months *before* the Soviet invasion. His National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski admitted this in an interview he gave *Le Nouvel Observateur* In 1998.

Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#15

stripey7: Thanks for the info...I had not heard this...I'll check it out.

By the way, the last paragraph of my #12 about cryptome.org being down. It is still down but I found this:
Cryptome
Cryptome is temporarily down due to discovery our provider NetSol of a single suspected PHP file which has been removed. Should be up soon.
1 day ago
http://www.toptweet.org/user/cryptomeorg

Lots of links to "sensitive" info there left by various entities.

I did a search on cryptome and then clicked on the "cached" (the down arrows) to read some of the things that were cached by Google recently on the cryptome web site. I ran across the above web site which set me straight on why cryptome was down.

Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#16

stripey7: Ok, great, I found it! Thanks! Wow! So, now, maybe we can attribute the fall of the iron curtain, not to Reagan, but to Jimmy Carter? ;-} And I thought that old peanut farmer was a peacenik at heart. He was probably just like some of the other Dems that thought they could change things but found out who the real bosses were once they were elected. Or, maybe I'm just being a Pollyanna, giving the Dems too much credit for being duped. Democracy, as it is... especially now, is just an illusion and no matter who wins in the two party system, the ruling elite will get just what they want. They only have to play that two party game to keep the masses beguiled long enough, and hopeful and confused enough, while they raid the cookie jar. Once they have those drones laden with hell-fire missiles flying over American skies, they won't have to worry about a revolution of the masses.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

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Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#17

Recently released Wikileaks Analysis Article - Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex
2014-06-19

The Financial Services Industry Sees The Following As Obstacles and seeks change through TISA

1.limits on the size of financial institutions (too big to fail);
2.restrictions on activities (eg deposit taking banks that also trade on their own account);
3.requiring foreign investment through subsidiaries (regulated by the host) rather than branches (regulated from their parent state);
4.requiring that financial data is held onshore;
5.limits on funds transfers for cross-border transactions (e-finance);
6.authorisation of cross-border providers;
7.state monopolies on pension funds or disaster insurance;
8.disclosure requirements on offshore operations in tax havens;
9.certain transactions must be conducted through public exchanges, rather than invisible over-the counter operations;
10.approval for sale of ‘innovative’ (potentially toxic) financial products;
11.regulation of credit rating agencies or financial advisers;
12.controls on hot money inflows and outflows of capital;
13.requirements that a majority of directors are locally domiciled;
14.authorisation and regulation of hedge funds; etc.

http://wikileaks.org/tisa-financial/analysis.html

Thanks to WikiLeaks, public can debate alarming new trade deal--- by David Cay Johnston --Al Jazeera--June 23, 2014
"Big Business and national governments wanted to conceal the terms of the proposed Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) while keeping consumers, unions, environmentalists and the vast majority of businesses in the dark. Thanks to WikiLeaks, they failed."

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/6/wikileaks-trade-inservicesa...

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Aliceinwonderland 7 years 22 weeks ago
#18

Cheney, Rove, Baby Bush, McCain… These guys are friggin' dangerous. Not only because of their violent, bullying ways, but because of their short-sightedness and stupidity. That is what landed us 9-11. Long as that crowd has any influence on our interactions with the rest of the world, we'll have hell to pay.

Saudi Arabia and the Saudi royal family disgust me no end. That country is to women what South Africa once was to blacks. I know it's uncouth to criticize other cultures, but from where I sit, any culture that oppresses and abuses a segment of its own population (especially a segment as large as females comprise!) is fair game. That McCain and the Bushies have been so warm & fuzzy with the Saudi Royals is pretty fucking nauseating. It reflects very poorly on those guys and speaks volumes about where they are coming from.

I am sick to death of all this engagement with and obsession over the Middle East. I wish we'd just stayed the hell away from there. We've such a big-ass mess to clean up here in our own back yard. Now thanks to these neocon oil drone klepto-turds, we have to worry about ISIS and another 9-11. (Thanks a crap load, McCain!) I think it also speaks volumes about the lack of integrity among our so-called leaders, that they would decide it was "worth it" to team up with Islamist fanatics like the "mujahideens" just because they were fighting the Soviets, and our "leaders" had this dumb-ass Cold War thing going on. Just the kinds of dynamics I'd expect from a bunch of adolescents high on testosterone, taking sides in a juvenile schoolyard pissing contest. I think the affairs of the world are WAY too influenced by testosterone.

Thom, do you really believe this no-count playboy from Texas gave a rat's ass about "democracy" for Arabs? Come on. Wilson and his ilk don't even care about "democracy" for Americans! Yet we're supposed to believe they're passionate about "democracy" for Arabs?!!! Gimmie a break. These guys' plans ALWAYS "backfire and backfire badly". They create unholy monsters like Osama bin Laden with all their meddling and manipulating and bullying, but they're never the ones to pay the bloody price.

I am fed up with our government wasting valuable time and resources manipulating the political affairs of other countries around the globe, installing fascist puppet dictators wherever it suits their unholy agenda, and all under the pretense of "democracy", while our own country goes to hell in a hand basket and we taxpayers keep picking up the tab. I wish all of us American small fry could unite one of these years, come mid-April, and stage a massive TAX BOYCOTT. I for one am sick of paying for this stupid shit. I'm even sicker of watching generation after generation of young Americans marching off to fight in these rich old mens' imperialist fucking wars. Our hard-earned cash and our lives are worth a heap more than this. Wake up America! - Aliceinwonderland

Arrgy's picture
Arrgy 7 years 22 weeks ago
#19

There is a clear sollution, Pal. Vote Progressive. They don't take corporate money and are as loyal to the people as can be.

Arrgy's picture
Arrgy 7 years 22 weeks ago
#20

Let's not forget the strong grip the MIC has on any president.

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Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#21

Arrgy: I agree! ;-}

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Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#22

Aliceinwonderland: And for the King of Saudi Arabia to keep his grown daughters prisoners out of spite for his wife leaving him is just really shitty. I hope they are still alive!

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Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#23
Quote cryptome.org: Cryptome sees the Web.com and NetSol suspension of Cryptome.org without prior notice to be as illegal and vicious as an attack by government, corporation, hacker or spy, and the attack is suspected of being on behalf of those who hope to censor and close sites like Cryptome using craven and shallow technical justifications.

Use of technical rationales to unpremeditatedly attack and censor are now commonplace by telecommunications providers, similar to the technical transgressions against the public by NSA and FBI, blessed by secret FISC orders and willful secret cooperation of service providers. This is an instance of that violation of customer trust.

On June 23, 2014 at 12:57 PM Cryptome received an email notification of suspension of service from Web.com's Network Solutions claiming a single PHP file has been discovered which posed a malware threat..
.....
Cryptome considers the way this instance has been handled as an unjustified attack by Web.com and Network Solutions, in effect, unwarranted censorhip. No other of several ISP shutdowns and attacks on Cryptome over 18 years has been as sudden and unresponsive.
.....
Cryptome operates several sites, twelve of them with NetSol, all of them except Cryptome.org, as well as sites hosted by other ISPs, like this site, remain open.

Unless Webcom-NetSol ends its unpremeditated suspension policy Cryptome will terminate its NetSol services and urge others to do the same against any ISP which assaults customers openly or secretly.

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chuckle8 7 years 22 weeks ago
#24

2950 -- I like they way you say it better than just saying please enforce the immigration laws we currently have.

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Aliceinwonderland 7 years 22 weeks ago
#25

I agree, PD. There's no meaner fascist than a stone-age fascist. I can't imagine why his wife would leave him! Tut-tut. - AIW

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Palindromedary 7 years 22 weeks ago
#26

Aliceinwonderland: Yeah, I can't imagine either...with all those other wives....I guess it takes a special kind of woman to get along with all those other "sister-wives" and their little brats too! ;-}

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Aliceinwonderland 7 years 22 weeks ago
#27

Gag me.

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chuck1949 7 years 20 weeks ago
#28

As a veteran and an employee of an intelligence agency, the cause of 9/11 lies more in the severe cuts across the board in of intelligence organizations and Defense Department than in funding of foreign groups. There are numerous causes for the 9/11 disaster. The popular view was to cut the Defense spending and pump money into domestic programs. This money was pumped into political party pet projects and not into education or infastructure improvements. The spending went into programs to gain votes. But that is off my point, complacency after the success the first Gulf and reduced intelligence capabilities were the main causes for 9/11.

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chuck1949 7 years 20 weeks ago
#29

Alice,

I don't know where to start. Preparations for 9/11 started during Clinton's first term. 9/11 was not Clinton's or Bush's fault. Whether you believe or not, there are evil people in this world, who for their own advancement. Sadam Hussien and Ben Laden wanted to control the Middle East's oil to dominate the world through by crimpling their economies. Neither man cared one bit for their followers or any country's people. They murdered and killed anybody who they thought would help them gain greater power. Thus, 9/11 was planned and carried out. 9/11 did not happen in the Middle East but in New York City. It had nothing to due with American policies. Most people in the Middle East know little or nothing about our country.

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Palindromedary 7 years 20 weeks ago
#30
Quote chuck1949: As a veteran and an employee of an intelligence agency, the cause of 9/11 lies more in the severe cuts across the board in of intelligence organizations and Defense Department than in funding of foreign groups.
Well, chuck1949, "on the internet, no one knows that you're really a dog". (I'm not calling you a dog...just an expression). Anyone can claim that they worked for an intelligence agency. Actually, I have too (indirectly). I've worked at many high security places like the Pentagon (and for many agencies within the Pentagon), the CIA at Langley, DIA, FBI and many more. But then no one can really know if that is really the truth, either...I might just be a dog claiming all those things.

Quote chuck1949: The popular view was to cut the Defense spending and pump money into domestic programs. This money was pumped into political party pet projects and not into education or infrastructure improvements.

I know that it was the "excuse" that there were cuts and that various departments didn't readily share their data with other departments, mostly because they were "protecting" their own territories, which is what they claim resulted in the lack of security that might have prevented 9/11. That's a lot of bullsh1t! There were a number of FBI agents that were on to the alleged hijackers (patsies who were set up by having them take flight lessons and making a spectacle of themselves to draw attention to themselves.)
And they made their reports to headquarters and their bosses just ignored it all...buried it. The Bush administration did a lot of bullying of the security agencies all to make this all happen...all so they could created another "Pearl Harbor" in order to whip people into line through fear and confusion caused by the so-called "terrorist attack" and from their lies of mushroom clouds.

All of the clues lead back to the fact that 9/11 was an inside job. It was planned and orchestrated using patsies to take the fall for it all. Those planes were electronically hijacked and guided to their targets. The technology to do that has been around a long time. The technology to blow up those buildings, like that, was in existence for at least 10 years prior to 9/11. Nanothermite, evidence of which was in the 4 dust samples around the WTC site, was invented in Livermore National Labs and NIST knew full well what it could do but chose to dance around and evade the possibility of nanothermite, or any other explosives, as a cause of the demolitions.

And your argument that money was starving the various security programs in favor of social programs, especially during the Bush Administration, is not very believable. And, I'm sure they are, even now, trying to make that claim even though they are spending billions of dollars on spying centers like the one in Utah and still wasting fortunes in trying to push their weight around in the Middle East.

Even Clinton, on his way out, gave away the store to wealthy Wall Streeters and Banksters after all, they had Clinton by the balls didn't they. . Bush immediately cranked up military spending..because he was dead set on finding an excuse to invade Iraq. In fact, the Neocons' Project for the New American Century (PNAC) had stated, prior to 9/11 that: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"**

Social programs since Reagan have bit the dust because it was their aim to make government (including social programs) so small that they could drown it in a bathtub). They weren't doing that to those programs that continued to make the obscenely wealthy elite even more obscenely wealthy...like those who profited from war and spying on us all.

** Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

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Palindromedary 7 years 20 weeks ago
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Quote chuck1949: Preparations for 9/11 started during Clinton's first term. 9/11 was not Clinton's or Bush's fault. Whether you believe or not, there are evil people in this world, who for their own advancement.

Yes, I agree...the preparations for 9/11 did start in the Clinton era...and probably before. But it was the Neocons who did the planning. (re: PNAC) And I agree that there are evil people in this world, who did this for their own advancement...like the Neocons. Remember, one of the things that was ticking off the western oil companies and the Neocons was that Saddam Husein was threatening to go off of the petro-dollar and looking to other countries like Russia and China because the assholes in the US had pushed their weight around one too many times. Also, there was the issue of the pipeline the US wanted to put through Afghanistan and the Taliban was playing hardball which Bush and his oil buddies didn't like. The Bush regime had even made threats that "if they didn't accept our 'carpet of gold' that we'd give them a 'carpet of bombs'. This was an outright threat made prior to 9/11. If any other country had made such a threat to the US, the US would do a pre-emptive attack on that country..with the excuse that war threats had been made against them....and were justified in attacking.

Quote chuck1949: It had nothing to due (sic) with American policies. Most people in the Middle East know little or nothing about our country.
It had everything to do with American policies. Anyone, who has been paying attention to the US violence (murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians...many children) in the Middle East over these past 11 years, and how trillions of dollars have just mysteriously vanished, and the US torture prisons where they tortured prisoners (many were innocent and were just turned in as terrorists by neighbors who didn't like them or who were paid a ransom for them).

I think that many Americans now have their doubts about just how "just" our illegal invasion and occupation of the Middle East has been. They are coming to realize how they have been hoodwinked, and made fools of, by the Neocon menace and the blood-money villains that profit so well from murdering and maiming people.

I am also wondering when our manipulators will stage another 9/11 to scare people back into line again. Will they electronically hijack more airliners, along with some patsies, and crash into yet more buildings? Or will they do something even scarier...like stage a chemical or nuclear attack somewhere in the US? A dirty bomb, maybe? The more people they kill, the more they will scare the crap out of their citizens once again. What will the American citizens give up yet again when/if that happens?

I even wonder about the new "terrorists" called Isis. There are the leaders and wealthy people in top positions in these countries who have made out very well with aid from the US. With the US leaving, say Iraq, maybe the two factions that don't want the US to leave are those very wealthy and powerful Iraqis and the US military industrial complex and right wing politicians. Since the US is always using(in league with) those who, on the one hand they call "terrorists"...(like Al Qaeda)...and then fund and support them against other countries/governments they don't like (like Syria) is it too far fetched to believe that these "terrorists" are also being used by the Neocons in the US to manipulate the citizens....like in getting them to believe that a little bearded man sitting in a cave in Afghanistan planned 9/11 and that he sent those Muslim men to do a jihad on the US?

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Palindromedary 7 years 20 weeks ago
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Quote chuck1949:Most people in the Middle East know little or nothing about our country.
I'd bet that they know a whole hell of a lot more about the US than US citizens know about them. I believe that there's nothing dumber than a US citizen when it comes to knowing the cultures of other countries...when it comes to geography...to language..and they take the prize in xenophobia and arrogance. I've traveled a lot and even lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for a few years and did several around the world tours so I've been to a lot of countries. And when I was in the military, I also went to a lot of places around the world. I've gotten a pretty good idea of what other people around the world think of Americans (USians).

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Aliceinwonderland 7 years 20 weeks ago
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Yes Chuck1949, there are evil people in the world. Like Bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz et cetera. It is their evil deeds that have provoked so much of this terrorist blowback. Bush, Cheney and their goons have murdered hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people who they perceived to be obstacles to their self-serving agenda. Those guys are all about their own "advancement". They are nothing but war criminals and thugs. So much of what you've said about Sadam Hussien and Bin Laden could just as easily be said about Bush and all his fascist goons.

Please don't misunderstand me! I'm no fan of Hussien or Bin Laden's either. I would've liked to see ALL those guys from all three countries thrown into a pit together, just so they can duke it out amongst themselves and leave the rest of the world out of it.

I don't agree with your assertion that 9-11 had nothing to "due" with American policies. To the contrary, they had everything to do with America's kleptocratic, murderous foreign policies. What goes around comes around! You know, the ole boomerang effect...

Baby Bush couldn't wait to get his thieving hands on Iraqi oil so that he and his fascist buddies could control the world and its economy. When I attended a dinner party at my mother's house a few months after the twin tower attacks, I commented that 9-11 was the best day in Bush's career. (That got some of her liberal friends all in a huff.) To this very day, I'll stand by that statement. For years, Bush wanted to invade Iraq and 9-11 was just too convenient for him... even though Iraq had nothing to do with it. Just capitalizing on American ignorance, I guess. - Aliceinwonderland

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Palindromedary 7 years 20 weeks ago
#34

Why I Am Convinced 9/11 Was an Inside Job
By David Chandler--Physics Teacher

http://911speakout.org/wp-content/uploads/Why-I-Am-Convinced-revised.pdf

or if you want the html version:
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/874-why-i-am-convi...

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Palindromedary 7 years 20 weeks ago
#35

In fact, I believe that the seeds of 9/11 was even planned in 1962...it was called Operation Northwoods where the Joints Chiefs of Staff conjured up plans to crash a military plane, painted to look like an passenger airliner, into a tall building. This was meant to shock US citizens into being favorable to invading Cuba (which JFK wouldn't go along with...so he was terminated). Obviously, they didn't go through with that one. But it could very well have been that they finally went through with that idea on 9/11.

There was something, a pod(s), attached to the bottom of the planes that hit the WTC towers that are not normally on passenger airliners. Eyewitnesses testified to this and can also be seen in photos taken from the videos. Similar pods are, however, put onto military planes.

And there was also a strange flash near the nose when the planes hit the buildings. The nose of airliners are made of laminated fiber which can't explain why there was a bright flash as soon as the nose touched the buildings. It's a mystery. One likely cause is that it set off a charge that had been previously planted in the buildings. I can't say that this video evidence of a pod was attached to the underside of these planes or of the flash when the nose entered the buildings is any kind of hard evidence but they are anomalies that need to be investigated.

The whole 9/11 atrocity needs to be investigated by truly unbiased panels that aren't afraid of soiling their careers or threats of losing contracts and of people who can understand physics and science...not the right-wing clowns ilk of Popular Mechanics propaganda ill-repute.

The vertical beam angle cuts are shown and talked about at 28:00 minutes into the film.

And the video shows the scenes where Building 7 was being reported by both CNN and BBC to have already collapsed when it had not actually collapsed until about 20 minutes later. So, the cover story that had been released to the reporters about the WTC7, the Solomon Building, had been released too soon by people who knew the building was going to collapse (20 minutes or more before it did). In fact, you can see the building still standing when they reported that it had collapsed. OOPS! This is at about 32 minutes into the video.

And why is the FBI not allowing over 80 videos of the 9/11 attacks to be viewed by the American Public even to this day? They claim it is because of National Security. Yeah, right!

Here's a story about one of the major contractors in Iraq, Halliburton, who got paid to transport 82,000 gallons of fuel, using 10 trucks, for a distance of about 300 miles. In the US, a contractor said that they would charge about $3000. But if they were doing it for the government they would charge about 2 or 3 times that amount...lets say they charged $10,000. Halliburton charged the government $27.5 million to transport that fuel 300 miles in Iraq. What a taxpayer ripoff!!! And that is merely one example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bwThcdIoufc

http://rethink911.org/news/building-7-the-story-the-times-missed/

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chuckle8 7 years 20 weeks ago
#36

Pal -- I like what you say so much about 9/11, I hate myself when I suggest seeds of doubt. However, I can't stop myself. Do you know what was the composition of the explosives used to blow up the WTC in 1994? Next seed, if CNN and BBC were involved in the conspiracy, it is beyond my belief that any beauracy that large could have carried out the elaborate schemes that you describe.

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Aliceinwonderland 7 years 20 weeks ago
#37

I am sick of 9-11! How about giving it a rest? - AIW

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Palindromedary 7 years 20 weeks ago
#38

From Chapter 11 "The World Trade Center Bombers (1993)" by John V. Parachini: *
The World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993. (re: 72)

The prosecution, in 1994, of the terrorists was trying to make a case that was worse than it already was. That is, they were trying to "trump up" an even more sensational scare story about what happened.

It had been believed (by Judge Duffy) that the terrorists used Sodium Cyanide in the hopes that it would turn into Hydrogen Cyanide gas which would have, most likely, killed everyone in or near the building. But, the prosecution claimed, that the Sodium Cyanide burned off so was, luckily, unable to kill anyone. Of course 6 people were killed and many more were injured.

But, there was no forensic evidence to support the presence of sodium cyanide although very little forensic information, as to the contents of the bomb, could be ascertained due to the mess that it caused. So, most of what we know came from the purchase orders the terrorists made. Water and sewer lines were opened and flooded the area which "washed away" the potential forensic evidence.

This book is refuting that they used Sodium Cyanide although they probably would have if they could have. They used 13 different chemicals to create a 1500 pound urea-nitrate bomb. Seems to me that was the same kind of bomb that was used at the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing.

The terrorists were more inept and bumbling than would have been state-sponsored terrorists. It costs the terrorists about $10,000 and they even used coupons to minimize the cost of the chemicals. They even tried to claim the deposit back from the car rental agency after the bombing. Pretty stupid for sure! State-sponsored terrorists would have easily made the money available and they would have used less-bungling idiots for the job. But then, the 9/11 terrorists were not all that bright either...leaving a trail of brazen boasts and clues along their pre-911 trail.

It stands to note, as well, that all of the patsies that the FBI tricked, and aided, in attempting to do terrorist acts were not exactly very intelligent either. Then, the FBI would "catch" them and claim they saved the US from another terrorist attack. These people are nothing but opportunistic scum that seek to keep the public fooled into justifying their positions and to keep the criminal military, industrial, spying complex raking off scare money and blood money from the taxpayers.

One thing that stands out is that the bomb created a crater in the parking garage 200 feet by 100 feet and 7 stories deep. True, the towers were built with more massive steel beams in the lower floors and got less massive toward the top.

So, how could a more light-weight, collapsing upper structure cause all of those more massive beams below to collapse? Apparently, nothing was slowed down. It was like magic, defying physics, that those buildings all came down at close to the speed of free fall. The only way that could happen is if the more massive lower structures were timed to be removed just like they do in demolitions. They only way the buildings can come down and not tip over is if timed charges were placed just like in demolitions.

So,the 9/11 planes, hitting the upper floors, would leave much less weight (above the crash zone) than the bomb in 1993 cause the building to collapse (where the entire weight of the building was above the crater zone).

Why did WTC7, which NIST claims collapsed because only one vertical support beam gave way due to the heat of office fires?

8:46:30: Flight 11 crashes into the north face of the North Tower (1 WTC) of the World Trade Center, between floors 93 and 99.

9:03:02: Flight 175 crashes into the south face of the South Tower (2 WTC) of the World Trade Center, between floors 77 and 85.[15]

9:58:59: The South Tower collapses, 56 minutes after the impact of Flight 175.

10:28:22:[10] North Tower collapses, 1 hour and 42 minutes after the impact of Flight 11

10:28 +: 7 World Trade Center started burning after the collapse of the North Tower.

5:20:27: The penthouse on top of 7 World Trade Center crumbles apart, only about 6 seconds before the entire building would begin to collapse.

5:20:33: 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story building, collapses. fires lasted about 7 hours before WTC7 collapsed.

If office fires caused WTC7 to collapse...and it took 7 hours....then why did it take only less than an hour for WTC2, the south tower, to collapse?

WTC1 and WTC2 were crashed into by planes and had momentary jet fuel fires. They crashed into one side and the logic would demand that they should have, at least, bent over in the direction of where the planes crashed.

WTC7's fires were caused by WTC1 (the North Tower) and mostly affected only one side...so why didn't WTC7 bend over, or fall over to the "weakest" side. Why did all three buildings come straight down at near free fall speeds and look exactly like demolitions? WTC1 and 2 demolished from top down and WTC7 from bottom up. These things are very doable by controlled demolitions.

* http://cns.miis.edu/books/pdfs/toxter11.pdf

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