IT DEPENDS on which matter /issue...........HEALTH care of employees is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

In anycase , it was WRONG to have EMPLOYER BASED Health Insurance.

America was EXCEPTIONALLY STUPID on this issue of Health Care.............the rest of the world is doing better on this issue.

Obama was too timid and because of what happened to Hillarycare........he decided to go ROMNEYCARE.

I WISH at least he came out and made a speech about how SINGLE PAYER might have been better SIMPLER and LESS COSTLY.

Can you imagine having to ENROLL every year ! what a pain in the neck!

I really hate STUPIDITY.

I see lots of solutions to the symptoms. I don't see any inquiry or investigation into what the problem is. All of these symptoms point to one thing. The way we think. Thought is the problem. Anyone care to explore?

In Earth's long history its climate has never stopped changing. As far I understand, once climate stops changing, it means the planet is dead. We are all aware that in its millions of years of existence the planet has been subjected to many catastrophic changes caused by meteors, continental plates movement, sun spots, what have you. In time, the planet's climate rebalances itself. Will it do so again in spite of mankind's activites on the surface and underground? Probably. Life is persistent. How long will it take? Anyone's guess. Oh, I have a little question: How do we know for certain the earth is not heating up from its core?

Quote damondm:What countries need to be doing - right now - is mitigating the devistation, building desalination plants in countries that are and will be soon without water, and moving towards the adapatation of our economic system. It will be done for us - and to us- anyway, or humanity can move forward by controling the change that is coming.

damondm ~ Well said! However, there is another way we can clean the atmosphere and save ourselves that is very inexpensive and progressive:

http://thehempsolution.blogspot.com/

Very well said, Damondm!

Quote Damondm:The increase in temp is coming from the chem trails of every car and coal fired power plant in our nation and the world. Its true, much of the increase in temperature is "baked into the cake" with current and past emmissions, but as the planet warms the tundra will begin to rot, sending huge amounts of methane into the atmosphere. Methane is more potent then carbon and will send us into an unforseen future.

And just wait when all those frozen dinosaurs thaw out! ;-} But serious, I'm more worried about the microscopic creatures that thaw out. We may, some day, see terrible plagues from what gets thawed out in our frozen waste lands.

Thom hit the mark bringing in the quote from Studs T., a man who wrote about the The Worst Hard Time in our counties history. More people should read Turkel's work...

The increase in temp is coming from the chem trails of every car and coal fired power plant in our nation and the world. Its true, much of the increase in temperature is "baked into the cake" with current and past emmissions, but as the planet warms the tundra will begin to rot, sending huge amounts of methane into the atmosphere. Methane is more potent then carbon and will send us into an unforseen future.

What countries need to be doing - right now - is mitigating the devistation, building desalination plants in countries that are and will be soon without water, and moving towards the adapatation of our economic system. It will be done for us - and to us- anyway, or humanity can move forward by controling the change that is coming.

So, right you are, DAnnemarc! And yes, I had heard of that fluoride conspiracy theory as well. But, I don't remember what it was that conspiracy theorists thought was bad about it. That was a long time ago ...going around, I believe, in the 60's or was it the 50's? That was also about the time when "they" were trying to say that UNICEF was not raising money for children but for some Communist activity...the Communists were behind it and that we shouldn't contribute.

But, I believe that they were putting very tiny amounts of fluoride in the water because they found that fluoride in those tiny amounts would help to fight tooth decay. Now, I don't really know if that is true. And, maybe the Commies were behind UNICEF...but it sure sounds pretty ridiculous.

I'm sure that most chemicals can are are very dangerous in sufficient amounts. But those same chemicals might also be beneficial in very low doses. In fact, the gout pills I have to take sometimes are, I believe I read once, poison and could kill me if I took too many. Well, I guess even aspirin would do that too! In fact, you could probably even overdose on milk or bananas. I once read where someone ate quite a few bunches of bananas all at once and it killed him. Bananas tend to make you have constipation if you eat too many. In fact, if you drink too much water you can die from too much water on the brain. My doctor told me that many, many years ago when I was trying to "flush out my system".

Mark, I'll not begrudge you your opinion, but I don't happen to share it. Sorry.

I have never believed any animal has existed solely for my pleasure. For you to suggest this is presumptuous. None of our cats have been "couch pillows" or "ornaments". That last batch we had were the direct result of a stray mama cat who left her two kittens with us and vanished. There was none of the heart-wrenching drama you've described. After they were fixed, they continued living very normal feline lives: hunting, playing, defending their turf; everything felines do except procreating. Hardly the kind of lethargic, sedentary existence you've described! And Gracie was never separated from her three daughters... not by us anyway. Two were hit by cars. The one that survived the longest (Polly) happened to be the one Gracie didn't get along with too well. Their little cat spats began while Polly was still a kitten. It got worse as Polly matured. Polly ran off eventually, never to return. We strongly suspect it was because her mother won the turf wars.

Getting these animals fixed was an act of kindness on our part. One unsprayed female can result in literally tens of thousands of kittens born within just a few years. That's an awful lot of strays. And in this artificial environment humans have created, the life of a stray cat is short and brutal. The number of these animals euthanized at the shelter each year is mind blowing, not to mention heart breaking, and many are still babies when they're killed. I've never been that thrilled about spaying & neutering, but have always thought of it as the lesser evil. Such is life, Mark. We sometimes have to make decisions when the only options available leave something to be desired. As I see it, these animals are better off not being born at all than destined for such a cruel fate.

Sounds to me like you've projected an awful lot of human traits onto that tom cat you just described. "Studying insect zoology"? Mechanically inclined? Imitating human speech? Gimmie a break. Any un-neutered tom cat who doesn't like to fight would have to be a very rare phenomenon. I've lived with these animals most of my life. Never have I seen a tom who still had his gonads and didn't like to fight. When they do fight, their wounds typically develop infections that, if left untreated, are ultimately fatal. And it's a slow, painful death. On more than one occasion we've had to come to the aid of cats with abscesses like these, who (with our help) barely survived. And it wasn't pretty. After getting ole Beejay home from the vet's, where he'd had his abscess lanced, we kept him alive by hydrating him with a water dropper several times a day. He didn't eat for close to three weeks and was down to just skin & bone before his appetite finally kicked in again. We went through that ordeal with Beejay two or three times. And he was fixed! Just not soon enough. His previous human companion never did the honors, and Beejay was already an adult before we had his nubs nipped.

Regarding that feline family we adopted a decade ago, I offer no apologies. We did what we believed to be the kindest, most responsible thing. I'm grateful we had the means to do it at the time.

To associate our relationships with cats to patriarchy and human slavery is quite a stretch, Mark, and that's saying it politely. - Aliceinwonderland

Quote Palindromedary:Man, all they have to do is start another war somewhere to kill part of the populations (of both sides). And they are already putting chemicals in our food and genetically modifying food into plastic tasting tomatoes.

Palindromedary ~ Very true! However, you didn't mention the fact that they put all kinds of stuff in our water too. After all, the water supply is any populations biggest vulnerability. There is another way out conspiracy theory floating around--I don't know if you've heard about--concerning the flouride in our water. I states that fluoride used to be used to kill rats. Now it is added to our drinking water in order to dumb us down. If so, it seems to be working. Do you know anything about that one?

Personally I think professional sports and beer commercials are specifically designed to dumb us down, and do a much better job of it; but, that's just me.

Oh, so you don't dispute that but you think that "they" are putting something else in the contrails...perhaps mixing it in with the jet fuel? Most "chemicals" would be burned up with the fuel.

Man, all they have to do is start another war somewhere to kill part of the populations (of both sides). And they are already putting chemicals in our food and genetically modifying food into plastic tasting tomatoes. At least the corn still tastes pretty good. And most of us are eating that stuff..so why do they need to spray us from above. And above all, I haven't seen any of the ruling elite wearing haz-mat suits and respirators...oh yeah, I already said that once. Maybe it needs to be repeated more often though. It might just sink in with repetition.

The last link I quoted also goes on to say that some remote ideas of using contrails to do things like seeding clouds for rain, or possibly trying to block the sun for the purpose of slowing down or even reversing Global Warming (although the soot and other fuel burn by products tend to add to the Global Warming problem). Some conspiracy theorists also have the idea that "chemtrails" are being used by the military, in conjuction with HAARP, for some nefarious program against the people.

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it! ;-}