Is Trump's "Obstruction of Justice" Enough For Impeachment?
After weeks of wall-to-wall media coverage - was Comey Day worth the hype?
It was a big day in Washington yesterday as former FBI Director James Comey testified in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee about the ongoing Russia investigation.
As expected, the big question hanging over the entire hearing was whether Donald Trump committed obstruction of justice when he tried to stop Comey from looking into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.
At one point he was asked point blank whether Trump obstructed the investigation into Michael Flynn:
"I don't think it's for me to say whether the conversation I had with the president was an effort to obstruct. I took it as a very disturbing thing, very concerning, but that's a conclusion I'm sure the special counsel will work towards to try and understand what the intention was there, and whether that's an offense."
Did you see enough evidence yesterday to charge Trump with Obstruction of Justice?
We need to impeach tRump first, before we charge him with anything.
I do, but I'm not a lawyer. As Comey said, it's Mueller's call.
What do you think, Thom?
Of course, it was obstruction of justice. When Comey did not come to heel and dispense with the Russian investigation that includes Trump's son in law (and by extension his daughter) and his cronies and the Don himself, Trump fired him for insubordination of something Trump illegally wanted. Real simple, doesn't take a Sherlock to understand that. Any person with an ounce of honesty knows Trump is a liar. Gimme a break. Trump is a chronic habitual liar, everything from Obama not being American to thousands of Muslims cheering the fall of the Twin Towers, to Obama tapping his line to Mexico paying for the wall. A consummate liar that will now attempt to lie out of this and Ryan and McConnel plus most of the Republican party will all be lying their asses off.
There is no there there. Time to let Trump stumble forward and make a fool of himself rather than the Democrats make complete idiots of themselves frothing over this false narrative of Russian collusion.
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Well here is the legal definition of obstruction of justice from the federal code:
Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, endeavors to influence, intimidate, or impede any grand or petit juror, or officer in or of any court of the United States, or officer who may be serving at any examination or other proceeding before any United States magistrate judge or other committing magistrate, in the discharge of his duty, or injures any such grand or petit juror in his person or property on account of any verdict or indictment assented to by him, or on account of his being or having been such juror, or injures any such officer, magistrate judge, or other committing magistrate in his person or property on account of the performance of his official duties, or corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
It seems to me that Trump "endeavored to influence" by use of "threatening communication."
I don't see obstruction of justice. I think the fact that Comey didn't stop Trump from asking means he was interested in what Trump had to say. Not forced to listen.
I think what will be Trumps downfall will be when he is asked to testify under oath and produce tapes. He can't do either so he'll resign, ala Nixon style. Then he'll tell everyone he resigned to help the country.
Trump the Don committed a high crime by firing the FBI Director to impede a serious investigation into an underlying crime that is orders of magnitude more consequential to this nation, and to the rest of the so-called free world, than the investigation into a third-rate burglary, which Nixon ("I'm not a crook.") tried to obstruct, ultimately forcing that low-life scum to resign or face certain impeachment.
Never one for subtlety, the latest Republican scoundrel, an immature child playing a fake president, had the audacity to deliberately lie directly into the incredulous faces of the American people when caught red-handed with his hand in the cookie jar, even while stupidly contradicting himself by admitting it on several occasions, including during an exclusive meeting with top Russian officials/spies immediately after firing Comey. What else does Congress need? This wannabe mob boss has established a consistent pattern of guilty behavior with an extensive public record of his inner thinking process, intention, and motive.
By every definition, the actions of Boy King Joffrey have resulted in a clear obstruction of justice case, which would land any mere mortal in Federal prison for a long time. According to the Constitution, to which members swear an oath to "support and defend," Congress has a mandated, separation-of-powers duty to begin the impeachment process.
Everyone knows without a doubt they would do no less if it was Hillary! Right? Shortly before Christmas in 1998, Republicans gleefully initiated impeachment proceedings against her tacky husband for a much lesser charge -- lying under oath about sex, for chrissake! The only conceivable reason these unprincipled hypocrites wouldn't do so now is that they're putting the crass interests of their billionaire-funded party above the good of the People's nation.
Since polling averages show a large majority of the electorate -- including some honest Republicans -- believe that Trump fired Comey to protect his own fat ass. Democrats would be damn fools not to call for impeachment and to keep it on the front burner for as long as possible. Not only is it the right thing to do for the health of our weakened democracy, by serving as a warning to future presidents with authoritarian tendencies, it is a winning issue as well for 2018 and 2020. John Nichols was absolutely correct when he stated that impeachment is not a constitutional crisis; it is the cure for a constitutional crisis already underway.
Similarly, Democrats would be even bigger fools not to clamor for Medicare for all, for rejoining the world's coordinated efforts to reduce carbon emissions, and for reducing our oversized military footprint, which is squandering so much blood and treasure, and which is only serving as the main recruitment advertisement for terrorists and as a rapacious get-rich-quick scheme for Wall Street billionaires. Now is the time! These are very popular and critical issues, and Republicans are floundering badly on all of them. The Democratic Party needs to stiffen its spine and learn how to fist fight without gloves, to take the offense instead of always playing defense, to play hardball -- like Republicans surly would if the table was reversed!
Of course, even after John F. Kennedy showed them the way, when have week-kneed Democrats ever been accused of being too tough on their opponents, or of displaying too much courage and resolve? Their constituents bumper-sticker message should be clean and simple: Stand up and fight or keep on losing!
What if Crooked Donnys own party decides to impeach him to install Pence? Should the Dems block the impeachment? They could. I say, let the rightie bastards suffer with their Comey/Putin installed numbnut until after the 2018 election.
How do we know Comey isn't now trying to install Pence?
BTW: I hear that Putin is hiding Trump's name on all of his investments in Russia. He's using a temp anonymous ID on all financial connections. That from Eastern Europe.
Let's be honest, shall we? The Cheeto-in-Chief could commit murder in the middle of a press briefing, with the cameras rolling, and the Republicans -would- =still= find an excuse =not= to do a damn thing!! They don't give a tinker's damn -what- he does or has done, as long as he allows them to continue pulling the crap they've done to =further= destroy our country! They =literally= don't care a wit about this country or its people .. AND .. they're no longer even -pretending- to be subtle about it! Sheesh.
I don't there's enough there yet, but the more he tweets or opens his mouth the worse things will get for him. I think the deeper they dig the real truth will come out and he will be gone.
Salacious scandals are never short-lived in the D.C. circus town. Trump is a great recruitment poster for getting out the Democratic vote and should be juiced for all he's worth. Whether or not he's actually impeached isn't the point; people won't soon forget the corrupt party that gave us a corrupt leader who clearly should be impeached.
No worry, if he actually does get impeached by some miracle change of heart by Republican leadership (Yeah right!); Pense, the religious-whackjob hypocrite, should be just as vulnerable as Trumpinski, the unwitting Russian stooge, as far as being a worthless liar and bigot with a long and sordid history. There's a good reason Pense was largely an ineffectual Teapublican Representative (none of his bills passed) and a good reason he was one of the most hated governors in Indiana's history. He is just not the big-bad, right-wing superman/bogeyman that he is sometimes portrayed as.
And, if the press and the Democrats would do their efing jobs, he should be dragged through the mud of the Russian scandal and its accompanying obstruction-of-justice crimes as much as Trump. Remember, Mike Dunce was heading the campaign's transition team and had to know that Flynn was an unregistered, paid foreign agent of Turkey and closely allied with Russian interests (since they were told about it ahead of time), yet hired him anyway, green-lighted his security clearance, and then lied "big-league" about what he knew and when he knew it.
Democrats don't have the power to pass an Articles of Impeachment bill anyway. However, they certainly have the power to keep offering the bill to publicly shame Republican fascists, who more than deserve it -- much like what McConnell and Ryan had in store for a Clinton presidency, and much like how they repeatedly offered anti-abortion and repeal-Obamacare legislation during the Obama years, even though they knew these symbolic bills had zero chance facing a veto pen. It was all about the optics.
If Democrats can learn from Republicans how to play the game as a minority party, perhaps enough oxygen can be sucked out of the news cycle and legislative process that much of the Republican's destructive agenda can be bogged down. That would be a boon for the nation's working people and families, which would seem to be the main point with elections less than 18 months away.
Liberals and progressives of all stripes need to hold Republicans accountable for their spectacular failures, while at the same time reframe their own positive agenda, with Medicare-for-all front and center. The contrast between the nation's two biggest parties needs to be a bright-yellow fluorescent line, instead of a fuzzy-gray, corporate paint job that bleeds onto both sides of aisle.
We spent most of the Bush administration right on the brink of, preparing for, on the very verge of... At this point, I would urge people to first read what constitutes an impeachable offense. Then weigh the odds of this Congress moving forward with the impeachment process.
You got all the rhetoric right, but the Russian Tale doesn't hold water. The leading claim is that Russia somehow hacked into voting machines to ensure that Trump got the most votes. Well, that didn't happen. Google the 2016 election results. Clinton got the most votes, and Russia had nothing to do with it. Trump got the Electoral College votes, and Russia had nothing to do with that, either.
The fact is, both candidates were strongly opposed by much of their own voting bases -- a point that truly does need further public examination. In the end, roughly half of all voters rejected both, and voted third party or withheld their votes. And again, Clinton won the most votes.
Natasha and Boris went back home, and it's time to finish this episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle.
DHBranski. With all do respect, you're missing the main point of this particular blog entirely and are wandering off into other side issues, albeit important ones in their own right. The odds of Republicans, who are in total control of Congress, impeaching their own president are near zero, of course -- despite any clear evidence of a crime. Regardless of the chances, however, it is not the likely Russian collusion that is impeachable, at this time anyway (although with harder evidence, it certainly would be); it is the obstruction of justice charge that is impeachable.
And, sorry, this is not merely rhetoric. He fired Comey, and admitted numerous times that he did so to stymie the investigation into his Russian connections! No matter what the he-said-he-said, intimidating conversation was at the White House dinner, Trump followed through with an outward, indisputable act of commission to obstruct.
Nixon wasn't facing imminent impeachment because of the underlying crime of the Watergate break-in; it was because of his overt obstruction of justice of the investigation into the matter, which was much worse than the break-in itself. Let us not confuse two separate crimes.
Furthermore, to address one of your seeming non sequiturs, the Russian hacking of voting machines was not the "leading claim" of Trump's original Russian problems (BTW, intelligence sources say it did happen, though without much statistical affect). The most significant allegations were possible collusion and money laundering.
Besides, it's not Russians hacking the vote and possibly delegitimizing some of our elections that should worry us the most; it's the Republican Party deligitimizing a wide swath of elections. One would be prudent to research Interstate Crosscheck, voter ID laws, extreme partisan gerrymandering, and the many other ways Democratic voters are being disenfranchised by the millions in many state and national elections every single cycle, which has been occurring over the course of decades. Greg Palast and Brad Friedman are good sources with whom to begin.
Putin did in fact impact how citizens voted via the cyber/propaganda attack....our fascist controlled media was a partner to this. This is hybrid warfare and Putin successfully denigrated Clinton with it.
The absence of bombs and death is no longer equivalent to absence of warfare.
You could argue that Fox News is better than Russia at this type of hybrid warfare, but Putin's motives are much more different than Murdochs. Putin is simply trying to weaken us by installing complete idiots to run the country.
Thom, I'm very concerned the Democrats are walking into a trap by pushing this Russian hacking/collusion narrative. We learned, AGAIN, from Comey and others that there is no Trump investigation because there is no solid evidence. Michael Flynn might be a problem, but he was fired - so case closed. The obstruction charge is based on hearsay. It's not enough to overthrow a president.
As for the Russian meddling claim, that is solely based on a third party report. There was never an actual FBI investigation of the DNC hard drives. CrowdStrike has nefarious political connections, has misled the FBI in the past, and refuses to testify under oath. We learned from Wikileaks Vault 7 that countries false flag their hacking tools. Furthermore, a country as sophisticated as Russia, would not leave an obvious trace.
What worries me is this soft COUP of an ELECTED US President (let that sink in) would be incredibly damaging to our country. We are not a third world country. We have a constitution and laws. Our markets, our national security, our standing in the world depend upon it. (And, please no more nonsense about how Trump is a Nazi. It's not true and it's not thoughtful).
What do I expect from you and the mature and clear thinking Democrats? We need to use our energy and time to rally around the legislation introduced by Bernie and Tulsi. Let's shut up about what we cannot change (the election) and work towards winning the next few. We all know Steve Bannon is sitting back and watching the Democrat implosion. We need to turn this around. Thom, we need your leadership.
Panda, This is just a starter for links. Took maybe 3 minutes. Do you remember Mitt Romney saying that the greatest threat to America is Russia. What changed? It is also worrisome that it took a leaker to release NSA intelligence showing a Russian Connection. Why was this not released to the public. We have a right to know. Does it not bother you at all that he fired the head of the FBI (a Republican) to try and stop the investigation and bragged about it?
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Pandas4Peace: You are grossly mischaracterizing the Russian problem. Democrats are not "pushing [a] narrative." This is outside reality beyond the control of either party. All 17 of our intelligence agencies are in absolute agreement that multiple, key members of Trump's campaign are likely to have colluded with agents of Putin, and that Russia hacked into campaign servers and voting machines. The investigation is ongoing, and while Trump is not yet a target, he very possibly could be in the future, if that is where the facts lead. It will play out as it will.
By the way, firing an FBI Director because he was conducting an investigation is not "hearsay" -- it happened, and it is the very definition of obstruction of justice. Unfortunately, you are a victim who is "walking into a trap" of right-wing spin. Why would any concerned citizen in a so-called free country with a so-called free press not want to know the simple, objective truth, beyond any political considerations??? Lies and obfuscation are what undermine a democracy!
2950-10K: Agreed. This is warfare by a different name but warfare nonetheless. We are literally under attack by a powerful enemy on all cyber fronts, which now includes our election system, the beating heart of democracy. Hacking into the parties' servers, deploying an army of bots throughout social media, testing the vulnerability of voting machines, a massive propaganda campaign in favor of one candidate over the other, etc. are all battlefield tactics.
Putin is neither a Democrat nor a Republican; he's a ruthless opportunist whose overall strategy is to sow confusion and distrust to undermine our democracy and destroy people's faith in our government and its institutions. This time, Trump happens to be the favored one -- no doubt because Putin perceives him (correctly) as weak and easily manipulatable. Russia won a major victory in this war, yet most of our corporate politicians and naive citizens are either in denial, too numb to care, or profiting politically (and perhaps financially) on the mayhem.
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Quote deepspace:when have week-kneed Democrats ever been accused of being too tough on their opponents, or of displaying too much courage and resolve?
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The greatest part of this whole charade is watching you leftie/socialists run around with your hair on fire over "the Russians" and meanwhile Trump and the republicans are chewing away everything Obama signed or promoted as a cause.
Keep up your tilting at windmills and God bless you fools that refuse to accept any argument that refutes your blind faith in unicorns that somehow your continual screeching will get President Trump impeached. Even when one of your own more rational comrades suggests you are incorrect in your beliefs you retaliate like a schoolyard bully.
Even the thickest of you seems not to understand of Trump is out then you have Pence in the oval office.
Intellectual cattle you all are. Time to return to the barn for your nightly milking.
chuckle8: Thanks for the clarification and the link. Mine was a rhetorical statement and was an unfair blanket condemnation, for which I apologize. As you point out, there are some good progressive Democrats willing to stand up and do the right thing. Hopefully they can move the old establishment types, who are too comfortable with business as usual.
Diane: Right on cue, you enter stage right with wildly partisan opinions, childish insults, and unsubstantiated innuendo with zero sourcing (accusing others of the same) -- responding to posts you barely skim over, studiously misread, and deliberately misconstrue to fit a slanted worldview. Sorry, Fux News debate tactics won't work here.
Pardon the armchair psychoanalysis, but you seem to have a chronic, subconscious need to verbalize your blind hatred of liberals, and evidently to assuage deep-seated feelings of anger and frustration, creating artificial divisions that only exist in your mind.
It is not a matter of "one of [our] own" or "comrades" or "argument" or "blind faith" or "beliefs" or the specter of bogeyman Pence (how convenient), or the possibility of actually impeaching Trump in such a polarized political climate (won't happen). It is about getting at the truth. What's wrong with that? Why are certain Republicans so afraid of objective reality?
Take a deep breath, calm down, and actually study the ample source material provided in this thread, before shooting from the hip with your indiscriminate blunderbuss. It seems that you are more than willing to believe as gospel truth the evasive lies that constitute nearly every utterance from the Liar in Chief, while flippantly dismissing as a "charade" the combined assessments of America's 17 intelligence agencies tasked with discovering observable facts. Why not let them, Congress, and Mueller finish their investigations unimpeded? Why are certain Republicans so selective with their own, in-house ... ah ... "intelligence" gathering?
Who is the one "tilting at windmills?" Trump's problems are caused by the words and actions of one person and no one else. Take your partisan blinders off for a wider view and a change of scenery. The truth is out there, Scully.
Deepspace: Regarding your comment on acknowledgement of cyber warfare. My contention is that without Reality Winner and others like her, our intelligence agencies will continue to sweep the story that we are under attack under the carpet.
The CIA isn't willing to fight back for obvious reasons. First their "commander- in- chief" is an important component of the attack. Also unrestrained funding of the military industrial spy complex plays a large role in passive acceptance of the attack...in their minds, the party that Putin has installed is the party that will endlessly increase their budget.
What our intelligence agencies are all underestimating is the degree to how quickly "really bad govermnent" will collapse an empire. We're on course for civil unrest never seen before, massive police state arrests, violence, crashed economy, poverty, climate change chaos, you name it. Without sane leadership we're all screwed. The billionaire/fascists have no idea what's coming! They're all dizzy with the pursuit of arbitrary money and power.
Putin is destroying our country from within using Trump as is his primary weapon.
Diane: I just have to ask, have you ever bothered to read any actual Teapublican legislation? Things like the American Care Act, Ryan's budget plans? I'm guessing you're simply watching Fox News and other corp media right-wing propaganda. It's pretty easy to do this seeing how 98% of the corp media is right-wing slant.
Take time to enlighten yourself on the truth by reading some proposed legislation and think about how it will impact you, your family, friends, and neighbors.
The difference between most here and myself is the fact I do not panic over "proposed" legislation. Things that are actually "proposed" and what is reported by the (both sides guilty) biased media, are two completely different things. "Proposed" legislation usually never happens and Thom Hartmann should be more aware of this than anybody but he makes his living off stirring the pot.
As for my relationship with Fox News or the Tea Party? It is literally non existent. If Fox is on the screen, it is the Fox business channel. In my total "newz" viewing, mostly CNN because it is hysterical watching their bias, or Chris Matthews on MSNBC making a total fool out of himself on a nightly basis. O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity are as full of bullshit as over animated Rachel Maddow or dull as Lawrence O'Donnell. Go give Fox business a quick look unless you completely subscribe to the gloom and doom of investing for your own future. If you followed the wrong advice over the last eight years you threw away at least a 50% increase in your 401k's.
A quick aside, thank god for Netflix.
Tom Hartmann's over emphasis on the viewership at Fox News is only his own envy and not the reality he thinks it is. Common sense beat Hillary not Fox News. You should have run Biden. He would have been sitting in the oval office right now and you would have nothing to complain about.
So, would you rather have something to tighten the knots in your stomach every day for the next 7-1/2 years or crazy uncle Joe wandering the halls? Radio bobbleheads would prefer the former as it gives partial life to their boring daily babble.
Too bad there are 8 years between do-overs.
I expect a horse to come galloping along to tell you all how wrong I am but I actually think it is just because he can't stand not being the final responder on every thread. Shades of Drc2.
Proposed Legislation is exactly that. They put it out to get comment. You should be writing Your Congress person and Senators if you agree or disagree. At least that is how it is supposed to work.
I am sure that you watch whatever channel is on in the Assisted LIving Home.
Diane: Well for starters there is a huge difference between vast majority friendly progressive legislation and billionaire only friendly right-wing agenda legislation. This realization alone should direct you in voting for your own best interests, which are identical to those of the 99.9% of us.
Self economic sacrifice in order to benefit a few billionaires seems to me like an admission of brainwashing, sort of cult like.
Without the legislative branch, Biden, like Hillary, and Obama would not have made much difference in the advancement of the progressive agenda. Their main role would be to thwart economic madness like further deregulation of Wall Street and climate change back-pedaling.
BTW: Get your money out of Wall Street asap...you'll thank me down the road a piece. Trump is going to do something very stupid with foreign policy very soon, a huge mistake that will have global implications on the scale of panic setting in. Don't ask me how I know this.
We obviously serve different 99.9%. In my world what is good for business if good for me. That should also apply to most of the working tax paying population, leaving only the leftie/socialists and day dreamers to sit in the basement complaining on blogs over Al Gore's invention.
Although I appreciate your financial advice, I think will file it away with all the guru books with dates in their title telling me when to buy or sell.
My needed money is very well protected. Anything of mine currently invested in Wall Street is pure gravy. If the market continues to rise, good. If history is my guide, huge drops in the market is a great buying opportunity.
Turning to pessimists for investment advice? Never been proven a wise thing to do.
DianeR -- Where did your 99.9% come from? For 80% of the population the stock market is irrelevant except as a spectacle. You must be a supporter of the Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover policies. I base that on what Harding had to say "We need more business in government and less government in business". A policy prescription that led us to the great republican depression of the 1930's. A similar policy promoted by Bush 2 led us to the great republican depression of 2008. I know the economic royalists love that policy. Why you believe in this voodoo economics would be interesting to know.
Doo Doo Di #30: Aaahh... ya miss me already. How charming! Although, you forgot to reference your normal manure metaphors. Or did the Fux business channel hand you enough for one day? Sounds like it. LMAO, You are a gift that truly keeps giving.
And certainly nobody here, save trolls, needs a horse to 'splain how wrong you are when spouting programmed right-wingerisms. In the real world, beyond DianeyWorld and the Fux bubble, facts and falsehoods are self-evident.
So is logic. For instance, please explain how someone knows ahead of time that they'll end up as the "final responder" on a thread? Even in DianeyWorld that amazing feat must baffle your investment fortunetellers. Perhaps in such rarefied atmosphere, prescient trolls never have to queue up like mere mortals, so they would know that, of course, no one would dare fall in behind them.
FYI: I just post and/or respond at random when time permits and I feel like it. Who the ef cares? Does it bug you not to get the last word? Well good ...because liberals only exist to pester poor ol' Di, the lil' snowflake.
Speaking of predicting the future, did you or your financial wizards foresee the 2008 worldwide crash, pray tell? You do realize that the world is now pushing the outside of the envelope in like the third longest expansion bubble in a hundred years or so. Better spend that cash wisely, òinseach, or you may learn all about queueing up the hard way ...in a soup line! Hopefully, you won't end up at the, uh, tail end ...so to speak. :--))
Diane: Really, I'm not trying to be the last post, but I have to say this. By far most of those harmed by bubble economic markets have zero connection with Wall Street. Look at pics from 1929.
As deepspace pointed out, the market is inflated beyond belief right now. We haven't seen this since 1929. In fact it may have surpassed that mark recently. Don't count on Fox Business clueing you in about this.
BTW: It's good for health insurance companies/CEO's to not insure those with pre-existing conditions, but not so good for those with the illness. It's good for big pharma to release high profit drugs despite the risk, but not so good for the users. It's profitable for the Kochs to be able to pollute, but not so good for the climate or those down wind or down stream. The billionaires are laughing at you, and pissed at me. Wake up Diane.
Hell, yes! Thanks, Thom!