Who has more power… Trump or the Freedom Caucus?
As the standoff heats up between Donald Trump and the Freedom Caucus - is the Republican Party on the verge of all-out civil war?
And if so - who'll come out on top: Trump and his red hat-wearing army or the Koch brothers and their million dollar mercenaries in Congress?
Donald Trump has now set his 140-character bulls eye on the House Freedom Caucus.
The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!
This morning - he told his 27.2 million Twitter followers that "The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast."
Trump then twisted in the knife by saying that "We must fight them [i.e the Freedom Caucus] & Dems, in 2018!"
So if Trump goes to war with the Kochs/Freedom Caucus, who wins? Who has more power?
The Freedom Caucus will kick 45's ass. The members of this group have already passed the guantlet of the tea party and have been cleansed in the blood of jesus christ ready to carry their tune for conservatives everywhere. Whoever gave 45 the direction to attack this group really screwed up BIG TIME. DUH! "You keep your enemies closer" The Kochs can buy and sell 45.
Behold: a battle royal between the forces of fascism and of theocracy -- between deregulated greed and self-righteous nonsense.
Meanwhile, the world burns and innocent people are starved and butchered. The United States run by heartless corporatists and radical Christianists is an evil empire and the worst terror organization of all. F*ck em all!
trump has to ask the Koch brothers for favors. Between them and Putin he does not need to make many decisions!
... who has more power ...?
Freedom Caucus LMAO....you mean the Teabaggers that couldn't handle being called Teabaggers. Using the word freedom with these Koch butt kissers is just as ridiculous as using the word populist in association with Crooked Donny.
What percentage of the population actually supports their extreme Libertarian agenda....maybe 4% on a good day?????
On the other hand according to polls Bernie's agenda is supported by the vast majority whether it be single- payer, raise the cap, living wage, tax the rich, you name it. Guess what, In a real democracy these things would already be law. Instead we have a Kochocracy with a bunch of Tea bag numb nuts doing their bidding...Freedom Caucus!... yeah right, very funny.
My answer to Thom's question...money is the real power in a fascist state, thus the question remains, who has more wealth? Seeing how Trump owes Putin at least 700 million, the real struggle is between Putin and the Kochs. The people I associate with figure the Kochs and Putin both have roughly equal amounts of wealth, around 200 billion. They're hiding vast amounts....which is why my figures are much higher than what Forbes indicates. Putin has direct control of a decent military spy complex, so I give him the victory over the Kochs and our country. Hey...Comey sided with him.
Well said deepspace!
Trump has been in office for a few weeks. It's too soon to know what to expect. My guess -- and it's only a guess -- is that Trump will do as the hard right demand. Democrats will remain Democrats. That is, if confronted about their votes on a particular issue, they'll inevitably whine, "We had no choice..."
I'm not surprised to see so much wishful thinking about somehow removing Trump from office, but we're stuck with reality -- and it's pretty complicated. Based on overall US attitudes and voting tendencies, Dems might make some gains in Congress in 2018, and Trump will probably be re-elected in 2020.
It's not clear what Sen. Sanders' agenda is today. He used to speak out powerfully about US poverty and the need for legitimate poverty relief programs. He dropped the issue from his campaign. He previously described himself as a democratic socialist, but this doesn't have much support today. Democratic socialism does include legitimate poverty relief, and Sanders campaigned to the middle class. On universal health care (by any other name), the discussion can't avoid the fact of our poor. What would be the logic of providing more than emergency room services to the poor, just to dump them back on the streets? Lack of adequate food and shelter take a very heavy toll on health.
This is very reminiscent of the Hillary Clinton vs. Bernie Sanders debacle that will fester and continue to enrage leftie/socialists for an election cycle or two.
It is very clear what Sen. Sanders' "agenda" is today; although, it is a lifelong cause rather than a simple political agenda. He did not drop the poverty issue, either during his campaign or now. He still, as always, describes himself as a democratic socialist, and this does have much support today. In fact, according to recent polling, he is the most popular politician in this country and is beloved by everyday people around the entire Western world, because he is genuine and is fighting for the common man and woman.
Democratic socialism is another name for what our forefathers believed in, which is exactly what FDR was all about, as well as most of the great progressives in American history. It is what created the greatest democracy and the strongest middle class ever to exist.
Gullible authoritarian followers susceptible to right-wing disinformation campaigns, lately perpetrated by Russian cyber warfare, are lost in mere labeling without understanding the truth behind the scare words. Our society is and always has been based on democratic socialism and regulated capitalism. The Founders called it "free enterprise" (without monopoly control) and "the commons."
Incidentally, "universal coverage" and "single payer" healthcare are two separate concepts, both for which Bernie has also fought long and hard.
On which "side" do you fight: for corporate fascism or for a people's democracy -- a constitutionally limited, representative, democratic republic, to be precise? We will end up with one or the other; such diametrically opposed political and economic systems certainly cannot coexist without major disruption and endless conflict:
Well said, Thank you, Deepspace. These truths are central to our survival as a democracy, to remaining a thinking, living, breathing, healthful human society. The human race cannot survive without compassion and governance that strives to better the quality of life for each and every individual, especially the most challenged.
I'm hoping the 'freedom caucus vs trump' war will implode, eliminating both sides and therefore deleting all current obstacles to healthful existence and democracy for the rest of us.
Why don’t we call the US medical delivery system what it is: a medical extortion system? If organized crime would have put the present system together, rather than a medical cartel in collusion with our elected “representatives,” the FBI would be cracking heads all over the country.
Just like illegal extortion, you need victims to make the treat visceral. What better incentive to make sure that most parents pay the protection money demanded than for them to hear of the death and other catastrophic consequences for children whose parents didn’t or couldn’t cough up the money?
if trump goes up against the koch brothers he will be as sunk as JFK was in 1963. most of america didn't know what was going on then and things have only gotten worse in 54 years.