Dreamweaver-- I thought the New Deal and the Great Society demonstrated what a good set of economic policies could do. I think trying to call that set of policies a name, like capitalism or socialism, is superfluous.

DAM -- You do know that the 2nd amendment says state, correct? That should not be used for the security of a free nation. The security of a free nation is to be provided by the army. The army is the one tasked with defending against those indigenous people. No one thought we needed to protect the bearing of arms by individuals to maintain a well regulated army.

Also, an amendment can be overturned by 67% or 75% of the representatives. If 90% of the people want something and it doesn't happen, I would blame that on the 1%.

Another thought occurs to me regarding Obama and those war criminals. I recall that immediately after Obama was elected, Bush invited him to the White House for a private conference of some sort. Many times, I've wondered if Obama was threatened that day. It's hard to imagine Bush and his main-squeeze thugs weren't aware that they could be prosecuted. - AIW

I heard Thom Hartmann say we as world need to change from a consumption based economy. But didn't say to what that would be. At that I would happen to agree and let it stew in my mind. People are placid when their lives are mostly unaffected by poverty and are willing to give to those less fortunate. And less when times are tough Its shown throughout history to be true.

Capitalism versus Socialism and neither one has ever reached it true form with one being better. I don't think its one bit of difference if there was only one religion because there would still be those who by lack of proof of a god is there. Then thats where faith steps in and myself have tried to walk the fine line of yes and no as I think many others do. Its been a problem for the human race and all the variants of beliefs shows that. Mine is right yours is wrong or you're wrong. Ironic as it is most if not all predicate that we all give each other respect throughout all difference.

Perhaps its from our own unanswered curiosity that was to quench our thirst for what is or hope for our lives to end and the linear concept of life is. Though collective knowledge has created this and we look to something after this life. Hard to prove and even harder to disprove of a false negative or positive take your pick. Now I wish and hope the human race can come to the realization that we can all be different in what we do or not about our belief/s and not misconstrue it as faith or not.

And perhaps being the difference of not to be more evil collective. Now back to what the first thing was about a non consumption based economy. It will take us by storm when it comes as the human race evolves from a primitive self survival instinctual individual to a omnipresent one. Further to say this new world order will be one of peace as we see that we all benefit from the mere fact of logic as we conquer the past as we clearly see the options that have made us make the same mistakes that have cost us and all this world. Not as super humans but as it become to us as only logical that we have finally taken the path that will stop our own destructive behavior.

We will have robots that do the work and not just to make their benefit for monetary gain for a few as money itself will be vanquished as also the power it wields over others. It will certainty be a better world and this Earth a better place as we relish each others lineage and finally can all sit poolside with a cold drink in hand as soak up the rays from the sun.

So call me a dreamer, or a progressive thinker. But without dreamers we as a race would still have our asses parked in a smoky cave. So which are you star seeker or cave dweller? Its okay you don't need be one or the other because you are probable a bit of both. Ugh me see stars. Pick the second star to the right and straight till morning.

Palindromedary ~ Personally I agree with your theories of physics. That is not the problem. The problem is convincing the American public that their government planted those explosives. That is simply going to require proof and an investigation. Besides personally, I don't think our government did it. Why? Because in the investigative stories I saw I remember several witnesses saying that they saw an Israeli film crew set up that morning before the attack and later filming the disaster and laughing about it. That tells me two things. First, that Israel had prior knowlege to the event. There is even more evidence to point to that I am sure you are aware of. Secondly, that our government was probably not involved because I seriously doubt that a conspiracy of that magnitude would be shared with anyone outside of our govenment let alone a foreign nation. Finally, if it were, I doubt that not even a single whistleblower would have come fourth yet. You know, the need to know kind of thing. Certainly an Israeli film crew doesn't need to know.

Besides, as we've discussed previously, the most likely way these explosives were installed was by painting them on in the form of nanotherminite. Given our current dependancy on foreign labor those crews could have been comprised of any foreign looking, non English speaking, people without having drawn any suspicion from anyone. Quite frankly, if you ask me, a crew of clean cut anglos would have drawn far more suspicion than people of middle eastern disent who shaved off thier beards and put on overalls. Such a crew would sharply resemble Cubans or Mexicans and no one who doesn't speak spanish wouldn't even try to talk to them. Besides, the work crews sealed off the floors they were working on too didn't they?

From what we know now it is far more likely to conclude that it was Israel, or possibly Saudi Arabia, who brought those towers down; and not the US government. Not to say that there weren't rogue elements in our government that were involved. After all, someone supplied the nanothermite to those work crews and only the US had that substance at the time. (At least, that we know of.) Yet, without a proper investigation, that question will never be properly answered.

There's a reason I wish the left had as many enraged crazies as the right sometimes... I wish one was so mad he'd kill Dick Cheney. That fuckwad deserves to be killed more than anyone else on the planet.

They SO resented that a half-white person beat them in the first election, they decided to sabotage everything he wanted to do, even if it would have been GOOD for their own constituents. And when Obama won a 2nd term, they were determined to do whatever it takes to deem his Presidency a failure. Well, they haven't, and they never will. History will report that the Bush Administration lied to get us into Iraq, and deserted essentially the men serving in Afghanistan. They had no interest in ever getting Bin Laden, and they viciously imprisoned many people who were literally SOLD into rendition and those put in Gitmo. There were probably some bad people they caught along the way, but it's the relatively innocents who were abused and subjected to horrible mistreatment. I don't blame some of them for getting a release from Bush, returning home, and then the rage and indignities they suffered caused them to become the very kind of people they hadn't been before we took away their freedom and abused them. Some of us - had we been treated the same way knowing we were innocent - would no doubt have felt the same way. Bush & Cheney were total failures. Cheney was by far the worst, but we all paid for it because it was done with our tax dollars, and done in our names as Americans. I sorely RESENT that. And all of you should feel the same way. President Obama should have been given the respect any President deserves while serving as our Commander-in-Chief. But these old, white bigots who love war more than they want peace and the good things for our America don't give a tinker's damn about us. It's been all about greed and extreme power. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when they die and have to account for their atrocities.

Bipartisan Meeting on Health Reform: Part 1,2,3,4, &5 From Thom Hartman himself...

Our democracy is not just being undermined by Republicans. The Fossil and Nuclear fuel industries have been buying our governemnt with profits from dirty energy for more than half a century. Both Republicans and Democrats get way too much money and from WHAT? Profits that aren't real! They are stolen from us through subsidies and give-aways (like the insurance on nuclear power plants that we-the-people have to back up). All these centralized power boondoggles have simply made it possible for the the big energy corporations to ignore the democratic process by ensuring through "donations" that we-the-people keep having to pay for the pollution and clean ups while they rake in "free market" ( NOT!) profits.

It's not going to get better until we have 100% Renewable Energy running our civilization. As you can see, as vital as it is to save the biosphere, we need to do this to save our democracy! If you want to stop this, please sign my petition at Care2: Here's a link http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ai3Tb

Also, for those who think that building 400 plus Nuclear power plants post war was justified in order to get weapons grade plutonium, I want you to know that has NEVER been the case. I have all the details. We were lied to. There was NO justification for building them, Weapons grade Plutonium has NEVER been made in them and small cyclotrons can produce all the radionuclides needed as tracers and therapy in nuclear medicine. We were, and are, still being robbed, not just of our tax dollars, but of our democracy by centralized energy profit over planet polluters.

Thom, please have someone from your staff read this. It is referenced and irrefutable. You can use this to help shut down those nuclear power plant radioacttive white elephants for the good of future generations.

http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/nuke-puke/no-we-never-needed...

Thank you,

Anthony G. Gelbert

Renewable revolution Forum/blog http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/index.php

Quote Aliceinwonderland:Far as Obama is concerned, I hate to be a cynic but I'd bet $$ that when his term in office ends, he'll have done absolutely NOTHING to bring these sleazy, fascist war criminals to justice. Any president who targets journalists and whistle blowers like Barak the Betrayer has, and murders children with drones, is himself a criminal. With few exceptions, criminals don't prosecute criminals unless plea bargaining is involved, or some other form of bribery.

And now the US warmongers are, once again, having wet dream$ over the new flare-ups in Iraq. Obama is just going right along with what these capitalist creeps want. The US (99% anyway) would have been far better off if they had left Saddam in power. We wouldn't be trillions of dollars in debt.

TruthSprintgEternal: Hey, I know what a pentagram is...it's a message from the Pentagon....right? Actually, I saw quite a few of those "messages" when I worked there all those years many years ago.

Quote TruthSpringsEternal: What if we and the planet are being bio-engineered?

I'm going to have to quit sniffing all of that Barium and Aluminum Oxide...

Willie W: But crashing planes into the WTC buildings cannot account for how fast those buildings came down. The only way they could possibly have come down like that was that explosives were planted in the buildings, as in a demolition. It doesn't explain how the third WTC building came down similar to the other buildings, ie: near free-fall speed, and it wasn't even hit by a plane. It doesn't explain why those buildings came down while all other steel and concrete buildings in history has never came down from crashing planes or burning buildings.

The only thing that can explain what happened was that someone with very powerful connections had access to those buildings for as long as it took to plant those explosives. And Osama bin Laden and his band of hijackers were not part of that conspiracy. They may have been set up as patsies by the only people who had the power to plant explosives...the Neocons....the people who stood to greatly profit from power and wealth. And the discovery of high tech nanothermite residue around those buildings proves that someone very connected had access to an incendiary capable of melting massive steel beams in an instant all without an excess of noise as would have accompanied an explosive-only demolition. A combination of normal explosives and nanothermite brought those buildings down. The only people to have access to nanothermite, in such quantities, is the government..the military.

It is also most likely that those airliners were remotely, electronically hijacked and guided to their targets.