Related in the sense that Prescott Bush chose Nixon, Nixon became executive counsel for Pepsi, North American Van Lines was sold to Pepsi in 1968 until 1984.
Further, Nixon flew out of Dallas from the Pepsi Bottlers Convention on Assassination Day, while the President's speech had originally been planned to be given at the Convention Center. Shortly before the Dallas trip, the Bottlers somehow booked the Convention Center which changed the destination of the motorcade, thus the route, which then had to pass the Texas School Book Depository.
On the same day
11/22/1963 National City Lines. Inc., a holding company, acquired 75% of the outstanding stock of Fort Wayne Leasing, Inc., for $200,000 at closing and an additional $150,000 to be paid over the next five years contingent on Fort Wayne's earnings.
The Fort Wayne National Corporation group of lawyers were pooling off-the-book client interests from a succession of banks which had all been Fort Waye National Bank since 1836. FWNB eventually merged into National City Bank then Pittsburgh National Corporation. At one time the Federal Reserve had Fort Wayne National Bank and National City filed simultaneously under the RSSID of FWNB.
The Tax ID was obtained when another "entity" of the bank, listed by the Federal Reserve as Fort Wayne National Bank Realty (1974) transferred 33,400,000 "in real estate" to Fort Wayne National Corporation when the Kryder Company, owner of numerous mortgages and federal securities was not passed to the next generation but kept by the bank and trust company. .
The connections to the Shamrock-Amarillo Bunch, other branches of the Bush family in my research indicate Fort Wayne National Corporation were or are the Henchmen for Prescott Bush's CIA and Shadow Bank System.
Of course they put Reagan in power, and Bush, and Bush, and more Bush if they can. Even Clinton is a Bush best friend, and many people don't recall that during Clinton in 1993 we had a rash of bank failures which rivaled those of 1981-1985...
Marc, you are not alone in your feelings on this topic. We might have our disagreements from time to time but I like how you're "put together".
Great points Sandlewould, as always… But what does the acronym "RW" mean; Republican Wienies?
Chuck, we don't need naiveté in the Oval Office. Outside of fascist pig candidates like Romney or McCain, naiveté is the LAST thing we need. I was gonna respond with that "end result was the same" comment but CK beat me to it. Who cares whether it's his naiveté or his heart? And just like CK, soon after Obama was elected, whatever excitement and hope I felt about him winning that election got dashed when he picked those hacks & quacks as his "economic advisors"; the same fucking guys that virtually destroyed this economy!!! In my view, that equates to more than simple naiveté; it's either devious or just plain stupid. Take your pick.
A "constitutional scholar" who can't even uphold and protect the constitution makes a sorry-ass excuse for a president. - Aliceinwonderland
P.S. Chuck, I also agree that references to "Reagan" are more about his entire administration. He was just a puppet and a stooge for Wolfowitz (sp?), Cheney, Rove, the Bushies and the rest of those fascist dirtbags.
leighmf -- Thank you for all the information. Do you think the 1981 obtaining of an id was related to the reagan adminstration coming to power (please do not make me type administration anymore; when I say reagan it is implied)? Did not the number of M&A's exponentially increase during reagan's time and beyond?
Reagan may have stopped the enforcement, but the mergers of 1982 had long been in the making in stages which systematically weakened the effect of The Sherman Act. Before Reagan was the Multi-Bank Holding Legislation in 1969-1970 which shuffled the deck beyond Bank Examiner comprehension, apparently. Before that were changes in the Securities Holding Act 1940 which negatively impacted individual investors and capitalists.
Trust companies, i.e. BIG INSURANCE (New York Life- the Company that kept Me) have destroyed the shopkeepers and town merchants of America by selling out family companies in pooled estates to larger chains in trust portfolios. In the same way they eventually plan for worldwide Tenancy vs. private ownership as decade by decade familes lose a little bit more of what they once had.
Trust Companies holding "private estates" always worked around the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, so Reagan was inconsequential. They had theirn own plan they were going to do anyway, and it has just taken a couple of 30 year insurance charter cycles for things to flip over like this ppoint of concern.
I also wish to point out that the Kryder Company, Inc. expired in December 1982, a 50-year real estate corporation whose property disappeared into a massive national REIT called North American Properties, Inc. aka Summit et al. which owns the land beneath countless bank buildings, chain stores, strip malls, hospitals, nursing homes, freight lines, managed developed communities, resort property, mines, and casino franchises on Indian Land.
1982 is the official founding date of "Fort Wayne National Corporation," a multi-bank holding company which secretly organized in 1969. The organization existed 13 years in Indiana corporate files though did not obtain a federal i.d. until 1981. It was a North American Company amalgamation of Steel, Transportaton, Agriculture, Supermarket, Food Production, Amusement, and Railroad interests organized "for business purposes." Fiduciaries of the Kryder estate were officers and directors. They merged Central Soya into Disney Holdings and Shamrock Capital in 1978. They merged North Americaan Van Lines into Pepsico in 1968. What did that have to do with Reagan?
Reagan didn't know diddly-squat- he just acted out his lines and played a hero.
ckrob -- Are you asking for my list? In regards to his economic advisors I agree. They cut down the 1.2 trillion stimulus we needed, and replaced it with a 800 billion stimulus. Worse yet, they made 1/3 of it tax breaks. I call that not a move to the right, but a smaller move to the left.
DAM -- Has affirmative action caused reverse discrimination anywhere except for admissions? Affirmative Action, seemingly, is easier to enact than any comprehensive education reform.
Marc, I reject the premise that Affirmative Action is racist. Like you, I'd like to see colleges & universities made part of the commons, tax-supported and accessible to all. That would be better than Affirmative Action; no argument there! But I still think that calling AA "racist" is just whiney-whitey bullshit. I've also heard a few blacks call it "racist" and I disagree with them just as heartily.
Including higher ed in the commons is about economics, as I pointed out earlier. Affirmative Action was enacted at a time when higher ed was much more affordable and students weren't getting buried under mountains of debt. So economics was not so much the issue back then; it was admission standards that were used to block minorities from higher ed, more than the price of tuition. - AIW
C8: I don't care whether it was naïveté or his heart, the result was the same. Before O was elected I knew he was headed in the wrong direction with the economic advisors he picked. (Wall Street sycophants) If he was better than the other candidate may be open to question because we've moved farther to the right when the left might have offered more resistance to a Rebublican president. I'm not confident of the prior sentence since the Dems didn't offer much opposition to the damage baby Bush did in his eight years.
Did Reagan kill entrepreneurialism? Yes he did, at least as far as I'm concerned. You see, even before NAFTA and GATT there were all kinds of business incentives that Reagan pioneered to send jobs overseas. (Back then we called it "Industrial Flight") I myself during the '80s was in college studying to be a product designer and entrepreneur. One of the things we learned that was to successfully market any new product you invented you had to first procure overseas manufacturing rights. That's right my friends if you think you have a new idea and want to create local jobs forget it. That is a long lost pipe dream. Yes, even before free trade it was lost. It was lost during the administration of Ronald Wilson (666) Reagan. Indeed, you will never own the rights to anything you ever invent in this country thanks to Mr. Raygun.
Which is precisely why, though being somewhat of a talented inventor myself, I abandoned my ambitions entirely when I learned about the cold hard truth of reality. At best I would have to forsake my fellow Americans who I wanted to provide jobs for, and profit off a bunch of slaves in another country who I never even met. Not me! That's just not the way I'm put together!! Back then I assumed that this self destructive tendency would eventually be abandoned and then I would be free to contribute to society of my talents. It hasn't happened yet; and, I can only assume I am not alone in how I feel.
I posted an idea to another site that I will repeat here. Why don't the citizens of Blanding build their own ATV "park" with land that isn't so sensitive? They can build in all the ups, downs, bridges, and everything else that makes a trail fun. They can build a big shelter for picnics and group meetings and maybe picnic areas along the trail. They can plant native waterwise species, rock gardens, children's play areas, and things others their family can enjoy. It can be an ongoing community project that can be added to over time, and maintained/repaired by the community, which will get it more respect from users. People may love their ATVs but they are not a low-impact sport, and they should realize that. Before skateboard parks were built, kids playing in the streets ran risks with car traffic. Such parks were a solution. If Blanding does a good job with their ATV "park", it might also draw others. Maybe a little tourism would help the area.
Where I grew up (New Mexico) there are ancient sites (many unexcavated) that are off-limits, gated to keep people out, and often on Native land. They are there for the descendants of these long-gone people to provide places for traditional pilgrimages, harvesting from native plants, and to support their legends and traditions, not to mention keeping others from vandalizing, looting, digging up the dead, and destroying whatever building remains there may be. This is as it should be.
These ATV people are constantly blaming the "guvmint" for keeping them from using "their" land. Those are PUBLIC lands, and my tax dollars make them as much mine as theirs! And of course, that goes double for Native Americans.
In WA state, where I live now, there is a fragile wilderness area for which hikers must get one of a limited number of permits and must specify the dates of use - which limits the number of people tromping around the landscape, and leaves a record of who goes in and out. That also helps any search and rescue efforts. I have never heard of anyone railing about these restrictions, and those that go there appreciate not having to deal with mobs to enjoy its beauty.
Quote chuckle8:DAM -- The only complaining I ever hear concerning Affirmative Action is for test scores on admission. Do you have some other complaint about Affirmative Action? If so, what?
chuckle8 ~ As I believe I stated before I oppose Affirmative Action because it is nothing more than reverse discrimination. I oppose any form of discrimination.
Everything that Affirmative Action claims to accomplish could be much better accomplished with simple comprehensive education reform.
Racism will never be any part of a real solution for any problem.
Excellent points, every1. Ray-gun did us in, but he was only being a pawn for the economic royalists who have been chomping at the bit for revenge since FDR.
BTW Thom, watching the Big Pic ...off topic, but (in case you actually have time to read this) Thanks for hammerring the media! My pet issue! I maintain, no media by/4/of the people, no Gov. by/4/of the people. Where's the outrage? Carefully scripted and then eliminated. Call Tom Wheeler tomorrow! Last chance to save internet by/4/of the people! 202-418-1000.
AHAHAH! Tom just said that ATT was going to scarff up Direct TV!! Facism is truly rearing it's ugly head. Geo-political intuitive LWNJ unprovable suspiscion; The media conglomerates want to consolidate until there is NO access to ANY media...accept RW fascist propagnda,,,unless you are a Billionaire.....AHAHAH. It's not about the $$$ for those at the top, it's about controling the population...as in population control...as in Grayson; "Republicans want you to die and die quickly" ..and so do some Dems! savetheinternet.com
I would not blame Reagan. He was merely a mediocre actor in his biggest role. Pulling his strings were a number of players in his administration. Didn't that include: Poppy Bush, Rummy, Cheney and James Baker III? Then there was strong influence from the Heritage Foundation. They were making the spitballs Reagan was throwing! Is it the gun that does the killing or the guy pulling the trigger?
Chuck, I get your point. However I also get CK's point about Obama "giving away the store". I think that even as contradictory as your posts might appear, you both are right. - AIW
Is that unique to Europeans though? Doesn't every culture that defeats another claim cultural superiority? Japan's treatment their conquered territories in WWII, for example. Didn't they massacre/rape/enslave Chinese by the thousands, all in the name of "we won, so your culture must be inferior".
I know European arrogance is an easy target, since they conquered so many cultures, including the ones whose land most of us occupy at this very moment. But to imply that it is something inherent to Europeans, and not every single conquering culture, is disingenuous.
Actually, it's a feature of civilization to conquer, subjugate and build empire - and to enslave. Incas and Aztecs did something similar. It's not a racial characteristic. Racism is also universal at that stage of political economic evolution.
DAM -- The only complaining I ever hear concerning Affirmative Action is for test scores on admission. Do you have some other complaint about Affirmative Action? If so, what?
Hey...Alice L-eft , R-ight , WNJ- WingNutJob
Related in the sense that Prescott Bush chose Nixon, Nixon became executive counsel for Pepsi, North American Van Lines was sold to Pepsi in 1968 until 1984.
Further, Nixon flew out of Dallas from the Pepsi Bottlers Convention on Assassination Day, while the President's speech had originally been planned to be given at the Convention Center. Shortly before the Dallas trip, the Bottlers somehow booked the Convention Center which changed the destination of the motorcade, thus the route, which then had to pass the Texas School Book Depository.
On the same day
11/22/1963 National City Lines. Inc., a holding company, acquired 75% of the outstanding stock of Fort Wayne Leasing, Inc., for $200,000 at closing and an additional $150,000 to be paid over the next five years contingent on Fort Wayne's earnings.
The Fort Wayne National Corporation group of lawyers were pooling off-the-book client interests from a succession of banks which had all been Fort Waye National Bank since 1836. FWNB eventually merged into National City Bank then Pittsburgh National Corporation. At one time the Federal Reserve had Fort Wayne National Bank and National City filed simultaneously under the RSSID of FWNB.
The Tax ID was obtained when another "entity" of the bank, listed by the Federal Reserve as Fort Wayne National Bank Realty (1974) transferred 33,400,000 "in real estate" to Fort Wayne National Corporation when the Kryder Company, owner of numerous mortgages and federal securities was not passed to the next generation but kept by the bank and trust company. .
The connections to the Shamrock-Amarillo Bunch, other branches of the Bush family in my research indicate Fort Wayne National Corporation were or are the Henchmen for Prescott Bush's CIA and Shadow Bank System.
Of course they put Reagan in power, and Bush, and Bush, and more Bush if they can. Even Clinton is a Bush best friend, and many people don't recall that during Clinton in 1993 we had a rash of bank failures which rivaled those of 1981-1985...
Replying to posts #10-13:
Marc, you are not alone in your feelings on this topic. We might have our disagreements from time to time but I like how you're "put together".
Great points Sandlewould, as always… But what does the acronym "RW" mean; Republican Wienies?
Chuck, we don't need naiveté in the Oval Office. Outside of fascist pig candidates like Romney or McCain, naiveté is the LAST thing we need. I was gonna respond with that "end result was the same" comment but CK beat me to it. Who cares whether it's his naiveté or his heart? And just like CK, soon after Obama was elected, whatever excitement and hope I felt about him winning that election got dashed when he picked those hacks & quacks as his "economic advisors"; the same fucking guys that virtually destroyed this economy!!! In my view, that equates to more than simple naiveté; it's either devious or just plain stupid. Take your pick.
A "constitutional scholar" who can't even uphold and protect the constitution makes a sorry-ass excuse for a president. - Aliceinwonderland
P.S. Chuck, I also agree that references to "Reagan" are more about his entire administration. He was just a puppet and a stooge for Wolfowitz (sp?), Cheney, Rove, the Bushies and the rest of those fascist dirtbags.
leighmf -- Thank you for all the information. Do you think the 1981 obtaining of an id was related to the reagan adminstration coming to power (please do not make me type administration anymore; when I say reagan it is implied)? Did not the number of M&A's exponentially increase during reagan's time and beyond?
Reagan may have stopped the enforcement, but the mergers of 1982 had long been in the making in stages which systematically weakened the effect of The Sherman Act. Before Reagan was the Multi-Bank Holding Legislation in 1969-1970 which shuffled the deck beyond Bank Examiner comprehension, apparently. Before that were changes in the Securities Holding Act 1940 which negatively impacted individual investors and capitalists.
Trust companies, i.e. BIG INSURANCE (New York Life- the Company that kept Me) have destroyed the shopkeepers and town merchants of America by selling out family companies in pooled estates to larger chains in trust portfolios. In the same way they eventually plan for worldwide Tenancy vs. private ownership as decade by decade familes lose a little bit more of what they once had.
Trust Companies holding "private estates" always worked around the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, so Reagan was inconsequential. They had theirn own plan they were going to do anyway, and it has just taken a couple of 30 year insurance charter cycles for things to flip over like this ppoint of concern.
I also wish to point out that the Kryder Company, Inc. expired in December 1982, a 50-year real estate corporation whose property disappeared into a massive national REIT called North American Properties, Inc. aka Summit et al. which owns the land beneath countless bank buildings, chain stores, strip malls, hospitals, nursing homes, freight lines, managed developed communities, resort property, mines, and casino franchises on Indian Land.
1982 is the official founding date of "Fort Wayne National Corporation," a multi-bank holding company which secretly organized in 1969. The organization existed 13 years in Indiana corporate files though did not obtain a federal i.d. until 1981. It was a North American Company amalgamation of Steel, Transportaton, Agriculture, Supermarket, Food Production, Amusement, and Railroad interests organized "for business purposes." Fiduciaries of the Kryder estate were officers and directors. They merged Central Soya into Disney Holdings and Shamrock Capital in 1978. They merged North Americaan Van Lines into Pepsico in 1968. What did that have to do with Reagan?
Reagan didn't know diddly-squat- he just acted out his lines and played a hero.
ckrob -- Are you asking for my list? In regards to his economic advisors I agree. They cut down the 1.2 trillion stimulus we needed, and replaced it with a 800 billion stimulus. Worse yet, they made 1/3 of it tax breaks. I call that not a move to the right, but a smaller move to the left.
Excellent point, Chuck!
Suze O -- Very good. Did you get any rebuttals?
Great suggestions, Suze!
Personally, I'd be delighted if all those ATVs got dumped off a cliff somewhere and left to rot. - AIW
DAM -- Has affirmative action caused reverse discrimination anywhere except for admissions? Affirmative Action, seemingly, is easier to enact than any comprehensive education reform.
Marc, I reject the premise that Affirmative Action is racist. Like you, I'd like to see colleges & universities made part of the commons, tax-supported and accessible to all. That would be better than Affirmative Action; no argument there! But I still think that calling AA "racist" is just whiney-whitey bullshit. I've also heard a few blacks call it "racist" and I disagree with them just as heartily.
Including higher ed in the commons is about economics, as I pointed out earlier. Affirmative Action was enacted at a time when higher ed was much more affordable and students weren't getting buried under mountains of debt. So economics was not so much the issue back then; it was admission standards that were used to block minorities from higher ed, more than the price of tuition. - AIW
C8: I don't care whether it was naïveté or his heart, the result was the same. Before O was elected I knew he was headed in the wrong direction with the economic advisors he picked. (Wall Street sycophants) If he was better than the other candidate may be open to question because we've moved farther to the right when the left might have offered more resistance to a Rebublican president. I'm not confident of the prior sentence since the Dems didn't offer much opposition to the damage baby Bush did in his eight years.
Did Reagan kill entrepreneurialism? Yes he did, at least as far as I'm concerned. You see, even before NAFTA and GATT there were all kinds of business incentives that Reagan pioneered to send jobs overseas. (Back then we called it "Industrial Flight") I myself during the '80s was in college studying to be a product designer and entrepreneur. One of the things we learned that was to successfully market any new product you invented you had to first procure overseas manufacturing rights. That's right my friends if you think you have a new idea and want to create local jobs forget it. That is a long lost pipe dream. Yes, even before free trade it was lost. It was lost during the administration of Ronald Wilson (666) Reagan. Indeed, you will never own the rights to anything you ever invent in this country thanks to Mr. Raygun.
Which is precisely why, though being somewhat of a talented inventor myself, I abandoned my ambitions entirely when I learned about the cold hard truth of reality. At best I would have to forsake my fellow Americans who I wanted to provide jobs for, and profit off a bunch of slaves in another country who I never even met. Not me! That's just not the way I'm put together!! Back then I assumed that this self destructive tendency would eventually be abandoned and then I would be free to contribute to society of my talents. It hasn't happened yet; and, I can only assume I am not alone in how I feel.
I posted an idea to another site that I will repeat here. Why don't the citizens of Blanding build their own ATV "park" with land that isn't so sensitive? They can build in all the ups, downs, bridges, and everything else that makes a trail fun. They can build a big shelter for picnics and group meetings and maybe picnic areas along the trail. They can plant native waterwise species, rock gardens, children's play areas, and things others their family can enjoy. It can be an ongoing community project that can be added to over time, and maintained/repaired by the community, which will get it more respect from users. People may love their ATVs but they are not a low-impact sport, and they should realize that. Before skateboard parks were built, kids playing in the streets ran risks with car traffic. Such parks were a solution. If Blanding does a good job with their ATV "park", it might also draw others. Maybe a little tourism would help the area.
Where I grew up (New Mexico) there are ancient sites (many unexcavated) that are off-limits, gated to keep people out, and often on Native land. They are there for the descendants of these long-gone people to provide places for traditional pilgrimages, harvesting from native plants, and to support their legends and traditions, not to mention keeping others from vandalizing, looting, digging up the dead, and destroying whatever building remains there may be. This is as it should be.
These ATV people are constantly blaming the "guvmint" for keeping them from using "their" land. Those are PUBLIC lands, and my tax dollars make them as much mine as theirs! And of course, that goes double for Native Americans.
In WA state, where I live now, there is a fragile wilderness area for which hikers must get one of a limited number of permits and must specify the dates of use - which limits the number of people tromping around the landscape, and leaves a record of who goes in and out. That also helps any search and rescue efforts. I have never heard of anyone railing about these restrictions, and those that go there appreciate not having to deal with mobs to enjoy its beauty.
chuckle8 ~ As I believe I stated before I oppose Affirmative Action because it is nothing more than reverse discrimination. I oppose any form of discrimination.
Everything that Affirmative Action claims to accomplish could be much better accomplished with simple comprehensive education reform.
Racism will never be any part of a real solution for any problem.
AIW -- I blame his "giving away the store" on naivete not his heart
Excellent points, every1. Ray-gun did us in, but he was only being a pawn for the economic royalists who have been chomping at the bit for revenge since FDR.
BTW Thom, watching the Big Pic ...off topic, but (in case you actually have time to read this) Thanks for hammerring the media! My pet issue! I maintain, no media by/4/of the people, no Gov. by/4/of the people. Where's the outrage? Carefully scripted and then eliminated. Call Tom Wheeler tomorrow! Last chance to save internet by/4/of the people! 202-418-1000.
AHAHAH! Tom just said that ATT was going to scarff up Direct TV!! Facism is truly rearing it's ugly head. Geo-political intuitive LWNJ unprovable suspiscion; The media conglomerates want to consolidate until there is NO access to ANY media...accept RW fascist propagnda,,,unless you are a Billionaire.....AHAHAH. It's not about the $$$ for those at the top, it's about controling the population...as in population control...as in Grayson; "Republicans want you to die and die quickly" ..and so do some Dems! savetheinternet.com
harmonious1 -- Do you know how much easier it is to type reagan than reagan administration?
Harmonious, without the gun there's no trigger to pull.
That aside, I blame Reagan AND Poppy Bush AND Rummy AND Cheney AND the whole rotten lot of those alpha male imperialist dirtbags. - AIW
Not really just Reagan.
I would not blame Reagan. He was merely a mediocre actor in his biggest role. Pulling his strings were a number of players in his administration. Didn't that include: Poppy Bush, Rummy, Cheney and James Baker III? Then there was strong influence from the Heritage Foundation. They were making the spitballs Reagan was throwing! Is it the gun that does the killing or the guy pulling the trigger?
Basically what you're saying, Mark, is that it is a "feature" of civilization to be uncivilized.
I see very little hope for humanity. - AIW
Chuck, I get your point. However I also get CK's point about Obama "giving away the store". I think that even as contradictory as your posts might appear, you both are right. - AIW
Actually, it's a feature of civilization to conquer, subjugate and build empire - and to enslave. Incas and Aztecs did something similar. It's not a racial characteristic. Racism is also universal at that stage of political economic evolution.
Dorfman, that's an EXCELLENT suggestion; tear up Bundy's family graves with an ATV! Yeah! - AIW
DAM -- The only complaining I ever hear concerning Affirmative Action is for test scores on admission. Do you have some other complaint about Affirmative Action? If so, what?