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Perhaps the closest comparison I can make to putting a Muslim Community Center near Ground Zero, would be putting a planned parenthood center across the street from an abortion clinic, then present the planned parenthood ambiguously so that some women seeking an abortion enter the planned parenthood facility instead and get a ton of anti-abortion pressure. I think the right wing conservatives could identify the similarities, and we could then step back and watch their heads explode as they try to reason why one is insensitive and is a religion attacking innocent people and the other is a Mosque.
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@THOM!!!!!
Are you saying that Osama bin Laden will be Newt Gingrich’s next wife? The serial wife-recycler is known for marrying whoever he is bedding behind his current wife’s back and if he is in bed with Osama . . .
I like what David said (it's too long for a bumper sticker but...) "Oppose Foreign-Owned eXtremist News!" I wonder if that's a bit cryptic though.
Obama should stick to his principals. There is no reasoning or debating with these right wing idiots, because they only REACT to their fear and anxieties. they are not capable of intellectual thinking or using logic. of course they are going to trash Obama for standing up for the right of the Muslims to practice their religion and their right to build a Mosque on private property. they would also trash him if he OPPOSED the Mosque. doesn't he get it? if Obama cured cancer the right would trash him for taking away business from physicians and drug companies.
the right will hate him no matter what he does. so he needs to stand up, look them in the eye, do what is right and WELCOME THEIR HATE.
I know this is off topic, but is anyone here heard of Bill HR 875, The Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009. A friend of mine was talking about it yesterday, and all I can find on it is a lot of right wingers claiming that it will make growing food in your backyard illegal. The most interesting thing I find in the commentary is that they point out that the Democratic congresswomen that introduced the bill is the wife of a Monsanto exec. It seems that one of two things are happening here, either these commentators have progressive mind sets and think that the conservative party is some sort of protector of the common man, or they are playing to the fears of people and are using the bogyman to get their support. Anyway, I'm researching this stuff online (can't even tell if the Bill passed or not yet), but thought I'd ask all the well informed bloggers here if they knew anything about it. (Wish foodfacsist was on today).
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Unregulated growth is the economic equal to cancer.
Does that mean the Mosque in the Pentagon must be gone too?
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/05/muslims_infiltrat...
@Maxrot #29: The Ludlow massacre was in 1914. The strikers cheered when they saw the National Guard coming. It wasn't what they expected - the mine company goons and the National Guard shot into the tent city set up by strikers. Men, women, children - if it moved, it was a target.
@ Jeanie RE "Thom should ask rightwing callers if we should put the stoppers on Christian churches whenever Christians blow up women's health centers or abortion clinics. Christians commit violence in the name of Jesus Christ, but it's not popular to condemn Christianity or to not allow them to build yet another church wherever they want.":
Sooth spoken.
When we talk about sacred ground, what about Native American sacred ground that we build on top of? Didn't we also build our base in Iraq on holy ground and laugh at the Muslims for being outraged at that? Why do we think we can have it both ways? And an EXCELLENT point by Thom about strip clubs and tattoo parlors in the vicinity with absolutely no outrage by the Right.
I was wondering if anyone asked if all of Gibb's crying about the evil liberals has watered-down his drinks?
I wish Obama and his advisors would stop watching Fox news. I thought they didn't like cable news? Anyway, I also wish Obama would just have quoted from constitution regarding the Mosque and leave it at that. Something like, "if you are truly believe in the constitution, then the constitution's first amendment says, etc etc."
rladlof, I wondered if you thought it was a mosque or not. You tend to beat around the bush a lot.
It's more disappointing to those like you and I who who assume the good intentions of the center than it even being close to a cave. He defended their right to build there in both instances. Sure it may not be a shinning endorsement or out right slam to the intentions of the center, but it is consistent. You almost always a fair guy, but in this instance I worry you may be proving Gibbs right.
WHAT?!?!? President Obama?!?!? Not standing up for principles?!?!? Who woulda thunk it? . . . Standard Operating Procedure for our great DLC President.
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President Obama is NOT a liberal.
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It is a Community Center.
I think you are missing a big issue with Islam. I was married to a very educated Muslim for 10 years and learned a lot about Islam. What I learned is that fundamental to Islam is Shariah Law regardless of which version of Islam you are dealing with. Shariah Law is in direct contradiction to US Constitutional Law and the two cannot co-exist. Women are given rights in US Constitutional Law that they are denied in Shariah Law which allows men to have 4 wives. In Shariah Law women are not allowed 4 husbands. So if a Muslim man wants another women he can just marry her unless he is at the limit of 4 wives. If a Muslim woman wants a different man she can be stoned to death. I think the State Department is missing these facts as well.
I believe that President Obama's intention was in his first statement on Friday to emphasize the right to worship, which he did effectively. Perhaps the purpose of his second statement (if you listen to the exact meaning of his words) was to clarify that regardless of anyone's opinion (his own or others) the rights of Muslim citizens are supported in the constituion. Although the second statement seems to be a weak statement, I don't believe his intention was to back off of his first statement.
E. Bowen
Have I missed Thom making the obvious Libertarians want to smoke dope and get laid joke inherant in this Rand Paul story?
I mean talk about low hanging fruit.
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I read about that incident when I was killing time in a library a couple of years ago. It happened early on in Wilson's presidency (I think the book I was reading was about Woodrow Wilson). He caught a lot of flak for it too. National Guard killed men women and children. Labor struggles were no walk in the park back then, there no walk in the park now, but labor seems far less willing to go the distance (which I don't know I can blame them or not).
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Newt Gingrich: The word "Nazis" tells me all I need to know about the strength of your argument.
I don't recall that a group of athiests has ever started a war.
Newt Gingrich wants to be the Head Prophet of Enuresis Nation. He has tons of under(thebed)prophets, but me? I refuse to pee at their behest.
Howard Zinn wrote the history of the Ludlow massacre in Colorado. I knew nothing of this union struggle until buying "A Peoples History of the United States." It should be required reading.