Will the Ugly Trumpcare Pass?

As promised, Senate Republicans revealed the new version of Trumpcare yesterday.

They say it's a step forward - but is it really any better than the Medicaid-destroying tax-cut-for-the-rich-in-disguise they came out with a few weeks ago?

Even if it passes and decimates the healthcare system as we know it, has Trumpcare already made single-payer inevitable?

The bill does have some notable differences from its predecessor.

For example - it doesn't include as many absurd tax cuts for the rich, although it does give billion-dollar tax cuts to industry.

It also sets aside $45 billion to help with the nationwide opioid epidemic - and an additional $70 billion for high-risk patients.

Thanks to Ted Cruz, this bill would also allow insurance companies to sell plans that don't include Obamacare protections - something experts warn could cause an industry death spiral.

At it's core, though: the new version of Trumpcare is just like every other version of Trumpcare:
- it repeals the individual mandate
- it defunds Planned Parenthood
- it guts protections for people with pre-existing conditions
- and - most importantly - it slashes hundreds of billions from Medicaid and repeals its expansion under Obamacare.

Rand Paul is a "no." Susan Collins is a "no." Only one more "vote" kills this bill.

Will it pass?


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randolphgarriso... 5 days 12 hours ago

It just might not if armed people showed up in Washington D.C.

If it does it will signal the beginning of the New American Revolution to remove the corporation corrupt politicians from all local, state, and federal seats. Maybe then they would see following McConnell is a bad move!

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deepspace 5 days 12 hours ago

Senate "Leadership" (loosely termed) doesn't want the CBO to score the Cruz amendment before the floor vote. Another parlor trick is to push the bulk of the repulsive Medicaid cuts into the future far enough so that the Whip can tell their skittish, so-called "moderates" some other Congress will probably reverse them anyway. You know, vote for cuts that won't happen. Riiight!

Jaysus, how stupid do they think the public is?! Well, pretty stupid -- at least the 62,979,636 we know of for sure.

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Ou812 5 days 12 hours ago


USA has the best Doctors, best medical care


bollivar 5 days 12 hours ago

NO IT DOES NOT. I have been a health care professional for 41 years, and I have never seen such rampent horror stories. There is really no health care in the State of Illinois.

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2950-10K 5 days 11 hours ago

Back in 2000, the last year they did the rankings, the World Health Organization had the United States health system ranked 37th......yes 37th.

Legend 5 days 11 hours ago

Post #4. Interesting site for total lack of reference or fact. They post about certain Doctors but nothing about overall best medical care. We do have good universities. But a huge factor in medical costs is the American Medical Association. It is essentially a union for Doctors and limits the number that can receive medical degrees and drives up the costs by limiting the supply. I looked at your reference, look at mine in Post #1. I can also come up with many more.

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2950-10K 5 days 11 hours ago

Geeez...I wonder why Putin isn't dumping Russia's universal health insurance system for a free market for profit system.

What do you think Bachmann?

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Ou812 5 days 11 hours ago


I hope you were better at guarding prisoners than your inane comments.

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changeX 5 days 11 hours ago

Prosperity gospel faith healing* Trumpcare hallelujah hallelujah.

Will it will come in flashy packaging, cost twice as much, cover much less, and include a great marketing campaign?

*Faith healing mayb be available at an additional fee.

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Willie W 5 days 10 hours ago

Yes, I also believe we have the best doctors and health care money can buy $$$. Trump Care will pass provided the proper manipulation of smoke and mirrors is applied.

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Zuckerman 5 days 9 hours ago

I think the Republican senate leadership knows that the bill is going down. They are now doing damage control by making the bill as draconian as possible to make the right wing base happy. They want to be able to go home and say that they did the best they could to destroy Obamacare but failed because of the evil Democrats and a few left winger RINOs. The message will be that if you really want Obamacare killed, you have to give the Republicans 60 votes in the Senate and an even bigger majority in the House.

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Jenny Harrison 5 days 7 hours ago

Jason Kander seems like a bright light for the future of the Democrats. He works on Voter Registration issues through Let America Vote. I would really like to hear you interview him Thom.

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changeX 5 days 4 hours ago

Everyone knew the GOP wouldn't stop until they get the biggest government takeover of healthcare ever. Wondering when the "creepy uncle Sam" trumpcare ads will start playing with Mitch McConnell in an Uncle Sam outfit putting on his latex gloves, exercising his center finger.

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deepspace 5 days 1 hour ago

Hah! Perfect for the part. Gotta stare at the sun now to burn that outta me brain. Thanks a lot!

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2950-10K 4 days 18 hours ago

I heard one of Thom's radio clips talking about how historically conservative individuals worried that democracy could be dangerous because the "rabble" has the potential to demand things of their government, things which in turn would make them lazy and unproductive.

Well I guess the wealthy righties can stop all that fretting now. They've successfully twisted democracy into a massive wealth concentration vehicle for themselves.

Instead "We the People," were the ones who should have been worrying about a relative few out of control monkeys destroying the very fabric of our society with their self puffery and unending thirst for money and power.

Resist Fascism Now! ......before they get us all killed, including themselves.

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2950-10K 4 days 18 hours ago

Bachmann: You've got nothing.... and your smart ass easy way out comment confirms this. Exactly what I expected. Actually it was a dumb ass comment making zero sense. Guarding prisoners???? WTF is that??? Ref to the Russian assassin?? LOL... who knows??? Well anyway, "Smart" was a poor choice of words.

Turn off your Foxaganda and try real hard for a minute. How about explaining why free market for profit health insurance is better than the system the rest of the world has already proven to be far more cost effective ???

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deepspace 4 days 17 hours ago

She/he/it (A leftover Russian bot from the campaign?) cannot explain the illogical dilemma your question poses without frying the algorithm of her/his/its Foxmerized software program. There is no other choice on the fixed list of preset answers but to deflect, obfuscate, or lie.

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deepspace 4 days 6 hours ago

McTurtle delayed the vote on the billionaire tax-cut bill, which will swindle tens of millions of children, the elderly, the poor, and the sick out of their already meager healthcare benefits, to wait for a member of the gilded gang of thieves to receive taxpayer-subsidized healthcare benefits with all the bells and whistles, so that he too has an opportunity to vote for passage. Never let it be said that Republican rule lacks cruel irony and shameless hypocrisy.

May Sen. John McCain have a full and speedy recovery ...well, maybe not too speedy.


Legend 4 days 5 hours ago
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Ou812 3 days 20 hours ago


Wrong again, I have everything. I am a firmly ensconced member of what you "Washed up lefties" call the ruling class. I'm not going to waste my time trying to educate you (the collective "you") about capitalism and economics. I'm sorry for the prison guard comment, I shouldn't engage in personal attacks.

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Ou812 3 days 17 hours ago

Senator Ben Cardin, Democrat MD, was asked if he would support a move toward single payer. Senator Cardin replied "I want to make sure we maintain quality. I don't want to put all our eggs in one basket."


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ikeberltersen 3 days 17 hours ago

There was never any doubt in my mind that the Greedy Old Plutocrats would keep bringing up new versions of their 'health care' bill. Like GM slapping new trim on a Pontiac Aztek, vainly hoping that people would actually think that the new version was somehow not the same abomination as the previous iteration. Their tactics clearly show their arrogance, and the utter contempt they have for American citizens. They believe that the initial uproar will die down, voters will go back to watching reality TV, or watching the circus act in the White House with its own version of reality TV, then voters will lose interest in the GOP's destruction of what passes for a health care system in this country. By putting off the real damage until after the 2018 elections, the GOP will have more time to gerrymander, suppress, and outright rig future elections so they can't lose, or so they believe. They think they can pull this off, and the scary thing is, they may be right.

Legend 3 days 10 hours ago

Ou812, He/she/whatever, you conveniently picked one sentence from this Democratic Senator who is a doctor and very wealthy. Infact he (waiting for his vote) and all Republicans are supporting an extremely expensive healthcare That causes the USA to be the most expensive in the world (by a large percentage) and we are ranked extremely low in the industrial world for quality of healthcare. Why do you keep ignoring that fact? Also you ignored all of his other statements. Research it and come up with rebuttals. I am asking for your references and fact.

Legend 3 days 10 hours ago

Ou812, He/she/whatever, you conveniently picked one sentence from this Democratic Senator who is a doctor and very wealthy. Infact he (waiting for his vote) and all Republicans are supporting an extremely expensive healthcare That causes the USA to be the most expensive in the world (by a large percentage) and we are ranked extremely low in the industrial world for quality of healthcare. Why do you keep ignoring that fact? Also you ignored all of his other statements. Research it and come up with rebuttals. I am asking for your references and fact.

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Ou812 3 days 22 min ago

Legend: You are wrong about everything, I'm not surprised, you should have stayed in middle school. Ben Cardin is a lawyer, his net worth is $600,000. He married a teacher. His only son committed suicide at 30. My reference for his remarks is there.

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changeX 1 day 15 hours ago

Finally I have to ask, is that going into your mouth or coming out of it?

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