Is the Democratic Party In Danger of Losing The Next Generation of Voters?

The Democratic Party is facing a serious existential question.

And if the party doesn't make the right moves in 2016 - if they don't hang onto the independent voters and first time voters who are turning out in droves to vote for Bernie and other progressive challengers to the DNC establishment - the Democratic Party seriously risks alienating an entire generation of voters.

A full 42% of Americans identify as independents according to a Gallup poll from earlier this year- as opposed to only 29% of Americans who identify as Democrats and 26% of Americans who identify as Republicans, marking the fifth year in a row that more than 4 in 10 adults identified as political independents.

Those independents are playing a huge role in both the Democratic and Republican primaries.

They're turning out in record numbers to cast votes in open primary states, and many of them are re-registering to vote as Democrats in states with closed primaries.

So why are certain members of the Democratic establishment implying that Bernie Sanders doesn't deserve to be the Democratic nominee, just because he's been a long-registered independent?

That sort of thinking from the Democratic establishment is incredibly narrow-minded and short-sighted.

After all, what good could possibly come out of alienating independents, or from ridiculing the so-called "Bernie Bros" who are professing that it's "BernieOrBust"?

Can the Democratic Party really afford to cast aside Bernie's supporters? Can it really afford to tell independents that they are unimportant to the Party?

There's no doubt that this primary has gotten tense, both Sanders' supporters and Clinton's supporters have hurled caustic insults at each other on Twitter and around the internet.

Bernie supporters have accused Hillary of being owned by special interests, and Hillary supporters in turn accuse Bernie supporters of being politically naïve and embracing pie-in-the-sky policy proposals.

The "Bernie Bro" has become the go-to term (often used as a slur) to describe stereotypically hyper-passionate Bernie supporters: they're typically, and often falsely, depicted as college-age white males who want free stuff and shout down anyone who disagrees with them on the internet.

But the reality is, the people who are turning out to vote for Bernie, the people who seem to endlessly share Bernie memes online, the people who are turning out by the tens of thousands just to hear Bernie speak, are mostly average, hard-working American men and women of all races and ethnic and economic backgrounds who are sick and tired of a rigged political system and a rigged economy.

What the Democratic Party needs to realize, is that many of Bernie's supporters are voting for the first time, whether they're 18, 30 or 50 years old.

And just as importantly: even if they have voted before, many of them are voting as Democrats for the very first time.

Many of them are just getting involved in this election because they've felt left out of American politics for years: they've seen that Washington, DC is corrupt - they've seen that the federal government no longer works in the People's interest.

And, tragically, they've often been right about our government.

Back in 2014, Martin Gilens and Benjamin Page published a study from Princeton University that looked into the state American Democracy.

They didn't find much evidence of a true democracy in America, instead they found that "when a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose."

No wonder the so-called "Bernie Bros" come off as caustic.

They've been living in a political system for decades where their demands have been flagrantly ignored by the political elites of both parties.

And now that they're engaged, now that they've decided to rally behind a candidate with whom they passionately agree, they're being told by establishment Democrats that they're naïve, that they don't understand how Washington works, and that progressive ideas are impossible to get done.

These are voters who have been told for years to get out and vote, but now that these long-time independents and first-time Democrats are voting for a candidate who is standing up to the economic elites and organized interests that have corrupted American democracy, they're being told to go back home and shut up.

Ever since Al From's bloodless coup of the Democratic Party in 1988, the economic elite in America have had bipartisan representation, and now over 40% of Americans have rejected both parties because of it.

No matter who gets the Democratic nomination, the Democrats need the support of first time voters and registered independents to win the general election.

And if the Democrats hope to take back Congress, they'll especially need those voters to vote Democratic in down-ticket races.

The Democratic Party has an opportunity right now to create an entirely new generation of dedicated Democratic voters, much like FDR did in 1933, and Reagan did for the Republicans in 1981.

Bernie's supporters can't force the Democratic Party to embrace universal healthcare and tuition-free college, they can't force the party to embrace expanding social security and raising the federal minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour.

They can't force the party to make overturning Citizens United and ending our dependence on fossil fuels into core parts of the Democratic platform.

And they can't cause a riot to force the Democrats to embrace a true progressive vision for America.

But they shouldn't have to.

As Dick Gregory once told me, it's not necessary to force people to agree at the barrel of a gun, because "when you've got something really good, you don't have to force it on people. They will steal it!"

The Democratic Party should be getting it's sticky fingers ready, because the enthusiasm around Bernie's campaign is something really good, and it's something that every Democratic candidate should want to steal if they want to win in November.

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wslifko 6 years 26 weeks ago
#1

When Teddy Roosevelt broke from the Republican party to run as a progressive, he took from about 1/3 to half of the party with him. That's when that progressive era began in earnest. The Republicans have continued to stay with the conservative agenda since that time.

What's intriguing is the Democratic party split with Hillary and the DNC going to the Right while we have this grassroots movement to reestablish a strong progressive force in our political landscape. It's essentially what Teddy R. did in 1912. The only wild card we have are the Trump voters, many who have claimed to be Democrats or former Democrats. Donald is no progressive but he represents a change to the corporate bought government in their opinion.

I believe this is the biggest reason why Bernie, if nominated, will easily win the general election while Hillary doesn't stand a chance. I would never vote for Trump but many of those disenfranchised Democrats who follow him now will if it comes down to Trump vs another corporate government representative such as Hillary.

Franklin Roosevelt adopted the progressive movement that his father started and built a coalition in the Democratic party. This is exactly what will happen if Bernie gets the nomination. Le'ts hope it gets built and lasts. The Democrats haven't only been giving ground to the Republicans, their intentional move to the Right has forced the Republicans to move with ever more obvious leaps and bounds further and further Right.

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MountainCatBob 6 years 26 weeks ago
#2

DNC has already lost my support!

From the beginning the DNC showed a marked preference for Hillary, who is just another lapdog for those old, white, rich men. This should be a wake-up call for everyone who used to think the DNC represented the interests of the people.

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Loren Bliss 6 years 26 weeks ago
#3

Obviously the reason the Democratic Party inner circle is indifferent to this influx of new voters is the party's dependence on Republican voter restrictions to minimize the new voters' impact. Here again we see the oppressive reality of governance by one party of two names and how capitalism has ended forever not only the so-called "American Dream" but the U.S. experiment in representative democracy as well.

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stymie 6 years 26 weeks ago
#4

If Hillary is the nominee then it is very important for the democratic party to include Bernie's supporters, and to keep the fire burning through the election. I am a Bernie supporter and I believe Bernie will call for their support in if he is not the nominee, to vote for Hillary.

That said, if Hillary is the nominee I would like to see her pick Bernie as the VP and probably as important, the party selects Bernie as the Speaker of the House. That is assuming we take the House back which I believe will be much more likely with Bernie on the ticket, combining the voters for Hillary and Bernie. Bernie could play hard -ass and negotiate this position in trade for not leading the "Bernie or Bust" delegation off a cliff. **Someone please check this out; the speaker can be someone other than a Congress person, but can it be the VP?

Also note that the repugs would probably more likely to work with Bernie than they would with the likely speaker Nancy Pelosi, (who I think they hate).

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The Glenn Beck ... 6 years 26 weeks ago
#5

If Democrats nominate a fracking, hawkish "free-trade"-supporting neo-liberal, they deserve to lose a generation of voters!

Thom does not understand #BernieOrBust pledge strategy. It's not about the general election. It's #leverage to be deployed by pledge-takers. Want to know one reason Bernie is killing in caucus states? Because our pledge-takers hand out a flyer to those in line to causus telling them about an unwillingness to vote for #CorporateClinton in the general, so they'd better #UniteBehindBernie or else have Trump selecting the next Court nominees. In primary states, we have just begun to fight starting in WI. Want to know why polls have shifted in Bernie's favor the last week? Bernie or bust pledge-takers are getting the word out to all WI voters.

I've requested an interview, so I can explain Bernie or bust to Thom. Keep listening.

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Georga Grivois 6 years 26 weeks ago
#6

IMHO The Chair of the DNC is partially responsible for the Media lack of enthusiasm for Bernie. As often happens the establishment pulls rank and takes unfair advantage of anyone not in the headlines at least est. 20% of the time. Once Bernies message is heard individuals are happy to support Bernie because he shares Main St values and fights for the middle and low income Americans!

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Georga Grivois 6 years 26 weeks ago
#7

I do not think Bernie would accept a VP position because Hillary is too much in debt to the 1% and she will not keep her promises to Main St Americans . Bernie knows this and will instead probably choose to remain a Senator so he can at least strive to keep her from too many power grabs.

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Georga Grivois 6 years 26 weeks ago
#8

I agree!! Schultz has unabashedly titled DNC towards favoring Hillary!

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d.o. 6 years 26 weeks ago
#9

We've been waiting to hear you say something like this for awhile, Thom. Thanks very much. The DNC is so stuck in the mud they've forgotten to look around for help getting the old jalopy out of the rut. They're just pressing on the gas and letting the wheels spin. :/

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Howard Laverne ... 6 years 26 weeks ago
#10

The DNC chairperson should be removed immediately

effie5555 6 years 26 weeks ago
#11

Hilliary is not going to coalesce the Democratic Party - she is a divider. She has recently begun to depict Bernie as not a true Democrat - worthy of the Democratic nomination - as she has been a "Democrat" her "entire adult life." The Fact is she has been labeled a democrat but has rejected all of the FDR Democratic principles her entire adult life and her handiwork has taken the Democratic party so far right that the only way to describe what she calls a new democrat is republican-lite. In reality Bernie has lived the FDR Democratic values his entire adult life - 50+ years now. So who should really be the Democrati nominee?

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Jon.rios89 6 years 26 weeks ago
#12

If there is one thing In which Hillary exhibits consistency, it's her ability to change her political views. Although Thom said this is what a political leader must do, it tells the people that she does not have their interest at heart and is only willing to do so to acquire more delegates. If the American people are upset with our rigged economy and politics, why would they support a candidate who is endorsed by the S&L, industry, which destroyed our economy, or the fossil fuel industry which is decimating our environment. It infuriates me to see how uneducated and uninformed individuals are, regarding issues like this. Bernie is integral to remedying the current state of our country. He stands to improve on FDR's legacy, and maybe, we Americans can once again prosper.

seeker64 6 years 26 weeks ago
#13

Earlier today I spoke with Thom on air about what it takes to revitalize the party. I've been voting as a Dem for 40 years and even I question my loyalty to the party this year, so I understand the lack of trust by Independents.

When it comes to the "Bernie or Bust" voters, don't try to convince them to vote for Hillary IF she becomes candidate. Either they will or they won't. Just plead with them to at least go to the polls and turn Congress around. Every single congressional seat and 32 of the Senate seats are subject to the November vote. We have a chance to send a clear message to whatever candidate finally captures the POTUS seat, as well as the nation. There are a number of important state and local seats as well as referendums that we need to weigh on as well.

Everyone of us needs to be involved at the local level. Go online, download and study the state Democratic party rules handbook. Then find and get involved with your precinct and local (county or city) committee. Now is a good time to get involved to make sure the Democratic platform reflects our principles. But more importantly, we need to be ready to hit the ground running the day AFTER the Presidential election.

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Howard Laverne ... 6 years 26 weeks ago
#14

The declaration of Independence was a progressive movement

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JHM 6 years 26 weeks ago
#15

I am 72 years young - a small business owner - I've been self-employed for 45 years and have always voted Republican. (Except when I voted for Ross Perot) Last year I switched party affiliations to Democratic, to support Bernie and the revolution. The Republicans have imploded and, with the help of corporate Democrats, gutted the middle class.

All of that said, I don’t care about labels Republican/Democrat – I don’t care about parties – they can all fade into history!

What I care about is treating people fairly and with respect. If the establishment doesn’t see that we cannot continue on the same course that we’ve been on for the last 40 years, they need to be swept aside.

If Bernie doesn’t get the Democratic party nomination – I refuse to reward Hillary and the Democratic party for their stealing the election with my vote. Just say no to business as usual!

My hope is that if the DNC denies the young people and the independents the political revolution we need, Bernie will move to the Green Party – take all of his money and supporters there – and run against Hillary in the general election.

In a 3-way race – Bernie will defeat both Hillary and Trump, both are dispised – then the establishment politicians will fall in line. After all, none of them are leaders.

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forinfoman44 6 years 26 weeks ago
#16

Decmocrats need to embrace the young. They're not a majority at present. However, if Hiliary wins (and I think her experience far outstrips Bernies'), then the young and all Bernieites should embrace Secy. Clinton. I keep hearing rumblings of "No, Bernie, no voe," from people such as bor'-in-law, a Bostonian suburbanite, that Bernie's the only guy, such that I worry there'd be unity. Bernie has some nice ideas, but things like free college, or Medicare = insuranace for all just won't fly. To me, you want a person who can bridge the gap between Left and Right. Don't think Bernie with his ideas can do it.

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PaulHosse 6 years 26 weeks ago
#17

The number is actually closer to 43% Thom, and growing. Within the next five years there is expected to be more Independents than Republicans and Democrats combined. The American people are putting down the sugary sweet "red Kool-Aid" Democrat cups and their unsweetend "blue Kool-Aid". They know both political parties are bought and paid for by the same corporate elite; the oligarchs who rule this country now. The media likes to pretend this duopoly is our only choice, but people are waking up. The American realize the system is broken beyond repair, despite the spin and empty promises of "reform" and "change". The two party dictatorship is failing and there's nothing they can do about it.

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Howard Laverne ... 6 years 26 weeks ago
#18

The declaration of Independence was a progressive movement, favorable to the general population but not impossible to get done despite the well funded opposition.

Misinformation is the biggest obstacle to current progress

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2950-10K 6 years 26 weeks ago
#19

Two hours ago Bill Clinton spoke to a local labor union. The local news station streamed him live for about five minutes......given the talking points, it might as well have been Bernie speaking. Clinton mentioned flat wages, and the system being rigged against the working class.

I've been voting for almost four decades as an independent. Because of support for Bernie I had to register this year with the democratic party. I've never voted for a republic/Tea Party candidate. I've always voted for socialists , green party, and progressive democratic candidates....that after being raised in a rural republican family. After working in a non union print shop with forced 70 hour work weeks, and fighting to unionize, becoming a progressive came natural to me.

I guess I bring all this up to point out that there are still white rural guys, born in the 1950's like me, voting for Bernie. The small New York town I live in is completely divided between Bernie and Trump...I haven't heard a single person mention they're voting for Hillary. Generally the college educated folks are all voting for Bernie.

It's ugly though..I've gotten the finger more than once because of my Bernie bumper sticker. Even some of my friends, guys I grew up with , ask me why I'm voting for a "communist." I tell them to turn off their god damn Fox news and vote for their own best interests, the billionaires don't need anymore of their help. It's like the North and South all over again....and just like that time in history, one side was just flat out wrong!

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mfidelman 6 years 26 weeks ago
#20

There's a fundamental problem here - both parties have stopped being groups of people, united by a common interest - and have become "brands," controlled by elites.

It's not about the Democratic Party "losing" a generation of voters - that presupposes that the Party is product, trying to sell itself to customers.

The reality is that the "Party of the People" should be more like a tribe, or membership organization - if the Party is not representing new voters, it's because the voters aren't showing up to represent themselves. It's not about "attracting voters" it's about occupying the party and taking it back from a corrupt, self-selected, in-group.

A Tyranny of Political Parties: From Tribes to Insiders & Brands

bayer 6 years 26 weeks ago
#21

I've been listening to the opinions of some who support Sen. Sanders but then put in the disclaimer, " he won't get the nomination, so I'll support Clinton" Bernie is making Clinton flip on her previous statements...all for the sake of votes. This is what the Clintons do.
I can say this because I lived in Arkansas at the time of Bill's regime as Governor. There is Nothing either of them could say, that I would believe. I don't vote for parties, I vote for the person. In years past, I would say, " for the person who is lying to me the least". Now, like many others who are Independents, we are facing a big decision if Sanders doesn't get the nomination. There is no Republican I would vote for so that's a no brainer. The problem will be making myself vote for a person who is only out for her own personal gain.

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mblockhart 6 years 26 weeks ago
#22

I was originally neutral in the race between Clinton and Sanders, as I've long admired both. But when the Sanders campaign fell in league with Karl Rove, attacking Clinton personally, ragging on the Democratic Party and even bashing President Obama, it made me look harder at Sanders, his record and his political career. I'm so over Bernie now. I don't expect Thom or his readers to listen to anything I might say, but here goes: The Bernie Sanders campaign has turned into a repeat of Nader 2000 and look what that got us.

There's only one force in our country that can stand up to the fascism of today's Republican Party and that is the Democratic Party, and here we find yet another instance of bashing that Party, as Sanders has done for his entire career. Today's Democratic Party is not the DNC or its leader. It is in reality all millions of us who have been working all these years within the Democratic Party to mold it into a huge progressive movement, more inclusive, more science- and fact-based, less militaristic, more empathetic, more international in its vision. Please, go read the Democratic Party Platform in your state, read the National Platform. See if they speak to YOUR views and desires and, if they do, come join us in our effort. We can't entice you with quick, fancy promises, but we do have a reservoir of good will and a knowledge base to move the country back on track, one step at a time. Everything good that has come about for the People of this Country has been accomplished by progressives and today the effective progressive movement resides almost entirely within the Democratic Party. (That's why Bernie Sanders chose to run as a Democrat.)

Democrats are not "corporatist" or "elite" or "establishment" or "corrupt" or "war-mongering" or "in the tank for Wall Street or the fossil fuel industry" or any of the pejoratives commonly thrown at us by the naysayers as seen here. And, though she certainly has human flaws, objectively neither is Hillary Clinton. Naysayers like Sanders and Nader, Green Partiers, "independents" and the "loyal lefty outsiders" of today remind me of neighborhood kids, standing outside the fence, sneering while chunking rocks over the fence on those of us who are trying to weed the garden. It's not only insulting, it's not helpful. It doesn't help THEM, either!

And as they say, "Come on down!" We'd love to have your help, your ideas and your energy in the pursuit of real, concrete solutions. Don't follow any personal "leader," follow a vision, instead.

Remember, if you don't vote, or you vote for a write-in, or you vote for a 3rd party, this year, no matter who WE Democrats have selected as our Presidential nominee, you are voting for the real fascist movement in this country, the Republicans.

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mtcopeland 6 years 26 weeks ago
#23

I had decided to vote for Hillary if Bernie loses his fight. However my reason for voting for Bernie is that he is saying what I believe. To vote for Hillary is voting for a person who stands for all of what is wrong. My vote for Bernie is a vote for the change I think has to happen. I will not vote for Hillary if that helps elect a Republican so be it . Without real change we will continue to be ruled by a veiled plutocracy .

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Intermittent In... 6 years 26 weeks ago
#24

Not all that long ago, I contemplated holding my nose and voting for Clinton, though going with the Greens seemed to make a lot more sense. (...voted for Nader in 2000 (not in FL)). Then Bernie Sanders, for whom I have the utmost admiration and respect, and who I was hoping would run, decided to do so, and as a Democrat. The stark and glaring contrast between the two Democratic candidates has come into focus, not just for me, but for a great many others... yes, the Democratic Party is in danger of losing the next generation of voters... in fact, the party bosses seem intent on doing just that.

Some say that this is not the time to say "Bernie of Bust"- type things, or to say anything negative about any "Democratic" candidate.

It seems to me that this is the exactly the crucial time...

...maybe it's best to simply list, among the many reasons I wholeheartedly support Bernie Sanders' candidacy, as the fact that he's not a lying, warmongering, bought-and-paid-for corporate shill, and neocon... like all too many in the Democratic Party.


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henryeden 6 years 26 weeks ago
#25

according to the numbers I saw in the Washington post this morning democrats got over 70,000 less votes than republicans.

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marcopolo123 6 years 26 weeks ago
#26

Hi Thom. You asked a very interesting question on twitter this morning. What will it take for the Democratic Party to “keep” me?

To answer that question, you need to know something about me.

I am 58 years old (I think about your age?) and grew up in a suburban middle-class family in South St Paul, MN. My Dad was a union forklift operator for a company called Farmers Union, which is now Cenex. When I read your book, “Screwed” I thought how your childhood very much paralleled mine. My mom worked part time as a clerk at the local drug store and we did pretty well. We never felt poor. Dad bought our home on the GI bill – he’d been in the Philippines during WWII - and we took a vacation in the station wagon every summer. And they were FDR Democrats, no question. In fact, my mom often tells the joke of how she never considered divorcing Dad, except for the time she heard he had voted for Ike. All in all they were married for 71 years and that was the closest they came to divorce.

So I come from good, Democratic stock. I have voted in every presidential and congressional election since 1976 when I voted for Jimmy Carter, who I still consider one of the most decent human beings alive.

So, with all that as background, the answer to your question is simple, they need to get back to the basics. They need to start paying more than idle lip service to the shrinking middle class. They need to get back to the party of FDR and away from the neo-liberal, center-right Clintonista’s. They need to fire people like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz yesterday. They need to denounce folks like the union-busting, name calling Rahm Emmanual. They need to stop embracing every bad trade agreement that comes down the pike. They need to embrace Health Care for all, rather than Health Insurance for all. They need, in short, Bernie Sanders. And, Thom, if they shove Hillary down our throats, I and millions of other long time and first time Democrats will say bye, bye to the party that left us.

Mark Murray @redtailhawk123

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Bob MacBain 6 years 26 weeks ago
#27

It would appear that traditional political parties are becoming progressively irrelevant. Traditionally, the Democratic Party was the party of average Americans who supported their families by their labor. Since labor unions have been under attack for decades, traditional unions have become weaker and poorer and, therefore, the Democrats have lost the major part of their traditional financial support. The Democratic Party is looking more like the GOP, because it is receiving more of its funding from the same sources as the Republicans: billionaires and corporations. So, the agenda of the Democratic Party looks very much like that of the GOP.

The middle class will have to form political action unions that are not trade based unions. Trade unions have been largely neutralized by corporate billionaires. Political action unions could lobby and contribute campaign funds to candidates of any party that has a platform that promotes the interests of average, middle class Americans. Politicians will not listen to us unless we speak the language they understand.....money. Remember, money is speech. It is highly unlikely that the money can be taken out of politics, so we have to play by the current rules. Political action unions could be modelled on the National Rifle Aassociation. Could an existing labor union provide the infrastructure for a political action union?

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Intermittent In... 6 years 25 weeks ago
#28

Re: Bob M's. "Politicians will not listen to us unless we speak the language they understand.....money. Remember, money is speech. It is highly unlikely that the money can be taken out of politics, so we have to play by the current rules."

If We the People have to compete for our employees'/representatives loyalty with the cadre of ridiculously fabulously well-to-do billionaires, corporations, (etc. (?)), that are currently buying elections (and politicians) , - a: We're not going to be able to afford it, and, b) they're probably not the kind of politicians we want to elect in the first place.

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"Citizens United" needs to go.

Public financing/free media coverage/many other improvements toward freer, fairer, elections possible.

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marcopolo123 6 years 25 weeks ago
#29

After the last two days, I really do hope Bernie runs a third party "peoples" campaign. In a three way race between Hillary and any Republican, he would smoke them.

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Queenbeethatsme 6 years 25 weeks ago
#30

I've been an Independent since 1982. Lately that moniker has been co opted by the so called disaffected of the 2 main parties but Independent is NOT a political party; instead it is a designation for people whose ideal governance is not reflected by either party and who do not subscribe to party dogma.

Lately, to be called an Independent is to reflect a sort of party petulant as those who fail to get their way decide to 'teach their party a lesson' by withholding their votes if they don't get their way.

Seriously? What? Do democrats feel left out from the GOP kindergarten antics of temper tantrum throwing? Is it that parents failed to instill discipline and/or cooperation in the millenia generation and generation x so we get these weird displays of party betrayal threats OR could it possibly that the sheer stupidity of the Republican party schism is actually a contagious disease?

GROW UP Democrats and seize the opportunity or be just as self destructive and idiotic as the GOP.

here is a clue: remember your common goals and stop trying to extort your own party..you are not Independents..you , like so called indie republicans are all spoiled brats..you have no separate ideology from your core party. You come to this place with your silly platforms still intact..just angry that your party orthodoxy did not let you have your way.

I truly wish that being an Independent was an actual party..so that when most of you came calling we could refuse your troublesome and whiny buts admission.

The Democratic party has the chance to become a true juggernaut with the GOP in disarray...but instead they seem poised with a sort of ideological damoclese sword..threatening to cleave their own party

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Queenbeethatsme 6 years 25 weeks ago
#31

Bernie would lose. He is not only a socialist, he is also a shameless pander an idealist. I have heard he is offering free education to college students. WHO believes that is even possible?

NO one who understands civics and capitalism would believe it. MOST college grant money is dispensed and controlled by states but each college sets their own fees. REGARDLESS, Presidents no more decide how college fees are set and how much grant money there is than they decide to build 50 foot walls around the US.

Ridiculous promises are being made at a time when we have no money. WE are nearing hyperinflation, we are starting wars to justify the last scramble for oil and a foothold in the Middle East. WE are facing record droughts and have an infrastructure so decrepit that we have pot hole roads..crumbling bridges and lead in our sewer pipes and water lines.

Against this back drop and universities offering scholarships to competing foreign students , we have politicians offering things that their office cannot decide or even vote on.

..and people believe them.

I came from a socialist country. The one thing that MUST be in place for socialist programs to work are government owned and controlled industries and institutions.

You cannot have government mandated Healthcare without government controlled costs. To have free schooling you would h Ave to employ all educators and control the costs to attend each school. It is not possible to combine free or wholesale health care or schooling to a system that is in both things to make as much money as they can.

When socialism is attempted in a capitalist country you end up bankrupt and with massive corruption as each institution steals as much as they can from public coffers and the public is forced to use that system

The irony is that social countries are trying to emulate the American model as costs to care for the public spiral beyond governments and at the same time they move to emulate America.. the US is trying to emulate Europe.

Sadly, the US is trying to copy a system they actually do not understand or no very little about. TAKE a good look at the Obama care program. Hospitals are making so much money they are building massive campuses. THE public are at risk for more and more bogus health services.. the costs for many are spiraling but they have no choice in coverage. IF my family opts out of coverage we must pay 7800.00 for no insurance. BEFORE OBama care we had full coverage for 4700.00 a year.

On top of this , some hospitals are targeting immigrants from countries like Africa and telling them to come in for well check ups..MRIs and other services telling them to not worry about the costs because Obama care will pay for it. SINCE when do hospitals cold call people to drum up business?

THIS and much more are what someone like Bernie Sanders mean to me and my peers.

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Queenbeethatsme 6 years 25 weeks ago
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I have always disliked Hilary.. but I would vote for her as would many of my contemporaries. Because a lot of my peers are European expats from socialist countries so we understand the pros and cons of socialusm; we would never vote for Bernie. NEVER.

The US will complete their destruction of this country if they try to cobble certain socialist principles to a capitalist system. SCHOOLING and Healthcare with no caps or controlled salaries coupled with public money is a recipe for bankruptcy.

Socialism is not an all you can eat buffet me..you cannot cherry pick what you want and simply continue as you are. Socialism is not sustainable which is why Holland and other European countries have been slowly converting to a model more like the US.

From the outside..the social programs might look great but Americans actually have no idea of the level of control of our businesses and programs by our government nor do they understand the level of sacrifice in income and freedom the Ave European must live under.

The grass is always greener on the other side..but try to remember grass is not a sustainable nutrition for people.

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Queenbeethatsme 6 years 25 weeks ago
#33

So Democrat's are resorting to political extortion? Then if Bernie is the nominee... I will be encouraging as many as possible to vote for Trump. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GET THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE and if Democrats are nasty enough to extort..then you deserve Trump.

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Queenbeethatsme 6 years 25 weeks ago
#34

Not a socialist.

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