Time for America to dump "homeland"...

It’s time to do away with the word “homeland." As the situation with ISIS continues to escalate, and as worries about terrorist attacks on American soil continue to spread, we’re hearing the term “homeland” mentioned more and more.

Ever since it first stole the spotlight with the creation of the Department of Homeland Security in the months after 9/11, the term “homeland” has become ingrained in American society. But, as Chris Matthews pointed out on his MSNBC show recently, there’s something strange and creepy about the term.

Matthews said that, “It's a term used by the neocons, they love it. It suggests something strange to me. Like who else are we defending except America? Why don't you just say ‘America'? Why doesn't [Obama] say we defended against attacks against this country? As if we're facing some existential Armageddon threat from these people. Do you buy the phrase ‘homeland'? I never heard it growing up, never heard it in my adulthood. It's a new word. Why are we using it? Is there some other place we're defending? What are we talking about when we say ‘homeland'? What's it about?”

While Chris has really hit the nail on the head when it comes to the term “homeland,” it's important that you know, as Paul Harvey used to say, "the rest of the story" behind this “strange” term.

First, it’s really not a new word at all. In fact, it’s been around for a very long time and has a very dark history.

As Josh Marshall over at TPM pointed out, the term homeland, “really does have a deep blood and soil tinge to it which is distinctly Germanic, more than a touch un-American, and a little creepy.” That “blood and soil” that Marshall is referring to was one of the really big slogans of Hitler’s Nazi Germany. "Blood and soil - we Germans are the products of this earth, we are a race unique from all others."

Perhaps ironically, Hitler stole the term "homeland" from the 1920s and 1930s Zionist movement’s goal to create a Jewish "homeland" in the Middle East, Hitler wanted to create a "racial" identity for the German people that was tied to German soil. He wanted to create an identity that went beyond language and culture. He wanted to invent a "German race," and have Germany be that race’s “homeland,” all so he could sell to the German people their own racial superiority and use that to justify exterminating others.

So, in 1934, at the Nazi party's big coming-out event, the famous Nuremberg rally, Nazis introduced the term “homeland.” Prior to that, they'd always referred to Germany as "the Fatherland' or "the Motherland" or "our nation." But Hitler and his think-tank wanted Germans to think of themselves with what he and Goebbels viewed as the semi-tribal passion that the Zionists had for Israel.

So, in that most famous 1934 Nazi rally’s opening speech, Rudolph Hess, Hitler’s deputy Fuhrer, said that, “Thanks to your [Hitler’s] leadership, Germany will become the homeland. Homeland for all Germans in the world.” Of course, that’s the translated version. “Homeland” in German is “heimat”.

“Heimat” was used throughout the reign of Hitler and throughout World War II. Nazi’s loved the word, and attached it to everything they could, like the "Nazi Homeland Defense Forces," or the Heimwehr. But, immediately after Nazi Germany was defeated and World War II came to a close, the word all but disappeared from German vernacular. Post-war Germans were ashamed to use a word that stood for such terrible things.

Fast-forward nearly 70 years, and while Germans still won't say it, the word “homeland” is everywhere in the United States. Bush and Cheney rolled it out in a big way after 9/11, and our media managed to completely ignore the dark history of the word. But it's a history that carries with it a danger - the danger that we may begin to think of ourselves as an "exceptional" people, a "race apart" because of our national identification. That we may start to think of America as a "homeland."

It’s time to retire this artifact of the Nazi era. Let’s rename the Department of "Homeland" Security, and remove from America's self-description this dark, strange and creepy term.

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stecoop01 7 years 4 weeks ago
#1

For many years, since 9/11, I've been disturbed by the use of emotionally charged phrases, such as "Homeland Security" and "Patriot Act". Fascist governments have a long history of using emotionally charged phrases to influence public thinking, and rally support for causes that would otherwise be seen as undesirable. It's propaganda in its most insidious and subtle form.

And now the United States is following that path; it's all down hill from here.

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WMichaelGriffith 7 years 4 weeks ago
#2

I agree. I was out of the country on 9/11, and returned to a very different country on 9/14. It was almost immediately that I heard the word 'Homeland,' and I, too, found it creepy and a little Nazi-like. Not that Bush & Cheney would surprise me by using Nazi techniques to gin up passions that they could exploit. But I have always hated the word, and really would like to see disappear from our lexicon. We need to retire it, and all of the other awful things we came up with in response to that terrible attack.

Tom1945 7 years 4 weeks ago
#3

I've always hated that term. In addition to the German's "Fatherland", it reminds me of when the Soviets referred to "Mother Russia."

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orisdf 7 years 4 weeks ago
#4

I couldn't agree more with Thom's assessment. The word "heimat" has always suggested to me the Nazis and their interpretation and use of it. I was appalled when we decided to use it (actually the English translation of it) for one of our major security-related departments after 9/11. I hope peope pick up on this and retire the term "homeland" to the dustbin of history where it belongs. It is not the sort of imagery that we should be promoting.

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DAnneMarc 7 years 4 weeks ago
#5

Yes, lets erase this one word! Please! This word is a symptom, not a cause of any problem. Anyone who was paying attention in 2001 noticed a lot of 'symptoms.' First and foremost was the flipping of the stars on the Republican logo. Shortly after that 9/11. Then the "Patriot Act". After that the creation of The Department of 'Homeland' Security. (Like the FBI, CIA, and the NSA isn't already security overkill.) Then war declared on the wrong country. And finally, that fateful day when it was proudly announced and intentionally leaked to the entire world media that the United States now tortures it's prisoners--complete with a media package of pictures to support the story. After all, who would believe that the one nation that has condemned such behavior publically for over a century would stoop to such action without visual evidence.?

No, Thom! We have a much bigger problem here than using a creepy. spooky dark Nazi word. We have a creepy, spooky dark Nazi influence that has taken over our country; and, that is what we need to get rid of. Operation Paperclip has finally come back around to bite us on the ass.

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leighmf 7 years 4 weeks ago
#6

Another source says "homeland" also referred to "any of ten partially self-governing areas in South Africa designated for particular indigenous African peoples under the former policy of apartheid."

The Bush/Nazi connection was firmly established when the Thyssen funds managed by Prescott Bush in 1942 were ordered frozen by President Roosevelt.

I thought everyone knew H.S. was created so that the other security agencies wouldn't know what Cheney and old GHW were doing with their faction of the CIA.

"Homeland" is a nice name for eggs, dairy products, or bread. Perhaps the use of "Homeland" during Apartheid was what confused G.W. when he referred to "the African nation."

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joechef 7 years 4 weeks ago
#7

These terms, as well as putting ourselves in countries we are not welcome in, make others very resentfull of us.

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Aliceinwonderland 7 years 4 weeks ago
#8

But Joe... "putting ourselves in countries we are not welcome in..." That's what fascist empires do! It's the nature of the beast.

Thom, I appreciate your basic premise. But as far as I’m concerned, they can keep right on using that fascist language, because it shows their fascist colors. I suspect a few of those Nazi scumbags imbedded themselves in American culture and policy right after WWII, and there they remain! In my youth, even as cynical as the Vietnam War made me, I never would have guessed the breadth and scope of Nazi influence on American politics, nor would I have imagined how Nazi-friendly “My Country ’Tis Of Thee” actually was… and is, to this day.

Nearly half a century has passed since the last time I recited the pledge to the flag. At a town hall meeting last year, I was the only person in that crowded auditorium who remained seated. I will never participate in that insipid ritual again.

For a country that is merely two centuries old, the product of colonialism, genocide and land theft, “Homeland” also has a mighty pretentious ring to it. - AIW

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Bob_H 7 years 4 weeks ago
#9

If I remember correctly, the idea of the "homeland" actually goes back to the poet Hoelderlin, who wrote of the connection of the German people to their soil with religious reverence. His poems inspired Heidegger, Hitler and others, and the longing for the homeland became quite a romatic passtime for college-age youth in the early 1900's. Whatever its origins, its connotations have become odious, and I will be glad when they announce that department has been re-named properly!

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Strevell 7 years 4 weeks ago
#10

Does anyone watch the Showtime series. "Homeland". ? It has Claire Danes as one the main characters. As a show, I really enjoy the. Acting, the actors, the drama, the mystery and it really makes me think. Because it is called HOMELAND, my adult daughter will not watch it. It is a continuing series and I am caught up in this night time soap opera called HOMELAND. I don't feel that my watching it will hurt me, as it is like any exciting drama ~ but my daughter will not ....because of that nasty word: Homeland.. I do agree that we need to stay outa these countries, like stop unilateral global invasions.

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dblick 7 years 4 weeks ago
#11

Why stop at eliminating just the word 'homeland' or 'heimat'? Can we eliminate the entire Department of Homeland Security? What are they doing, other than tracking us, reading our emails, and acting like Big Brother?

I always thought that their main purpose was to get as many hackers as possible on the gov't payroll, pay 'em big bucks, and keep 'em busy snooping on us, instead of hacking the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex or Anonymous-type whistle-blowing.

Besides, we had all the intelligence capability that we needed to stop the 9-11 attacks. No need for a whole additional Department.

I can keep an eye on myself just fine, thank you.

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dblick 7 years 4 weeks ago
#12

Question:

When was the last U.S. military invasion/incursion that actually succeeded in making America and Americans more safe, without those "unintended consequences?"

Kalevala 7 years 4 weeks ago
#13

Didn't Senator Prescott Bush, the grandfather of Dubya, actively consort with the Nazis? Or at least "leverage" arms dealing with them...Not to mention The German-American Bund. Now that the Repubs have let that Right Wing Demonic hold sway, the "Nazi accoutrements" are sure to re-emerge. Isn't Bush One part of the Carlisle Corp? Aren't they International Arms Dealers? "War IS a Racket" (See, YouTube, Gen. Smedley Butler)

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Palindromedary 7 years 4 weeks ago
#14

Strevell: I have only watched part of one episode of Homeland but I had the same feelings toward the show as your daughter. To me, it smacked of right-wing NEOCON propaganda. I have not even watched FOX news for probably 15 years...always careful to skip over that channel. The only time I've watched parts of it was when short segments were posted on various web sites like Crooks and Liars or The Daily Show With Jon Stewart or The Colbert Report. The term Homeland Security has always ticked me off because it reminded me of Nazi Germany...and because I believe that the Neocons were primarily responsible for 9/11 to begin with. I believe they remotely, electronically, hijacked those planes and guided them to their targets, and used the 19 "hijackers" as patsies.

I suspect that they, the US ruling elite, are about to do another false flag attack on the US as a way of scaring us so badly that we won't object to sending in lots of boots-on-the-ground in the Middle East. And they will do so under the pretension of wiping out ISIS in Iraq and Syria. And, perhaps, they'll also take out Assad's Syrian forces, depose Assad, and maybe set up Iran for an attack as well. Will they attack ISIS in Iraq and then attack Syria like GB did when we struck Afghanistan initially but then invaded Iraq?

They are already setting us up by warning us that the attacks on the US by ISIS is now imminent. Very scary huh? So, if they make us expect an attack, and an attack happens, they'll have everyone shaking in their boots, putting on ridiculous little flag pins and patriotic signs in our yards. Will the US citizens be fooled once again? Most likely! Just stay out of tall buildings or shopping centers, perhaps. Don't go shopping as usual.

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Loren Bliss 7 years 4 weeks ago
#15

Mr. Hartman wrote: "...they'd always referred to Germany as 'the Fatherland' or 'the Motherland' or 'our nation.'"

Alas, this is incorrect. Only in Russia -- "Mother Russia" -- is the nation referred to as "the Motherland," rodina (pronounced rodin-ah) in Russian. This is significant for several reasons, not the least that it is a relic of pre-Christian times, even pre-patriarchal times, when the supreme deity was a goddess and the planet was her womb and physical body. More to the point, it establishes a psychodynamic connection between the motherhood provided by the environment and human motherhood the expressions of which are many and complex. Three examples should suffice: (1)- the event that triggered the Russian Revolution was a wildcat strike, on International Women's Day (by our calendar, 8 March 1917), by the 5,000 women employed by Petrograd's Lesnoy Textile Works; (2)-the Soviet Union was the first nation in the world (1918) to grant universal suffrage to women; (3)-during World War II, the Red Army's female corps of snipers became the deadliest such soldiers in all human history.

Quoth Lenin: "the experience of all liberation movements has shown that the success of a revolution depends on how much women take part in it."

By contrast, note how in the German Fatherland, the worst, most misogynistic aspects of patriarchy prevailed, even before the rise of Nazism -- which, as Shirer shows in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich -- was a specific product of German history rather than the anomaly it is claimed to be today.

Moreover, in the context of the direct, linear descendency from patriarchy to capitalism and thence to fascism and finally to Nazism, the notion of Germany and now the Western Ukraine as "Fatherland" is eerily appropriate. (Yes the same label is now applied by the supporters of the government in Kiev.)

As to the official U.S. Government use of "homeland," I find that particularly inapproprioate given we are a nation of immigrants who stole the land from its original inhabitants. Nevertheless, particularly given the fascist undertow in which our last vestiges of democracy are being methodically drowned, I cannot doubt the term is here to stay.

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Palindromedary 7 years 4 weeks ago
#16

There is a new show called Scorpion that is also about "Homeland Security". I watched the premier show last night and although it was big on all the things I'd be interested in (except Homeland Security)...computers...hackers...very smart people...I was immensely disappointed. The plot was crap and all of the references to various technological ideas they posited were totally ridiculous.

The show is based upon a real life person that was hired by Homeland Security and is supposed to have the 4th highest IQ in the world. In the show, he said that Einstein only had an IQ of 160 but he had an IQ of 194. He hacked into a NASA computer when he was just a young teen and was arrested. But then eventually went to work for Homeland Security.

So, as the show begins, O'brien is having his daily coffee at this cafe where his girl friend worked as a waitress. She was mother to a young 8 year old boy who was playing imaginary chess, at the counter, with some salt and pepper shakers and nobody knew what he was doing...they all thought he was mentally handicapped but O'brien watched him and started to play chess with him realizing, of course, that he was not handicapped but super intelligent...but in his own little world thinking of super intelligent things in his head.

When O'brien joins his other friends in the place where they hack...the Homeland Security guy, the same guy that arrested him as a young boy who hacked into NASA, now wants to hire him and his friends to figure out a way to stop 60 airliners from crashing because of a computer malfunction that affected the Air Traffic Control computers and the on board airliner computers ability to land. So, they all get into cars and find they don't have enough time to make it to the airport so they decide to set up a command center in the cafe where Obrien always has his coffee. Then O'brien has two of his group go to what looks like a garage with a heavy drop-down accordion style metal door, where a supercomputer that controlled all of the aircraft and ATC computers was located. They couldn't open the door so O'brien told the girl, over a cell phone, to find the nearest power control box and make sure that she made a 500,000 volt spike ...it couldn't be less or more...had to be 500,000 volts....so she rotated the main power switch which did the trick. They opened the door and found the module, among many modules ...a server module. They pulled it out and rushed it to the "command center"..the cafe...but they found that the contents was erased by an electrical signal when they had exited through the door. I won't even tell you what comes next...it's so stupid. O'brien and his girl friend manage to save the day...I mean, the planes, in the nick of time.

Oh, well, at least Person of Interest is back on for it's season premier tonight. That is a show that tends to try to make spying on us not such a bad thing because it saves lives...even though it snoops on people. I wonder if Homeland Security was behind that Show as well. But I like it and the plots are fairly reasonable and really not too far fetched in light of what we know "they" are capable of now.

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Strevell 7 years 4 weeks ago
#17

I am NOT RIGHT WING. My spouse and I enjoy the show Homeland. It had a love story and teenagers dealing with life, etc. it can even be humorous. The CIA operatives have a f**k you attitude to there upper bosses. Defiance.

We watch it ^ purely for entertainment. I don't see how we are doing anything wrong by watching it......I mean we are not right wing and we still do not ever watch FAUX NEWS. WE SEE CLIPS ON THE DAILY SHOW AND Colbert making fun of FAUX news..

How will the current bombs, missiles, etc. FIND "ISIS? Or as Stephen Colbert says: the French call them all "Daesh"

richinfolsom 7 years 4 weeks ago
#18

The terror of 9/11 was not from the attack - something that was known and preventable - and relied on words like "homeland" and the first thing we might see is a mushroom cloud. The 900 page Patriot Act was dusted off the shelf and nearly unaminously adopted by Congress in a reach of power that should make any Tea Partier shudder while Saudis were quietly ushered out of the former United States - now simply referred to as the homeland. From the first moment I heard the word, it rang the theme of the Nazis - leading to the invasion of a country which had not hung to do with 9/11.

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RichardofJeffer... 7 years 4 weeks ago
#19

So, if I understand Thom’s article correctly, his big problems with Department of Homeland Security is the name? The fact that DHS is publicly subsidized center for distributing public funds to private corporate security firms, and you’d think, this would be Thom’s initial problem with this unjustifiable institution of power. Rebranding DHS does make more sense than actually fundamentally changing the institution, or eliminating its illegitimate existence altogether, but hey, who has time for that?

How about changing the name to the Department of Fluffy Kittens and Big Eyed Puppies Security; does that make Chris Matthews more comfortable? Philip Morris and Blackwater changed their name, and still operate their institution in same profit over people fashion. DHS could change its name to DFKBEPS, and still operate as a fascist institution of public funding to private corporations, but Mr. Matthews will now have the peace of mind knowing that Kittens and Puppies are safe under the protection of DFKBEPS.

Thom this article is a fail. Boo!

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Frosty46 7 years 4 weeks ago
#20

I was reminded of the book "1984" and movie after the 9-11 attack upon America by the Rightwing Nazi among us. Today we are to believe the BS of ISIS which was created in answer to the coming budget cuts to "defense" spending. Sadly the criminals who run this nation will again have their way and profit to the tune of trillions from our never ending war on sanity----------I am ashamed of being an American!

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Frosty46 7 years 4 weeks ago
#21

Could not agree more with you, Kalevala! Is this a nation of stupid, lazy victims or what?

That we had Nazi in our highest office speaks perfectly of our morals and mind set. America is the biggest monster on this planet.

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leighmf 7 years 4 weeks ago
#22

That's correct, Alberto. The Neo-Pagans have declared that use of ISIS to refer to a terrorist group disrespects their Goddess Isis.

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Alberto Ceras 2 7 years 4 weeks ago
#23

And, please, when referring to the United States do not use the word "America." Yes, I know, but there are a good many Americans who do not live in the USA and who detest USA's policies. If you must then at least qualify it to this degree: "North America" although Mexicans and Canadians might, properly, object.

Yes the Coalition of the Killing, as some have called it.

And it isn't and never was correct to use ISIS, the USA's war hawks attempt to smear Syria with the terrorist label. Originally it was ISIL, now IS.

And have we (I hope) heard the last of "Israel, the M.E.'s only democracy?"

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DAnneMarc 7 years 4 weeks ago
#24
Quote Palindromedary:The show is based upon a real life person that was hired by Homeland Security and is supposed to have the 4th highest IQ in the world.

Palindromedary ~ From what I've heard I'm not surprised that DHS would have to outsource their intelligence. From what I've heard most intelligent agencies are anything but that. The most accurate TV depiction goes back to the sixties sitcom "Get Smart." If you recall, Maxwell Smart, agent 86, worked for an intelligence agency called, Control. If you ask me, the DHS is more about "Control" than anything else; and, an agent numbered "86" would be an adequate description of the staff. Essentially, people with college degrees who were eighty sixed from lucrative careers in the private sector and had to settle for this stupid work. (Classically, the number 86 refers to official banishment from something.*) At least that theory fits the stories I've heard; and, it sure does explain why they have to outsource their intelligence. Remember, I told you this under the 'cone of silence.'

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86_(term)

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mathboy 7 years 4 weeks ago
#25

Use of the term "homeland" implies that there's some other land that we would occupy. I.e., there's our homeland and then there're our subject lands.

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Palindromedary 7 years 4 weeks ago
#26

DAnneMarc: I think that you are mostly correct but might mostly apply to the upper echelon, the ones in charge. They do, however, hire people proficient in what they do....like hackers. And I've read that they are hiring a lot of them nowadays. I'm sure they have some very super intelligent people working for them ... although, I suppose, one could argue that they can't be all that intelligent if they work for the intelligence agencies that use and manipulate them to do terrible things. I've heard that many are very conflicted about it and they have a high turn over of employees. Some employees are trapped into working for them because they had been caught at some crime... like hacking into a computer network...or perhaps some other non-related criminal activity. Either way it is a form of blackmail or coercion. Work for us or we will put you away for a long time...type of thing. The FBI agents in the field had done some excellent work tailing and reporting on the 9/11 "terrorists" but their bosses in DC chose, for whatever reason (and I suspect it had to do with making sure the attack took place), to bury the reports.

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Strevell 7 years 4 weeks ago
#27

I have not watched. "scorpion".

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DAnneMarc 7 years 4 weeks ago
#28

"The Real Reason We Are Bombing Syria" A great article by Dennis Kucinich

The Huffington Post

Quote Dennis Kucinich:

The administration's response to the conjunction of this weekend's People's Climate March and the International Day of Peace?

1) Bomb Syria the following day, to wrest control of the oil from ISIS which gained its foothold directly in the region through the U.S., Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and Jordan funding and arming ISIS' predecessors in Syria.

2) Send the president to UN General Assembly, where he will inevitably give a rousing speech about climate and peace, while the destruction of the environment and the shattering of world peace is on full display 5,000 miles away.

Quote Dennis Kucinich:

The fact can't be refuted: ISIS was born of Western intervention in Iraq and covert action in Syria.

This Frankenstein-like experiment of arming the alleged freedom-seeking Syrian opposition created the monster that roams the region. ISIS and the U.S. have a curious relationship -- mortal enemies that, at the same time, benefit from some of the same events:

a) Ousting former Iraqi President Nouri al Maliki for his refusal to consent to the continued presence of U.S. troops in his country.

b) Regime change in Syria.

c) Arming the Kurds so they can separate from Iraq, a preliminary move to partitioning Iraq.

What a coincidence for war-profiteering neo-cons and the war industry, which has seen its stock rise since last week's congressional vote to fund the rapid expansion of war. We have met the enemy and he isn't only ISIS, he is us.

Phase two of the war against Syria is the introduction of 5,000 "moderate" mercenaries (as opposed to immoderate ones), who were trained in Saudi Arabia, the hotbed of Wahhabism, at an initial installment cost of $15 billion. These new "moderates" will replace the old "moderates," who became ISIS, just in time for Halloween.

The administration, in the belief that you can buy, rent, or lease friends where they otherwise do not exist, labor under the vain assumption that our newfound comrades-in-arms will remain in place during their three-year employment period, ignoring the inevitability that those "friends" you hire today could be firing at you tomorrow.

One wonders if Saudi training of these moderate mercenaries will include methods of beheading which were popularized by the Saudi government long before their ISIS progeny took up the grisly practice.

The U.S. is being played.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia can now overtly join with the U.S. in striking Syria, after they have been covertly attempting for years to take down the last secular state in the region. We are now advancing the agenda of the actual Islamic States -- Saudi Arabia and Qatar -- to fight the ersatz Islamic State of ISIS.

Now U.S. bombs and missiles might inadvertently "make the world safe" for theocracy rather than democracy. Today we read reports that Israel has shot down a Syrian warplane, indicating the terrible possibility of a wider regional conflict.

What does this have to do with the security of the 50 States United? Nothing!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/syria-isis-war_b_5869964.html

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Strevell 7 years 4 weeks ago
#29

Dennis Kucinich is great....he validated the existence of chemtrails.

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Jimspy 7 years 4 weeks ago
#30

Thanks for that. I've always felt there was something creepy about that term. And now I know why.

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Jimspy 7 years 4 weeks ago
#31

Dennis Kucinich is great...even though he validated the existence of chemtrails.

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Alberto Ceras 2 7 years 4 weeks ago
#32

Where does Dennis speak against Israel's aggression, destruction and killing? "Oh well, heh, heh, Israel is our friend, heh, heh, the M.E.'s only democracy, heh, heh."

Dennis Kucinich, once a decent person, no longer is.

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Aliceinwonderland 7 years 4 weeks ago
#33

Thanks, Marc! Great commentary by one of my all-time favorite senators. If he ran for prez again, he'd have my vote again. The guy shoots straight, takes no prisoners and is spot-on.

Alberto, your comment is a little presumptuous. To assume Kucinich is an Israel supporter just because Israel isn't mentioned in one particular article is taking quite a leap. - AIW

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DAnneMarc 7 years 4 weeks ago
#34

Alberto and Aliceinwonderland ~ I think if you reread the second to last paragraph in the quote above, Kucinich mentions that just this morning Israel shot down a Syrian warplane and that could lead to the "...terrible possibility of a wider regional conflict." Kucinich was pretty good at targeting all the players in this lethal game with precision and accuracy. I'm surprised you both missed that one. That's one of the biggest tidbits in the article.

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DAnneMarc 7 years 4 weeks ago
#35

For anyone interested in Kucinich's stance on Israel here is an interesting article complete with direct quotes and a video of him speaking on the floor of congress. Apparently Dennis isn't too fond of Israel or the idea of supporting them blindly:

http://www.truthrevolt.org/israel-revolt/dennis-kucinich-takes-facebook-express-hatred-israel

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Strevell 7 years 4 weeks ago
#36

Dennis Kucinich is great period.

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Aliceinwonderland 7 years 4 weeks ago
#37

Sorry 'bout that, Marc. But I still think my assumption about Kucinich regarding Israel was a pretty safe one. From what you've since shared, I wasn't so far off base

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Alberto Ceras 2 7 years 4 weeks ago
#38

My apologies to Dennis K. and his supporters. He has indeed condemned Israel’s political and “defensive” postures concerning Gaza and the Palestinians. His letter at the height of Israel’s latest Gaza killings:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/negotiate-peace-in-gaza_b_5634245.html

We Can Negotiate Peace in Gaza: Here's How

Posted: 07/30/2014 1:10 pm EDT Updated: 07/30/2014 1:59 pm EDT

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DAnneMarc 7 years 4 weeks ago
#39

Alberto Ceras 2 ~ I hear you; and, don't blame you. Congress--and even the entertainment world--is so full of blind supporters of Israel's naked aggression and crimes against humanity that it's sickening and most troubling. I can understand the skepticism in anyone.

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Palindromedary 7 years 4 weeks ago
#40

Syria should never have given up it's one guarantee that other countries, like the US or Israel, would try to invade...the weapons of mass destruction...the chemical weapons. That was pretty much an invitation for an eventual invasion. It would be the same if it had nukes that it could launch toward Israel. Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) does work.

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DAnneMarc 7 years 4 weeks ago
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Quote dblick:Why stop at eliminating just the word 'homeland' or 'heimat'? Can we eliminate the entire Department of Homeland Security? What are they doing, other than tracking us, reading our emails, and acting like Big Brother?

dblick ~ Tracking us and reading our emails? No my friend. I'm afraid that is what the NSA does. From what I have heard from a DHS insider the only thing the DHS does is to spy on other spy agencies. Perhaps the efficiency of the FBI and CIA to identify and track the 9/11 hijackers and warn the government in time was somewhat disconcerting to the orchestrators of this evil act. It is my belief that the DHS sole purpose is to watch what the watchers are watching. Perhaps to interfere with their work on future false flags and to perform damage control. In addition to that theory the only solid fact I can give you is that when I called the DHS with a serious potential terrorist concern they basically blew me off and told me to call my local police department. They weren't interested! Exactly how can that be?

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DAnneMarc 7 years 4 weeks ago
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Now lets get one thing straight. Before we all applaud all the humanitarian hogwash the media is spilling in our laps about ISIS and what they are doing. Let's review this little interview with General Wesley Clark concerning the Pentagons ambitions concerning the middle east. Let us review this very closely because Iran and WWIII are next on the menu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LTdx1nPu3k

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