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Kend says "You have to understand states have budgets."
News flash: single payer not only saves lives; it saves MONEY too! So please, spare us the serenade over "massive expense" and "What do you want them [the feds] to do…?" What we want them to do, Kend, is stop coddling the damn extortionists and put people's lives before profit. No more useless paper pushing saves money! No more advertising saves money! No more bullshit barriers to care, designed to exclude those who can't pay, which saves money and lives! Just plain old uninterrupted, unadulterated HEALTH CARE for ALL, without all that expensive, useless, tedious bureaucracy!! Our current system is indefensible; not only morally but financially.
What do we want the feds - our public servants - to do? Their jobs. - Aliceinwonderland
this is what happens when laws are pushed through with emotion rather that logic. Before completely changing health care for 330 million shouldn't all of the loop holes be thought through. This was pushed through with very little thought. Nancy Pelosi said herself she didn't know Completely what was it it when she voted for it.. I think everyone would agree America needed a change with there health care delivery. But I think logic was thrown away with emotion. You have to understand states have budgets. When basically over night the Feds force a massive exspence like this what do you want them to do. I think maybe try this system on one state first if it is as good as you say then all states would follow. Come to think of it didn't one try it. Oh ya that was the replublican that ran against Obama
Answers to "age-old" questions were answered, in part, by men of logic and reason..men of science...who were burned at the stake or imprisoned by men of superstition and ignorance. It's too bad that this disease of the mind has never been cured in all people. Superstition and ignorance still thrives in people who can't, or won't, understand science. They fall for the old tricks and it can easily be the last trick they ever learn. Even Steve Jobs, Apple Founder and CEO, thought he could fight his disease with alternative medicine cures...but, obviously, it didn't work. Modern medicine could have prolonged his life yet this man who was smart enough to create a company like Apple (he was worth about $8 billion when he died) wasn't "smart?" enough to turn to real medicine instead of quack medicine. Believing in nonsense just put him in the grave much sooner than if he'd availed himself of science instead of superstition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs
I appreciate your argument and presentation. Solid picture is seen about Abby Huntsman as well as the wall street banksters. I hope to know more about it.
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Yeah, like "God helps those who help themselves", right? But, there is no good reason to believe that God even exists. Going somewhere that God almighty cannot...presupposes that God exits. And there is just no good evidence to support that.
Ms. Necker, I can come up with two reasons: (1) The poorer they are, the more jobs they have to maintain just to cover the barest necessities; therefore they are too harried & busy to read, or stay abreast of the issues. (2) This corporate-fascist hijacking of our media, which is really just a thinly disguised propaganda racket designed to brainwash rather than inform the public. Keep telling the same old lies long enough and eventually, people start believing them! So in the sheeples' realm of reality, black is white (or vice versa), bitter is sweet, cold is hot, down is up; or in other words, greed is a virtue, corporations are people, healthcare is a privilege, fascism is "freedom" and money is speech. - Aliceinwonderland
Mark Saulys and Aliceinwonderland ~ It should appear to you both by now what I've known for some time.. Palindromedary is as close minded and inaccessible on this subject as any closed minded religious fanatic is. Perhaps it is his natural reaction to some horrendous stimuli at some time during his life. What ever it is, this man cannot be reasoned with concerning this subject. Please keep this in mind when engaging in dialogue with him in the future.
My experience has been--and perhaps yours as well--that divine intervention needs no human assistance. I particularly hold this against Church missionaries historically. How arrogant can you be to assume that you can go somewhere that God almighty cannot. In this respect, I respectfully request that we all remind ourselves that if God wants to influence the likes of Palindromedary, he/she does not require our assistance. In fact, only through direct influence from the higher order would someone like Palindromedary ever seriously pay attention.
With that, I respectfully--with all who are participating in this discussion--end my participation.
Even Saint George Carlin was mean! [PBUH-Peace Be Upon Him]....except... he's dead! Is the word "peace" even meaningful when your dead? They might even try to say he was a religious man in some fantastical abortion of facts..like they do with other great men. He has ticked off a lot of people from certain sectors, for sure. Perhaps, that's because they don't have a sense of humor? The fear is, perhaps, that the jokes are more truth-telling that they would like. It's not so much what you say as it is how you say it. On the internet, it's not always so easy to indicate that you are joking. But, for some people, you can't even joke around with them....especially if it strikes a nerve. Like, for example, when someone claims that "the paranormal is real" or "scientifically proven" or something like that.. ;-}
note: the ;-} is a symbol indicating I am winking and smiling...indicating I am joking. Even poking fun at myself here! Get it? Well, that "paranormal is real" phrase was probably not meant as a joke though.
Why do people vote against their own interests? Seems like the poorer they are, the more likely they are to vote republicant.
http://www.skepdic.com/truebeliever.html
I look at all these casualties of our privatized, for-profit healthcare extortion racket as murder victims. Politicians from both parties, who are responsible for their deaths, are the murderers. And Thom, it's both parties! Why let the Democrats off the hook?! Max Baucus is no Republican, but he's as slimy a fascist as any of them. I even think our president is partially responsible for these needless tragedies. After all, if we had the single-payer system we all need and deserve, folks like Charlene Dill would still be alive. Let's not forget, Obama invited those no-count insurance hacks to "The Table" while single-payer advocates were kept out of the discussion! That is something I cannot forgive. Ms. Dill's death is doubly tragic because it could - and should - have been avoided. So now we have a young mother with most of her life still before her, sacrificed at the altar of Big Money! Talk about death panels...
My husband and I are lucky. Because we live in Oregon, we get to benefit from Medicaid. Alleleuyah! But we still need single payer, and we need it NOW. - Aliceinwonderland
Yep! Lots of murder going on all over, and much of it can be traced directly to the rich and powerful. The Koch's oil refineries cause kidney cancer, leukemia, serious lung problems you name it....people die! I certainly could go on and on about food additives, Monsanto's RoundUp, Tea publican austerity and poverty....people die, it's a fact....yet if I walk up and punch David Koch or Rick Scott, I'm considered violent and will be arrested for assault????? It's all murder, it's not accidental!
Yes, I agree and thank you for taking a strong position. To be a Republican today, one must be rich, cruel, or ignorant, and these categories are not mutually exclusive. After witnessing today’s Republican agenda, I’ve gone so far as saying that the Republicans and the Righteous are mutually exclusive. Of course, I’m referring to the current Republican Agenda, and forgive the individual honest Republican, especially the Eisenhower Republicans, who are struggling to take their Republican Party back.
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How Colorado disrupted the Drug War pando.com
“If marijuana use rates increase among adults, that’s not going to be a significant problem because marijuana is not associated with major health and safety problems,” he says. “This is the key point: people should not necessarily think of adults using marijuana as a bad thing. People who are scared of marijuana think all use is abuse, and we are trying to get them to understand that there is a very big difference. Some people use marijuana much like they have a glass of wine. It’s not abuse and it’s not a problem.”
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It is always quoted that "Forgiveness is necessary for one's own good." There are some things in this world which seem to me to be unforgiveable; this kind of deliberate abuse of hard-working people should never be forgiven. Rather, it must be rectified. And this can happen only when people open their eyes and vote in ways which benefit ALL the people - not just the ones who can afford whatever they need and play golf whenever they want.
Emphatically, NO! We have a separation of church and state, and an employer should not be empowered to impose her/his beliefs on an employee.
That SOB criminal and all the rethugs who pretend to look out for Floridians need to be beaten to within an inch of their lives. Damn It! Why do we put up with this shit.
Palin, on this issue of religion and theism, it seems that nothing I've said to you has had any impact. You really need to lighten up. None of us has the answers to these age-old questions. A little humility & diplomacy would be more appropriate in response to matters of theology or the "supernatural". Otherwise, as Mark points out, your dogmatism and rigidity make you no different than these religious assholes you love to hate. - Alice I.W.
That doesn't sound like an apology to me, Palin. "Awwww... did I hurt your widddow feewings? Gee I'm sowwy..." Why are you being so mean?!
Marc, your feral cat story hit a chord with me. Back in '04, my husband and I adopted a stray mama cat and her two kittens. To make a long story short, the mama ran off and vanished when the kittens (a black male and gray female) were almost full-grown. The female, who we named Gracie, gave birth to a litter of three female kittens before she was six months old. We had 'em all spayed & neutered, vaccinated, etc. We loved them and they became part of our little family. But in the years that followed, one by one, they got creamed on the street or simply vanished. Gracie was the last to disappear without a trace, the summer of 2012. (SIGH) It had taken us years to win her trust enough to be able to pat her; she had been way more skittish and wild than her brother Moonshine.
I love cats; I love their wildness and beauty and love allowing them their freedom to come and go. But I am no longer willing to let them be hit by cars or killed by dogs. When I adopt another couple of 'em eventually, I think I'll have to keep them indoors. What a drag. But I really miss having them around. If we adopt two, they'll at least have each other for company. - Aliceinwonderland
"Ckrob" - Agreed! And I'm more than fed up with these "genteel" Dems, who should be raising hell right now. How about calling a spade an axe... or a guillotine!
Thom is right. Republicans are killers. But as I see it, the "genteel" silence of the Democrats is a form of betrayal. - Aliceinwonderland
P.S. "jkh", well put! I've made the exact same point for years about death panels. Isn't it ironic how the defenders of "pay-or-die" are who invented that cute little tag line, in an effort to define government-funded healthcare! This is a classic case of projection, since death panels are what "pay-or-die" is all about.
Palindromedary ~ No, my friend, you have again, like so many times before, completely misread everything I was talking about. Let me repeat it as clearly as possible: My observation has been, that many people who claim to believe in God and do practice faith in churches are actually atheist in disguise. I am not talking about you.
Many of these so called "believers" I have come into contact with believe in nothing more than being seen by many in church to fuel their looking glass self of church self-esteem. Church self-esteem is really all that religion means to them. When pressed, they actually don't take any of the church's teachings or scripture seriously at all. The words they memorize and repeat over and over in church are completely meaningless to them. All they really believe in is themselves. They are atheist at heart who are ashamed to admit it and cloke it under a guise of religious fanaticism to make themselves feel like they are better than others. They disgust me. Henceforth why I have already stated twice and will state again, I'd prefer an honest atheist to an devout hypocrite any day of the week. I consider you to be an honest atheist--quite refreshing.
Perhaps you are skimming over what I am writing and assuming that I am attacking you. Big mistake. Your responses show how poorly you listen to anyone whose opinion might not agree with you. Like a scared little rabbit.
As far as the proof I was refering to I already shared it on this blog. If you still don't want to believe it that's just fine with me. But please don't ignore it and say it doesn't exist. Repeatedly asking the same questions is something I would more expect from Kend than you.
Review post #48 in this blog addressed to Aliceinwonderland and the succeeding posts to her to view the two pieces of evidence that I have shared here.
The "Just A Little Light" video debut and The Autobiography of John L. Davies, the life of a man who himself stated that he, "Lived a Charmed life." Both are clear evidence that suggests a higher power at work. If you chose to sum up the evidence as coincidence and luck that is your call. To me that conclusion isn't rational. Coincidence and luck just doesn't cover it for me.
sarah palin & michelle bachmann were right about government death panels.
THEY are the republican legislators and governors who are rejecting the medicaid expansion and closing down women's health clinics.
Palindromedary ~ Well, at least your sense of humor is improving. That last one had me rolling on the floor. No, I'm not a vegetarian or vegan; and, yes, there may be some hypocrisy in there. A neighbor of mine has a chicken coop; and, just a few days ago I was standing in his yard and petting one of his chickens. I too, who love chickens, must admit that it felt a little awkward. After all the chickens I've eaten in my life, not once did this domesticated one try to bite me. Of course, these aren't eating chickens but egg laying chickens. There is a difference you know. My neighbor thought it odd that I wasn't afraid to touch the chicken. He said most people he invites over are afraid to touch them--perhaps out of guilt? I don't know. However, I couldn't help but think to myself, "If you are afraid of a chicken, what kind of a coward does that make you?"
Oh well! Apology accepted!
Aliceinwonderland ~ That is a major decision. Considering the traffic where you live I would only consider indoor cats. Been there done that. You might want to look for an indoor breed since most cats are irresistibly drawn to the outdoors. We have a brood of cats. That's 10 or more. The actual number is constantly in flux. We started with one little kitty we adopted from relatives. We then added another that was going to be abandoned in the street as a kitten by other relatives. Around that same time some feral cats occupied the garage of a vacant house across the street. (We live on a very quite street with hardly any traffic.) My softy wife made the mistake of feeding the mother. The next thing we knew the entire litter moved into our backyard. We trapped the mother but failed to get it to the vet on time. we had to let her go. As a result, she had two more litters before I could figure out a way to trap her again and finally get her fixed. Along the way we managed to trap up all the kittens and get them fixed. The City of Oakland has a trap and fix program that fixes ferals you bring in for free. You just have to prove they are feral; and, if they are indeed feral, that fact is obvious to a trained vet.
So now we live in harmony with our extended family. No more surprises on the horizon--I hope--and everyone gets along with each other--mostly. Somewhere along the way one of the ferals got so close to my wife that she now lives indoors in harmony with us. We call her "Pinto" and she has taken over the place of smartest kitty of all--perhaps the smartest cat I've ever seen. She loves to extend her paws and cross them posing for the cutest pictures. She is really attached to my wife and rolls over on command to let her brush her belly. She also knows how to knock on the door when she wants to come in and go out. I swear she understands what we say as well. She listens and does exactly what we tell her to perfectly.
Recently a ridiculously cute and very young, furry little grey kitten suddenly appeared at our back door step. We have no idea how she got here. (Probably rejected by the parents of some of the kids up the street who decided to abandon her on the doorstep of the local kitty shelter--us.) We named her "Kiki," and now she's stealing all the attention. We haven't quite tamed her yet but she entertains us every morning staring at us through the window until she loses her balance and falls onto the porch. Sometimes she tries to jump through the window only to bounce off the glass. So far on occasion she ventures through the door when we leave it open for her and spends a little time with us in the house. In the past week she has allowed both of us to pet her for brief periods of time. Perhaps she will become our fourth house cat in the future. I hope she gets along with the others. Even though still a kitten, she's very bossy; and, all the other ferals outside seem to fear her. None of the remaining outside feral cats care to come anywhere near us. That works out for both of us. The backyard was overrun with rats when we bought the house. Now the entire neighborhood is free of the menace; and, we have enough cat food stored in our garage to feed us both in an emergency for months. Everybody's happy!