The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018

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deepspace 11 weeks 2 days ago
#1

No, it doesn't. What sets a really bad precedent is to make a rush job out of a deliberative process that was wholly intended to be as thorough as humanly possible, especially after serious allegations surface. Dr. Blasey should not be considered a mere "hiccup." (ATTN: Women of Nevada. Republican senator Dean Heller is up for reelection. Vote this bum out!)

BTW, do you ever take a moment to ponder what you say before you say it? You arbitrarily seek sympathy for the feelings and predicament of the alleged perp; yet, you freely cast aspersions on the alleged victim without any regard for her feelings. Can you imagine having gone through such a traumatic, desperately unwanted, horribly memorable experience only to have it dismissed as your own fault? Why is your empathy only one-sided? Oh yeah, you're CON-servative.

Blaming the victim is the worst defense imaginable. WTF is wrong with you? "Oh piffle, it was a long time ago and she's too stupid to remember it right and obviously must be mistaken. Oh yeah, and no doubt she was drunk and asked for it." (So, you were in that room too?) How would you feel, Kend, if someone said something like that about you "under the same circumstances"? What happened to you doesn't matter and nobody cares and you're lying anyway. Now go away, bitch.

"Presume" is the wrong word; you're looking for "suspect." Whenever an allegation of this magnitude is presented, anyone with a brain must of course suspect the accused. That's the whole point of an accusation and a justice system to resolve it. However, under our principles of justice, that suspicion must be tempered with a presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I think most people on all sides agree with that, notwithstanding the fiery-eyed true believers of their own bullsh*t. Your insinuation otherwise is disingenuous. But to keep it real, vetting for a qualified justice is about assessing character as much as it is about adjudicating any purported legal exposure.

The "many" who should scare you are those who advocate not to have a proper and impartial FBI investigation before the hearing. For someone to be awarded for life one of the most exalted pedestals in the great hallways of American justice, the American people deserve to have confidence the process is being conducted fairly for all involved, including Kavanaugh. If he is truly innocent, shouldn't he be the first to call for a thorough investigation to clear his name, so that he won't have a dark cloud hanging over his every decision like Clarence Thomas does? Conducting a quick and dirty hearing that smacks of a witch trial is an unprecedented breach of acceptable standards and one more step toward fascism.

All the issues and concerns that you Trump trolls have brought up is the very reason the FBI needs to step in and try to sort it all out in a professional manner that is on record. As I've said before, all your counterpoints and questions unwittingly make my point: Call for the f*cking investigation! It's in the best interests of Kavanaugh, Dr. Blasey, and the American people. Why is that so goddamn hard to understand, for chrissake?!

Kend, you recently posted that you've been coming to this blog for 10 years in a good faith effort to understand the Democratic/progressive/liberal/whatever mindset. Then you basically concluded that in all that time you haven't learned a damn thing and are no closer to an understanding. I agree.

Legend 11 weeks 2 days ago
#2

Kend, Who has replied that he is guilty. We want to hear her side. Unfortunately this was not done effeciently with Clarance Thomas. A monster of a SC Justice. Why rush an appointment for life??????? Especially at 51%.

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Kend 11 weeks 2 days ago
#3

Deep. I agree with you there should be an investigation. The Dr. Said she doesn't even remember what year it happened. All I am saying is we should hear both sides of the story before we make a judgement. Americans as everyone in the world should be considered innocent until proven guilty. I say this because years ago I almost lost a job because someone gave my plate number to the police from my company truck and suggested I was involved in a crime, lucky for me I could prove I was no where near the place it happened. Just saying maybe the Dr mistakenly thinks it's him or something. Lets wait to here from her before we hang the judge.

Coalage3 11 weeks 1 day ago
#4

According to Drudge, now there is another alleged accuser. I'm shocked I tell you, just shocked.

Now that the Ford accusation wasn't going exactly as planned, the facist dems have to come up with a backup. And supposedly, the woman is a Never Trumper. I'm shocked I tell you. And meanwhile, anybody heard any news about Keith Ellison?

This sounds like the Mueller investigation. No collusion, who cares? We'll just keep the wheels of injustice grinding anyway.

The facist dems really are disgusting.

Coalage3 11 weeks 1 day ago
#5

From the NYT: www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-testify.html

Excerpts:

Judge Kavanaugh’s prospects were further clouded on Sunday when The New Yorker reported on a new allegation of sexual impropriety: A woman who went to Yale with Judge Kavanaugh said that, during a drunken dormitory party their freshman year, he exposed himself to her, thrust his penis into her face and caused her to touch it without her consent.In a statement, Judge Kavanaugh denied the allegation from the woman, Deborah Ramirez, and called it “a smear, plain and simple.” The New Yorker did not confirm with other eyewitnesses that Judge Kavanaugh was at the party.The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ms. Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and told some of them that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself.

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keynan 11 weeks 1 day ago
#6

yes he does obat penyakit prostat,,,

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#7

Kend: Great, we're in agreement!

The Federal Bureau of Investigation should investigate any and all sexual predation accusations (or any other questionable issues) lodged against United States Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, Brett Michael Kavanaugh. Additionally, this investigation should take place before the Senate Judiciary Committee votes (if not, certainly before the full senate votes) on his lifetime appointment as Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States of America, in the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and Eighteen.

Now for action: I don't know if you have dual citizenship and are a constituent who votes; if so, call your senator as soon as possible and demand that Senators Chuck Grassley and Mitch McConnell also abide by the above agreement, instead of bullying the good doctor and trying to highball the process without a proper vetting.

Coalage3: You on board, kid? Or do you have to consult Matt Drudge first? (Face palm.)

Coalage3 11 weeks 1 day ago
#8

Investigate what? An accusation is not evidence. At least not in the real world, but maybe in the bizarro world of progressive/liberal/facist democratic fantasies. If it did happen, it should have been reported many years ago. Even the Professor doesn't know when, where, or who was there. I'm not sure the FBI even has jurisdiction. Kavanaugh has already been vetted/investigated on at least three separate occasions. Even the slightest hint of impropriety would have come up during those vettings. But nothing did (as far as we know)...why is that?

Now you have the democratic presidential nominee for 2020 saying he has evidence that Kavanaugh was drugging women for sexual favors. And he really thinks anybody with a brain actually believes him? What???

This has gone beyond ridiculous. Do you believe over 100 women and men who have worked and known him for years (including his school time) and have testifed to his exemplary behavior, or do you believe someone who just now speaks up when he is about to be appointed to the SC? Might fishy...and it certainly stinks.

The fact remains...Kavanaugh is a first class judge with an excellent academic and work background. Like I said earlier. The dems don't care diddly squat about this professor. She is a just a means to an end. And that is to stop Trump from being able to appoint another SC judge. Just like the Nazis, the dems will attempt to do whatever it takes to reach that goal.

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#9

Blassey gate continues....................

By Peter Baker

  • Sept. 23, 2018

WASHINGTON — Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh has calendars from the summer of 1982 that he plans to hand over to the Senate Judiciary Committee that do not show a party consistent with the description of his accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, according to someone working for his confirmation.

The calendar pages from June, July and August 1982, which were examined by The New York Times, show that Judge Kavanaugh was out of town much of the summer at the beach or away with his parents. When he was at home, the calendars list his basketball games, movie outings, football workouts and college interviews. A few parties are mentioned but include names of friends other than those identified by Dr. Blasey.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/kavanaugh-senate-calendar.html Roddy Rosenstein may being having a bad week as well.Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to meet with Trump Thursday with his fate uncertain

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/09/24/rod-rosenstein-d...


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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#10

Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses. --Plato

Advisor to Kavanaugh’s accuser was caught on audio in July predicting a coming plot to destroy nomination

by Frieda Powers
A Democratic operative and former Clinton White House official who is now an advisor to Brett Kavanaugh’s accuser predicted a “strategy” to defeat the US Supreme Court nominee months ago.

Ricki Seidman spoke about a plot to take down Kavanaugh in a conference call with the American Constitution Society in July, suggesting a “strategy will emerge” that would destroy the nomination of President Donald Trump’s Supreme Court pick.

“I do think that over the coming days and weeks there will be a strategy that will emerge, and I think it’s possible that strategy might ultimately defeat the nominee,” Seidman said in audio that was recorded by the Republican National Committee’s War Room. “And whether or not it ultimately defeats the nominee it will, I think, help people understand why it’s so important that they vote.”

The timing of the call in the audio coincides with Ford’s delivery of a letter to Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein in July alleging the assault by Kavanaugh Seidman, who advised Anita Hill to testify against Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas in 1991, has also had a long history working with Democrats.

According to her bio at TSD Communications where she is a senior principal, Seidman “took a leave of absence in 2008 to work for President Obama’s general election campaign, serving as Vice President Joe Biden’s communications director. In the spring and summer of 2009, she assisted the White House in the successful confirmation effort for President Obama’s first nominee to the Supreme Court, Sonia Sotomayor.”

During the Clinton Administration, she served as White House Deputy Communications Director, Counselor to the Chief of Staff, and Director of Scheduling and Advance for the President as well as later serving as Deputy Associate Attorney General in the Department of Justice.
Seidman “cut her teeth running attack ads against Robert Bork, a nomination that was eventually derailed. She then moved to Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy’s office, where she was instrumental in convincing Anita Hill to go public with her claim that Clarence Thomas sexually harassed her,” The Daily Caller reported.

Democrats may deny there is a plot to destroy Kavanaugh’s nomination – and his reputation in the process – but the audio clip reveals the real strategies as Seidman is now advising Ford in the political smear campaign.

“This feels more like a Democratic super PAC than a legal effort to get at the truth,” a senior Republican official told Politico.

https://observernew.blogspot.com/2018/09/advisor-to-kavanaughs-accuser-w...

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#11

Isn't Blasey a Social psychologist?

Well what is that exactly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_psychology

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#12

Age3: Thanks for your astute contribution. Uh huh... "Just like the Nazis, the dems..."

What's more like the Nazis is how Grassley conspired with seasoned W. Bush lawyers to scrub Kavanaugh's record as Staff Secretary for the White House -- a most powerful position -- between 2003 and 2006. Of particular concern is his involvement with regards to some of the most momentous decisions The Village Idiot Decider decided, such as warrantless wiretapping, the treatment of detainees, and:

"Those three years were chock-full of controversial issues. Bush signed a partial-birth abortion ban, sought a same-sex marriage ban, expanded Medicare, opposed euthanasia and stem cell research, and failed to partially privatize Social Security or create a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

Throughout those years, the administration defended its "enhanced interrogation" of detainees in the war against terrorism; Kavanaugh denied any involvement in the debate over torture during his confirmation hearings for the appeals court. Hurricane Katrina struck in August 2005. A week later, Chief Justice William Rehnquist died."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/08/15/supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaugh-white-house-role-black-hole/982140002/

So if he "denied any involvement in the debate over torture," then why not release the records to prove it -- and all other relevant and pertinent documents that could speak to the good judge's good judgment during his time in the breech of critical decision-making at the pinnacle of power, affecting lives in the hundreds of millions for many decades to come?

HotCoffee: His skimpy calendars don't prove a damn thing as far as mitigating evidence, since he also admitted that he didn't write everything down.

"Dear Diary: Gonna get really sh*t-faced tonight and rape one of those sweet teens hangin' at the parties, the younger the better. Dear Diary: (next morning) I hate it when they wear one-piece bathing suits!"

To allay your deeply felt concerns, then, are you on board for demanding a further FBI background investigation before the Senate confirmation vote takes place? Call your senator now!

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#13

"If my dear friend Donald Trump ever decided to sacrifice his fabulous billionaire lifestyle to become President, he would be an unstoppable force for ULTIMATE JUSTICE that Democrats and Republicans alike, would celebrate." John F. Kennedy, Jr. George Magazine, 1999.

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#14

DS,

I'm fine with an investigation, although it would only take about 20 minutes. There have been 6 of them so far. I'm not fine with the games taking until Dec. 2020 as is planned by the Dems. especially if they lose the mid terms.

As many have already tried to point out, to investigate something you need at least one of these....a time, a place, a victim that can remember SOMETHING besides she wants to stop him from being a SCJ, and witness that was actually there , of which Blassey has none of the above. All of her wittnesses have said there was no party they can remember, are they al lying too?

Hard to believe Blaseys repressed memory revived by her therapist is the only true , honest and real memory.

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#15

Well, HotCakes, what a ridiculous and worthless opinion to have in 1999, in light of how things turned out in 20018 --and from a Democrat no less. How shocking! Wouldn't you agree?

Okay now, listen carefully: After counting to three, I'll clap my hands and you'll wake up in present-day reality.

One, two, three ... CLAP !

Reality beckons:

https://www.yesmagazine.org/peace-justice/mental-health-experts-say-trump-is-dangerous-20180910

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#16

@ #14:

There is one thing that you have established quite well: You certainly are no genius chief inspector. Everything you laid out are the amateurish insights of a wannabe sleuth pretending to know how to do the FBI's job. FYI: The FBI does this stuff all the time, like swatting flies, and they're very good at it. So please, ma'am, just sit down, drink your coffee, and let the pros handle this one. Meanwhile, try to work on not believing Trump's lies. It shows.

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#17

Well yes, I guess he is dangerous to the dems HUGE lies! Thought you would like the Huge part!!

Unlike some folks I don't follow the party line, just look for the truth.

Take a step up and join me DS. the air is cleaner up here. And my coffee doen't give you a hangover and cloud your thinking.

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#18

Stay the ef away, leper! Whatever's in the water in your part of the woods, I won't nothin' to do with.

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#19

"The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to SECRET SOCIETIES, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment." JFK
No worries DS I don't hang in swamps!

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#20

So call your senator and demand an FBI investigation into all the secrecy surrounding Kavanaugh's key government gigs. That's their job; yours is to demand that senators do theirs.

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#21

No need,

that would be Di Fi,

and you would be suprised at the people I know that know her very well + my own experiences with her.

What was that DT read about the snake, you knew I was a snake when you took me in.

Fits Di Fi perfectly.

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#22

So you agree. Call the FBI. Yeah for Diane (not Chelsea)!

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#23

????Chelsea?????

Must be sipping the wiskey already.

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#24

For DianeR & Coalage

List of companies offering benefits due to the Trump and GOP Tax cutsThe list is over 500 companies that are giving bonuses, raises, increased 401K and utility rate reductions due to the Republican and Trump Tax Cuts! http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2018/09/kaboom-list-of-companies-offering.html

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#25

Thanks for asking, HotCakes, but I only drink a dram or two of a good single malt rarely on very special occasions. After swatting at you buzzing around like a hungry mosquito, this might be one of them.

I thought you knew: "Diane Reynolds" is an alias that Chelsea Clinton used for awhile traveling around, booking hotels, etc. It was just a little dig at your sister troll, who hacks up half-digested fur-balls now and then, like you do.

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#26

SWAT ! Damn, missed again,

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#27

Actually, I can't take credit for that gem. Now back to the kitchen, woman.

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#28

DS,

Nope, I didn't keep track of your re-names for folks...sorry.

Well see how wrong you can be...I'm calmly waiting for loaves of bread to finnish baking, enjoying coffee and dinners cooking.

Life is good!

All while you chase immaginary mosquitos!

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#29

Was that a sexist remark????? Call the FBI in 36 years and hang that horse....LOL

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#30

You're too easy..}:--))

Hey, HotCakes, your buns are burning!

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#31

Breads doing just fine...thanks

#LiberalLogic101: 'Every Woman Has The Right To Be Believed': Except Those Raped By Bill Clinton, Beaten By Keith Ellison, Groped By Cory Booker Or Killed By Ted Kennedy

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#32

CLAP ! Back to present-day reality.

If you think what all those dem dudes did was so criminal and immoral, then you should be equally disgusted and outraged that a potential sexual predator and felony liar is about to be placed on the Supreme Court without a deeper, more comprehensive background check. There's plenty of time when you take away the crass political calculations of the Republican Senate leadership. After all, Bitch McTurtle refused to allow a hearing for Merrick Garland -- the very judge he initially recommended! -- for eleven months. Scalia's seat was vacant for fourteen months as a result. What's the big hurry now?

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 1 day ago
#33

No time limit...

She won't fly so....

She can take a covered wagon in a handmaiden's outfit and sing Hellen Reddy's I am woman to her Husband all the way there for all I care. :)

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deepspace 11 weeks 1 day ago
#34

I didn't mean the timing of Grassley's little upcoming witch trial of the good doctor. Leadership was whining that a "goddamn FBI investigation" will take too long, and that this once-in-a-lifetime vote has to happen right efing NOW before the Republicans get killed in November, losing the House, possibly even the Senate. They need to wrap up business and get back home to campaign, lickity split, chop-chop, MAGA-MAGA-MAGA!

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 23 hours ago
#35

It would suit me just fine if Blasey takes months....its the FISA, McCabe, Clapper, Brennen stuff that they are using Blasey to stall that I would like to see.

Kavanaugh might want to get it over with though so his children & wife could be done with this crap. Funny how if you didn't do it you're in a hurry, but if you BS you stall!

No dective work needed ...it's just human nature.

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deepspace 11 weeks 22 hours ago
#36

Funny how if you're lying, you don't want an FBI investigation; if you're not, you do. Now who's calling for one?

"...It's the FISA, McCabe, Clapper, Brennen stuff ... that I would like to see." --HotCake channeling Donald Trump, the obstructor of justice.

You know, the deep-state conspiracy of aliens and lizard people out to get him. Witch hunt; no collusion, fake news. Everyone is always picking on poor lil' me, the greatest president ever! Look here, there, everywhere, but whatever you do, "don't believe what you hear or read. Believe me." -- Donald Trump channeling George Orwell.

Again:

https://www.yesmagazine.org/peace-justice/mental-health-experts-say-trump-is-dangerous-20180910

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 22 hours ago
#37

So you want the Blasey stuff out there....someday, but not the FISA stuff??? I wonder why.

A psycologist that needs a therapist to conguer up 36 year old memories no one else remembers....and now she wants the resume of the Atty that will question her. Whats next her own pumpkin carriage and a promise to be back home by midnight? Her husband must be a saint, a fool or maybe being paid $$$$ to put up with this crap.

So lets assume for a minute it happened, anyone who was a teenager at the time will tell you it was a common experience putting up with drunk boys trying to fiqure out what they could get away with.

So lets compare that with Elizabeth Smart who WAS at 15 years old kidnapped and raped many times, bearing 2 children, and the mature way she has handled all of it, including the recent release of the woman that assisted it. And then Blasey a Dr.of phycology that is so tramatised 36 years later???

FISA is well documented, 18+ mos of a shifting goal post. What happened to Russia Russia Russia. Where are the rights of the people to see the evidence just like Blaseys rights.

Excuse me, who are the lizard people?

And you call me easy.

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deepspace 11 weeks 20 hours ago
#38

There ya go again, HotCake, posing not only as a hotshot investigator but now, as a hot-mama psychiatrist whose got all the answers for troubled teens.

"Security! Perp on page 2 wearing a lab coat, stethoscope, and weirdly, an FBI baseball cap ...and watch out; she's hot ...like spilled coffee."

BTW, it's not a matter of either/or, Blasey or FISA . That's a false dichotomy you pulled out of your ..."whatever." And it's a lie that I don't want the FISA stuff out there. ("Stuff" is a most appropriate word for such a load of crap.) In fact, the more the better to prove that there is no such thing as a so-called "deep state" conspiracy against the paranoid Boy King. All his troubles are of his own making and no one else's.

And, if you lie so easily about what I say, how can you sit in judgment of a real doctor's veracity?

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deepspace 11 weeks 20 hours ago
#39

Lizard people? Seriously?

Whoa, you are way behind the curve there, granny! If you're going to be a good conspiracy theorist worth your chicken bones, you had better bone up, troll:

"According to British conspiracy theorist David Icke, tall, blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoids from the Alpha Draconis star system, now hiding in underground bases, are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy against humanity.[16] He contends that most of the world's ancient and modern leaders are related to these reptilians, including the Merovingian dynasty, the Rothschilds, the Bush family and the British Royal family.[17] Icke's conspiracy theories now have supporters in up to 47 countries and he has given lectures to crowds of up to 6,000.[18][19] American writer Vicki Santillano included it in her list of the 10 most popular conspiracy theories, describing it as the "wackiest theory" she had encountered.[20]

A poll of Americans in 2013 by Public Policy Polling indicated that 4% of registered voters (±2.8%) believed in David Icke's ideas.[21]"

And you can wager a pretty safe bet that they all watch Fux News, vote Republican, and don't wash their hands after picking their butts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 19 hours ago
#40

"And, if you lie so easily about what I say, how can you sit in judgment of a real doctor's veracity?"

When did I lie about you? That is unless you can't tell the difference between an exclamation point and a few question marks. Also I did not sit in judgement of the DR. I gave my opinion, observations and comparisons there is a difference.

It's plain to anyone who looks and wants to see the dems and her atty don't want Blasey to have a hearing ( until dems are in office, but then it won't be needed anymore will it?) or the FISA released....everyone else is more than ready.

Geez isn't there enough to deal with without David Ike, his lizard people and shape shifters I'll leave that for you and George Noory since thats the last place I heard about him...until you brought him up. I Never go to his site or conventions but enjoy if thats your thing.

Now that you mention it I've read that Hillary & Gillibrand are part of that coven! Who knows? And I really don't watch to see who's butt picking but keep me informed if you must!

I notice you & Tump actually have a trait in common, you both like to assign names to people you hope will bother them...:) too funny! Maybe it's an Irish, Scottish thing. Now before you get all in a huff I said maybe!

nuff for now... sweet dreams!

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deepspace 11 weeks 18 hours ago
#41

Now you're lying about lying, or perhaps just too tired after dinner to think straight.

"So you want the Blasey stuff out there....someday, but not the FISA stuff??? I wonder why." --HC

When did I ever suggest that???

And when did I ever suggest that wild conspiracy-theory fantasy was my thing? That's the purview of Trump Republicans who swallow his crazy juice.

And yes, you did sit in unfair judgment of Dr. Blasey -- all through this thread. Call it "opinion" or whatever, but don't expect mere semantics to deflect from what clearly slips through the words.

You're becoming more and more like Dear Leader -- can't keep track of the avalanche of falsehoods, which are the primary elements that make up the right-wing universe.

Good luck with that nightmare ...and happy trails.

Coalage3 11 weeks 14 hours ago
#42

The fact is that the allegation will never be proven one way or the other. They can keep trotting out these supposed victims, but there is no proof. And as we all know, accusations are not evidence. Now the Farrow article is dying a merciful death, as it should.

It comes down to this. If you lean right, you will most likely support Cavanaugh. If you lean to the left, you will not support him. This ain't rocket science. Problem for the left is that the repubs have the votes to confirm him.

Let us all welcome the next SC judge, Brett Kavanaugh.

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Dianereynolds 11 weeks 7 hours ago
#43

Hi HotCoffee, I hope you are well. Glad your fires are down but best to keep the leftie/socialists out of your woods. Lot's of them running around with their hair on fire and tinfoil and flaming hair don't mix.

Don't get too bound up over Kavanaugh. I am of the opinion he would be better off on the bench where he now resides. He will see many times more cases than he ever would on the SC and he can extract his revenge slowly but effectively over the next 30 years and attract little attention doing so.

This gives President Trump the option of picking Amy Coney Barrett who makes Kavanaugh look like a leftie. It will be fun watching the Democrat party look through her past lovers for dirt in an attempt to destroy her life.

Play well and see you at the turn.

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HotCoffee 11 weeks 7 hours ago
#44

Good afternoon DianeR,

All's well here, not worried at all, just had some extra time yesterday to banter with DS. Not taking things seriously. The truth will eventually come out.

You make good points on the judgeship. I don't think Blasey will show up anyway....if you roll out the red carpet for her she won't like the color. LOL.

4 years of very close fires is more than enough, but I'm feeling sorry for the victms of Florence and the gas explosions now, and the fact that this crap blew them right out of the news cycle.

Hope alls well on your piece of the planet.

Enjoy the day!

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vetinla 10 weeks 6 days ago
#45

Why doesn't Ms Ford challenge Cavanaugh to take a poly-graph? I heard she's already

taken one and passed. Perception is everything. Bet you he'd refuse.

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deepspace 10 weeks 6 days ago
#46

Age3: "This ain't rocket science." Good thing for you, eh?

Hey, Inspector Clouseau, who exactly are the "they" conspirators doing the "trotting out": the evil Democratic Party; the wicked Clinton cabal; the wily George Soros and his insidious empire; the shadowy, omnipresent "deep state" lurking just below the surface; the little worms eating holes in your brain?

Now how does this work again? They have binders of women all ready to go behind the curtains, dirty-tricksters for hire in soccer-mom costumes waiting for their cue to parade onto the world stage and ruin the lives of Republican men who dare to gain power? Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't that one of Bill Clinton's initial defenses, except as a powerful Democrat? And didn't the pussy grabber also declare his 19 accusers all liars and part of a Democratic plot? Of course he did.

Now what are we suppose to believe? They have submissive female undercover operatives who don't mind being trotted about by their handlers and are pathological enough to put themselves, husbands, and kids in harm's way, permanently disrupting everyone's lives, including a respected judge and his shell-shocked family? If she's not living a double life as a deeply-imbedded secret agent for some vast conspiracy network, why would an otherwise intelligent, highly educated, highly successful professional woman, wife, and mother do that? For 15 minutes of fame and glory in the hot seat, and then splashy TV appearances and book deals galore?

Whew! Impressive. A deep-state conspiracy theory ranking right up there in wack-job charts with the whole Lizard People thing.

One of the principal reasons, out of many, why sexual/physical assault and rape are the number one unreported crimes is succinctly laid out in your post, although your point was different. It's an exercise in futility to come forward and relive the trauma and pain if no one in or out of the system can actually help without making things worse. It's so hard to prove or to be believed anyway, so why bother trying to get the truth out, why scratch open the wound when failure is statistically a foregone conclusion?

Most women who experience assault suffer PTSD, guilt, shame, betrayal, fear, anger all balled up into a black hole that threatens to suck them in at any moment. Carrying around that heavy emotional baggage is hard enough; then, they must endure the judgments and sideway glances of family, friends, fellow workers, and those in positions of power (mostly men) who can ruin their careers and reputations.

Our wives, mothers, daughters, and sisters grew up in an extreme peer-pressure culture with a media and justice system that either doesn't believe them or doesn't care and is ready to lay blame on the victim, how they dressed, if they were drinking, if they smiled at the wrong person at the wrong time, on and on -- much about her, not much about him, because, you know, boys will be boys. It takes a helluva lot of guts to sit before a high and mighty star chamber empaneled with a majority of skeptical, stern-faced old men, under the glare of klieg lights, facing a wall of blinking cameras, and bare one's soul and deepest pain.

Excellent deduction, Sherlock! Of course you'll get your religious/corporate zealot on the court. If not Kavanaugh then it'll be some other far-right whackjob on the corporate-friendly/anti-worker list, which was spoonfed to the big orange Baby Blimp by the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation, two long-established, billionaire-funded, highly partisan, Republican propaganda organizations, euphemistically referred to as "think" tanks. They're part of the real deep state that operates mostly right out in the open, as they never fail to underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate.

This time though, Republican strategists, egged on by Trump's Mussolini-like glare, definitely underestimated the intelligence -- and will -- of the American women. These are the theys who hold the biggest voting bloc nationwide, and they're totally fed up with the constant stream of lies and chaos erupting from the Trump/Republican dysfunctional marriage. These are the theys who are paying very close attention to the misogyny, bigotry, anti-family policies, war profiteering, and all the other Big Money tax giveaways and regulation givebacks that are leaving the little people in the dust, breathing, drinking, eating pollution with little or no way to pay for access to comprehensive healthcare and higher education -- standard benefits of living in an advanced society that most people in the rest of the developed world take for granted.

More and more victims of Republican policies over the decades -- women and men, young and old -- also are resigned to push retirement off later and later until they scratch it off their bucket list altogether. Increasing anger, resentment, and desperation tend to motivate large segments of the population into taking action. This will not turn out well for the party of the rich.

So don't get too cocky, son. You may applaud another step toward fascism, because Republican corporatists for the moment have their votes (barely), but will how they vote ultimately hurt their prospects this November and in 2020? If Republicans in the Senate fail to take these women's claims seriously and railroad this process through without proper investigation and accountability, the blue wave will be largely female, across all demographics, and will be crashing onto the doors of the Senate after sweeping through the House in 2018 and 2020. People tend not to forget the pain of being sexually assaulted ...or stabbed in the back.

Murkowski, Collins, and red-state Democrats have that inconvenient truth to face:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/lisa-murkowski-fbi-investigation-into-kavanaugh-allegations-would-sure-clear-up-all-the-questions-wouldnt-it?utm_source=msn&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=msn_feed

Coalage3 10 weeks 6 days ago
#47

You have it backwards, as usual. The facists in this country are the democrats and their minions. As the saying goes, the proof is in the pudding. How often do you practice your goose stepping?

The fact is that the dems don't care at all about Ford. If they really and truly "cared" about her, the letter would have been released to the committee in July or early August. Feinstein purposely sat on it to disrupt the vote. Or maybe she was waiting on her Chinese spy friends to give her permission. And by the way, how come you lefties are not enraged by her collusion with the Chinese?

The left has to resort to every dirty trick they can think of because a conservative majority on the SC would put an end to the liberal rule by judicial fiat. The liberal agenda cannot be passed by popular vote in the states. So they have relied on the liberal SC justices to impose their will on the american public. The elevation of Kavanaugh to the SC most likely puts an end to that.

I don't blame the left for being so upset. I just wish they had the honesty to really admit why they oppose his nomination, and quit lying to the people (fat chance).

Coalage3 10 weeks 6 days ago
#48

And now, the demcratic nominee for president in 2020 (that kind of tells you where his motivation lies) comes out with more stuff. Gang rapes and wild parties on numerous occasions. I'm just shocked I tell you. And as with the other accusations there are no witnessess, no names of the actual rapists. And of course no corroboration of any kind. And 6 previous FBI vettings turn up none of this activity, and no one (parents, police, teachers, friends, etc) can verify.

This one smells worse than limberger cheese locked in the trunk of a hot car for a couple of weeks.

I don't understand why Trump doesn't just go ahead and do what every decent american citizen really wants. He should pull the Kavanaugh nomination and appoint Judge Judy.

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HotCoffee 10 weeks 6 days ago
#49

Flip Flop!

Here's What Biden Thought About Using An 'FBI Report' To Clear Clarence Thomas

Then-Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) said during the confirmation hearings of Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas in 1991 that FBI reports were useless because the "FBI explicitly does not, in this or any other case reach a conclusion, period."

The clip has resurfaced as Senate Democrats are desperately trying to delay the confirmation vote for current Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh after allegations of sexual misconduct were recently made from over 30 years ago — without evidence or corroborating witnesses.

"The reason why I have worked so hard to keep FBI reports totally secret is because they have little or no probative weight, because they are hearsay," Biden said. "The FBI does their interviews by walking up to person A and saying will you speak to us, and the guarantee is anonymity. That is what the FBI tells the person, and the FBI speaks to the person. Now, for us to summarily go back and say, as a matter of policy, that we are going to break the commitment the Federal Government makes to an individual, in order to get that individual to cooperate in an investigation, is disastrous."

"And the last thing I will point out, the next person who refers to an FBI report as being worth anything, obviously doesn't understand anything," Biden later said. "FBI explicitly does not, in this or any other case reach a conclusion, period, period. So, Judge, there is no reason why you should know this. The reason why we cannot rely on the FBI report, you would not like it if we did because it is inconclusive. They say he said, she said, and they said, period. So when people wave an FBI report before you, understand they do not, they do not reach conclusions. They do not make, as my friend points out more accurately, they do not make recommendations."

​WATCH:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/36317/heres-what-biden-thought-about-using-fbi-report-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=051717-news&utm_campaign=dwtwitter

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HotCoffee 10 weeks 6 days ago
#50

Swetnick, the newest accuser of Kavanaugh, is a very bad person

Either she's lying and thereby discrediting women who have really been raped or because she says she attended multiple parties where she knew women were being gang raped and did nothing she's monstrously evil.

Knowing that your friends are being raped and doing nothing is not like being raped yourself and not coming forward. Essentially if Swetnick is not lying then she's an accomplice in serial gang rapes.

Note that even if she's not lying nothing she says shows any direct evidence of Kavanaugh himself raping anyone. Her claim is that she saw him in line but in a small house crowded with partiers his being near does not mean he was in the line. But note that what Swetnick is saying is that she new one of her friends was being gang raped in a room and she did nothing about it. How likely is that?

also Internally in the statement, she claims she was raped in 1982. She attended parties between 1981 and 1983.

You were raped... and then kept going to parties for another year?

Also, she was born in 1963 if she's 55. That means she started going to these parties at 18, was raped at 19 (when Brett was only 17, so really she raped him) and didn't stop going to high school parties until she was 20.

Also, her resume says she graduated HS in 1980 and then went to University of Maryland. NO ONE is going from College Park back to Georgetown to go to a HIGH SCHOOL KEGGER -- especially since the legal drinking age was 18 before 1984, and she could drink all the wanted at College Park or at actual DC nightclubs.

The timeline kills her. She was just too old for HS keggers.

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