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Aliceinwonderland: Yes, I've heard of the term "lizard people" and I've watched youtube videos of people accused of being a lizzard person. It's kind of like if you stare at a closet doorknob at night when you were a child and thinking there is a monster in the closet. If you stare at the doorknob long enough, you might just believe that it turns or wiggles. So, in the youtube videos if you watch their eyes, they are supposed to exhibit a lizzard-like movement of the eyes...perhaps you imagine the round pupils very momentarily turn in to slits like snake or lizard eyes. Or perhaps, one may think they see them exhibit other unusual characteristics.
The Lizzard People comes from the idea that some extraterrestrials who have been visiting the earth for quite some time (thousands of years) can morph into human shape, in order to fit into our society..but yet working secretively to undermine it...or, at least to control it in the manner they see fit. (Don't get on that ship...that book....that book is a cookbook!*) But that unusual characteristics can give them away if you look hard enough. They used to burn poor women at the stake by scientifically-challenge buffoons who thought those poor women were witches. That's the kind of nonsense that is dangerous...and that kind of thinking deserves to be shamed into non-existence.
As for whether we have been visited by ET over the years...I don't know...maybe, maybe not. I have seen only one thing that may have been a UFO when I camped out near Rachel, NV one night.
But one thing we do know is that the military has had sightings and videos of sightings which they did not readily share with the public. They did, initially, report that the Roswell crash was an extraterrestrial UFO, but then later tried to cover it up by a couple of bogus stories that turned out to be disinformation.
Lots of very well trained aviation experts as well as other highly technical experts have seen these things. And if there was any "evidence" the military has already shown that they will cordon off the area and confiscate it...as they did in Roswell and several other places.
*A Twilight Zone episode called "To Serve Man". Aliens land and meet our leaders handing them a book that only the title was decrypted called "To Serve Man". The leaders were told that it contains very advanced technology that would help to alleviate hunger and drought and all manner of things beneficial to people on the earth. All they had to do was decrypt it. They had convinced people not to fear them and even started transporting human visitors to their planet...like a tour. The ending of the film showed exited lines of people getting into the ship when one man's friend or relative (I don't remember exactly who it was, now) was just about to get on the ship when the scientist showed up to warn his friend not to get on the ship because that book "How To Serve Man" was a cookbook!
Here's a pretty good explanation about Reptilians...another name for Lizard people...shape-shifters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians
I agree with Mark S that dubya's worst violation was against international law. However, I am surprised that Thom does not know the details of the "law" the congress passed to enable Bush to invade Iraq, I am more surprised because the only place I heard about it was on Thom's radio broadcast. I am foggy on the details but the agreement that congress gave to dubya said that he could attack Iraq after he provided proof of wmd to congress and they agreed to it. He started the bombing and sent the paper to congress signed saying he found wmd.
Does anyone know any examples when two co-ops have competed against each other in the marketplace?
Speaking of the surreal, Palin, just the other day I heard Thom Hartmann musing over the question of whether Donald Rumsfeld is a "lizard person". He described an incident where Rumsfeld was giving a speech and someone from the audience asked him point-blank if he was one of those. According to Thom, Mr. R refused to answer and ignored the question. Then seemingly with a straight face, our geeky-science enthusiast Mr. H says "I wonder...", as if he thought this an intriguing possibility. When a science geek implies, in context or tone of voice, that "lizard people" are real, I have to wonder too. Previous to this, I recall hearing mention of such entities on Zeitgeist. Sooo..... what in damnation is a "lizard person"?!! Have you any answer to this question, Palin? Anybody? Inquiring minds need to know. - AIW
FractionallyUnnerved:
Sorry about making edits...it tends to throw off the order of things putting your post ahead of mine when you were trying to reply to mine.
Yes, I did notice that and, actually, it is true. We atheists have to fight back somehow and it seems pure folly to just rely on trying to be absolutely fair and honest. It's kind of like the futility of Democrats (at least the liberal progressive one) of arguing honest points to someone who is constantly telling lies like Fox News..and it seems that the majority of people prefer to believe in lies. No one believes an honest man anyway...especially if that honest man is an atheist and dares challenge the entrenched gullibility of scientifically-challenge people who are so apt to believe in ridiculous things like the supernatural. I think Einstein was tired of being pulled in both directions and just wanted to be left in peace. Obviously, the atheists ticked him off too. But, you know, it wasn't the atheists who initially went big-time into tugging on Einstein...it was the religion-mongers who felt they needed someone really smart to prove their nonsense. And Einstein wasn't going to be their toady. He wasn't going to be anyone's toady.
FractionallyUnnerved: I certainly think that there are some good and valid parables in the Bible. Like "Thou shalt not kill."...unless, of course, God tells you to...then it's ok, I suppose. He did order his flock to go down upon the land of Canaan and slaughter everyone except the young girls who would become their concubines. It's ok to kill if you ar God and you send a world-wide flood to kill everyone except Utnapishtum* (oops, I mean Noah) and his family. God seems more like a psychopath than a loving god.
There are some very good moral principles as well. But not all of them. And, not all are really believed or followed otherwise good God-fearing men would have to test their beliefs in God by sacrificing their first born male child. Or they would have to sacrifice the virginity of their female children to save a male visitor (an angel no less...yeah, right! lol) from being raped by hordes of lusting homosexual neighbors. And then as a "reward" for such fatherly love, those female children get him drunk and have sex with him so they can have children too. Yes, the Bible is X-rated, you know!
Just as in the Fables of Kalila and Dimna there are good examples of how someone should live. But that doesn't prove that the fictitious stories surrounding them are realistic or true stories any more than cartoon characters should be believed to be real.
Most people today do not actually believe that these myths or fables actually happened. They don't believe that Thor or Isis or Neptune actually existed any more that Bugs Bunny or the Easter Bunny. They are all myths. And so are the more modern day fantastical stories as depicted in various religious books and even in more modern day stories of the supernatural. None of them are factual realities.
And yes, there are theories of things like dark matter and string theory and zero point energy but until they are proven to be true they are just ideas...theories. Even the so-called "big bang theory" especially the part where the whole universe came from a tiny speck of nothingness. That's pretty hard to believe even if it is deemed scientific theory. But, I guess it is a good model until it is proven unworthy of thinking about it. But, the caveat is that science, in it's broad scope, represents finding things that does work over and over again without having to "believe" in it as a religion. While there is a tendency for some to latch on to ideas as if they were written in platinum, even in science, they still have to pass the test of repeated experiments that can be done by a wide spectrum of the scientific community before they can be accepted as a better model as to how things work.
The adherents of supernatural belief constantly try to manipulate others into their beliefs by misusing and misquoting scientists or other very acclaimed intelligent people like Einstein.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/may/12/peopleinscience.religion
*Utnapishtum was the Noah of the Epic of Gilgamesh which preceded the biblical Flood story. Funny how these ancient religions like Judaism plagiarized even more ancient myths and changed them a bit to fit the believability of the gullible of their times.
good read Palin here's the quote I thought relevent
Despite his categorical rejection of conventional religion, Brooke said that Einstein became angry when his views were appropriated by evangelists for atheism. He was offended by their lack of humility and once wrote. "The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility
Now that said the comprehensive truth you require to prove telepathy and prophecy will soon be acknowledged
good day Palin
i must apologize you mentioned and offered other "lark allegory" stories I remember now being caught up in that partical science epiphany at the time and should have thanked you for that offer. cheers.
I aggree myth as a teaching tool has and still can( Cargo cult )become superstition in cases through out the ages. but as Thomas Paine's friend spoke of the king James version of the Bible the Deist Thomas Jefferson said "you can seldom find a diamond in a dung hill "then proceeded to write his own version of the Bible! their still is that truth to be rediscovered unearthed as of yet.or taught in allegory as with the' lark story' as you know
Just as the scientists have little clue what dark mater is they presume it's mathamaticaly exists correct. the correlation between to particals moving.in completely different places on earth connected some how (Noble peace prize)leads the way in large to the many particals at once, Particals also being Thought correct.moving thinking together in different locations.mind to mind ,even in future and past world's in the multiverse Steven Hawkings prdict Their is more than enough science to speculate! much more than just dogma my friend.
911 2 jets 3 building lest we forget good day Frac
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
http://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism
There is just no evidence to support the supernatural. In the past, much of what was considered as "supernatural" is now understood, through scientific method, as natural and explainable..just previously misunderstood by people who had no grasp of science. And it is those scientifically-challenged psycho-babble bullies of the past, and the present, that have foisted their nonsense on other scientifically-challenged pushovers of the present.
That is usually the case...those who believe in the supernatural, and adhere to dogma, cannot understand science. And, yes, you can find a few examples of certain "men of science" who make ridiculous non-scientific claims of their beliefs in dogmatic religious or superstitious things. But most scientists distance themselves from superstitious beliefs.
But for most "real scientists" who understand the Empirical method of deriving experimentally repeatable truths, rather than superstitious dogma that never does show anything above random chance... if that, they have to admit that there really is no good reason to believe in superstitious nonsense.
If everyone throughout history till the present, believed in superstitious nonsense then they would all still be fearing dragons and thinking they could fly on magic carpets, dying of what are now curable diseases.
And it is really funny how adherents of superstition and religion will misconstrue what scientists have said...often misquoting them. Scientists continually search for better answers to what they don't yet understand, dogmatists don't.
http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
I believe there is room for both.spiritual and material. Host/body and Soul /abstract thought. Now the canvas that would be the time space continuum. the multiverse.or World then.The Incarnation of each individual (the think thier for i am. part)then creatively works out karma. like minded people(within reason) in this New global village have so many ways to connect so much is possible that could never be realized (thought actuated)Spirit and material.in an earlier time.earlier Global karma.. Spirit is the higher reality.. true!
When transfering thought via sight and sound ,and as we unravel these mysteries think of how now are thought travels fast as light to each other and around the world.those of us that have the Big Picture concerns in mind ,must wonder why We exist at all?
Power to the people and Thought for the Thinkers .Thankfully people are no longer burnt at the stake for differences of oppinion.
- Frac out
Aliceinkosherland ~ Thanks so much for the response. You are right about Post #34 from the previous day. It isn't addressed specifically to you. However, I'm sure I addressed follow up posts later to you about it. Maybe I'm wrong. Better late then never as they say. I remember clearly when that video debuted. The Grateful Dead had previously posted some teaser videos a month or so before that had struck my curiosity. They seemed prophetic in nature and they scheduled to show the entire "So Far" video this particular Friday night. I had previously recorded the teasers in EP on my VCR. After reviewing them several times I regretted not recording them in SP because I wanted to make copies for friends. This later date I awaited in great anticipation ready to rerecord not only the entire video but other video debuts that were also announced on PBS all in SP. I wanted to see if they had any other prophetic messages and to be able to capture them. PBS was doing a pledge drive at the time and Jerry and the boys intended to put them over the top.
As it turned out, a day or two before the PBS debut show, Brent Mydland, their keyboardist, who was to be highlighted in the new preview videos, was found dead in his apartment from an apparent overdose. I immediately suspected foul play because I know the messages in the videos I saw did not set well with the powers that be. I also couldn't understand how someone could be so careless so close to his television debut. My first gut reaction was that his murder was a warning to The Grateful Dead to knock it off. I also knew that if these music video messages were truly prophetic then this next show would have a powerful one two punch right to the nose of the killers of Brent and the powers that be from an even higher power that be. Of course it could all be a coincidence but in particular "Just a Little Light" certainly fits what I was anticipating.
Like your spiritual experiences as a child, and the experience of many people "Just a Little Light" was a profound experience for me as a young adult. Unlike most such experiences, this was a gift that I can share with you and others. Thanks for checking it out. So many people are afraid of looking divine intervention in the eye. They are afraid because it serves as a threat to their entire world paradigm. I have found that even amongst alleged believers, the vast majority run away like scared rabbits from any evidence that might support their supposed beliefs. I suppose that it is just so much easier to just laugh it off then to take it seriously. Thanks for being stronger than that.
I don't know why that Davies link didn't work. If you look back at some of my post this week you can see where I practically paraphrased the entire book. No exaggerations on my part. What a guy! He is described by others as being very lucky. He describes himself as having led a "charmed" life. Whatever you believe, Davies certainly proves that anything is possible.
If you search google you might want to type in "Mayor of Oakland John L. Davies Autobiography." "Buckaroo" is just a post mortem nickname given to his book. The original title he gave the book was "My Own Story."
The best synopsis I've found for the book is on the amazon website. Go to the website and type in "His Honor The Buckaroo" in the search engine of the site. The image is his favorite ferryboat "The Rosalie" which is on the back of the book. Click on the title of the book and that will take you to the synopsis page.
Thanks for that lesson on Jewish history. I'm glad to hear your point of view. It seems you carry your heritage well and have a very healthy perspective of it.
Again, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to review those two topics. Have a great Sunday! I know I will.
Cheers Alice if only we could take the motives for war itself away !Peace. to readjust the Ethics of humanity Demacratically.The Industrial war complex would grind to a halt. The complex propaganda fed to us as we awake out of the matrix has to Change as Rt and Others slowly but truthfully are begining to achieve.Hard work of so many, as far as we still have to go, is worth Living for. Strive forward Peace Movement. thanks
Yours truly Mr. Unnerved
Fractionally, naturalists are just not going to fit everything into their predetermined definition of the universe and cosmos.
The spiritual world is the real world and the material world, the illusion.
Kend, that's pretty lame. The tanks were pointed at the West, the people of Crimea are overwhelmingly pro Russian and don't need anything pointed at them to get them to vote that way.
The US only "solves" the problems it creates. The US, together with proxies, created the crisis in Kuwait in 1989-90 so it could invade. You don't seriously think the second most oil rich country in the world that, unlike Saudi Arabia, was defiantly asserting its independence and thumbing its nose at the West and the first to nationalize its oil industry in 1973 was going to be left to its own device by the colonial powers of the US and Western Europe, do you?
The UN is only as good as its members and with rogue states like the US, Israel and Western Europe in charge it can't do much more than remonstrate.
I'm all Ukrained out. And I thought we were over this Cold War thing. Our warlords' obsession over "evil Russia" has gotten so old. Let's clean our own house and let them worry about theirs, okay? That's all I've got to say about Russia & Ukraine. So old… Can't we just live our lives in peace, without all these stupid goddam wars?!!! - AIW
Did cold-war-hungry neocons stage manage Liz Wahl's resignation?
1. She had previously worked for Fox News.
2. According to 6 other anchors at RT she had never expressed political opinions. Never seemed concerned about editorial content. Her biggest beef was about her salary. The only time fellow employees saw her express politics was after they watched a commentary by James Kirchick, a senior fellow at FPI (Foreign Policy Initiative) , the neoconservative think-tank that grew out of PNAC (Project for a New American Century).
3. 2 weeks before she quit, she had berated some of her co-workers and screamed at her employer over salary and other non-political things. She was suspended for 2 weeks without pay for unprofessional conduct and demoted from anchor to correspondent.
4. Prior to her quitting RT, she had tried to get a job with Al Jazeera but they turned her down. So much for quitting RT on political principles or patriotic reasons.
5. 19 minutes before Wahl's on-air resignation from RT, James Kirchick tweeted that "you're really going to want to tune in to RT...something really big may be going down". Then 2 minutes before the resignation he again tweeted to urge followers to tune in to RT. Then, at the very moment that she quits FPI's twitter account broke the news: "RT Anchor RESIGN ON AIR. She 'cannot be part of a network that whitewashes the actions of Putin'."
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/how_cold_war-hungry_neocons_stage_ma...
Good weekend to All
If i might referre to the topic of reincarnation as mentioned earlier this week. Palin and to those interested .the Free thought skeptic view on Life after death telepathy reincarnation ofcource would require Impirical data.In my humble attempt to bring together an argument an atheist would consider.my argument for telepathy allowing prophecy is this.
First the big bang theory. doppler shift proof the universe is expanding science believes until further data is discovered. (such as dark matter )somethings pushing something out there?
I will attempt to connect my laymans view of partical science with Steven Hawkings multiverse theory
Palin this is the machine you mentioned that would be required A Nobel prize for being in two places at once | Reuters now follow me out please, particals in brain, Thought could, in the very near future move(and does) say particals (now this happens simutaneously from partical to partical)in the mind of an other. Breaking the speed of Light. Keeping Prof. Einstein in mind, faster than light time travel .now consider prof. Halkings parallel Multiverse Theory.with this faster than light thought presumably travels then access to these future Worlds would be what in Religious communities call Prophecy?
Fractionally Pondering.. thanks All
A referendum with tanks pointed at them. soldiers all over the place. I would think that is what the UN would be for. When a serious international event happens. The UN just sits there waiting for the US to solve the worlds problems. Where was the UN when Iraq invaded Kuiwat? Or when all hell broke loose in Rwanda?
oh by the way I am proud to say Canada just pulled its last troops out of Afganastan. 13 years, over 40,000 soldiers, 22 billion dollars, and 162 dead. Keep in mind Canada has a ten of the population of the US to multiply all those numbers by ten to compare to the US. The UN sent us there for four years then no one else would help except the US years later. Just like Rwanda everyone bailed and left Canada there all alone. Time to let Europe solve the worlds problems.
here we go again though our Prime Minister is in Ukraine right now so guess where we are going next.
Well said Nachos
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Marc, my dear comrade… DUH! No wonder I didn't respond! I just checked out your #34 post in the "C'mon America" thread of March 13th, and I see nothing to identify this as something requiring or needing a response from me specifically. There's no mention of my name anywhere, nor is there any previous post of mine identified that you are responding to. There's lots of other bloggers participating here, as you know, and I thought #34 was inviting a response from anyone who wished to respond. Anyway sorry for the misunderstanding.
The content is indeed familiar to me. I remember reading the lyric to that song. Even though I didn't post a comment, I thought the lyric beautiful and insightful… and wistful, and a little sad.
The Buckaroo sounds familiar as well… but I don't see that listed among the links in #34. I remember reading it though, and thinking Buckaroo an amazing person of many facets and accomplishments. Again, I had no idea you were hoping for me to respond and thought it was simply for anyone to respond. Since receiving your current message, I tried googling Buckaroo again just for a memory refresher, so that I could discuss this more in detail; but all I got was a generic message stating: "We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site."
As to your post #15 on this thread, that's a different story. I knew you were responding to my earlier post about worker-owned cooperatives, but somehow it didn't register that you were expecting a response to your response. Now that that's been clarified, I agree with post #15. I think your point is valid; that cooperatives won't be able to compete without the legal minimum wage raised high enough to be at least comparable to what workers in those cooperatives are paid. I totally get it, and can dredge up no argument. I often get impatient because I want these societal changes so badly; you know… "I want it and I want it now!" kind of thing…. (SIGH)
Now, as for this other thing about me being Jewish, it's really not that big a deal anymore. I've never personally been targeted for being a Jew. I don't look Jewish; I wasn't raised Jewish. For some Jewish people such as myself, it's all about Hebrew Law, and this special heritage that gets passed down through the maternal blood line. My maternal great-grandmother was German Jewish, therefore her daughters (including my maternal grandmother), therefore my mother, right on down to yours truly: Aliceinkosherland! I was actually raised in the Unitarian church. I've done a few Passovers in my day, which I was invited to attend. But for me, it was a social event and a holiday more than something of religious significance, even as I relate to all the symbolism and the metaphors about tyranny and oppression; how some have triumphed against these malevolent forces.
There is very poignant reasoning behind this maternal blood line that customarily determines if one is Jewish. This was established eons ago, in response to all the persecutions and abuses Jewish people have had to endure, including the rape of scores of Jewish women. It is but one of many tactics Jewish people have used throughout the millennia, to preserve some sense of cultural and ethnic integrity, making the children of these rape victims Jewish by identifying as Jewish any individual born to a Jewish woman. That's how I recall it being explained to me 35 years ago, by some devoutly Jewish old friends in Philadelphia, one of which later became a Rabbi.
I mentioned the Jewish facet of my lineage not to draw attention to myself so much as to make a point. It was a semi-joking or satirical way of putting a face on the receiving end of this age-old problem of xenophobia and its consequences. Perhaps it didn't come across as intended. Sorry if I unwittingly sent out the wrong message or was not clear enough on my intentions!
Anywaaaayyyy… this ought cover everything for now Marc! Thanks for calling my attention to your confusion regarding any lack of response perceived from this end. No need to worry; passive aggression ain't my style. Ole Alice lets it all hang out!
Cheers! - AIW
Aliceinwonderland ~ No need to apologize. I've experienced this before with my closest friends and family concerning these--and other--topics. (For thirty years or so now.) I'm not sure if it is a divine hand or what that makes responding on their parts so impossible; yet, I've grown used to it. The mere fact that you've responded at all is quite refreshing. Please take your time looking at those two topics. I'm about to turn in for tonight; but, will check back tomorrow night, and so on, until you can respond. Thanks again! You don't know how much this means to me.
On immigration again I have to side with Ken. I seriously doubt that he has any hatred for Mexicans, Blacks, Chinese, or any other minority; and, I don't mean to speak for him. It is just a fact that until we get our own house in order it is not wise to invite guests. The current policy makers do not appear to consider basic economic theory. If the labor force is increased wages go down. If wages go down, demand goes down. You can't sell without demand. You cannot increase demand without increasing wages. The only way to cure our current economic woes are by increasing wages. You have to increase jobs and decrease labor to increase wages. Yet current economic policy is to decrease jobs and increase labor. That is a double threat. The sum total of this policy will reduce wages--thus demand--and in turn destroy the economy.
Tyranny 101 ~ Get the people to attack each other. Minorities are the major victims of labor exploitation. Therefore if you want to sow discord you create the illusion that minorities are creating the problem. People who are sympathetic to minorities will attack anyone who seems to be attacking minorities. Always remember that this is exactly what our real enemies want us to do. It takes a constant effort to remember that we are all being played. When emotions flare people tend to think with their emotions and not their brains. We must be very careful of this because we are a very racially divided nation; and, as such, our enemies will use this fact to their advantage. We must think before we react. That requires a cool head and a total understanding of the con that is being pulled over our collective eyes. Our policy is the problem; not any of our brothers in labor. Let us remember that. Let us also remember that united we stand, divided we fall!
Koolnightes ~ Well said! I'll second that mental test!! It should be a genuine requirement for any job; and, a standard in career counseling in every school.
I also second that Sanders/Warren dream ticket. We can dream, can't we?
Marc, I'm shocked and baffled. Mind you, this isn't stated adversarially or with sarcasm. Up 'til now I knew absolutely nothing of these posts you speak of, that you sent directed to me. I would never deliberately ignore anyone unless that person has somehow alienated me, which you certainly haven't. If you'd be so kind as to give me adequate time to do so, I'll be happy to respond.
Could it be that for some mysterious, unfathomable reason I failed to recognize these were addressed specifically to me? If so, my heartfelt apologies. - Aliceinwonderland
The Russians are coming!
Kend, Russia didn't "just walk in and take half of Ukraine". That was done by referendum. The United States just tried to take over Ukraine with a CIA orchestrated coup. The United States always ignores the UN and does whatever it wants.