Et tu, John McCain?

John McCain has officially come out against the Graham-Cassidy Obamacare repeal bill.

Will other Republicans follow his lead?

The so-called Maverick may have just slayed his best bud Lindsey Graham's healthcare bill.

Arizona Senator John McCain has announced that he cannot "in good conscience" vote for the Graham-Cassidy ObamaCare repeal bill - saying in a statement that he could not support it without a CBO score.

"I cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal. I believe we could do better working together, Republicans and Democrats, and have not yet really tried. Nor could I support it without knowing how much it will cost, how it will affect insurance premiums, and how many people will be helped or hurt by it. Without a full CBO score, which won’t be available by the end of the month, we won’t have reliable answers to any of those questions."

In that same statement, McCain urged bipartisanship - and said he would consider voting for the bill if it were brought up as part of "regular order" and not part of the budget reconciliation process Republicans are using to force it through Congress with a simple majority and zero public hearings.

If just one more Republican comes out against this bill it's dead.

So will it fail?

Or will they bribe more senators like they're trying to bribe Lisa Murkowski and get them to stay on board?

Graham-Cassidy is now hanging like a thread, who'll be the next Republican to cut it loose?


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Ou812 5 years 9 weeks ago

John McCain is correct, it needs to be a bipartisan bill

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Willie W 5 years 9 weeks ago

Come on Trump. Just get out the plan you promised us over and over. Better health care for all, for less cost. "World Class!!!" As soon as that plan pops up, it should sail right thru. Why are you letting these clowns chip away at your reputation for keeping promises?

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Hephaestus 5 years 9 weeks ago

Those people that vote against obamacare do not have a mind

They choose to see a huge pecentage of population without healthcare

They choose to witness death and sickness take and possess the lives of fellow citizens

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Riverplunge 5 years 9 weeks ago

Bipartism?? How can you have that on a bill that kills millions? Will the Democrats have their souls removed like the other side?

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Riverplunge 5 years 9 weeks ago

If the Democrats are dumb enough to get sucked in on bipartism. Then they get all they deserve for the blame of a bad bill. If they are smart, they will stay far, far, away from the other side!

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johnrquinn 5 years 9 weeks ago

I think they will buy them off

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johnrquinn 5 years 9 weeks ago

Not much to chip away at

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Riverplunge 5 years 9 weeks ago

I fear that you are right, johnrquinn.

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dnd 5 years 9 weeks ago

Read "White Trash. The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America" by Nancy Isenberg. You'll understand the Trumpsters after reading this.

I think she'd be a great guest Thom.

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Riverplunge 5 years 9 weeks ago

Maybe we need some satire for this subject: 

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago

At least Senator McCain's brain cancer isn't eating away his soul like the corporate cancer that has turned his possessed Republican colleagues into shrieking demons from the pits of Wall Street. Riverplunge is right; Democrats better keep their distance from the Dark Side. You cannot compromise with pure evil; it can only be defeated and destroyed.

Legend 5 years 9 weeks ago

I am for medical tourism. I hope that the countries involved start advertising on USA television. Cuba would be best. Panama has excellent facility's. India is world renowned for excellent care and low costs. Stop paying for high cost insurance. You can save tons of money.

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2950-10K 5 years 9 weeks ago

Well I see the Kochpublican Fascist Party has us all on defense again. Bernie's single-payer needs to be talked about every chance we get. It's the only affordable answer and the vast majority knows it.

I'll say this, after the attempts to repeal and replace the ACA which was originally a right-wing for profit Health Insurance plan, nothing to do with the actual administration of Healthcare.....if anyone still believes the Koch Party will actually legislate in their favor, well this is as solid proof of corpse media brainwashing as I've ever seen. You have to be so far out there if you don't get it I feel sorry for you.

There is zero chance of any compromise with a party that represents only billionaires with fascist beliefs. The Democratic Party needs to message with huge rallies....this is by far the most effective way to get the word out to red state voters in a fascist country that ranks 47th in freedom of the press.

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2950-10K 5 years 9 weeks ago

So Bachmann, I bet you never used the word bipartisan when Obama was president, did you?....hell he even gave up a Supreme Court pick thanks to massive election fraud.

I'm sure you'd still use that bipartisan word if it had been Clinton who got installed by Kobach and Putin, wouldn't you????

commchf 5 years 9 weeks ago


I'm a "tag you're it" fan. I'm working (volunteer) on the campaign of Alan Geracie (D) candidate for California Assembly District 75, currently held by a Republican.

Alan ran a Bernie war room in 2016 in our city.

Is there a way other than the standard call in for him to get on the radio show or is that too much to ask?

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ikeberltersen 5 years 9 weeks ago

This bill is even more of a joke than the last bill, no public debate and it doesn't even have CBO scoring, yet we know about how many millions will lose health care, somewhere around 30 million. All of the Republican bills have had one objective, get rid of the high earners tax that funds much of the ACA as the first plank in an agenda of tax cuts for the wealthy. They want us to believe that you can somehow take away the funding for health care and still provide the same level of care, as if 1 plus 1 equals 3. None of their bills intended to fix the ACA, they were all about tax cuts, destroying the ACA, and Obama's legacy. As with Ryan's budget plans, Republicans engage in magical math that doesn't add up.

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago

Oh no the horror .....

This is What the Establishment Fears: Watch Black Lives Matter & Trump Supporters Come Together

Imagine people coming together...what could we do if we weren't hating on each other???? Please share this with Maxine the warmonger!

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago

Then, by your own definition, you are "hating on" Maxine Waters?

Garbage in, garbage out:

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Dianereynolds 5 years 9 weeks ago

You are correct HotCoffee. The left can only exist if they continue to divide Americans. Listen to the leftie/socialist media bobbleheads and all you hear is "white privilege" crap, all republicans are Nazis, men against women, rich vs. poor, corporations (that actually pay employees) are for profit and profit is not good, everything is a "right" and should be provided to anybody for free all paid for by the "rich" or whomever they deem as "rich".

Look at reality, most of the malcontents here lean towards communism but don't even know what the word means. Don your black pajamas and march to the broom factory. That's the ticket.

Bernie, Maxine, Warren in 2024? Go for it, but pre-plan your "we got screwed by election fraud" speech because you will need it.

As for Maxine....

Unfortunately the far right is just as bad. Hence, we have President Donald J. Trump elected by a majority of mainstream working Americans that think Washington D.C. is a cesspool and will put anyone in office that is an outsider.

Legend 5 years 9 weeks ago

3.5 million USA citizens (same population as the state of Colorado) in the USA territory of Puerto Rico have no electricity and their homes have been devastated and the POTUS is tweeting about protests in the NFL. Talk about dividing the country Dianereynolds.

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Wet Willie 5 years 9 weeks ago

Great idea, but:
why would KorpsTeeVee even Allow such a thing?!
They do have 'Standards,' after all.....

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Aletazo 5 years 9 weeks ago

There is a full page tribute to John McCain in the 9/24 Arizona Republic (p20A), signed by over 25 hospitals, medical centers, and health associations, thanking him for his "principled leadership" on the healthcare issue. Health care providers do not want any of these Republican replacements to the Affordable Care Act, and neither do most voters. The Republicans claim they are keeping their promise to the voters to repeal Obamacare, but voters do not want it repealed. The Republicans are simply trying to keep a promise to themselves and their wealthy donors. Nurses, doctors, and other health care providers, along with hospitals, businesses and individual voters want single payer, Medicare-for-all. Until we get to that point, we need to keep and fix the ACA.

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago


I don't hate Maxine ....I just hate what she's doing to futher divide us. I can seperate hating a person from hating their actions.

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago


I agree that the far right is just as bad.

I can't seem to find my white privilege...I looked everywhere....don't know where I left it?

It's not under the bed or in the Kitchen...have you seen it?

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago

Consider the following hypothetical scenario. A single white mother is working hard to raise three kids on her own. She came from humble beginnings and sacrificed a carrier she dreamed of as a child to stay home and be a full-time mother. One day, she was left by her husband in the wake of bankruptcy with nothing. Now, living in a motel with her children is the only option. She decides to attempt to get a better paying job that will allow her to only work two jobs as opposed to her current three so that she can provide better accommodations for her family and be able to spend more time raising her children. She puts on the one impressive outfit she could afford and goes in for the interview. She beats incredible odds and gets the job. I am sad to think there are people who would look at her in her new workplace and think to themselves that she was there only because of “white privilege.”

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Ou812 5 years 9 weeks ago


Is there anyone on this site who believes anything 2950-10k says?

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago

HotCoffee, nice job at parsing, but it ain't flying.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago

And, ol' granny's rapid decent into Dante's Inferno continues...

Yeah, that wicked Maxine Waters -- how dare an uppity black women stand up and speak her mind against the overt sexism and racism that imbues the white male, good 'ol boy power structure of today's Republican Party, which dominates Congress, the White House, and Wall Street. And how dare the opposition, including the clear majority of Americans, challenge their one-party-rule hegemony.

(Sorry, your fake "president was NOT "...elected by a majority of mainstream working Americans..." That's the biggest lie of all. But keep telling yourself that while sucking your thumb -- hopefully not the one stuck up your manky arse.)

For someone who instructs others to "look at reality" and who claims the mantle of mainstream moderation (Now there's a whopper!), Diane Reynolds sure loves to wallow, post after post, in far-right lies, school-yard name-calling, and delusional conspiracies. Her hypocritical, hate-filled rant above, against some fictitious "left" that only exists in the susceptible minds of the Fux News gullible, is typical of the baseless disinformation and false narratives that fuel the far-right fringe. Every sentence is rotten with the stench of the same badly sourced innuendo and empty rhetoric programmed into all other Trump droids, festering sores on the body politic dripping with anger and disdain for anyone who challenges their dear leader's sanity. (Easy to do.) Move along, no originality here...

Even her chosen moniker reveals a conscious bias and a deep irony. "Diane Reynolds" was, for a time, the primary alias of Chelsea Clinton, which she used to throw off the paparazzi while traveling. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Really, why does Diane/Chelsea keep coming back to this blog if she is so disgusted by liberals and progressives -- to "enlighten" lesser intellects, to spread lies and hate, or to satisfy an unconscious urge to seek truth? The second and third options are probably correct, certainly not the first.

Or for that matter, why do any of the right-wing trolls bother to come here? Are they oblivious to how foolish they appear to anyone with even a modicum of common sense?


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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago

Speaking of Trump bots, hotdog lady is projecting again. Nobody here, other than fellow bots, believes a damn thing you say!

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago


Do you have any children? Can you imagine your child doing something you really don't like and asking him / her to stop. It doesn't mean that you don't love your child.

I happen to love the USA.

I'm not asking you to buy you don't seem to want anyone here that doesn't just go along with the rant.

The rant is destroying my relationship with my Democratic party. Now I consider myself un- affilated with any party.

To bad very few people would like to see us find solutions instead of tearing things down.

Destroying is easy building somthing... is much harder. What are you building?

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago

Sorry ...still ain't flying. The Democratic Party certainly doesn't need any more closet wingers in liberal clothing -- that's their main problem. So don't let the door hit ya in yer arse!

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago

Also I don't see what White Dylan Roof did to help our country by shooting up a group of Black Christians that embraced him.

Nor do I see how it helped that a Black man just shot up a church filled with elderly Whites in Tenn.

Maybe you can explain to me what good came of it?

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago

Last time I checked this was Thom's blog....when He asks me to leave I will.

I don't think he hired you as his bouncer.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago

Proven yet again that Diane/Chelsea is incapable of defending an untenable position.

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago

"So don't let the door hit ya in yer arse!" When I went to school that wasn't considered a question.

But speaking of haven't answered any of mine. Just more dis respectful


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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago

HC: Maybe you can explain why your endless strawman arguments and red herrings mean anything at all or add anything worth a sh*t to the conversation. To deny the widespread racism that exists in Republican America -- the America I absolutely do not "love" -- is the ultimate expression of white privilege.

Your reading comprehension is obviously colored by your paranoid predisposition as a disingenuous right-winger. Don't flatter yourself; I could care less whether dumbed-down trolls post here or not -- I just asked why. Again, another despicable lie from a delusional troll. (BTW, that's a long-running question on this blog that has never been honestly answered.)

Ergo: IDGAF what you say.

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago


I just showed two examples where both sides are wrong are you dense?

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago


Let me spell this out more clearly: I Don't Give A F*ck what you say and will never fit into the Fux framing of your false arguments.

For example: Now, you are conflating my "hit ya in yer arse" metaphor into your original lie accusing me of acting like Thom's blog bouncer. That was in reference to you leaving the Democratic Party (your words), not the blog. Again your reading comprehension is lacking.

So, why are you here?

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago

Thankfully not as dense as you, who "showed" us nothing but your own ignorance.

But, as Legend once admonished, such "conversations" with trolls are turning this thread into a "big nothing."

I'm outta here...

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago

Let me ask you the same question....why are you here.

I came here after reading Thom for many years to suggest not being so inflamatory in one article and you took it upon yourself to jump all over my post.

Thats how we first engaged in " conversation " on my part, and insults on your part.

Your Strawman bit is just a diversion from questions you have no answer for.

It's a shame because you are very bad you don't use it for good instead of stupid insults.

Once again you seem to feel this blog belongs to you and only those you approve of.

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago


LOL Starting to think that donkey is very accurate.

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago

Insults? LMOA -- I love 'em! What can I say; I'm Irish.

But, go back through the record, I usually only respond in kind to the insults (most of them lame as hell) that make up the bulk (along with deliberate lies) of nearly every troll post, especially Diane's, Ou812's, and now yours. Haha - ya can dish it out, but ya can't take it.

BTW, I still don't believe that you've been a Democrat for "over 50 years." Maybe, maybe not -- it's just not believable given your heavy bias toward hackneyed Republican talking points (lies), which are spread far and wide throughout the far-right blogosphere. Such attitudes just don't come as "natural" to any real Democrat worth a sh*t as they do to wingers (libertarians included).

So, enjoy your "new" affiliations and post to your heart's content -- just don't expect to be taken seriously, troll.

See ya -- and don't let the door hit ya in yer arse!


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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago

I rest my case.

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Ou812 5 years 9 weeks ago


“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”

Carl Sandburg

Here is my modification to better fit you

If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, call the other person names.

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago

Well then you're also acting out as an embarrassment to my Irish, English Heritage.

Are you sure your not the troll???

And why should I believe your Irish???

I care if I tell the truth ( my responsabiliy )....not if you believe it ( your problem ).

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deepspace 5 years 9 weeks ago

Jaysus! Irish and English genes? No wonder you are hopelessly confused.
LMOA! You're so easy.

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago

Well if you really want to laugh you can add a drop of Cherokee from my full blooded Cherokee great grandfather....I know here come the jokes & Insults. I can imagine his family on the trail of tears.

However in a prior post you were concerned with relief for ......

GOV. RICARDO ROSSELLO: First of all, we are very grateful for the administration. They have responded quickly.

The president has been very attentive to the situation, personally calling me several times. FEMA and the FEMA director have been here in Puerto Rico twice. As a matter of fact, they were here with us today, making sure that all the resources in FEMA were working in conjunction with the central government.

We have been working together. We have been getting results. The magnitude of this catastrophe is enormous. This is going to take a lot of help, a lot of collaboration.


Perhaps both sides are making the other side out to be worse than they are,

or would that be too peaceful for you? I do know how the Irish love a fight!!!

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HotCoffee 5 years 9 weeks ago

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