How the GOP Is Going After ObamaCare Now

With House Republicans reportedly putting the finishing touches on a compromise deal, the GOP healthcare plan is officially back from the dead.

But don't get your hopes up - the new Trumpcare is just as bad as the old Trumpcare.

In fact - it might even be worse.

As part of a deal meant to coincide with Donald Trump's 100th day in office, the Freedom Caucus and a more moderate group of House Republicans known as the "Tuesday Group" are putting the finishing touches on a new GOP healthcare plan.

This new Republican healthcare plan would theoretically have an easier time passing the House than the old Obamacare replacement plan - but it would be a disaster for sick Americans.

Not only would it let states opt of rules that require insurance companies to cover vital services like hospital visits, it would also let them opt out rules that prevent insurance companies from jacking up premiums on people with pre-existing conditions.

This seems to be one of the only policies of Obamacare that most people agreed on is a good thing. Someone who's diagnosed with cancer shouldn't be priced out of the insurance market. And yet, here the Republicans are considering trashing it, in order to please the House Freedom Caucus, rather than 190 something Democrats.

How does this make any sense?

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Old Kel 5 years 9 weeks ago
#1

Uproar: a word used to imply taking action against something terrible. Now in response to 'uproar' we have 'up yours' which seems to be the new battle cry of the 'con servatives' of this once again great American notion...er nation.

Legend 5 years 9 weeks ago
#2

What is really sad is how many Republicans and Trump voters that are going to be screwed by this. But then, they deserve it. The Dems do not.

Scotty11 5 years 9 weeks ago
#3

Anyone laying bets on which State(s) has the first secession vote? Would it be possible to form a new 'Country within a Country' from states that don't have contiguous borders?...say Oregon and Vermont...perhaps the 'Affiliated States of North America'.

Better yet, seceed and petition to become a Province...at least we'd get Health Care.

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johnbest 5 years 9 weeks ago
#4

The degenerates have come up with another "bill" which will cause up to 29 million Americans to lose health care. A group of doctors estimates that, with the previous bill, 44,000 Americans a year would die. THIS IS PLANNED GENOCIDE and we cannot let these bastards get away with it. In addition, cuts to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Meals on Wheels, school lunches for children and Planned Parenthood will result in many more deaths. My Congress asshole Steve Pearce is one of the freedom caucus and is a multi-milionaire to boot. He is controlled by the oil zillionaires in Southeast New Mexico. He was afraid to hold town hall meetings in my area and I would have had to drive 200 miles each way to attend. He talks a good game promising jobs and the like but isn't keeping his promise.

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wmleidy 5 years 9 weeks ago
#5

trumpcare makes perfect sense if you want taxcuts for the rich and loathe the other 99 percent that didn't fund your congressional election and were ignorant and complacent enough to vote for you. time to wakey wakey america, the coffee is brewing and it doesn't smell good.

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Kend 5 years 9 weeks ago
#6

Pump the brakes a little. You are a little narrow minded when you are rejecting something you haven't seen yet. Aren't you? I guess it makes sense as most Democrats voted for Obamacare without even reading it.

Legend 5 years 9 weeks ago
#7

Kend, I am now on Medicare and pay $121 per month for a plan that covers 80%, where the 20% costs about 5 times what it does in other civilized countries. Do the math. This is the "good" plan. Thus you need supplemental insurance at around $200+ per month or do like I do and join a non profit advantage plan. Advantage plans are good if you are healthy. Very few are non profit. Before hitting the magical age of 65 my wife and I paid $1200 per month for a Cobra plan that I would consider marginal at best. Spent hours on the phone and writing letters over the minimal charges that we did have.

This year my brother in law passed away at 60. He had had a business failure during the Bush/Cheney Depression and never recovered. Lost his house. Lost his wife who got a lot. Then his health started to fail. Did not qualify for SS because "he had $16000 in the bank". Lived in TX which has no Medicare expansion. Moved to NM to get medicare but passed right before he got it. His last bill was for 6 days in the hospital $120000.

Now Kend, how about being honest and telling us what you spend on medical care. Put something other than snide remarks. Put down some fact, maybe with some documentation.

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2950-10K 5 years 9 weeks ago
#8

LMAO....I don't think anyone had their hopes up on a compromise deal.

It's just a bunch of self-serving Teapublican "public servants" ???? doing the bidding of their billionaire donors while ignoring the single-payer desires of the vast majority. ...and oddly enough, many of those citizens who desire single-payer turn around and vote Teapublican. It's all just foxaganda insane!

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Kend 5 years 9 weeks ago
#9

Legend I can't tell you what I pay for healthcare. I live in Alberta Canada where we have a provincial (state) healthcare plan that covers all basic and catastrophic healthcare issues and I as well as my employees also have a private care plan that covers things not covered by the government like ambulance, meds, all eye care, dental, wheelchairs, etc. That costs me about $200 USD a month per person. The reason I can't tell you is no one knows, it is all hidden in our taxes. I can tell you that our personal taxes are much higher than yours. Of course the wealthy subsidize the less fortunate as you do with all your social programs. Keep in mind Canada only has 35 million people about a tenth of your population and we have 3 times the resources that are all owned by the government so this subsidizes healthcare tremendously. At the end of the day healthcare costs the same for both of us we just pay for it differently. Your healthcare is much better than ours if you are well off and much worse if you aren't. Here everyone has ok care equally. We can wait up to a year for some non life threatening problems like shoulder, knee etc. But we all get taken care of. I see a couple of things you need to do down there. Stop the ridiculous law suits that force medical companies from paying billions in insurance and find a way to reduce your pharmaceutical costs. I have said many times my eye drops at the same pharmacy same brand in Canada $20 in Scottsdale AZ $130. That is just wrong.

By the way if you need long term meds many of my American freinds fly up here and buy meds here and save thousands. With our low dollar it is a great savings and holiday at the same time.

I guess what I am trying to say is there is no easy solution, healthcare is very expensive, period. Americans have to be told the truth. It is going to cost everyone a lot more to have healthcare for everyone. Are middle class Americans willing to pay more so less fortunate Americans can have the same care as they have. Because the wealthy never pay. Our tax systems don't work that way

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Hephaestus 5 years 9 weeks ago
#10

Just why?

Can't humans simply do the right thing using common sense?

Would you do or accept these mindless unecessary cruel actions against yourself?

Scotty11 5 years 9 weeks ago
#11

Kend; You ask if the American middle class is willing to pay more to support those less fortunate financially. You bet. I'm the middle class...sometimes barely so (on the low end), yet the concept of more taxes for Health Care, Education and many social services is fine with me.

What isn't all right with me is the 50% or more of my taxes going to 'Defense'...and probably going up what with our bombing Syria and building a ridiculous wall to the South.

Might wake some Americans up if one morning they turn on the news to hear Trudeau say Canadians are building a wall to keep the Americans out...and he wants the USA to pay for it.

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hanbaiki 5 years 9 weeks ago
#12

I hate to say this, but this will likely pass. Why? The 1st one failed not because of all the activism against it. It failed because there were republicans who opposed it because it didn't go far right enough, which means it collapsed under the weight of the Republican's own greed. If they did come to a compromise, then that means they are all on board now and it will pass along party lines.

Legend 5 years 9 weeks ago
#13

Kend, If you go to Phoenix many Americans Conservative claim that you are the type (Canadian) that is clogging the Mayo Clinic, seeking healthcare that you cannot get in Canada. It is even on the Conservative radio stations. But as most Conservative statistics untrue. Most everyone cannot afford the 100% cost of medical care in America. Even the insurance Companies get a discount on the 100% cost.

Lawsuits is also one of those smokescreens thrown up by the Conservatives. Sure the AMA would like zero. 27% of the cases are won by the plaintiff. Many (as in my brother in law) never develop into a lawsuit because so many papers were signed preventing any case. You do not get surgery unless you sign a ton of paperwork that releases them from lawsuit.

Right now our Government is controlled by the 1%. Who as you point out get excellent medical care. The fat pig Rush Limbaugh did not want to be forced to buy medical insurance because he could afford the 100% cost. Medical Bankruptcy is huge in America. And the real crime of the wealthy is not letting poor children get medical care.

I am on Medicare which is supposed to be the best. But when you review it you cannot afford it without supplemental from one of the for profit insurance companies or an Advantage Plan. Thom knocks Advantage Plans but I prefer mine over paying for a for profit ripoff plan. When you pay the 20% with Medicare you are paying for a procedure that costs 5 times what it should thus you pay 100%.

I have been preaching Medical Tourism for a long time on this site. Even Dental work is much cheaper in Panama than the USA. Medicare does not cover Dental. I looked into separate Dental insurance I calculated that you would basically break even over a 2 year period if you had dental work done. It was $35 per month and the most that you could get back over 2 years was $1000. Plus you would still owe the Dentist a percentage. Fortunately I have good teeth but if I need most anything beyond a cleaning I am taking a vacation to Panama. Two friends have. I have said that Cuba should go into the medical tourism business. Advertise on TV. Package plans at beach resorts etc. There are Medical Tourism websites with India being very popular for major things such as heart bypass surgery. If enough people do not buy insurance and plan on using medical tourism it may make the AMA think about costs.

https://www.health-tourism.com/panama-medical-tourism/

http://www.medicaltourismpanama.com/

http://www.worldpropertyjournal.com/featured-columnists/the-panama-wire/...

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2950-10K 5 years 9 weeks ago
#14

A compromise deal is not a compromise without Democratic Party input!

May the Democratic members of congress remember to return the same favor and never compromise with the Fascist owned members of congress....on anything.

Let's not forget the massive partisan damage McConnell has done to this country the past eight years....and now his wife gets rewarded with out tax dollars.

To hell with Resist.....REVOLT!

BTW: Tillerson's Exxon got turned down on their waiver request from Russian sanctions. So plan A is out the window. Now it's on to Plan C ....Putin has to turn against Assad. That will be the sanction lifting deal. Plan B has already been turned down by Tillerson, which was.....Assad gets granted asylum in Russia!

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ErinRose 5 years 9 weeks ago
#15

"How does any of this make any sense?"

Easy. It makes sense in the light of the Georgia Guide Stones, reducing the population to a controllable number (I think the suggested amount is one-half billion planet wide,) and thereby getting rid of opposition to the New World Order.

The Republicans have long been in favor of getting rid of people who have "outlived their usefulness"; mentally ill, handicapped, Seniors, LGBT, persons of color, the poor (whom they believe are poor because God doesn't smile on them, or they are too lazy or defective to be successful in and at business,) etc..

In fact, many years ago, Senator John Cornyn of Texas introduced a bill proposing the required euthanasia of any and all who had reached a majority of 50 years old.

I don't remember if it was part of his bill or just talk around it, but it was suggested that when one reached their 50th birthday, they would go to their local health center and check themselves in to be euthanized. This bill obviously never passed, but it does go to show you what's on the minds of Republicans and how they view, and are thinking about, things.

At the moment they are busy purging the US of undocumented immigrants. I have heard many people (Chris Hedges, TYT, Jimmy Dore, etc.,) say that this is the beginning; that they are going to work their way up from this to eliminating Blacks, Indigenous, and then all Brownies, because they want a White (supremacy) America only.

I'm surprised the Republicans don't support more abortion, especially in ghetto neighborhoods, or we don't see more incidences of covert sterilization among what Republicans consider undesirables.

Aside from their maniacal obscession with the acquisition of money, White (male) supremacy is the only thing they really care about, and murdering off everyone who doesn't fit their zeitgeist poses no problem at all. If anything, it is seen as "herd management" just like any animal in the wild whose numbers exceed manageable amounts. And by depriving health care, they speed up the death rate to achieve their goals, while making obscene amounts of money in the process. All of this "pre-existing condition" stuff is very consistent with weeding out the weak. It seems likely that they justify pre-existing conditions as a "process of elimination" coupled with "natural selection". ***

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ErinRose 5 years 9 weeks ago
#16

#Kend: Yes, health care is very expensive but so is our Defense Budget. However, there is more justification for health care than there is for a for-profit, imperialistic, so-called "National Defense Budget".

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Kend 5 years 9 weeks ago
#17

Erinrose. I know a lot of American Republicans and not one of them is anything like you are describing above. That is just ridiculous. Yes your defence budget is overwhelming but I think Trump is right. Start charging for the worlds protection. Someone has to police the world but let's do it the capitalist way and make a profit at it. Other countries have a choice. Pay or look after your self.

With healthcare just be honest. Obama told everyone nothing would change. Of course things are going to change if you provide tens of millions of people who can't afford healthcare with healthcare. If you where honest the majority of Americans would have no problem with it. "Mr and Mrs tax paying American, you have to pay more to subsidize those who can't pay anything ". See it's easy.

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deepspace 5 years 8 weeks ago
#18

Trying to follow the logic of your average, low-information Republican explaining how to "reform" healthcare is like trying to make sense of chattering chimps at the zoo, picking their butts and flinging crap at passersby.

They are trapped in boring, dead-end lives and are obviously greatly agitated, but hooting and howling and spreading sh*t around is such a poor way to communicate with one's more sentient neighbors. Although mildly entertaining at first, it is ultimately very depressing to witness living things waste their miserable, frustrating lives in tiny cages.

But enough about Republican monkeys grunting and screeching on Fux News! At least the more evolved members of their genus at the zoo receive healthcare regardless of their status within the group.

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k. allen 5 years 8 weeks ago
#19

It occurs to me, a more highly evolved race of beings is selectively breeding humans, just as humans breed other mammals, selecting those who survive for preferred qualities ... doing away with those who do not meet the standards (think show dogs with the wrong coloration.)

Now, let's examine what real options exist for humans. What does it take to live in good health, how do we align our hopes and habits to serve health and well being, rather than getting sucked into the vortex of so many distractions/diversions to the point we actually believe the industries can, or will save our lives?

How do we avoid getting sucked in, when all roads lead to that same chute?

"... narrow the way and straight the gate ...?"

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