Is Donald Trump About To Go Full Richard Nixon on the Culture Wars?

If his non-stop whining about the NFL protests is any indication, Donald Trump is about to go full Richard Nixon on the culture wars.

Will fanning the racist flames of the culture war help Donald Trump save his presidency?

Donald Trump can't shut up about black men playing football.

Yesterday morning he went on another Twitter rant about players protesting police brutality - and urged the NFL to "set a rule that you can't kneel during our National Anthem!"

"The NFL has all sorts of rules and regulations. The only way out for them is to set a rule that you can't kneel during our National Anthem!"

You'd think the president would have more pressing issues to worry about than athletes exercising their constitutional right to free speech, but during an press conference later on in the afternoon Trump said that "respect for the flag" argued otherwise.

"To me that was a very important moment. I don't think you can disrespect our country, our flag, our national anthem. To me, the NFL situation is a very important situation. I've heard that before -- about was I 'preoccupied.' Not at all. Not at all. I have plenty of time on my hands. All I do is work, and to be honest with you, that's an important function of working. It is called respect for our country."

This isn't about "the flag" or football, really. It's about telling black people to know their place. This is the kind of racist culture war fight Trump, like Nixon, used to get elected.

Is he just going to ride the culture war from here on out?

Is it even that smart strategically for Trump to double down on the culture war?

I know it rallies the core base of white supremacists, but it also distracts from the economic populism that I think really got him elected.

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Arrgy 5 years 9 weeks ago
#1

Thom, why are our reps tolerating the Constitution shreding, confederate's? These people are armed, enemy combatants. Their reps swore an oath they knew they'd never keep. How doese Germany have it right and we get the coup?

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DHBranski 5 years 9 weeks ago
#2

It would be difficult to split Americans apart by race more than we already are. We're more deeply divided by race than we've been since, at least, the 1950s. That said, some people find it hard to take it seriously when very rich, privileged celebrities talk about the oppression they face.

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ckrob 5 years 9 weeks ago
#3

Off topic:

Will Saudi women, soon winning governmental permission to drive, still be required to be accompanied by a male relative in public?

Legend 5 years 9 weeks ago
#4

I am waiting for a schedule or time that it is okay for blacks to protest white supremacy. Otherwise it is objectionable anytime. Also do we really need to do the National Anthem at sporting events. It is not done at golf tournaments. Numerous other events. Is it just a marketing tool?

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stopgap 5 years 9 weeks ago
#5

Thom, we hashed this all out yesterday and it turns out that we liberals are all wrong. I fought long and hard to defend our point of view but apparently I just wasn't up to the task. According to his supporters Trumps is damn near perfect, virtually a saint, even better than a saint…absolutely not one thing to criticize about him for he can never do no wrong. In fact, criticizing him is nigh on to treason, even worse than disrespecting the flag.

As it turns out, its all Hillary's fault. Had she never been born, we would live in nirvana, with a 6 shooter strapped to our side to fight off the dark forces of evil, and the bible would replace the constitution.

After all, true democracy is believing everything Trumps says, no matter how strange, demented or cruel it might seem. Climate change is just god's way of telling us that Trumps is the unquestioned, exalted master. If Trump tells us that those that kneel during the playing of the national anthem need to be taken out and shot, then so be it.

Amen

Legend 5 years 9 weeks ago
#6

Let me get this straight. Kneeling for prayer is acceptable and good. Kneeling for the National Anthem is blasphemous. Explain the difference and the reasons why?

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stopgap 5 years 9 weeks ago
#7

My dear brother Legend, It is not for us liberal sinners to question the ways of our great leader, Lord Trump. It is enough that we are blessed to obey his every command. It is enough for us to know that the Trump acts in strange ways and we are privileged to follow his every word. Who are we but mere mortals? His the way of our true salvation.

Hallelujah Brothers and Sisters, I have just received the blessed news over the TV that our great leader has pronounced that his new tax reform will be "A Miracle Of The Middle Class." Can it get any better? Now the moment has arrived. The moment we've all been waiting for since the second coming of Jesus Christ Trump.

In the East (Brooklyn to be exact) a new king was born.

Is that trumpets I hear blaring in the background? Actually, it was just a car alarm.

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Hephaestus 5 years 9 weeks ago
#8

No disrespect!

I thought money was paid to African chiefs for the sale of their own brothers

Not only to white men either

A lot of African people were sold into slavery to the East long before the West

deastman 5 years 9 weeks ago
#9

slow newsday, huh Thom?

cuz here's how EYE see it, since you asked...if you're saying doesn't HE have anything better to do, why is it in MY face, pray tell? or maybe you actually think this is newsworthy? next up: O.J. where is he today? followed by, 'Did Bill Clinton think she was worth it?' i expect better from you.

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2950-10K 5 years 9 weeks ago
#10

Trump ran as a fake economic populist????? Oh yes, the slippery slope of semantics. Trump is low level member of the Fascist establishment, with zero economic populism in his soul.

Economic Populism: "The political doctrine that supports the rights and powers of the common people in their struggle with the privileged elite."

Democratic Socialism is economic populism. Crooked Donny lied to the gullible in an attempt to get elected and nothing more... his intent was never to serve the economic interests of we the people.

Thom, Trump's lies didn't get him elected, not even close....election fraud installed him.

The entire Kochpublican Party represents the establishment the red states think they voted against.

The religious nut running for the Senate from Alabamastan is a great example of this...he's thinks he's anti-establishment, LMAO. He's actually playing right into the billionaires hands. Keep the red states voting against their own best economic interests by throwing them God and Guns meat.

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2950-10K 5 years 9 weeks ago
#11

deepspace: I was so mad I couldn't get my thoughts straight...so had to redo a few times. Just read your post...excellent!

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#12

Spot on 2950-10K!

(Haha -- me too. I'll hit the edit button again to put the posts in the right chronological order again, hopefully.)

I too adamantly reject the notion that "economic populism" alone got Trump elected! Pardon another long rant, but all the knee-jerk Clinton bashing in the last thread piqued my Irish ire. Wanna talk culture wars and elections? Okay, goddamnit, let's do it!

"The [trolls] doth protest too much, methinks." As the hurricane of shrieking banshee Hillary Haters makes landfall on this tiny island of sanity, it's important to keep a few things straight:

First: Trump the Liar was not "elected" by the People; he was appointed by a non-democratic, three-bank-shot system of elite "electors," belonging to an overly cumbersome institutional relic from the bygone days of slavery. Hillary won the People's vote by a huge margin, hands down!

Had the votes of millions more not been literally stolen in the key states by Republican secretaries of state (Interstate Crosscheck, caging, etc.) and Republican legislatures (phony voter ID laws), she also would have been appointed by the Electoral College by an equally huge margin.

And that's not taking into account Fux News wall-to-wall conspiracy propaganda, James Comey, the Russian attack, faulty and easily hacked voting machines, the lavishing of taxpayer money on the polling infrastructure in Republican districts to make the voting experience fun and easy with more flexible hours of operation, shorter lines, better machines, and more poll workers while skimping in heavily Democratic districts in every way possible -- turning the beating heart of democracy into a fecking nightmare of intimidation and suppression!

For the longterm health of an actual functioning democracy, what the hell is wrong with enacting national legislation to register voters automatically upon reaching eighteen, or otherwise gaining citizenship through the legal immigration process, and to make voting a right, mandatory, with paper ballots, and Election Day a paid holiday (perhaps in lieu of Columbus Day, which asks us to celebrate a genocidal maniac)? Ah, but paranoid Republicans don't want everybody to vote. They never did:

"So many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome: good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. [Republican] Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." -- Paul Weyrich (No really; that's his name.)

Second: Despite Republican circle-jerks (and principled but politically naive true believers on the left) who can cite libraries full of baseless accusations and sexist and/or partisan innuendo disseminated across every possible media platform over almost three decades, and in view of the fact that she (for that most unspeakable crime of being Bill's wife) is probably the most investigated politician in modern U.S. history, by every government and non-government entity imaginable, nothing has ever stuck, much to the chagrin of those who seek to divide and conquer any resistance whatsoever to fascistic Republican one-party rule or to their cartoonish wannabe dictator.

No honest investigative journalist (Yes, they do exist.), no properly credentialed charity foundation watchdogs or ethics organizations, no congressional committee (taxpayer millions and millions wasted!), not the State Dept., Homeland Security, military intelligence, NSA, CIA, FBI, nor any other alphabet soup agency, has ever -- ever -- found any credible evidence of criminal wrongdoing by one Hillary Rodham Clinton. N-O-T-H-I-N-G !

Why is that? Did all of the above willingly jeopardize their hard-won careers by not doing their jobs, in some grand conspiracy? Did all that partisan crap, so-called "evidence" just slip through the cracks of justice? ("Oh, if we could only conduct just one more investigation, it'll all come out!") Are "Hellary" and "Billoney" master criminal geniuses who have somehow outsmarted everyone on the planet except, of course, all those greater geniuses who peruse tabloids at checkout stands, cruise the right-wing bubblesphere, watch Fux News, listen to Republican hate radio, and attend Trump rally lovefests?

"Lock her up!" Sputtering indignation aside, where's the beef? Please, please, please, all you Hillary-hating trolls, do not do the following on this blog (Your talking points are as stale as the fries under my driver's seat.): Go into your quiet room, grab pen and paper, and draw a line down the center. On one side, list all the accusations hurled against this much maligned and scorned women; on the other side, list all the provable evidence of her criminal behavior. If you are intellectually honest and do objective research, you will soon discover that while one column remains totally blank, the other one will require several reams of paper.

Does that mean she is a perfect saint? Hell no! But neither is any other Washington D.C. player, including Bernie (my first choice). To her detractors, she is nothing but another power-hungry hardball politician climbing the ladder; to her supporters, she is one smart cookie with a good heart, who nonetheless knows how to take names, kick butt, and get things done.

She is both. Just like every other Democratic politician who hangs around for any length of time and builds a record, she made a lot of mistakes; she did a lot of good; she doesn't deserve to be singled out in such a vicious, beyond-the-pale fashion. Unfortunately for the haters, she is a survivor and will not STFU (as stated yesterday) and go quietly into the night like a good little mousy woman. You go, girl!

So, let's put her colleagues, especially every swinging-dick Republican asshole, through the same decades-long wringer and see how well those goddamn hypocrites hold up. It wouldn't even be close.

In fact, let's subject the (very provable) sexist, racist, lying, cheating, emotionally unstable, violent, egomaniacal sack of junk-food fat, installed as head clown, to a fraction of the same scrutiny and watch him melt into a twittering, whimpering, steaming pile of puss and sh*t before our very eyes. Oh wait, that's already happening -- go Robert Mueller; drill, baby, drill! (Sure, that's a harsh description, but what part behind the colorful descriptors, prey tell, is inaccurate?)

So yeah, given a choice, in the general election anyway, between one of the most qualified politicians in America (and one of the most beloved and respected women in the world (notwithstanding good ol' boy Ameerkkka) and a corrupt buffoon who couldn't find his fat ass with both hands ...well, it's no choice at all. Alas, our pet trolls, to no avail, will still try to justify the unjustifiable -- their Trump vote -- into their graves. Sometimes politically entrenched attitudes won't change until a new generation of voters rises from the ashes. The sooner the better!

Third, I wholeheartedly agree with Thom: It's way past the time for true liberals and progressives to bury the hatchet, put 2016 behind them, and come together to defeat the forces of fascism now arrayed mightily against them. As the phony "third-way" corporate Democrats would have us believe, this absolutely does not mean to sit around the campfire and sing Kum ba yah with Republican reprobates -- the main perpetrators of the latest crimes against humanity, that pure evil emanating from on high. Quite the opposite, the reality of politics is war by different means, where two distinct "sides" battle it out, hopefully nonviolent. On some levels compromise is good; on other levels it is nothing more than appeasement and defeat.

Principles matter. Thus, take a knee during the racist national anthem, whether you're a football player or not.

The world is burning, so fight on we must! Time is short.

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2950-10K 5 years 9 weeks ago
#13

I often suspect Clinton bashers to be those who would divide and conquer the Party Bernie wanted to represent as a presidential candidate. If I could bash republican candidates with the hidden agenda in mind of getting Teabaggers to start a third party in order to split the Republican vote, I'd certainly do it. What a great way to install Dems. Thing is, Koch's Teabaggers will never be a third party. We progressives simply need to infiltrate the dems.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#14

That is the only politically wise choice remaining in the time left before the next few, absolutely critical election cycles. It takes way too long and way too much money to build a complete, separate, and viable third party under our current system.

The rest of the world's democracies have improved upon our original template with much more people responsive and less corruptible parliamentary systems. We just have to make do with what we have until there's enough momentum to amend the Constitution to ensure equal treatment for all parties and that gives each a fighting chance.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#15

Yup. Go figure.

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2950-10K 5 years 9 weeks ago
#16

deepspace: Good point about our original template being improved upon by others. Look at Canada, once a country of displaced Tories and submissive French loyal to George III. Geeez zoom ahead from the 18th century to now. They have a real national healthcare plan...we don't ...! And we won the war..LOL

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stopgap 5 years 9 weeks ago
#17

Yes 10K, My conversion over to the Trump side came today while passing through the fast-food restaurant drive-thru. It was interesting that Deepspace mentioned "the fries under his drivers seat." For what triggered my conversion to the Right side was when I looked into the my bag of treasured sustenance; there inside where my "regular fries" were supposed to be, were "curly fries." Surely this was a sign from the great almighty up above that I had strayed from the flock.

And if that was not enough, when I removed the top of the bun to admire this burger sent down to earth from heaven, there in the mustard was the spitting image of one Donald J. Trump. I immediately got out of the car and saluted the flag that was proudly flying at the front of the Drive-thru. Of course I was careful not to get down on my knees and pray, lest my devotion be misunderstood.

On another positive note. I think I've solved the healthcare crisis. There's no need for healthcare at all. Trump simply needs to do a faith-healing session, once a week, over the television, or even twitter for that matter. There! Problem solved! I know I feel better. I even flushed my Viagra down the toilet.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#18

}:--))))

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ThatDaveGuy 5 years 9 weeks ago
#19

Thom,

You're being played, again.

While everyone goes nuts over P45 criticizing NFL players:

There are over 3 million people in Puerto Rico with no food, water, or electricity. Also worth noting is that Trump left PR with some $33 million in additional debt after he bailed on a golf course project there.

Another of his appointees had had enough and is leaving.

The BLM is selling-out vast swaths of National Park land to loggers, miners, and anyone else with a buck or 2.

And a dozen others...

But every week we get all wrapped-up in the man-child's latest Twitter rant.

Sure, what he says and how he says it matter, but so much of his BS is just a smoke screen (intentional or not) to hide all the really horrible stuff that's going down while we're all distracted by the latest shiny object.

Please dig deeper than P45's NFL rant. You're better than that.

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stopgap 5 years 9 weeks ago
#20

Congratulations are certainly in order for the great state of Alabama! "Evolution my ass! We'll show those Darwinists a thing or two! Hell, were agoin' back in time! Next stop, THE MIDDLE AGES!!!"

Trump is thinking about displaying The Ten Commandments on all his hotels. Only with the word "Not" removed. After all, wouldn't want to run off all his Republican buddies.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
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c-gull 5 years 9 weeks ago
#22

The NFL was paid by the defense department since 2009 to have their team members out on the field for the national anthem. That's how phony they have become.

As far as Puerto Rico goes, Trump reacted slowly because he supports corporate privatization after the storm. The Puerto Rican national power company made a lot of money and now is crippled. Easier prey for "power" hungry corporate moguls. So Trump cannot fix Puerto Rico because he would be interfering with potential profit making.

As Bob Dylan said, "Money doesn't talk, it swears....."

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago
#23

The NFL House of Cards

By Victor Davis Hanson
National Review

By Victor Davis HansonNational Review

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changeX 5 years 9 weeks ago
#24

If a so called "Christian" who has his own Christian evangelical spiritual multi-millionaire advisors who is leading a so called "Christian Nation" was soo easily offended one would think that since the entire economy is based on things that the Bible specifically teaches against: wall street worshiping the golden calf - gambling, war profiteering death and destruction, and p*ssy grabbing; that those would be on the top of the list of items disparaging the country and flag, not moment of silence praying or kneeling during the national anthem.

Hopefully we will see how many professional full time black Racecar drivers dare to go against the ultimatum issued to them by the owners! How many are there again? Oh the dire consequences that all the racecar drivers may face.

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Dianereynolds 5 years 9 weeks ago
#25

Thom,

Are you ever going to forgive your parents because you were born white?

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Kilosqrd 5 years 9 weeks ago
#26

Diane,

After reading all these lefties rant, one can only draw the obvious conclusion.

They are all unhinged and still can not accept the election results of some 10 months ago.

Thom, when did Pres Trump single out black football players?

K2

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Dianereynolds 5 years 9 weeks ago
#27

Kilosqrd,

I do agree but you must concede that most of the malcontent leftie/socialists that post here were just as confused and bitter during the Obama administration. It's in their nature and I cannot imagine how one can live a comfortable life with all the rage bottled up in their system. Drugs, heavy meds, and therapy I suspect.

When I say every day reading their posts is another Christmas present, I cannot express it more accurately.

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stopgap 5 years 9 weeks ago
#28

Now isn't that sweet! The little ol' trolls patting each other on the back and congratulating each other for their unconditional adoration of the treasonous leader of MAGA.

It is somewhat amazing that these MAGATs, that pretend to be such government haters…will of the people lovers, are so infatuated with the government bureaucratic institution known as the Electoral College. The same government cabal that thwarted the will of the American Majority that voted Hillary over Trump by three million votes.

And don't even think of trying to tell me that had the situation been reversed, that righties would not be absolutely apoplectic in their response to the selection of Hillary by the Electoral College. Every righty car would have bumper stickers decrying the injustice and screaming about the leftwing coup and the sharia dictatorship and "End the Socialist Electoral College." Shawn Hannity & Rush Limbaugh's heads would be exploding. Fox news would be 24/7 ranting and raving about the end of American democracy. The Republican congress would, everyday be introducing articles of impeachment and calling for one congressional hearings one after another.

Just as Trump railed against the Electoral College until he suddenly found himself in bed with it, so too have the righties found themselves praising a government institution that has reversed the will of the people.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#29

Finally!

It was like extracting teeth, but after being shamed by nearly everyone on the planet into doing the right thing, except by his U.S. shipping magnate buddies worried about profits, Trump in his great wisdom and magnanimity has belatedly decided to allow more aid to reach Puerto Rico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/09/28/trump-waives-shipping-restrictions-for-puerto-rico-for-hurricane-relief/?utm_term=.f6264d344ce3

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Kilosqrd 5 years 9 weeks ago
#30

Stopgap,

You are an ignorant blowhard. The EC is as old as the US Constitution, not some Republican law slipped into the Constitution in the past 10 years. Hillary knew the rules/law long before the election. You look so small blaming the election loss of HRC on the Constitution. Hillary won the state of California, consequently she won all of Cal's 55 electorial votes. But Cal is NOT the whole nation.

Heads exploding? The only heads exploding are yours and your ilk.

K2

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stopgap 5 years 9 weeks ago
#31

Kilosqrd; Again, don't give me this idiotic bullshit that Republicans would not be up in arms with their pitchforks and torches if the shoe was on the other foot. Not even you are hardheaded enough to believe otherwise. Though I have no doubt that you will lie about it till' Trump, like Bush totally fucks up everything and then like every Republican after the Bush debacle, will deny ever voting for him and scream that both parties are the same. Of course they are not the same now. Are they?

Acreage is not people…pure and fucking simple. Elections are about people, not how much land their states occupy.

If I'm an ignorant blowhard? It's only from imulating the MAGA-T and Chief.

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago
#32

Uh OH...some truth is starting to come out!

Information Provided by DHS Regarding Russian Scanning was Incorrect

http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2017-n...

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#33

"MAGATs" (Make Ameerkkka Great Again Trumpers) are incapable of understanding the concept of double standards. Lilliputians (or lilli -Putin-ians) only think of themselves first, last, and foremost. Shameless hypocrisy is their long suit; self-reflection, not so much.

It's hard to "drain the swamp" when it's full of muck: Jared Kushner and numerous other inner-circle suck-ups conducting highly sensitive government business on unsecured private email servers; millionaire cabinet members flying around like Saudi royalty in private jets on the taxpayers' dime; pushing for tax cuts that will primarily benefit Trump and his fellow greedyguts while ballooning the deficit, spiraling the national debt, and slashing even more already meager programs that are the lifelines for the sinking middle class and the desperately poor; lavishing riches on the war machine while poor-mouthing our healthcare system, and on and on...

The chorus from the new national anthem: http://www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/bob_dylan/stuck_in_the_middle_with_you-lyrics-106669.html

"Clowns to the left of me!
Jokers to the right!
Here I am stuck in the middle with you.
" --BD

As a starry-eyed troll, it must really suck to realize that you've been totally conned by someone as ignorant as this absurd puffed-up clown with a pot belly and a goofy hairdo, whose only foreign policy expertise is firing off missiles and hurling childish names and insults at friends and foes alike while taking a crap in his gold-plated toilet. No, not Kim Jong-un -- the other tin-pot dictator, the pasty fathead with his stubby little pussy-grabbers on the nuke button who is your dear leader!

Enjoy the next world war, major economic collapse, and mass extinction; it is so well deserved. Good job!

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago
#34

You shouldn't talk about Hellary like that....pot belly, funny hair, starting wars.

I don't see her offering her new house she bought to the Puerta Ricians to stay in.

You know the house she bought for all the security she needs for her presidency.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#35

Demonstrated yet again, most of your points are shallow meaningless deflections with no substance.

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Howard Laverne ... 5 years 9 weeks ago
#36

We should focus on the cause which is reforming the POLICE.

The Police are the Problem.

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago
#37

Deflecting again?

Ok to need a house to store 12 thousand ...$12,000 pantsuits...but no one esle should have anything of value, they should give it up to the poor....but not your precious queen bee.

Seems your concern for the Puerto Ricians goes out the window when queen bee could give a little...not even a kind remark from her for the Hurricane victims just more of her

b*tchen about women...and everyone else.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#38

Okay, okay, we all get it -- you hate "Hellary" ...yaaawn. Now, do yourself a favor and move on to something substantive and quit deflecting with Republican sexist propaganda. Hint: tune out Fux News and the echo chamber; you'll be amazed by what's actually happening in the wider world and what's really at stake.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#39

Howard Laverne:

Absolutely! All the investigations, reporting, eyewitness accounts, video evidence, and just plain common sense suggest that that is exactly the core of the problem -- the entire institution of civilian policing in Ameerikkka.

Although most cops are decent human beings, and it's only a fraction who abuse their authority and persecute minorities, it's the overall culture of the "blue wall," where good cops circle around bad cops to shield them from accountability -- a complete failure of leadership on a massive scale! The "Administration" and Congress need to reform the whole stinking mess from top to bottom.

If you're a gamblin' man or woman, don't bet on that ever happening too soon with this ship of fools and Captain "F*ckface Von Clownstick" (credits to Jon Stewart) at the helm.

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago
#40

Actually it's your double standard I don't get.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#41

Give it up; your false equivalency deflections have no substance in reality.

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leoanduna 5 years 9 weeks ago
#42

I have come to a sincere belief that Trump is, himself, a white supremacist.

Legend 5 years 9 weeks ago
#43

Most white male blue collar workers when asked why they hated Hillary, say that they do no like the cackle in her laugh. Great reason to pick Trump.

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Ou812 5 years 9 weeks ago
#44

DS #33

You are Wrong Again, how do you expect anyone to believe any thing you say, when you can't even get something as simple as who wrote a song. "Stuck in the middle with you", Was performed by Stealers Wheel and written by Gerald Rafferty and Joe Egan, not Bob Dylan. Here is the entire song.

Stuck in the Middle With YouStealers Wheel

Well I don't know
Why I came here tonight
I got the feeling that
Something ain't right
I'm so scared in case
I fall off my chair
And I'm wondering
How I'll get down the stairs
Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you
Yes I am stuck in
The middle with you
And I'm wondering
What it is
I should do
It's so hard to keep
This smile from my face
Losing control
Yeah I'm all
Over the place

Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you

Well you started out
With nothing
And you're proud that
You're a self made man
And your friends
They all come calling
Slap you on the back and say
Please
Please

Tried to make
Some sense at all
But I can see that
It makes no sense at all
Is it cool to go
To sleep on the floor?
You don't think
That I can take anymore

Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you

Stuck in the middle
Stuck in the middle

Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right

Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
(Stuck in the middle)

Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
(Stuck in the middle)

Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
(Oh yeah)

Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you

Well you started out
With nothing
And you're proud that
You're a self made man
And your friends
They all come calling
Slap you on the back and say
Please
(I say)
Please

Well I don't know
Why I came here tonight
(Came here tonight)
I got the feeling that
Something ain't right
(Something thing
Don't feel right)
I'm so scared in case
I fall off my chair
(I am so scared)
And I'm wondering
How I'll get down the stairs

Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you

Stuck in the middle with you
(Oh yeah)
Stuck in the middle of you
(Here I am)
Stuck in the middle with you
(With you, with you)

Songwriters: GERALD RAFFERTY, JOE EGAN© BMG RIGHTS MANAGEMENT US, LLC

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#45

Why thank you. I stand corrected. The all seeing, all knowing God of Google, the great leveler of all things trivia, has forsaken me. Yeah, sorry 'bout that -- had Bob Dylan stuck in my mind for some reason. What can I say, the 70's were hard, barely survived.

Haha, whenever that song plays, I also have the Reservoir Dogs scene stuck in my mind when Mr. Blonde (Michael Madsen) cuts off the cop's ear. It's a cool song, notwithstanding Torrentino's sick images.

Here, you may now refresh that scene in your own mind, if you like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9rIBE0KM-w

Oh, by the way, you made some rather glaring grade-school-level errors in syntax and punctuation in your introductory paragraph, which seems fairly typical of your posts, if I may be so bold as to point that out. Also, "anything" is one word, not two.

You'd think a teacher of all people would realize such "simple" mistakes before publishing. Just sayin'. No worries though; I won't read any more into it than that or jump all over you, trying to conflate minor gaffes with reaching ad hominem attacks. That would be too petty.

Likewise, I would never "expect" anyone to "believe" anything I say. To do so would be the height of arrogance, would it not? Such a statement is just the ego talking, which has no merit.

Besides, a good discussion, in my opinion anyway, is not about flinging beliefs back and forth as much as it is about trying to get past the words to uncover that which does not depend on mere belief and which does not belong to anyone, but to everyone. The idea is to do one's own hard research and use common sense to distinguish a truth from a lie. After all, it is your life that you must live, which is your adventure, not anyone else's.

Or, for a deeper truth perhaps, go outside, look up at the sky, and simply observe the inner workings of the mind in real time without any egocentric judgments directing the flow, clouding the pure reality and joy of just being alive and conscious. Let objective facts speak for themselves independent of personal bias, and let actual life be the teacher, not the ego and its elaborate delusions. That is real freedom, real liberty. Believe it or not.

In Trumpland, that is also a most daunting task. I feel for ya, lassie.

Slán.

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Ou812 5 years 9 weeks ago
#46

Good advice :), instead of calling names and attacking everyone who disagrees with the "washed up lefties" line, (washed up lefties is not name calling, it's a description, it's not intended to hurt.) try following the advice yourself.

"Don't follow leaders,

Watch the parking meters"

Bob Dylan "Subterranean Homesick Blues"

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#47

Oh, I see. Got it. Your nonstop attacks, insults, and name-calling in virtually every post (and those of aka Chelsea Clinton and the rest of the trolls) against all the "dumb" "washed-up lefties," who "disagree" with your parroting of the wall-to-wall Republican propaganda smothering the nation, are just neutral, objective, and accurate descriptions.

And, assumedly, the steady barrage of vicious attacks, cruel insults, and juvenile name-calling, spewing forth from the creepy blow-lips and little Twitter fingers of this small-minded jerk, sexual pervert, pathological liar, malignant narcissist, sexist, racist, xenophobic, clown-f*ck pussy-grabber, whom you seem to whole-heartedly support and, evidently, emulate, are the inspiring words of a great statesman.

When the tables are turned, however, (What do you expect?) and you're on the receiving end, well then, all of a sudden it's "hurtful." Mmm... now isn't "snowflake" originally a right-wing description leveled (inaccurately, of course) at politically correct liberals? Instead of "description," isn't "projection" a more apt term?

BTW, which of the above "descriptions" of your favorite puss-gut pussy-grabber are inaccurate?

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Ou812 5 years 9 weeks ago
#48

You are a living, breathing example of the oxymoron Progressive-Resitance. So sad. Go spank your monkey, I'm sure that's the only "pussy" you're getting.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#49

Ha, right on cue! I love it! The real hotdog is baaack ...childish insults and all. "Good! Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you." -- Emperor Palpatine

​So nasty! Your true colors are easy to draw out, just like all the other dime-a-dozen trolls pumped up on Fux News steroids, who flock to progressive sites and think they're sophisticated enough to "teach" us unenlightened rubes a thing or two about realpolitik.

Not much of a challenge, really -- somewhat entertaining on a slow day maybe, but just embarrassing more than anything else. I almost feel guilty ...oh, okay, not really.

Buuut... still can't adequately or realistically defend the unmitigated disaster of fascist far-right positions, rabid Republican hypocrisy, or the comical schoolyard bully and stunted vulgarian you love to emulate, eh?

Oh darn, too late -- another dead thread. Playtime's over.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago
#50

#50! Yes!

Sorry, all further insults, er, "descriptions" are now shunted to Page 2. Good luck with that, ya feckin' chancer...

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