What the CBO and FDR have to say about the Republican tax plan

The Congressional Budget Office has scored the Republican Tax scam.

This is fascinating.

The CBO, this is an independent, non-partisan agency that was created by Congress to be able to independently and without partisan bias determine the financial consequences of any particular piece of legislation that is being proposed by any party, including independents, in the United States Congress.

And so the Republicans submitted their tax plan to the CBO and the CBO came back with their score and they say that the Republican tax plan, by blowing a $1.7 trillion dollar hole in the budget of the United States of America, would raise our public debt to GDP ratio to 97.1%. In other words, over 90% of all economic activity in the United States is equal to the amount of debt that the United States has. By 2027.

And that would bring the debt to GDP ratio back to where it was in 1946. 1946 was the first year after the war. We were massively in debt in 1946. We had the World War II debt. It was the highest debt we've ever had in our history, arguably other than maybe fighting the revolutionary war, but we weren't a 'we' then.

This is amazing. And the Republicans like to go around and say, "we're the party of fiscal responsibility', which may be defined as having a balanced budget, so that the government can't loan money to people, the banks should be able to.

But the Republicans are so committed to paying off their donors. As Republican congressman Chris Collins said, "My donors are basically saying, 'Get it done or don't ever call me again.'"

So let's talk about tax.

Franklin Roosevelt had some very specific thoughts on tax. Let me share some of these with you...

"A number of my friends who belong in the very high upper brackets have suggested to me, on several occasions, that if I am reelected president they will have to move to some other nation because of high taxes here. Now I will miss them very much."

See, this is when people knew what was going on.

"If they go they will soon come back."

I think so too, especially if we keep building infrastructure.

"For a year or two of paying taxes in almost any other country in the world will make them yearn once more for the good old taxes of the U.S.A."

Yes, well, I'm not sure about that any more but that's an excellent point, Mr. Roosevelt. How about some more information here?

"Taxes, after all, are the dues that we pay for the privileges of membership in an organized society. As society becomes more civilized, Government - national, state and local - is called on to assume more obligations to its citizens. The privileges of membership in a civilized society have vastly increased in modern times. But I am afraid we have many who still do not recognize their advantages and want to avoid paying their dues."

Certainly it seems that things are not changing, here. Franklin Roosevelt again, talking about these things...

"On the one hand, there has been the vast majority of our citizens who believed that the benefits of democracy should be extended and who were willing to pay their fair share to extend them. And on the other hand, there has been a small, but powerful group which has fought the extension of these benefits, because it did not want to pay a fair share of their cost."

This guy is knocking them out of the park, and he's dead!

"Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle."

Yeah. No, the Republicans are saying it shouldn't be according to ability to pay, it should be no taxes, right? That's their thing, 'we don't want no stinking taxes' because they don't want to pay for their country.

"We fought the World War; and it cost us twenty-five billion dollars in three years to win it. We borrowed to fight that war. A Democratic Administration provided sufficient taxes to pay off the entire war debt within ten or fifteen years. Those taxes had been levied according to ability to pay. But the succeeding Republican Administration did not believe in that principle, and there was a reason. They had political debts to those who sat at their elbows. To pay those political debts, they reduced the taxes of their friends in the higher brackets and left the national debt to be paid by later generations."

That's exactly what they're doing right now. What he's talking about is exactly what the Republicans are all about. This is incredible.


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Hephaestus 48 weeks 1 day ago

I'm intrigued!

If money is created from nothing via frational reserve banking

Debt must be created by the same means

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ikeberltersen 48 weeks 1 day ago

My oh my, how the issues that matter to Republicans change with the political winds. Remember during the Bush administration when they routinely rubberstamped increases to the national debt, to borrow for Bush's tax cut, unfunded Medicare Part D, and the war on terror? Then Obama inherited the Great Recession, with the economy in free fall. His first year, 2009, the deficits piled up as revenue dried up, all of this predicted by the CBO. Cue the Republican outrage over the national debt. Never mind that the deficit was already 'baked in the cake,' and most of the year was on Bush's budget, suddenly the debt was THE most important issue ever. In subsequent years, the Obama administration reduced deficits, as a percent of GDP, to the lowest levels since the Eisenhower administration. That did not matter to Republicans, who could only chant "20 trillion dollars debt!" over and over.

Now Republicans are in power again, and, presto, chango, deficits don't matter anymore. Maybe a lot of people have short memories, but I don't. Republicans are frauds.

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2950-10K 48 weeks 1 day ago

I wonder if Tom Reed's debt clock will be removed now? He's a Kochpublican /Teabagger House Rep. from upstate NY....talk about a self-serving hypocrite. I've mentioned it several times before, why doesn't a patriotic progressive rep install a revenue loss clock right next to it?

Military industrial spy complex spending needs to be mentioned in connection with the Fascists not wanting to pay their fair share. This budget directly benefits their own piggish pockets along with protecting their global business/slave labor interests.

Speaking of our socialist funded spy complex, insider anonymous word is out that the CIA is obstructing the Russia-gate, collusion , treason, investigation. They had enough info long before the election to stop the madness that is about to unfold. This qualifys our CIA as an accessory to the treason.

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chuckle8 48 weeks 1 day ago

I wonder if ikebertersen has been listening to Thom long enough to hear Thom talk about the two Santa Claus theory. The theory (actually political plan) published in the NY Times in the 1970's by Jude Wanniski.

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chuckle8 48 weeks 1 day ago

Did anyone notice that the repugs wanted to extend the debt ceiling talks for 2 years? Pelosi, Schumer and tRump stopped them. I assume tRump stopped it because it gives him some power

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Springman 48 weeks 21 hours ago

Put a microphone in front of every Republican's face and ask whether (s)he supports cutting billions from Medicare.

Legend 48 weeks 15 hours ago

Their budget all ready cut 0.5 Trillion out of Medicare and 1.5 Trillion out of Medicaid.


They also plan on massive increases in Defense spending. Massive Revenue Cut + Massive Defense Spending Increases = Massive Recession. The proven Republican Fascist Formula. We have seen this movie before. Why do people keep voting it in?

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Riverplunge 48 weeks 11 hours ago

11-14-17 show - Authoritarian

You missed a big difference.. There is a huge difference between a CORRECTIVE father who corrects the child nicely, and being an ABUSIVE father (child beater). The abusive father is almost all we hear from Republicans these days. It seems to go with Fascism..

But there still are still a few GOOD Republicans that do good every now and then, and they DO deserve credit. BTW.. I was a hard core Republican until George Jr. lied about the weapons of mass destruction. Then I woke up.

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Juantarde 48 weeks 4 hours ago

ikeberltersen - Yes! Thank you for articulating this topic much better than I would have been capable of. Let us also not forget President Cheney's classic line, "Deficits don't matter...*"

* unless a Democrat is in the Oval Office.

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