Democrats Should Steal Trump's Thunder on Trade

It's time to run bigger, better and harder on trade policies.

"By preferring the support of domestic to that of foreign industry, he [the entrepreneur] intends only his own security, and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention."

-- Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations, 1776 (emphasis added to rebut "free trade" misuse of this quote, as free-traders always drop the first 11 words)

There's an old saying that even a broken clock is right twice a day. In that spirit, Donald Trump and his advisors are at least partly right about trade and tariffs.

Ironically, he's totally defying the entire Republican Party, as well as the Bill Clinton-corporate wing of the Democratic Party, and running with policies that progressive Democrats have been pushing for a century.

While most progressive politicians will admit Trump is right on trade (and several have on my radio/TV show), there aren't a lot of Democrats these days willing to enthusiastically acknowledge Trump might be right about anything so they're not much popping up on network or cable TV.

Which is unfortunate: the Democratic Party should return to its progressive/protectionist/union roots and steal this issue right from Trump's teeth, saying that he's not doing it well enough or fast enough. They should run hard in 2020 on Bernie's suggestion that we use protectionist policies to end our trade deficits and bring back home our jobs.

The disastrous trade deficits we've been running since the Reagan era are damaging to the future of America for a variety of reasons, from national security to where the profits from American companies end up, to the flattening of American working wages and benefits.

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Coalage3 39 weeks 2 days ago
#1

So the correct answer is that you have not lost anything since Trump was inaugurated.

Once again, your are writing about something that hasn't really happened yet, but some opinion writer thinks that it might.

When it actually happens that SS, medicare, other benefits are cut, then you have a point. Until then, not so much.

Legend 39 weeks 2 days ago
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Coalage3 39 weeks 2 days ago
#3

I don't recall Trump saying anything about cutting SS, medicare, welfare programs, etc. Do you? Its possble I missed those statements.

I have been voting since 1972 and this is the same rhetoric that is always thrown around when a republican is president. That is, they are going to cut all of the so-called social programs so they can cut taxes for the rich. They want to shrink the federal govenment down to nothing...blah, blah, blah.

And when has that ever happened? Under Nixon? Nope. Reagan? Nope. The Bush boys? Nope. But somehow you think that Trump is going to accomplish that feat? I don't think so. I'll go on record as saying that the federal govt. will expand during the Trump presidency. History is certainly on my side.

Legend 39 weeks 1 day ago
#4

You obviously are not reading the links.

Legend 39 weeks 1 day ago
#5

Everyday is another train wreck. Merry Xmas.

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HotCoffee 39 weeks 23 hours ago
#6

Looks like Thom's website is going down....just like mccabe.

Legend 39 weeks 7 hours ago
#7

Yeah, and it looks like Hillary is going to get the last laugh.

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Dianereynolds 38 weeks 6 days ago
#8

Just think of all the leftie/socialist hate and fretting over other peoples money that will continue to build up without a venue to make fools of themselves.

Watters/sanders 2024

Legend 38 weeks 6 days ago
#9

We do not hate. Republicans are the party of hate and hate radio. Well established.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hate%20Radio

Legend 38 weeks 6 days ago
#10

If anybody cares at Thom Hartmanns Studios, Fridays Podcast audio was really bad. Static, low volume, not worth listening to. Hope you get it straight.

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Dianereynolds 38 weeks 6 days ago
#11

Yep Rick Steve, NO hate from the leftie/socialists here at all.

Comments from our rational?, alt-left malcontent leftie/socialist friends, captured over just a couple of days.

“Sycophantic, bigoted, sexual abusing, pathological lying, greedy, heartless, sociopathic traitors of the Republican party, rightwing child fuckers, these fucking idiots, Nazi nimrods, delusional, sycophantic lemmings, bigoted, sexual abusing, pathological lying, greedy, heartless sociopathic traitors and child-fucking abettors!, pathological lying, con-man thug and his sycophantic ass kissers, pussy-grabbing , thin-skinned, egomaniacal blowhard, bigot sycophant supporters. When are you fucking rightwing greedy bigot morons gonna wake up to who this insane, lowlife, conman, grifter, piece of shit really is? Just how crazy does this fucking insane asshole have to get before you conservatives wake up? at the fingertips of a paranoid, schizophrenic, seriously deranged, delusional, thin-skinned, corrupt thug, fucking gun nuts, lying, oxycontin drug-addled dope fiend stack of shit and Dominican Republic viagra sex junketeer known as Rush Limbaugh, toxic pus-ball, Rush Limbaugh.

stecoop01 • 13 hours 50 min ago

#3

As bad as Trump IS, Pence would be even worse. Why? Because Pence knows what he's doing, and is far better at the game of politics than Trump could ever dream of being.

So, impeach Trump, shoot Pence.

stecoop01 • 13 hours 15 min ago

#8

Is it too late to nuke Washington? How about a little plague that only attacks politicians?

Rick Steve: Kend, you are a fucking moron!

Source: TH forum and me

Merry Christmas kids.

Legend 38 weeks 6 days ago
#12

Where did you get the quote that you attributte to Rick Steve? Your immature calling people names is also hate.

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2950-10K 38 weeks 6 days ago
#13

Reynolds: Speaking of other peoples money, if wages had kept up with worker productivity, minimum wage would have been $22 per hour as far back as 2012...... like they always did before your beloved trickle down. Obviously you still feel like the billionaires need more of your help and my money.

BTW: There are plenty of social media venues for patriots like myself to get the truth out...sorry to deflate the self delusion that you trolls have silenced us by provocative attacks on this site.

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2950-10K 38 weeks 6 days ago
#14

Just like before WWII, I realize relative few take fascism seriously, but note Bannon's and Robert Mercer's role in Cambridge Analytica. Mercer is a huge member/ donor of the Koch network. In my opinion, the Koch's are the deep state, and along with Putin the greatest threat to democracy world wide. Draw your own conclusions!

Legend 38 weeks 6 days ago
#15

Facebook is down 5.5% this morning over the Cambridge Analytica news. Cambridge Analytica is largly owned by the Mercer Family. Trumps main financial supporters. Putin was re-elected in a landslide. Xi Jinping is dictator of China for life. We have Oligarchs running our Government. Are we better or worse off than Russia and China?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica

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Dianereynolds 38 weeks 6 days ago
#16

Sorry Rick, It wasn't Kend you hatefully called a fucking moron, it was Gumball during another of your ever present "they have more money than me and that's not fair" tirades,

Legend • 2 weeks 1 day ago#14

"Why do you Trolls come on this site and post with no reference absolute falsehoods. Gumball you are a fucking idiot. Do 2 seconds of research. You post this stuff and this is what is killing you, the morbidly rich."

Source: TH forum & me

Legend 38 weeks 6 days ago
#17

I will stand by that. I notice that you still use immature name calling. That is very hateful of you.

Coalage3 38 weeks 6 days ago
#19

Why are you so upset about the Cambridge Analytical news, and the Mercer family? Whatever they did was not illegal, at least according to what I heard. Facebook is now just trying to save face because they allowed different groups and organizations to do this.

According to some reports I heard this morning, it was the Obama administration who first came up with one of the methods of data mining user data from Facebook several years ago. It is said that the NYT even praised them for their "inventiveness".

Legend 38 weeks 6 days ago
#20

If you are content with Oligarchs running the country Then be content with staying in that coal mine until you die. This is what Fascism is all about. Putin just won "in a landslide". Jinping for life in China. Roll over and let Oligarchs run you over. Will Mueller be fired?

What is your source on Obama?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mercer_(businessman)

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-aides-cambridge-analytica-872e244f5c83/

Coalage3 38 weeks 6 days ago
#21

As to Obama and data mining, that was talked about on a local radio show in my part of the woods.

You should know all about fascism as the democratic party is leading the charge.

Mueller should be fired at some point if he doesn't wrap up this investigation in some reasonable period of time. How about six more months? Even though the dems and the never Trumpers would love it, you cannot set the precedent of just allowing a special prosecutor to hang around forever.

Legend 38 weeks 6 days ago
#23

Both articles are 6 years old and are about advertising.

Legend 38 weeks 6 days ago
#24

How is the Democratic Party leading the charge to Fascism. Examples? References? Facts?

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HotCoffee 38 weeks 5 days ago
#25

Diane & coalage,

Just for giggles a fun write-up

Oh, No! ‘What Happened’ to Hillary’s Wrist?

http://jeannie-ology.com/blog/2018/03/18/oh-no-what-happened-to-hillarys...

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gumball 38 weeks 5 days ago
#26

Both articles are 6 years old and are about advertising.

What is the difference between "advertising" and "manipulating"? When team Obama did it everyone spoke of how groundbreaking and smart it was, now it is evil. No, this is the whole business model of social media. Targeted advertising based on your likes.

All these reporters wringing their hands over this and Russian paid FB posts should have a little perspective.

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Dianereynolds 38 weeks 5 days ago
#27

HotCoffee, thanks for the laughs.

I was more concerned with Hillary embarassing herself on her worldwide 'blame someone else tour". I wanted a t-shirt with the names of all she threw under the bus printed on the back but they only had them in size XXXXXXXL and I do not meed another mainsail on the Beneteau.

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2950-10K 38 weeks 5 days ago
#28

A comment like the Democratic Party is leading the rise of Fascism is further evidence of the effectiveness of alt right propaganda.

The image of throngs of cheering German citizens lining the streets as Hitler rides by with his entourage always makes me feel ill. I get nauseated not only because of Hitler, but also by the thought of all those supposedly sane people buying into Adolf's self puffed evil.

We've seen this movie before. The incremental stages of normalizing what was considered extreme outrage just a couple years ago is not imaginary, it's happening again, and yes it's real! Even some progressive outlets have fallen victim to spinning the constant chaos as if it's just the new normal we all should learn to accept. Can you imagine waking from a two years sleep and turning on the news????

Why is this country still in denial of the obvious? Why are we allowing a few extremely wealthy and power hungry individuals distract us with a fool like Trump and his fascist base while they tear down 243 years of hard fought gains?

Putin is sure proving his point, our "democracy" can be just as corrupt and authoritarian as his version of fascism. Does anybody really still think that come November, those big money individuals currently in complete control of our government will give up that control with fair elections??? I can tell you what Putin thinks!

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HotCoffee 38 weeks 5 days ago
#29

Diane,

well just get another yacht...I really wanna see that T shirt!

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HotCoffee 38 weeks 5 days ago
#30

2950,

How come that RED RESET BUTTON didn't have you hyperventilating about Putin ... or the Uranium? Putin's been around for a while now, but never an issue with the left until Trump won.

There are a lot of really bad guys out there but that fasicist, hitler thing is really getting old, used so much you would think there is a hitler under every bed, in every closet and behind every bush. Power Hungry people have been running things since time began and there are more than enough of them on all sides.

What are YOU doing to make life better, kinder,more joyful?

Coalage3 38 weeks 5 days ago
#32

Why do I think the democrats are the true fascists in the US? Easy. Which party demands that everyone goose step in tune, and there can be no deviation? The dems. Want to be a pro-life democrat? No no Nanette...thats not allowed anymore. How about a pro-religion democrat? Oh no, that might even be worse. They can't welcome those heathens who cling to their guns and religion. Which party is doing their best to ban the speech that they don't like? Its not the republicans. It won't be long before some group of progressives will start calling for so-called "conservative" books to be banned. Or better yet, lets have an old fashioned book burning. And If you don't understand why Johnny now thinks he is Joannie, even though the equipment hasn't changed, you are somehow a bigot.

The democrats used to be able to claim the mantra of the big tent. They may still have a big tent, but the tickets to get in are now going to a different group of people. The democratic party I grew up with used to try and make room for everybody under the big top. That is not the case any longer. Either goose step with us, or move along.

Legend 38 weeks 5 days ago
#33

The factless opinion of a terribly brainwashed Fox News watcher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Definition of fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

These trolls have one thing in common. They are Looney Tunes.

Legend 38 weeks 5 days ago
#36

Watch the video in #31and read up on it in 34. Obama Data mined to contact Democrats. Cambridge used it to feed fake news and brainwash.

Is it serious? Facebook took a $40 billion hit on it yesterday while people will yawn at your post, Diane. Look at what is happening. Trumps son-in-law cannot get a security clearance. The head of Trumps campaign is facing 300 years in prison. Trump has McCoabe fired. He is undermining the FBI. Trump was never vetted. Could he pass a security clearance. Nobody has seen his taxes. Money is pooring in from other countries to his hotels and resorts. The list goes on. A train wreck every day.

Coalage3 38 weeks 5 days ago
#37

When did this country get a dictator? I admit I don't watch the news very much, but I think I would have heard about that.

The fact is the democrats should just go ahead now and make it official. They should rename themselves the Democratic Facist Party. What do you think Legend? As they say, if the shoe fits....

I also notice you didn't refute what I said. Just a crude attempt at a comback...thanks for the verification. Deep down, every poster on this forum knows its true.

Here's another opinion on the Facebook thing: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/camridge-analytica-scandal-how-facebook-works-harvesting-data-politics-trump-brexit-a8264051.html

It is easy to be misled into believing that the Cambridge Analytica story is about rogue data miners taking advantage of an innocent Facebook. Facebook’s decision to suspend Cambridge Analytica’s access, the use of terms like “data breach”, and a good deal of coverage in the media seems to follow these lines. That, however, misses the key point. This is not a data breach by any means – and nor is it something that could not have been predicted or could easily have been avoided. This is, in many ways, Cambridge Analytica using Facebook exactly as the social media platform was designed to be used. This is how Facebook works.

Three key parts of Facebook’s model come into play: gathering data from people in order to profile them, both en masse and individually, designing systems that allow that data to be used to target people for advertising and content, then allowing third parties (generally advertisers) to use the data and those targeting systems for their own purposes. The power of these systems is often underestimated, but Facebook themselves know it, and have tested it in a number of ways.

Legend 38 weeks 5 days ago
#38

You cannot refute fact free nonsense, Not worth anyones time. You are really a sad brainwashed individual.

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Dianereynolds 38 weeks 5 days ago
#39

Coalage, what many of these malcontent leftie/socialists don't understand is the fact much of the working population is less concerned with "facts" and more concerned with actual results. If you listen to the alt left, so far we have had a nuclear war with No. Korea and Iran, Melania is wearing the wrong shoes, and Putin is sharing the White House with Trump.

I voted for Trump only because he was an outsider with a very different approach to governing plus his judge appointments were very important to me. I agree with half of what he says or does but so far from my point of view, he is miles ahead of Obama or anything Bernie Sanders would have accomplished, note I exclude Hillary Clinton because after she stabbed Sanders and proclaimed she would attack the gun owners she was doomed to the dustbin of losers.

Legend 38 weeks 5 days ago
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Facebook is down 6 more this morning. A train wreck every day.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-officials-left-trump-administration/...

Coalage3 38 weeks 5 days ago
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Or, in other words, you can't figure out how to refute it because you know its true. Got it...

And by the way, just for kicks, tell everyone what facts are missing.

Legend 38 weeks 5 days ago
#42

You are a sick person Coal.

Coalage3 38 weeks 5 days ago
#44

If my post labeling the democratic party as the fascist party is way off base and full of "fact free nonsense", then it should be very simple for you or others to refute. But you don't even try. You just come back with some nonsensical response. That tells me, and every other poster, that you really must be accepting what I wrote.

I'm not sick, I'm just pointing out the obvious.

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Worn out door knobs 38 weeks 5 days ago
#45

My friend legend, you aren’t able to refute any of what Coalage3 says. All you do is call names, or find meaningless “references” . Admit it, he or she is right, you are wrong.

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HotCoffee 38 weeks 5 days ago
#46

well well,

Anyone want to comment on this?

Blackmail of Congress members suspected in House hacking case; witnesses’ silence speaks volumes

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/03/20/blackmail-of-congress-members-sus...

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HotCoffee 38 weeks 5 days ago
#47

Well it seems it cost us taxpayers at least 22K to listen to Hillary insult us in India.

HILLARY CLINTON’S India Trip Cost Taxpayers Over 22k…Negative Political Fallout from Democrats? Priceless

https://100percentfedup.com/hillary-clintons-india-trip-cost-taxpayers-2...

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2950-10K 38 weeks 4 days ago
#48

Coffee: What closet have you been locked in??? Putin has always been problematic not only for us, but also to his own people and NATO. Tons of reading out there relative to Putin and his ubiquitous challenge for our intel agencies. Tell me all about that reference to uranium. I'd be quite interested in knowing how and who wrapped your head around that story....Brietbart? LMAO.

BTW: Don't fret about my happiness. I'm comfortably retired, still rock n roll as a drummer, and can crack six minutes for a mile. Caring about humanity and the roll truth plays in the proper functioning of representative government does not equate to unhappiness at all. Do something for yourself....crack a beer and you tube the Messer Chups. Exactly my kind of band..talented Russians!

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HotCoffee 38 weeks 4 days ago
#49

2950

Messer Chups - Magneto - The Open Stage Berlin

Kinda of reminds me of opening theme to the twlight zone....not bad.

If you noticed I mentioned the bad guys have been around since the 1st Pharo.

That leaves many years for one of them to get it right. 8 yrs for Obama, 8 years for Clintons to shut down the wars, win the war on hunger, poverty et al. Hence my position that both sides are responsible. Soros for greed & power on one side, Koch bro's for greed & power on the other.

Remember the war on poverty? The Kennedy's? That was my democratic party..what happened? Well I think the clintons happened. Also if you recall, there was some P grabbing going on in Kennedy's day also.

Therfore what good does it do to rile people up to the point they start talking about creating a civil war. What purpose or more to the point who's purpose does that serve?

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HotCoffee 38 weeks 4 days ago
#50

Part of a book review by Garry Kasparov ...Winter Is Coming: Why Vladimir Putin and the Enemies of the Free World Must Be Stopped.

"According to author Garry Kasparov Western appeasers with names like Bush, Merkel, Major, Clinton, Chirac, Obama, Schroder, Berlusconi, Sarkozy have been playing ball with Russian President Vladimir Putin for 15 years now. During the term of his predecessor Boris Yeltsin there had been a short window of opportunity to introduce democratic reforms to Russia and Yeltsin’s efforts met with limited success. Unfortunately, aided and abetted by the aforementioned Western leaders Vladimir Putin has reversed course since 2000 and has fashioned a KGB police state with far-reaching consequences for his own country and for the rest of humanity. Kasparov lays out precisely how we got here from there in his hard-hitting new book “Winter Is Coming: Why Vladimir Putin and the Enemies of the Free World must be Stopped”. This is easily one of the most important books I have read recently." by Paul Tognetti (above)

Yes, there is a lot of history and names I didn't know - but the point is "what" is happening - "how" it is happening, and "why"
I happened to order this book recently - before the information about Putins involvement in the American election. Good timing. I have always been fearful and concerned about Putin - especially since his submarine war games with Venzeuela in 2008 - scheduled to be in the Gulf of Mexico - and conflicts with Putin over the ownership of the arctic - since it is beginning to melt.

more @

https://www.amazon.com/Winter-Coming-Vladimir-Enemies-Stopped/dp/1610397...

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