Do Republicans Understand the Point of Healthcare?

The Congressional Budget Office has finally come out with its big analysis of the Republican Party's plan to replace Obamacare, and surprise, surprise, a lot people are going to lose their health insurance if this thing becomes the law - 24 million of them in fact.

This is not the big, beautiful healthcare plan that Donald Trump promised on the campaign trail - but what can you expect from people who fundamentally don't understand that healthcare is a right, not a privilege?

So the numbers really aren't good here for Republicans. According to the CBO:

- 14 million will lose health insurance by 2018

- 24 million people will lose health insurance by 2026

- Out-of-pocket costs like deductibles will be higher than under Obamacare

- In total, 6 million more people will be uninsured in 2026 than there were in 2009, leaving a total of 52 million uninsured

Isn't the ultimate problem here that Republicans are treating healthcare like a commodity and thus a privilege as opposed to a fundamental human right?

Comments

stopgap's picture
stopgap 5 years 14 weeks ago
#1

The Republicans understand Health Care, just like they understand everything else: If you just make the Rich richer. Then somehow, everything will work out fine.

cccccttttt 5 years 14 weeks ago
#2

Tom point is well taken about the cost effective world view of a repub.

That said, US health costs per person are twice the rest of the industrialized

world because of insurance industry and unlimited law suits.

ct

wmleidy's picture
wmleidy 5 years 14 weeks ago
#3

there is a very fundamental problem, and that is the republicans have "educated" their voters to see healthcare as a resource issue, and, if healthcare is not a privilege there will not be enough resources to go around. what the democrats have utterly failed to do is to "educate" everyone that it is the tax structure that determines resources, and the rich have not paid their fair share of taxes since 1980. simply put, we are living in a gilded age and are waiting for the next charles dickens to tell it like it is!

OrgDevGuy's picture
OrgDevGuy 5 years 14 weeks ago
#4

Would that it was that, Thom. The Repugnicans are treating healthcare as an entitlement - one only for the rich. Their philosophy is simple: If you have to choose between food/shelter and healthcare, then you deserve neither.

Old Kel's picture
Old Kel 5 years 14 weeks ago
#5

2018 is coming and the retribution will be clear and finally understood by those republicans who will find themselves out of office...unless the impeachment comes sooner, like right after Donnie's income taxes are exposed. Then it'll be "Hands off the ACA!" and we can set about the business of getting more business out of government...'draining the swamp', as it were.

whpdwp's picture
whpdwp 5 years 14 weeks ago
#6

My request is that we somehow make the Republicans have same insurance that they are proposing for us: Accessible but unaffordable. Take away their premium policies, they don't deserve them anyways given the job they are doing. And two choices here for them, either give yours up and take what the "commoners - average people" can afford or give every American the same insurance the Congress and Senate members have. And I am really confused here, the seniors get a $3 (on average) increase per month on Social Security with an $8 increase in Medicare and the extra premium they have to pay for health insurance if they are ill and NOW they are proposing that seniors will be paying even more for their insurance? And they said Obama Care was designed to kill elderly? Ha! The GOP might as well come out and tell seniors to just die, oh wait I think one of the congressman did say it? Can I move to Canada now?

whpdwp's picture
whpdwp 5 years 14 weeks ago
#7

Love it!

FKnauss's picture
FKnauss 5 years 14 weeks ago
#8

I'm very troubled that the news anchors and democratic leaders never ask the difficult questions on this and other issues. Why, in answer to reducing the cost, don't these people ask "In reducing cost do you mean to the government or the people? Reducing the deficit means you are reducing the cost to government, not the people, so which one are you supporting? The people who need health care are being screwed by Trumpcare! We need Medicare for everyone!

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2950-10K 5 years 14 weeks ago
#9

Regarding the repeal of for profit Romneycare/Heritage Foundation/right-wing "health insurance" ......you'll never hear the "corpse" media mention how much more affordable non profit single payer is, and how well it works for the rest of the world.

You'll also never hear that as a result of the repeal, the top 0.1% will get an average tax cut of more than $207,000 !!!! What I do hear is that repeal will reduce federal deficits??? This is a big joke when at the same time a 54 billion increase in the military industrial spy complex spending is being proposed.

Now is the time to be screaming for single payer and raise the cap...those two issues alone would jolt even the foxmerized back into a self interested voting reality. Offense anyone???? At a time when it makes the most sense to fight for it, I hear absolutely zero about single payer. In fact it's very rare that a Democrat gets interviewed by any national media outlet anymore...including NPR and PBS. It's like the party doesn't exist.

Trump certainly is doing a number on these same outlets by shifting attention away from focus on his Russian collusion to... "Obama Tapped my phone." I hear that damn Breitbart fake news story repeated day and night on all corpse media outlets.....what's it been a week and a half now? Trump just bought more time by delaying the evidence release..LMAO. This country has turned into a total joke to the rest of the world. Putin sure is bent over laughing.

MaxM 5 years 14 weeks ago
#10

Thom, you interacted with Bernie Sanders for 10 or 11 years on the air. In all that time you seem to have missed his message about the 1 percent. Bernie never identified them with a political party. During his primary campaign, he spoke generally about removing their money and influence from the political process and from governing. He did not single out the Republicans as the only culprits. Even today he criticizes the corporate Democrats as well.

The 1 percent control both parties. Smashing the Republicans is but a partial, imperfect solution. Sure, around health care they want to do a lot of damage. Meanwhile, the Democrats joined the confirmation of Trump's neo-fascist cabinet picks, they rigged the primary against Bernie, today, they actively try to slander and marginalize progressives, Obama expanded drone strikes and wars in the Middle East, did nothing for working class and minority Americans and only improved the economy for the rich. The Dems did all these things in the service of the 1 percent.

Pointing your finger only at the Republicans is giving Americans less than half the story, and misdirecting their resistance, dooming them to fail. The influence of the 1 percent is not confined to acting upon and through political parties. To focus our opposition just on the parties would be a mistake. The 1 percent operates to achieve their goals through the corporate media, universities, think tanks, ALEC, local and state regulatory bodies and other social institutions. People must actively and continually oppose the 1 percent wherever their tentacles reach, not just inside the Republican Party.

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ikeberltersen 5 years 14 weeks ago
#11

What did the bill's architect, Paul Ryan, have to say about the CBO's numbers? That it wasn't the goal of the Republicans to win some 'coverage beauty contest.' Think about that. Millions of people losing their healthcare and he treats it as a game because in his mind, those people don't count.

The reason the CBO report predicted insurance rates going down after first going up? Because those in the 55-64 age bracket would be priced out of health care. That's also the demographic that needs the most health care, outside of those eligible for Medicare. Yes the insurance costs would come down because millions of older people will not be able to afford insurance, leaving a younger, healthier population that requires less medical treatment. This is not only heartless, it is vicious. Middle-aged people need to find out what this plan actually does.

stopgap's picture
stopgap 5 years 14 weeks ago
#12

Despite Trump's declaration that "healthcare is complicated." It is actually relatively simple. It's only complicated when you try to figure out a way for the rich to profit from it.

Legend 5 years 14 weeks ago
#13

Google Medical Tourism. Panama is a good choice.

deepspace's picture
deepspace 5 years 14 weeks ago
#14

At what point in the evolution of Christianity did it become a religion of endless war and indiscriminate killing, of cruelty and indifference to the plight of the poor and the sick, a religion of wealth and power and greed and selfishness and mindless materialism that poisons the land, the water, the air, the minds and bodies of every living being, and crushes the spirit? A nation ruled by those who loudly profess their abiding faith; yet, these are the fruits of their labor. A nation hanging on a cross of false religion and hypocrisy.

Dianereynolds's picture
Dianereynolds 5 years 14 weeks ago
#15

Interesting how the left and right embrace things like wikileaks and the CBO when the results or releases slide in their favor. In this case, somehow the number of people who were forced to purchase government healthcare under peanlty of law may now choose other options goes unreported, but are included in this report as negatives.

ikeberltersen's picture
ikeberltersen 5 years 14 weeks ago
#16

DianeReynolds: Let's use facts, not Republican talking points when discussing the Affordable Care Act. The individual mandate requires that people have health insurance that meets minimum essential coverage at least 9 months out of a calendar year. Most policies now meet that standard.

There is no requirement that you purchase that insurance through the exchanges, meaning you already are free to pick and choose the insurance you want as long as it meets the minimum requirements.

You are not forced under penalty of law to purchase government healthcare. That is simply not true. There is a penalty which is paid through your taxes if you don't have MEC. There are numerous exemptions and reductions available.

The only increased choice the Republican plan offers is the choice of crappy insurance plans that pay for very little. There are reasons that the ACA excluded those substandard plans: the ACA was shaping a health care system that works more efficiently. It's not perfect but it's an improvement over what we had.

Kilosqrd's picture
Kilosqrd 5 years 14 weeks ago
#17

Thom..."according to the CBO"...

Since when has the CBO been accurate? They were wildly off on their Obamacare predictions and none of you on the left has a clue as to why they were wrong, including you Thom.

K2

Dianereynolds's picture
Dianereynolds 5 years 14 weeks ago
#18

Duckduckgo: Will I have to pay a fine if i do not prove I have healthcare coverage?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julie-stich/have-health-insurance-be-_b_89...

Legend 5 years 14 weeks ago
#19

The ACA mandate was a stopgap to prevent someone from not buying insurance and then when needing insurance claiming pre-existing. The penalty is minimal for the poor and higher for those that could have afforded insurance. This was the only way to get pre-existing added. Republican Care also has a mandate that penalizes someone that does not get insurance by charging them 30% more (payable to the insurance provider) for 1 year. This mandate will cause the collapse of Republican Care. Many will not insure and take the gamble. If they lose they will insure and pay the 1 year penalty.

Google Medical Tourism.

rflood321's picture
rflood321 5 years 14 weeks ago
#20

Healthcare is a Right and is not complicated if you support Medicare for All!

It has the lowest overhead, complete access to all physicians, crosses state lines, would eliminate Medicaid, is supported by a line item tax, would allow for the greatest bargaining power for pharmaceutical prices, and all citizens can purchase supplemental insurance.When you get past the lies of both parties, it really is that simple! Obamacare was NOT the long term solution since it was a sell out to Big Pharma and Big Insurance, so it had absolutely NO Cost Containment! So, there is one big problem: Big Pharma and Big Insurance continue to own both political parties. Medicare for ALL would return Healthcare back to the people and out of the hands of these for-profit industries. And before someone responds about us having the "greatest healthcare in the world", consider this article in the New England Journal of Medicine:

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0910064Ranking 37th — Measuring the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System

Christopher J.L. Murray, M.D., D.Phil., and Julio Frenk, M.D., Ph.D., M.P.H.

N Engl J Med 2010; 362:98-99January 14, 2010DOI: 10.1056/NEJMp0910064

Dianereynolds's picture
Dianereynolds 5 years 14 weeks ago
#21

I will not leave the country to get a tooth pulled. I prefer to keep jobs in America not outsource my needs. Isn't that what the left is also all about?

deepspace's picture
deepspace 5 years 14 weeks ago
#22

In the century-old political debate about healthcare in the United States, the primary concern of conservative ideologues has seldom risen above their love of money to include empathy and compassion for the sick and the dying. For all its flaws, at least the ACA threw a lifeline to 20 million; by all accounts, the Republican replacement will cut that line.

To the larger dilemma, every problem inherent in both the ACA and AHCA plans centers around an ideology that to profit on sickness and death is a good thing. Insurance companies meet financial goals by collecting premiums and denying claims. For the sake of protecting billionaires' cash cows, Republican and Democratic compromisers and appeasers have created a Gordian knot that can only be solved by taking away the profit motive.

Widen the risk pool to include every human being; ban a predatory industry with its ridiculously high premiums from primary healthcare; pay for it with much smaller, graduated deductions from everyone's paychecks; include an equivalent graduated tax on the wealthy who derive their incomes by other means besides payroll; pick up the slack with a tiny fraction of the trillions wasted by the Pentagon.

And, to the delight of those on the right who place the importance of money over lives, a single-payer system run by the government can pay everyone's legitimate claims with much less paperwork and only a two to three percent overhead, as opposed to the private sector that, before the ACA, was stealing thirty to forty percent primarily to enrich the few at the top of their pyramid scheme while generating needless mountains of mind-boggling paperwork and extra hassle.

Ah, if only life were so simple!

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