Thanks To GOP - 9 Million Children In Danger
Republicans failed to repeal Obamacare - but they still might succeed in throwing the healthcare system into chaos.
Even though it had been on their calendar for months, Congress did nothing about the deadline for reauthorizing the popular federal Children's Healthcare Insurance Program or CHIP which expired September 30.
And nearly two weeks have passed since without action.
Nine million kids depend on CHIP to get coverage.
Isn't this a perfect example of why we need to scrap our patchwork system once and for all and replace it with Medicare for All?
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Absolutely yes
That's what I was thinking.
Trumps campaign promises on Healthcare
I keep waiting for his base to see the light as they keep getting screwed. Tax reform is next.
Ho Ho Ho. And a Merry Shitmess to all. Yes, Dung-ho J. Grump had to go the delusional Valium Voters Vomitorium and brag about what a arrogant, greedy, sadistic, extremist asshole that he really is. And being the true caring Christians they are, they ate it up by the shovel full. They couldn't get enough of taking healthcare away from the poor. They couldn't get enough of raising the nuclear threat level with Iran. They couldn't get enough of imposing their biblical insanity on our government. They couldn't get enough about trashing the 1st Amendment. They couldn't get enough of bulldozing money to the rich via tax breaks, at the cost of everyone else. So, Ho Ho Ho, Merry Shitmess!!!
Tis the season to be folly!!
And now another 9 Million people that should agree that there should not be any republicans in office for the next 200 years.
And now another 9 Million people that should agree that there should not be any republicans in office for the next 200 years.
Bottom line: Congress knows there would be no logic in anything resembling universal health care, in a country that is 20-some years into its war on the poor. You can ignore this, but Congress cannot. The overall life expectancy of the US poor already fell below that of every developed nation. Lack of the basic human rights of food and shelter take a heavy toll on human health.
We might consider a measure of free health care for the currently employed. But even then, there's no urgency because we have a surplus of job-ready replacement labor.
Either way, any great plans that simply disregard the existence of the masses of poor won't work, because they aren't rooted in reality.
Where do the Dems in Congress fit in? I didn't check to see how they voted on this.
NOW is the time for Democrats to scream the danger at the NEWS!!
Open your political mouths damit!!
I love Thom's rhetorical questions. Mine is: Isn't it time we declared the Republican party a traitorous organisation or at least organised crime?
The literate, intelligent, concerned and pissed with facist, imperialist Britain having become founders of America must be turning in their graves
#10 - I love that one too!
Thom's being a bit romantic there I reckon
A rhetorical question is really a subjective statement to ponder and doesn't require an objective answer. As long as Republicans control government, however, any public outcry in opposition to the extremist, fascistic agenda of the pro-corporate, anti-people party of greedy oligarchs will be fiercely contested with a barrage of lies, innuendo, and finger-pointing. Dissenting voices will not be tolerated.
Anything good that Republicans might say about their self-dealing con-jobs is nothing but tortured rhetoric; everything bad is the reality. In just one day, their mad king sabotaged the healthcare of millions, sabotaged the Iran nuclear treaty, sabotaged the clean-air act, and sabotaged the budget by insisting on the Mexican wall boondoggle. Add these moronic decisions to the long list of other destructive edicts issued in just eight months under King Don's executive unilateralism. Where is the good?
And where is the Republican-controlled congress? Bogged down with unworkable ideologies, they still have to pay for everything "guvmunt" by December 8, to increase the debt ceiling or have the U.S. default, to deal with an immigration program expiring soon ...yet, they can't even figure out how to save a healthcare program for children (For chrissake!), which they had let expire.
Rhetorical questions to ponder: "Isn't this ... why we need ... Medicare for All?" --Thom Hartmann. "Isn't it time we declared the Republican party a traitorous organization or at least organized crime?" --ScottFromOz. "Aren't low-information Trump voters really just ignorant fools?" --the rest of the world.
This gives you an idea how tax reform will go!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/13/vice-president-p...
Is there any doubt that the Republican Party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the billionaire class?
Outside of the current situation in the White House, I think what may go down in history as one of the biggest political errors in our history, will be the failure of Democrats to include a public option in the ACA. The excuse that they were trying to get concensus is silly, because they got absolutely zero votes from any Republicans, not one...
It seems to me that the least disruptive approach would be to include that public option ASAP. If the free market is so innovative and more efficient than the government in administering and underwriting the expenses, let them prove it.
People that believe we couldn't possibly afford that expense don't seem to account for what we currently pay that doesn't even cover tens of millions of Americans at all, with untold millions who can't afford to cover their part of co-pay and or deductibles.
And there is absolutely no excuse for not requiring the pharmaceutical industry to negotiate drug pricing for Medicare, Medicaid, the public option, etc..
We should implement the Sanders proposal to include dental, vision and hearing aids. Feeding a middle man in such a huge portion of our economy, is simply a luxury we can't afford.
I believe people underestimate the improvement in our quality of life by removing the financial aspect out of the basic things required for life. It would likely improve actual health by the reduction in stress, which would help reduce costs. If we truly want to be the global leader, we have to start doing rational things, instead of all the endless bickering.
This whole thing also leads me to believe that the establishment Democrats are just a similar group as the Republican establishment, in that they are both funded by the wealthy and corporate America, with no incentive to actually help average Americans.
It doesn't make us a "communist" nation because we use a public system to handle the accounting and financing. It just makes us less stupid... ;^)
If you are in reasonable health, quit buying health insurance at ridiculous rates. Set up a healthcare savings account and invest the same amount in it. Google Medical Tourism. Plan on using other countries for you medical needs. Panama is an excellent one with many Doctors and Dentists trained in America. Savings pays for the roundtrip ticket and hotel. Relax on the beach. Medicare does not cover Dental and this is my plan. 1 trip per year.
I just found out that one in ten kids in this country are going to school but are homeless.
This is a national disaster. This government is by Elitists for Elitists and has turned its back on all of us. At what point do we wake up? This country's children are paying the prices for no-adults-in-the-room. Between the pedophilia, snuff films, homeless school kids, and now no CHIPS, this administration is a complete failure.
Is this Government health care?
Mother jailed for a week for not vaccinating her son, 9, is 'outraged and devastated' he has been given the shots while she was behind bars
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4978954/Mother-jailed-not-vaccin...
Where you have no say over your own body? Or your childs...scary...if you believe in vaccinations or not.
Wag the dog.
Riverplunge is right; the Dems need to scream danger at the news. The corporate media has gone right back to providing distraction --- like the way some of them covered the Pence stunt walking out of the football game. The media, we, and the Dems, should call it what it is, "wag the dog."
Ban lobbyists... get money out of politics
Just a couple of ideas!
#19 - Kindly comprehend the story
speaking of kids
With six million kids attending California public schools, one would think Rolling Stone would ask the state’s governor who oversees those schools how schoolchildren are faring. After all, K-12 is the largest expenditure made by the state General Fund and the governor and state legislature write the Education Code.
More than half of California students can’t read at grade level and less than 40 percent meet math standards despite a doubling in spending per student.
Had I been the reporter, I would’ve asked these questions of Governor Brown:
- Why did you oppose the Vergaralawsuit filed by poor and minority students in the Los Angeles Unified School District alleging that their civil rights were being violated by California’s teacher tenure and dismissal rules? Will you work with the legislature in your final year to reform those rules?
- This year San Francisco Unified School District will devote only 29 percent of its budget to teacher salaries because of exploding spending on unfunded pensions and retiree health care. That’s the principal reason classrooms are understaffed and salaries are inadequate despite a big tax increase and big revenue gains. What steps are you and the legislature going to take to address that problem?
- California raised income taxes 30 percent and state revenues are up sharply from a bull market that has accompanied your entire tenure in office yet the Los Angeles Unified School District — the second largest in the country with 640,000 students — doesn’t qualify for a Positive Certification from your Department of Education because of worries that it cannot meet its financial obligations. What steps are you and the legislature taking to address that problem?
An interviewer not asking a California governor how kids are performing in the schools that governor oversees is the equivalent of not asking the president of Boeing about aircraft production.
http://www.foxandhoundsdaily.com/2017/10/a-tale-of-two-headlines/
#22
Kindly realize what kind of heath care is relavent.
It's beginning to look a lot like Shitmess, everywhere Trump goes. Ho Ho Ho...
@#23
All good questions but don't hold your breath waiting for an answer. In many states the cost per student is exceeding $20,000/student/year while the test scores have steadily declined. Their answer? Lower the acceptable standards. Remember one of the leftie/socialists primary tenets, everybody gets a trophy.
As for the unfunded liability issue, the left coast just puts on blinders and assumes they will be irradiated by waste from Fukushima or drowned by rising ocean levels in which case the problem become self correcting.
Unfortunately unfunded public worker pensions and healthcare for life are not a lie and as you well know. Cities across the country have already taken action to ameliorate the problem in the form of reduced payouts. It is the single most burdensom debt on the books for most large cities across America. Thousands of links but you are aware of the problem.
#23...Just like the unfunded Social Security lie, unfunded teacher pensions are one of the many lies spread by anti-union Fascists. Last time I checked there was 183 billion in the Calif. Teacher Retirement Fund. A signed contract means something, well maybe not to guys like Crooked Donny, he stiffs most of his contractors, but to the honest citizen, a promise is a promise. Heaven forbid the non-union fat capitalist's wage slaves would get any crazy ideas about pensions because members of unions get them.
As far as retiree's skyrocketing for- profit health insurance rates, Thom's blog already gave you that answer ...medicare for all. So 40 years of zero reaganomic wage growth still isn't enough for the fatcats?
How about all of those who profit from the hard work of others be required to disclose that profit to the general public? Then we can all decide whether or not it might be appropriate to provide pensions.
2950,
Stop your bullshit and go back to your secret group of rabble rousers.
Maybe if the state and unions had not all been listening to Thom's investment advice all this could have been cut in half in just the past few years. That would not would have pulled them out of total bankruptcy but at least they would be half as bad off as they are now.
Much of the problem is earners that refuse to pay California's high state income taxes and move to say, Colorado. Any tax dodgers here on this forum? I can think of at least one.
http://www.ppic.org/publication/public-pension-liabilities-in-california/
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-pension-unfunded/
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/30/steve-westly-california-pensions-a...
https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickgleason/2017/06/30/illinois-californ...
https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/05/15/gov-brown-california-pens...
http://www.ocregister.com/2016/05/25/oc-watchdog-unfunded-pension-debt-a...
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/da...
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/da...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-02/stanford-study-reveals-californ...
https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/14925/whats-californias-tot...
Hundreds more if you need them.
#29 Wrong site for your propaganda bull! Well maybe Kend and the three trolls posting recently will eat it up...the rest of us know what time it is.
If only you knew how foolish your posts look to those of us who know the truth....My god you knuckle draggers along with help from Kobach and Putin put Trump in the White House. Are you proud of yourself? LMAO!
Your arrogance like most foxmerized right-wingers is ridiculous. Keep drinking the Kool Aid.
As Crooked Donny already mentioned...it's the calm before the storm. So good luck with that ....the secret groups you allude to already know what he's about to do. Welcome to hell Diane!
I'm new here, I would like to say Hi to my friends 2950-10K, Stopgap, and Legend...Thanks for your posts, you make me look brilliant
That's right, 2950-10K: "A signed contract means something" ... "to the honest citizen, a promise is a promise."
Teachers' pensions, like all pensions, public or private, are legally binding documents negotiated by skilled representatives for each signatory. That a program can't pay out as promised because it is underfunded means that its managers failed to perform their primary duty. Is that a matter of gross mismanagement, deliberate fraud, or, worse, political malfeance?
Whatever the reason, state taxpayers are on the hook to make up the difference by either raising taxes, robbing other programs, or both. The terms of a contract must be honored and fulfilled.
Otherwise, good luck ever finding qualified and dedicated teachers in the future who are willing to babysit America's TV-addled, snot-nosed little brats for low pay, sickly benefits, and a trailer-trash retirement. Who wants to beat their brains out for a super-expensive degree, go into hopeless debt, and then throw it all away on a thankless, dead-end teaching career a step or two away from the janitor's closet?
Which brings up a more fundamental question: Why would underfunding public pensions be allowed to happen in the first place? The answer is a Gordian knot of political hypocrisy, bankrupt ideologies, and misplaced priorities. More than anything, it's a failure of leadership to understand and respect what most motivates a nation's citizenry: family; jobs; pensions; healthcare; education -- in a word: prosperity.
Paying teachers well, giving them all the tools modern society can muster, and ensuring that they have worthwhile pensions are integral components in that economic equation, are they not? After all, they are teaching our kids, who must learn to correct our mistakes and hopefully create a better future for their kids.
We are the richest nation on Earth and can easily afford a modern, state-of-the-art, publicly financed education infrastructure as well as a modern, state-of-the-art, publicly financed healthcare infrastructure -- all around with good pensions galore!
How do we pay for it? I dunno -- how 'bout the same way we pay for war? Life or death? Our choice.
Well, I see the trolls have been rummaging around in the Foxaganda trash bin. You might want to wear gloves when you're digging around in there. Don't want to get that crap on you're hands. Look what it did to Trump.
Pretty funny thinking that we are going to waste our time reading links posted by anyone that actually supports Trump. But go ahead and put'm up there if that's what it takes to make you feel better. You know that old saying about insanity…doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Just like Republicans thinking that just making the rich richer will make everything fine, even though time after time it only screws up the economy and makes everyone less richer.
Trump trolls are oblivious to how foolish they appear to normal humans. It is most entertaining when their gibberish becomes so incoherent that they feel compelled to "splash the pot" with a blizzard of links (like little blue snowflakes), as if the thoughts and opinions of others can somehow untangle their own.
DS,
One minute you crying in your beer cause 9 million children won't have heath care and the next minute you throw those..." TV-addled, snot-nosed little brats " under the bus for teachers.....and that's a normal human being.
Teachers could be paid well have pensions and schools would have plenty if there wasn't
a huge money sucking bureaucracy before anything gets to teachers and students.
Out of the two choices we had to vote for who was going to fix that.....
never mind lets not go there.
Pay any attention to the golden parachutes that CEO's get?
And there you have it. For a good example of the tangled up thoughts and opinions of your typical Trump troll, look no further than #35: Stir in snippets of quotes from others with your own borrowed phrases to make a thick, lumpy mush; squeeze it all through a cone-head strainer (Free at a Fux News outlet near you!); burn it to a crisp; and -- voilà! -- a delicacy of delightful disinformation!
No. Funding teachers does not mean de-funding students. That's a false, zero-sum choice. Fund both teachers and students; de-fund the f*cking wars! (I know, I know -- what a crazy concept.)
No. The problem is not "...a huge money sucking bureaucracy before anything gets to teachers and students." Our government runs our programs much more efficiently than the private sector, primarily because there is no profit motive.
The whole "waste, fraud, and abuse" argument is nothing but another right-wing canard, because government agencies have much better and more open oversight than do the moguls of monopolies, and because the one to two percent waste, fraud, and abuse is no worse, in fact is far more commendable, than the sorry record of most large organizations in the private sector. A lot more CEOs and their board members should be locked up than should government bearueacrats.
The main problem with education in America is that Republicans are constantly looking for ways to "starve the beast" and to profitize public interests so that more and more tax money ends up in the pockets of Rich Uncle Pennybags instead of going to students, their teachers, their buildings, their equipment, their programs, their future.
In reference to the above "Thanks To GOP - 9 Million Children in danger".
GOP Math:
9 Million Children + everyone else on Planet Earth = People In Danger thanks to the gallant old party.
Kind of amazing, even for Trolls, to attack teachers for being overpaid and receiving to high of benefits. They cannot collect Social Security in retirement. Why would anyone want to teach with the low pay, now low job security. I live in a district overrun by the right wingers. All they want is Charter schools that believe in a conservative curriculum. Teachers have left the area and school costs are going up. Glad that my kids are grown up and got an education from the highest ranked public high school in the state, that also ranked above the private schools.
Tax breaks for the wealthy is next on the list.
Donald Trump is a genius!! Blowing up Obamacare will force Democrats and Republicans to work together to provide health care. Although, 157 million families in the USA have health care through their employers, and won't be affected by the health care "explosion". The only answer is Democrats and Republicans must set aside their differences and negotiate a solution. You know what, I believe the Democrats and Republicans will work together for a solution. Of course, the washed up lefties will resist. They'll hold their breath for single payer. Resisting won't help those in need of health care now, but I don't think the washed up lefties care. They want the issue, not a solution. Remember, holding your breath is hazardous to your health, hold it for too long and you'll die.
“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that..." when the opening line is "Donald Trump is a genius!!" whatever follows certainly is not.
If one were to look up the definitions of shakedown, blackmail, hostage, or even (gasp) extortion what would that teach us and how are they different from each other? Most especially how can they be avoided.
Incidentally, if one were to hear an extended period of audible flatulence and to be so gifted to that they could put that melody directly into words, i wonder how the wording might be laid out in print and look in a complete paragraph.
@43: Snicker... Considering the context, your attempt at condescension would be less amusing and more believable had you conveyed it less incompetently.
In the first sentence, "your" should be you're and "to" should be too. Splitting the infinitive in the second sentence sounds cumbersome; perhaps place the adverb afterwards. And, do you mean "continually" or continuously, steady but intermittent or constant without letup?
While this is only a comment thread and internet prose is notoriously informal, those are still fairly sophomoric mistakes that you'd think would jump out at the trained eye of someone who professes to be a teacher. Makes you wonder ...considering the context.
changeX: That is the challenge every White House pool reporter faces every day: how to make sense of and place into words the overwhelming stench emanating from the Oval Office. Haha, not sure if "melody" is the right word though.
@45 DS I'm not an English teacher, I've never claimed to be. I am however, an effective communicator. I'm a much better speaker than writer. I'll admit, you are a gifted writer. Your words flow well, there almost poetic. However, your message is void of content (did I say that right, makes no difference, you know what I mean). So if you want to attach my ideas, have at it. Attacking me makes you look dumb, but makes you a hero to the dumb as a doorknob crowd. But it's not about attacking my ideas is it. It's about puffing up yourself so you can remain a hero to the dumb as a doorknob crowd.
@42 DS..You've already proven that you're not to bright. Why do you feel the need to prove it continously?
@42 DS Bipartisan deal reached on Healthcare
Na nah....(. Tongue sticking way out)
See, HotCoffee was correct. This will drive the malcontents into the fetal position. Democrats working with Republicans and supporting those evil for profit insurance companies. How delightfully ironic.
Ou812, this is twice Christmas morning.
It's unclear; are you two celebrating that Democrats are trying to save lives, as opposed to Republicans trying to destroy them, or that corp-Dems are fascists like yourselves?
@#46 & 47: Oh yeah ..."effective communicator" ...uh huh. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." (Dubya: "I'm the decider. No, really!")
My my, touch a nerve there, did we? In your mind's eye evidently, you're a real tough guy/gal who gladly insults others (nearly every post, every chance); but then, when the favor is happily returned ("Oh, the humanity!"), you're suddenly so sensitive, so needy, so defensive, such a delicate little snowflake! (OMG -- just like all those touchy-feely libtards Fux News told us to hate!) Poor lil' me, me, me ...I feeel your pain!
Yes, there is no doubt; as cheap entertainment, I do love to challenge ("attack") your pathetic Republican ego, ideas, opinions, positions, your every word and drop of spittle. All is fair in love, war, and politics ...and some things are just fairer than other things, and much more deserving.
Why (besides for the laughs)? Simple human decency, the arch of history, and glaring outside reality demands that you and every other Trump troll and Republican sychophant be exposed for the big lies and frauds that you perpetrate, the horrendous crimes against not only our own citizens but the people of the world.
How in hell does one compromise with pure evil?! "Sooo... we will only tolerate that you murder thousands per year rather than tens of thousands. Hail Trump!"
Daylight and ridicule are the best disinfectants in realpolitik. I'm sorry that it's not the Democrats' fault that Republicans are so wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong again -- dangerously wrong! -- on almost every issue. And I'm sorry that your fragile ego identifies so closely with all of the right-wing delusions that have captured the gullible minds of the politically naive.
(BTW, that paragraph sounds a little better now; although, you still got the "to" wrong in the first sentence. Eh, maybe a C+...?)
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how many times do i have to say it? govt=business reps period. medicare is not the answer...you need people in govt who actually have empathy. i know that might sound like a fairy tale...but until that happens you ALL, except that 1%, will keep being bled to death...they've proved it for a looooooong time...at LEAST since reagan...i don't live there anymore. left behind a nursing license and jumped to another country at FIFTY, with no legitimate claim for work. i survived. but you all? i really feel sorry for you. seriously. i could've done a lot more lucrative work than nursing, trust me...i had a LOT of fields open to me...but i had the opp to work at co.(spelled 'poor people') hospitals. and i loved it...they got great care from me. top of my class. i'm saying this b/c i feel a need to establish credentials as 'not crazy'. but if you all want to keep ignoring what i'm saying, fine...seriously. i live in one of those 'devil/socialist type countries'. ; - ) it's a model human society, imo. it's changing as the System runs down...but, relatively speaking, it's paradise. hardly ANY homeless or hunger. keeps on getting in the top 10 lists of 'where things are best'...so there ARE other options. but you have to step up and show them that YOU, the people, ARE the bosses...that, supPOSEDly, it's for YOU, that place. 99% of you are being controlled by that other 1%...and that's even worse than winning by 3 millions somethings and losing. ; - ) you people actually went for that...that bullshit about the electoral college...led. a. round. by. the. nose. not that you really had a choice. him or HER? puhLEEZE! that's not a choice and that is NOT democracy...it's just who will jump through the corporate hoops faster...and in THAT way, it would be a CLOSE race...anyways...what happens there, unless it's a MAJOR economic crash, doesn't really affect me much. and this is my last post here. i'm disconnecting, i decided today, from as much of 'world news' as possible. i wake up? that's the news...i go outside, more news. AND weather. good luck folks...i've served y'all long enough...