A Deal with the Dems
By Thom Hartmann A...
After Tuesday's shocking debt ceiling deal with the Democrats, is Donald Trump finished with the Republican Party?
It's been more than 24 hours, but Washington pundits are still puzzling over Donald Trump's deal with Democrats to extend the debt ceiling for three months - and hand out billions in Hurricane aid - all in one fell swoop.
This deal gave Democrats literally everything they wanted - and it passed the Senate yesterday and the House today.
Reflecting on the deal yesterday at the White House, the president made it sound like the beginning of a fruitful working relationship:
"You look at North Korea, you look at the hurricanes, you look at what's going on in the Middle East. And I said, frankly it's time that we walk out and shake hands and have a deal. And they agreed. And I will tell you. It was - there was a lot of spirit in that room, a lot of good spirit."
When it comes down to it, Trump has no ideological center other than himself.
Will he now start saying screw you to Republicans and start making deals with Democrats?
And if so, where are the areas of agreement?
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#2
Thom: Do you ever think you are a cat and everyone else has a laser?
#3
This was just Trump saying "Go stand in the corner and think about what you just did" to the republicans for their debacle of the R&R of Obamacare. Trumps P'od at them, nothing more. He's pretty much still an independent in my opinion. He's all about getting something done to look good. My guess he'll side with whoever works with him. Which can be good or bad depending on what side you're on.
#4
President Trump is sending the washed up lefties into a tail spin. :) He's taking away their issues and getting things done. This is why he was elected, and why he'll be reelected :)
#5
Trust but verify.
Remember, throughout most of Trump's over-leveraged, fumble-bum business career, many losers were left in the wake of failed deals put together by this flim-flam whack-job with big hair and his mob of bootlickers and backstabbers, whose principal modus operandi appears to be a kiss-up-kick-down, free-for-all, wild-ass roller derby going off in all directions at once. And with over 400 lawsuits cluttering up the years, having a good compliment of sleazy lawyers hanging around has become an everyday necessity.
So good luck. Don't forget to stroke his ego; who knows, he could be the most beloved presidential dude in U.S. history if he successfully negotiated Medicare for all.
Hell, I might even say something nice about him for once, "Hotdamn, ya sure got yerself some sexy daughters there, yer Orange Greatness sir!" You know, something a bit creepy that he can relate to.
#6
I really believe Trump is as much a victim of Breitbart, Foxaganda, and the Fascist media in general as are his remaining 30% support group. There's a very slim chance he's becoming secretly embarrassed by he credulousness, and thus is willing to do things that don't appear insane, but who knows? One thing we do know for certain is that, like the Kochs, he is a megalomaniac.
I'm convinced Pence is in communication with the Kochs and they're plotting his ascension together. If my hunch is correct, then it's possible Trump's apparent defection from the Kochpublicans is more of a survival reflex.
However I do agree that Trump is also deflecting attention away from the upcoming exposure of his connection to Putin's Russian mafia.
Area's of agreement: Well if Trump wants to feed his desperate need to be loved, then he should just check the national polls, honor democracy, and the will of the vast majority.....push for single-payer, raise the cap, pull out of our endless wars, promote green energy infrastructure, and tax the extremely rich again. He would be loved like FDR. Ain't gonna happen though..LOL
#7
deepspace: Good job smoking out the troll yesterday. Damn...you whooped on it like the Messer Chups.
#8
Changed mind after viewing Thom's video.
#9
You said it: Trump "has no ideological center". He blows hot and cold depending on whether he is having a good day or not. Some days he's feeling magnanimous and generous, and other days he feels like an old grouchy bear. I'm glad he has broken with the GOPpers over aid for storm victims; I hope he is feeling very generous over the next couple of months because A LOT of people are, and are going to be, hurting by the time Irma gets finished with us here in Florida. Only three homes around me have owners who have bugged out; all the rest of us are staying; where can we go? We have animals and elderly parents. I had to move my Mom to a nursing home, while I ride it out here with our pets. When the power goes down, I will probably end up in my SUV with the feathers and fur because I can run the a/c. The heat and humidity here are already unbearable and we aren't even really into it yet. What I want to know is why, knowing this happens to us again and again (every 4-5 years the weather people say,) that we haven't adopted a pro-active position on all of this by training a civilian response team in each district that can get the power back up in a day or two, versus playing the victim, waiting for the power companies to finally get around to us. You KNOW the richy rich power execs don't give a flying Frisbee about us. You KNOW they get their kicks by leaving us languishing in the heat, in the dark, miserable and unable to take care of ourselves waiting for them to do something. Meanwhile, they run skeleton crews to save themselves money and take weeks and weeks to get our antiquated grid system patched together one more time. We really need to stop playing this assigned position and start getting together to form groups that will move into action when needed. I'd also like to see citizen groups getting together to talk about developing our own home power systems based on solar since we can only rely on the energy companies to do only what is in their best interests and lining their own pockets. It's time to walk away from these jailers, set ourselves free, and be able to get the energy we want and need at fair (unpadded for other things like nuclear reactors,) prices. Down with the baloney nonsense!!! Up with independent energy!!!
#10
For all those who marched in the Women's March, pussy-hats and all, @HillaryClinton would like you to know it's your fault she lost. pic.twitter.com/PhHRB9N5Il
Robert Barnes (@Barnes_Law) September 8, 2017
#11
Trump isn't the only one that's only concerned with himself.
#12
Hillary a pragmatist ...no
Barbara Boxer....yes
people are individuals.
#13
LOL....as if I was hiding.
#14
#9 ErinRose
Since government does not understand the "commons" and has subsequently destroyed them and taken the money and milked them, then -
You are sooo right!
This is the attitude that made america
#15
ErinRose,
I wish you the very best outcome...and all the other folks in Florida or wherever that demon storm goes.
#16
No doubt, as the "wood-chipper of justice" moves closer and closer to Trumps ample ass, he will try, more and more, to curry favor from Democrats, as Republiscums alone cannot save him and his cadre of lying pieces of shit regarding Russian collusion and obstruction of justice investigations. Anyone that has been following these investigations in even the most cursory manner knows that Trump and his gang of despicable traitors will not survive the tsunami of evidence that is washing over them. Most of these rats have already lawyered-up in their efforts to keep from being drowned, many fleeing the sinking ship and grabbing hold of any scrap of floating wreckage in a futile attempt to keep their heads above water.
Yes, Rightwing trolls, can for now, jump up and down, screech and scream, thump their chests and throw their shit out of their self-made cages at anyone that bothers to give them the time of day. But only the most hardheaded, bigoted, greedy extremists could have ever believed this lying pig for even a second. Their unrelenting support, even at this stage, for this monstrous blob of garbage only confirms this point. And their eager willingness to abet acts of treason in a desperate effort to maintain their delusional fantasies undermines any point that they may ever put forth.
#17
Good rant, stopgap!
Watch out when a rat is backed into a corner. It gets ugly. Special counsel Robert Mueller is now coordinating with bulldog New York State Attorney General, Eric Schneiderman, because Trump can't pardon Paul Manafort under state prosecution, where justice will play out in case Trump pardons him for federal charges after Mueller's federal probe wraps up. That way, it pressures Manafort either to cut a deal and rat out Trump or face crushing fines and serious jail time, since he can no longer count on a pardon if he clams up. This slippery, backroom deal maker will only think of saving his own sorry ass. 10 to 1 odds he'll flip faster than a greasy gut-bomber at Buffy's Burgers next to Paddy's Pub at closing time. It's gonna get mighty lonely at the top when the rest of his pack of dogs turn on each other. Yeah, how long will the trolls keep up the facade?
2950-10K,
Ha! Da, Messer Chups is good with lots of vodka, comrade! Jaysus, got on a roll with that one all right. Hit #50, laid down the hammer and sickle, apologized for coming on a wee bit strong, exchanged olive branches of sorts. All's fair in love and war and politics, I guess. Nothing personal.
ErinRose,
Damn! Hang on, Erin! Come back and tell us your story. Meanwhile, I hope you and the pets stay safe, and the best of luck to you and your family and friends. Wow, that's scary!
And hoping Outback is still okay in Idaho, being so close to a major forest fire. Crazy times.
#18
If Trump gave the Dems everything they wanted, it's because they did not ask for much - just funding for disaster relief and a guarantee to raise the debt ceiling for bills that have already been made, something that should be automatic to avoid a worldwide economic meltdown. Now let's see, which of the two political parties last used the threat of default in an attempt to extort concessions on budgets that had already been passed, resulting in a downgrade of the country's credit rating and downtick in the economy? Shouldn't be too hard to answer that one, the same party that will throw the people of this country on the bonfire of their ideological doctrines.
As for Trump, who knows what's going on inside his walnut brain. He sees governance the same way as he did business, play people off against each other, pay off recalcitrant officials and say nothing but bullshit while extracting wealth and living the high life.
#19
Donald Trump has been screwing those who supported him for decades. This is typical of what Donald Trump can be expected to do.
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