Is Trump A Fascist Or...Something Even Worse?

Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States.

But if you spend any time at all on the internet reading liberal blogs or any time watching liberal TV shows like this one, you may have heard him described as the second coming of well, pretty much every dictator ever… even fictional ones, like Lord Voldemort from the Harry Potter books.

Adam Johnson from Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting has done the legwork and found that Donald Trump has been compared to - at a minimum - Ayatollah Khomeini, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro and Kim Jong-Il.

Those comparisons made some buzz in media circles - but if any Trump-dictator comparison has really captivated the public as a whole - it's the comparison of Trump to Adolf Hitler.

Go to an anti-Trump protest, and you'll see hundreds if not thousands of signs calling him a fascist, the Fuhrer and a Nazi.

Even real American Nazis think Trump is a Nazi.

For example, when neo-Nazi leader Richard Spencer opened a recent speech with a cry of "Hail Trump", he was greeted with a flurry of enthusiastic Nazi salutes.

Meanwhile, history books about the Nazis, WW2 and totalitarianism are flying off the shelves.

People are really - honestly - genuinely - concerned about our democratic republic becoming totalitarian state - specifically a fascist totalitarian state - under the rule of Donald Trump.

On the one hand - this idea that Trump is Hitler seems pretty ridiculous.

After all, just 10 years ago liberals everywhere were calling George W. Bush Hitler - and he was gone within the year.

Yes, Bush gave us the Patriot Act, an illegal war in Iraq, and an immensely more powerful Deep State - but he also handed his office over to Barack Obama like every other US president has handed over power to his successor: peacefully.

Donald Trump will in all likelihood leave power after his term in office in the exact same way.

But then again - there IS something different about Trump.

His naked appeals to white supremacy, his demonization of minority groups, and the way he glorifies autocracy for its own sake - they're like nothing we've seen before at the presidential level in American politics - at least not recently and at least not at this high of a level.

So what's actually going on here?

Is Trump Hitler?

Or is he just another right-wing Republican?

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stecoop01 3 years 26 weeks ago
#1

Although there are many similarities between Hitler and Trump, there is one area where Trump is NOT Hitler.

Hitler was a master at manipulating and rallying public opinion; he knew what to say AND how to say it, to sway people to his views.

Trump, on the other hand, is just a flaming asshole; and most people see right through his garbage-speak.

Mulakush 3 years 26 weeks ago
#2

Trump is half way between the usual right wing Republican and Hitler. This half way postion of his is not of his making, but of ours, the people. We are wiser having more researched information about demagogues. Hopefully there are enough of us to overcome the rebellion of the whites-only crowd. He and the republicans in power can and probably will do a lot of damage to the common people. By the time they are done we will find ourselves in the early 1900 era type governance. I do not think that the common republican is awake to this danger and maybe he/she even wants to be there.

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Rasa 3 years 26 weeks ago
#3

Trump's behavior and rhetorical antics, if seen as just his Reality TV personality, appear abhorrently theatrical, but if he really is listening to Bannon, Michael Savage, Alex Jones, et al, then maybe in his Trumpian way he is attempting to attack the Deep State.

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deepspace 3 years 26 weeks ago
#4

The good news is that Herr Drumpf is not clever enough to be another Hitler; our center-ring circus clown is barely more astute than the right-wing Republican base who voted for him. He is just goofy enough, however, to bungle the job so badly that America will likely sink to new depths of dysfunction, if the last two weeks is any indication.

policy maven 3 years 26 weeks ago
#5

There is little doubt that Donald Trump is an authoritarian demagogue. His behavior and actions are very consistent with those of other historical demagogues, including Hitler and his Nazi followers. This link that I am sharing below makes the case most strongly that trump is very much in the pattern of Hitler and other dictators. So my fellow Americans it is time to not only point-and-click, but to be part of the movements that are resisting trump. And please do not fall into the trap of believing that he is a fool or demented, or too narcissistic. That is not the point. The point is he subscribes to white nationalist supremacist thinking, and has surrounded himself with the likes of Steve Bannon. his actions thus far are quite consistent with those of other dictators, and they begin with identifying some group as the problem with the country, and rapidly tried to dismantle a free media. Sound familiar? Yes, it can happen here. And it is.

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/normalization-lesson-munich-post/

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Stanman 3 years 26 weeks ago
#6

100% in agreement with the Trump/Hitler comparison. But while we listen to the WH lie and die like a Reality Show, the pipelines are a GO; the worst of the worst are heading Cabinets; the whole Supreme Court drama was Repugs at their criminal best; and, Internet Neutrality is in traitorous FCC hands. Shall I go on? And this despicable administration keeps on lying! One from Trump today: "The pipelines weren't so controversial"! This is the lie he will believe. And then there's Bannon...

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Uncle Ralph 3 years 26 weeks ago
#7

I think of Trump more like the Mussolini to Putin's Hitler. I think as the realization sets in, over time, that Trumpistan is, after Crimea, the second client state in Putin's New Soviet Union, the analogy will make more sense.

Where the analogy breaks down is that Putin's IQ, while immeasurably higher than Trump's, exceeds that of Adolf Hitler by a good margin and probably that of Stalin, too. Putin's not going to be out there parading around in starched uniforms with medals and sashes; he's going to continue to run things from behind the curtain in the Great Hall of Oz and let his puppets take all the flack.

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Stanman 3 years 26 weeks ago
#8

Must ask: (I like that this is out, but...) Why did Sen. Blumenthal share comments from a most likely private conversation? Cheap and now hearsay?

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jwingstrom 3 years 26 weeks ago
#9

He's too naive to actually BE Hitler. So I gave him a new name...Dumbshitler.

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lloydvon 3 years 26 weeks ago
#10

If you ask me he is using Nationalism and fear to push his corporate policies. This seem to have more to do with money and power than any kind of patriotism. What does scare me is his infatuation with being a privilidged white male. We all need to see his tax returns. My guess he is hiding some serious financial problems much like his other investments that went bankrupt and maybe more. The other question is how much does Russia have to do with his investments. This all stinks to high heaven

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Kend 3 years 26 weeks ago
#11

Hitler, are you guys out of your minds. Geez. Are you seriously comparing a man that murdered millions because of their religious beliefs, color even if they where handicapped to someone who simply wants to do his job and postpone entry for a few people from suspect well known terrorist countries just for a few months until they can confidently and safety allow them access to your country. WTF is wrong with you.

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ChristopehrCurrie 3 years 26 weeks ago
#12

It is bad enough that Donald Trump is a bold-faced liar in his own right, but he is also surrounding himself with other bold-faced liars like Jeff Sessions, Steve Brannon, and Michael Anton (all three of whom he likes to quote). So it looks like Donald Trump intends to "lie his head off" (so to speak) until he gets impeached.

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2950-10K 3 years 26 weeks ago
#13

Well they say you can judge a person by the company they keep. So one would have to consider the evidence of Bannon being a Neo-Nazi and then proceed from there regarding the judgement of Trump's "alt-reality." The KKK and Nazis certainly have expressed their love for both Bannon and Trump.

I'm more concerned about what our CIA already knows...Putin has successfully destabilized this country by putting Trump and the Teapublican Party in power...he knows what he has done. Never mind the golden shower videos, what if Putin releases info that proves Trump committed treason?

Putin must realize Trump is a complete fool and has the info to get him impeached anytime he wants. The election was invalid plain and simple. Remember how we were going to strike back for the Russian hacking...???? Why was it called off??? Was it called off because Putin now has the power to throw this country into a civil war? We're looking at endless domestic unrest, a crashed economy, and god awful war in Iran now. Putin did this to us by manipulating Trump and the election...and the god damn CIA knows it.

DrRichard 3 years 26 weeks ago
#14

Since Obama is just another corportist shill on the militaristic path the US has followed for decades, his orderly following of Bush was not all that amazing. But Tump--The Duck--is a loose cannon. Hitler is really a stretch, though as has already been said on this thread there are similarities with Mussolini. The current right wing leader of Hungary, János Áder, also behaves the same way. But in a sense Trump has the mentality of a suicide bomber. He doesn't care what damage he does, who he hurts, or what people say. He probably likes the attention since, after all, he Has the Truth.

What is sad is that if he was a real Nazi, suitably packaged as an American leader instead of a loud vest pocket dictator, there are millions of Americans who would gladly follow him. Most people are waiting to be told what to do. An uncultured thug who promises everything, is absolutely sure of himself, and gives the appearance of being rich (he could be broke) is enough to excite them. In that sense there is a similarity to Hitler. But history is littered with such louts, many of whom ran their countries into bad ends.

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leighmf 3 years 26 weeks ago
#15

He is today's stooge for the Republican corrupt underworld which during Prohibition ruled Philadelphia. He comes through the underworld bank, originating in the German American Trust Company and National City Bank (now PNC), which since 1905 has mingled bad money with good till it was laundered through rackets, through 3 wars, through Haiti and Iran Contra, through Panama, the Caymans, and now internally through cash businesses such as fast food franchises connected to a network of riverboat casinos associated with Nevada casinos and some Reservation casinos. He has 34 offshore entities in the Panama Papers Dump.He has had financial association with Pence since 1988 when Pence first went on conservative Indiana talk radio. He purchased Mar-a-Lago for 5 million in 1983 from the M.Meriweather Post Foundation of Washington DC. That's what we call "a real steal" in Florida real estate terms. This is a person put into place to do all the things a career politician would never attempt. While all the monkey business and distractions are going on, we are getting set up for something really bad on an unexpected front- this is the way it has always been, but never so blatant as now. It is a real slap in the face of the righteous forefathers, such as only the mob can deliver with immunity from prosecution.

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drmatula 3 years 26 weeks ago
#16

Power Corrupts. More power corrupts more. Nuff said.

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ejwong 3 years 26 weeks ago
#17

The nominee gave his approval to the Senator to repeat what he had said. His spokesman verified it.

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Drrichardpaul 3 years 26 weeks ago
#18

The comparison is hyperbole. The Clinton campaign, Obama administration, deep state, and corporate media made unusual acrobatic illogical leaps to make those conclusions. Most of the problem are those in government who want Christianity eliminated from our society. Take the atheist Clinton campaign, for example, with her incessant anti Christian campaign rhetoric and constant lying and cheating.
Trump won an overwhelming majority of the evangelical Christian vote. Some 80% compared to Clinton getting about 5%. Since it's been abundantly evident Democrats, especially establishment democrats, hate anything Christian, they'll make attempts to discredit anything he proposes.

Then, there's his patriotic appeal. For a long time, Americans have been told any thoughts and concerns about domestic issues was national socialism, or Nazism. Any serious discussions on healthcare reform which doesn't involve billionaires making money is called communism by democrats. Any infrastructure is said to be impossible by neoliberals. Democrats live from disaster to disaster, and leave no room to inject money into the domestic economy.

Trump wants to inject d domestic currency, but is being thwarted in his attempts by globalist elites unwilling to see domestic labor prosper.

Is he Hitler? Absolutely not. Not even close. Comparing him to Hitler is akin to comparing Obama to Pinochet, which would actually be a closer comparison.

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fiddleman 3 years 26 weeks ago
#19

Thom -

Per your 2/9 bulletin. I'm not convinced that Trump will hand over power at he end of his term. I see his administration as likely to double down on gerrymandering and voter suppresion to make the 2020 debacle "elections" in name only--like his mentor in Russia. It will be peaceful as long as the next in line is one of his kids.

Jeff Baker, Asheville

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Uncle Geo 3 years 26 weeks ago
#20

Whatever kind of evil he is, it's important we constantly call him the "Republican President". Despite their occasional displeasure with him, Republicans are right in there with him on legislative goals, the consolidation of wealth and on the hate. We cannot allow any daylight between him and Republicans because at any moment he is likely to do something that turns voters away and/or forces him from office. At that moment the GOP will also turn away in an attempt to save themselves.

Are we ready to offer an alternative? Are we speaking our values? Or are we going to continue to fling facts and reason at people knowing that doesn't work? If we have not prepared voters with an alternative, the GOP will just dump their President and take their voters with them.

Learn to frame issues in terms of our values; learn to speak and write effectively. Thom's books on this are a great start.

Legend 3 years 26 weeks ago
#21

The Republican President (aka Putins Puppit) had General Flynn, Chief Security Advisor, negotiating sanctions with Russia prior to the inaugeration. Highly illegal. Impeach.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-flynn-russia-sanctions_us_58...

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Uncle Geo 3 years 26 weeks ago
#22
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Uncle Geo 3 years 26 weeks ago
#23

It's only a matter of time!

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Dianereynolds 3 years 26 weeks ago
#24

I love listening to President Trump haters for two reasons.

1. They are too dumb to understand that getting rid of Trump makes their problems 1000 times worse.

2. Their bitterness just energizes President Trumps base and you provide daily entertainment for his followers.

Thank you on both counts.

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metalpipe 3 years 26 weeks ago
#25

D, I wouldn't call it bitterness so much as abject fear for the survival of our species.

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metalpipe 3 years 26 weeks ago
#26

We all have a tiny bit of Hitler lurking within. Human existance is a bubble, and we are trapped inside. A fleshy jail cell where we think and feel and attempt to interact with nature and society; the outside world. All the while bombarded with chalenges. Reproduction, careers, relationships, financial burdens and aging. Flash to Donald Trump, an angry young man molded by an angrier father with more money than God. My view of humanity has been very bleak for the last 30 years, and that view has been reinforced by recent developements. Sure, there are little rays of hope that MAYBE this small bit of cosmic matter we call Earth will survive in it's present state; covered with life and abundance, but in general I'd say we are screwed. The have's will continue to hold fast to their wealth, power and influence completely oblivious to the destruction they leave in the wake of their greed. In fear and confusion the have not's will continue to envy the have's. All the while this fragile thing we call life, in all it's grand diversity, is dwindling away and falling to ash and rock. Time for a reset folks.

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metalpipe 3 years 26 weeks ago
#27

Wow, way to twist reality. Is this the hate radio spin? Interesting and frightening.

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metalpipe 3 years 26 weeks ago
#28

Sorry, this was supoosed to be a 'reply' to Drrichardpaul .

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BoxCar 3 years 26 weeks ago
#29

Trump is an INDEPENDENT who is exposing American 2-party System for what it is>(No diff between 1-party or 2-party System as System gets 100% of the vote) DOH

America and its Media has become {+"The Land of the BIG LIE" starting w/the JFK Coup where Media told us a Single man w/a BOLT=ACTION rifle shot JFK 4X in 6sec. Only TRUTH told was what Oswald said> "I'm a PATSY" All else was a BALD ASSED LIE and US Media has been propaganda every since starting w/Viet Nam war we fought to save Michellin Tyre Corporation's investments in 1000's of acres of rubber tree plantaions where NO Combat operations were allowed, BUT if an aircraft crashed there US Army map service surveyed/counted trees & issued documents to reimburse Michellin for damages inflicted on theri property by US Armed forces> what a bunch of crap where my take is 50000 miles ain't worth 20000 lives, IS IT?

Only REAL comparison of Trump w/Hitler is TRUTH that they could both say the establishment was SKEWED to favor those running the show to the detriment of the people> Hitler spoke TRUTH when he could say "You saw your GrandParents commit Suicide when their life savings were wiped out by war reparations imposed by Paris Versailles Treaty" Trump's similiarly tells us the economy is skewed in favor of Big Wigs of the establishment, hence he connected w/the common man, as Hitler did> So SORRY

As for Trump's so-called "Lies" there's a smattering of TRUTH in most of 'em> Example when he said 1000s of Muslims celebrated 9/11 in USA, he was RIGHT> On nat'l TV in every town in USA there were 1000s of Muslims celebrating 9/11 & I saw it myself DUH

When ALI was asked where Viet Nam was he said "IT'S ON TV" ALI was way ahead of the times as he recognized REALITY of the global media "in our face"

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Bob Hearns 3 years 26 weeks ago
#30

I think of Trump as a man who is mentally ill. He has a psychological disorder. He must always be the biggest and the best which is why he can't let go of not winning the popular vote and not having the biggest inauguration turnout. He also does not understand that the president is not all powerful and must follow the constitution. He is not capable of doing that. The crisis that began with Reagan has continued unabated and may come to a head with Trump in the White House. He needs to be watched very carefully.

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deepspace 3 years 26 weeks ago
#31

Political and religious thought constructs are the two most polarizing products of the human mind, forever dividing people, forever creating war. "My king protects me; your king threatens me. My god is true; your god is false."

Lofty concepts create their own reality and become more important than life itself, fanning fear and anger and hate, justifying the brutality of war, the slaughtering of soldiers and innocents alike. Kings and priests in flowing robes gaze down from on high at their enthralled multitudes and fawning disciples and expound upon the glory of it all, the selfless patriotism and heroic sacrifice, promising the riches of Earth, the marvelous afterlife, always in the future, just out of reach. All the while, these exalted demagogues bask in the wealth and power of the here and now as their people suffer and bleed.

"America First!" is a war cry of fear and hate. A Christian religion that divides is false. A selfish, greedy, power-hungry king wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross is just another petty, fascist overlord. History repeats itself, and humankind is one step closer to extinction.

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g.sherri 3 years 26 weeks ago
#32

The hustle and bustle and media flurry following destructive intentions, childish drama, inappropriate appointees and inhumane executive orders is planned chaos to mask the most major scandal our country is now suffering. A FOREIGN POWER HAS INTERFERED WITH OUR DEMOCRATIC ELECTION PROCESS and put a mentally unstable puppet in the white house. Is anyone even trying to investigating this? It is the foundation of everything else. The republican party has lied, cheated and stolen the election with the help of a dangerous foreign government and this fact is plowed under the rubble of massive outrage from dozens of other infractions. Mr Trump, mentally unstable as he is, is a master of distraction and sleight of hand. He knew he would win, which is why he set up the democrats to scream about peaceful transfer of power before the election so they would be seen as hypocrites if his 'win' were questioned. It was a total set up! His lies and 'mistakes' are intentional and masking much bigger issues. We need to focus on what is going on behind the scenes while juggling the circus thrown in our faces that is intended as red herring.

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angell73 3 years 26 weeks ago
#33

I am deeply worried that his rhetoric around the system being "rigged" or the "fraudulent illegal immigant votes" is a set-up to him not leaving office. I have said that since last Summer, that if he was elected he won't leave. However, I'm not sure he's a diabolical genius in this pursuit, I think it's mor likely he's just a malignant narcissist who can't stand losing and is accidentially setting this scenario up. Either way, it's the scarriest thing I've ever witnessed!

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deepspace 3 years 26 weeks ago
#34

The system is rigged; it is not simply rhetoric -- just not in the way that Trump imagines.

Republican state legislatures and Secretaries of State have been methodically purging Democrats from the voting rolls for decades by the millions, along with every other sleazy tactic they think can slip by public awareness.

The hard evidence of massive "election" fraud is extensive and overwhelming, while there is zero evidence of "voter" fraud. It's the biggest scandal in American political history and has rendered our already weakened democracy into a joke. For obvious reasons, the establishment power structure and their enabling corporate media mouthpieces choose to ignore it at all cost.

A good starting point to wake people up is Greg Palast's "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy." Brad Friedman has also done a lot of heavy lifting on the subject, along with many other honest and competent journalists, lawyers, and investigators who are desperately trying to break the media sound barrier.

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g.sherri 3 years 26 weeks ago
#35

You've probably seen blackboxvoting.org I imagine fractioning votes is why the recount was stopped in places where paper ballots could have been used as evidence.

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deepspace 3 years 26 weeks ago
#36

Thanks for the source, g.sherri! That's a good one.

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ErinRose 3 years 26 weeks ago
#37

I don't think it matters who is in the WH. We all know that the DNC and the Democratic Party have sold out to the Deep State and profits. So, no matter what variation on a theme (an Obama or a Trump) the Deep State is still in control. On the campaign trail, the candidates are allowed to say anything that will get themselves elected, but once elected, the Deep State powers move in, have a little chat with the POTUS, scare the daylights out of him or do whatever it takes to have him do their bidding, and from then on it's business as usual; we have seen this since Reagan. The Democrats sent me a picture of Obama deep in thought, but if you looked at his eyes you could see panic and terror as the relity of his situation was hitting home. Trump is brash and will put up a fight so they will "manage" him; they will only tell him certain things, edit everything he comes in contact with, placate his massive ego; keep him happy, and guide his decisions to deliver what they want. Listen to his inaguration speech. Then look at who ended up around him (just like Obama with Emmanuel, Rubin, and Summers.) They may tip-toe around Trump, but they will be an organized team of the Deep State with a definite agenda of their own and now that the Right is in the saddle with a Right-wing Congress, Conservative SCOTUS, and a kid for a POTUS, they are going to make hay while the sun shines. The Millenials better get up off the bench and get out on the field if they want to have ANY hope of not ending up in a Neo-Feudal society as galley slaves with a copper ring around their necks, or an RFI chip under their skin (and you think I'm kidding about this.) These crazies want to take us back to 1840, if not 700 AD. Energizing the Millenials should be a key feature to any strategy. Even if they aren't old enough to vote, they can work at the various party HQs and begin to learn the ropes from the intro-level on up. And they can also be effective online combatting all of the Right-wing trolls who are out there posting any lie or derrogatory sting they can. (I even got a memo from some Rightie instructing the trolls to "use the Democrats words against them.") So, there is a lot that can be done by the younger ones that would be instantly helpful and cumulatively reinforcing and strengthening, too.

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leighmf 3 years 26 weeks ago
#38

deepspace, You make the most sense of anyone I've read here for a decade.

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deepspace 3 years 26 weeks ago
#39

Thanks, leighmf. I get ornery sometimes, but am honored and humbled to be a small part of this wonderful community of sincere people who are trying earnestly to get at the truth of things in these dangerous times.

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karlmarx1947 3 years 26 weeks ago
#40

Look Trump is very very bad and is trying to be an authoritarian president. Our oligarchy is showing its age i.e. the government itself is getting more and more senile. That being said some of the major preconditions of a German/Italian/Japanese style fascism is not met. This is true despite the gutting of the middle class over the last 30 years while the democratic party mostly sat idly bye

1. There are million person protests to Trump at hugh protests at airports. The federal judicialry is fighting him so far his military and police are largely abiding by laws unlkke Andrew Jackson.

2. While conditions in the Midwest, the area most responsible for election Trump are dire, they do not compare with the great Depression in Weimar. Instead there is a regional recession/depression and as in Germany a small plurality electing Trump.

3. The opposition in Washington state specifically by the governments of Washington State, and Hawaii along with Massachusetts, New York, and Virginia was unprecedented in Nazi Germany. Even more significant Amicas briefs filed against the Ban by Major American Corporations, indicate that the corporate establishment is split in support of Trump.

4. The weakness of the Democratic Party paradoxically relatively to the Weimar Communist party removes motivation of the corporate establishment to support Trump. The Democratic Party has supported fascist trade policies such as Nafta with its ISDS and ditto for TPP causing some of the threat today to begin with. Nobody sees Democratic Support as Tantamount to desruction of Corporate Power as In Weimar.

All of this being said, the U.S. with a proto-authoritarian regime much more intelligent than it is given credit for is unstable. With a Depression or a Trumped up military threat all bets are off. I think the latter today is hard to pull off however, Americans are justifiably skeptical of War Threats and the Media Support . Its not beyond possibility and heightened activism no matter how little an individual thinks he can do is all I can think of as possibilities. We do not have the power to transform the government or corporate American short of a revolt.

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