I want to propose a different view of the reason for the difference between "exclusively social welfare" in the Statute at Large which underlies IRC sec. 501(c)(4), and the related IRS Regulation using the much broader term "predominately social welfare" in relation to such tax exempt organizations.
I believe the real reason for that difference is to mislead applicants that actually fit within "exclusively social welfare"organizations which thereby would not be subject to any "approval" by IRS or any other government agency, to mistakenly apply for approval of a lesser suspect status of "predominately social welfare". The latter which allows a discretionary review and approval, with any level of discretionary delay and abuse of process from agents of the IRS.
Simply put, those organizations that by Sworn affirmation could truthfully claim "exclusively social welfare"organization status per the Statute would be by the words of the Statute beyond the jurisdiction to be approved or disapproved by IRS or any other goverment agency unless there was "probable cause" to believe the claim was not true. Whereas one admitting up front to a mixed suspect activity of some taxable and some none taxable activities, implied by "predominately social welfare" would then be in effect asking to be investigated, with a presumption that they do not fit the exemption requirements of the Statute.
In my opinion this was simply another way to garner unauthorized power to the IRS to interfere where it has no factual Statutory jurisdiction, by misdirection or misrepresentation against the People to waive the rights to due process of the plainly worded Statute, and instead be bound by an overbroad Regulation. Door now open to unequal treatment, delay, and corruption.
Ron Dillon--Graham County Human Rights Association. All First Amendment Rights reserved.
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Has anyone considered that the IRS was giving preferential treatment to the tea party people?
My understanding is that they were identified and pulled out of line and their paper work may have gone out ahead of others in line. I also understand that none have been denied the non profit status and only a progressive group has been so denied. Further, I understand that while applications have gone up significantly, personnel to handle them has gone down. I have heard that the concern is that these applications are being processed slowly but in comparison to what? Are progressive groups being processed faster or are they back in line waiting to even begin the process? Until there are more answers to these questions, I believe it is just as likely that the tea party groups are getting preferential treatment as it is that they are being discriminated against.
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Yesterday 5/14 on C-SPAN Washingtom Journal they had a woman who was a member of a Tea Party group from Georgia as a guest. She said the letter sent out by the IRS was so chilling they did not air an ad they made. A brilliant caller (must have been one of your listners) asked her if she pulled an ad they made wasn't she addmitting to what the IRS was looking into? It was too funny, You can find Washington Journal shows on the C-SPAN web site.
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Move to amend has little to do with the IRS scandel. The whole mess has political roots all over it and Mr. Holder is gonna try to wash everything clean for the democrats. Wait and see, Holder needs jail time along with 10 other high level crooks.
Why the Democrats keep falling for the Republican lies and nonsense and abandoning common sense is the $64,000 question. They caved on filibusters - GOP lied. Caving on Social Security cuts - GOP lies. Caved on sequester - more GOP lies. How many times do they have to be hit on the head with phony promises before they get the picture? How many times does Obama have to be duped, before he figures out that you make nice with the GOP - you're going to get burned. They don't want to be pals. Get a clue! This just makes Obama look weak, stupid, or like he's sold out. His so called legacy--???-- May very well be that the best he could do was put the brakes on a far right wing congress, but at what costs? Worst of all, it plays right into the hands of the racist right, and racist stereotypes. It could make it very, very difficult for any minority to be elected president again for a very very long time.
Yes, yes speak out. He's got nothing left to lose by standing up and speaking out. Push toward the election in 2014 - throw out the bums that are holding back jobs, the safety net, letting banks run amok, and throwing our planet under the bus.
Are you kidding me! What, are these the new talking points out of the "catch me if you can" thugs in the Obama administration? "It is not our fault, these are not the drones you are looking for". The Supreme Court did it. One day you trumpet the power of freedom of the press but most other days you fear holding your government officials accountable for their actions. The politically motivated Bengazi lies and cover ups, phone tapping of the AP, IRS thugs, and next will be EPA thugs. this corrupt Obama administration is unravelling and you want to protect and cover for these phony political hacks. Government administrations must be held accountable for their actions and the press has a duty to make that happen. Can't wait until the IRS gets their dirty hands into Obamacare next year.
Oh how soon they forget the dirty business of Bush & Co. Those thugs entered our military family home while we were away one day (we smelled cigarette smoke in our home--we do not smoke and our home has NEVER been smoked in by anyone since it was built) tapped our phone (and those of PEACE GROUPS to which we belonged)--the hollow background sound--and internet; there was this funny line on my screen (and we were not permitted access to "certain" websites) that appeared after we found out our son was going to serve in Iraq--an unmarked "telephone" truck pulled up to our rural port "worked" on it--there were no new homes to hook up or reported outages by our neighbors, but ours was the one targeted for "work." The line on my screen (still have the same computer screen) disappeared and the phone went back to normal when President Obama was elected.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and the babies are crying "FOUL." It's all part of the Rethuglican plot to regain power. They play like schoolyard bullies who whine when the tables are turned on them.
I can't believe it Thom didn't blame Bush or Reagan somehow it must be there fault for the IRS Spying on the right. Isn't it always there fault.
Here we go again giving Obama and his staff a free pass.
Dear Thom;
I want to propose a different view of the reason for the difference between "exclusively social welfare" in the Statute at Large which underlies IRC sec. 501(c)(4), and the related IRS Regulation using the much broader term "predominately social welfare" in relation to such tax exempt organizations.
I believe the real reason for that difference is to mislead applicants that actually fit within "exclusively social welfare"organizations which thereby would not be subject to any "approval" by IRS or any other government agency, to mistakenly apply for approval of a lesser suspect status of "predominately social welfare". The latter which allows a discretionary review and approval, with any level of discretionary delay and abuse of process from agents of the IRS.
Simply put, those organizations that by Sworn affirmation could truthfully claim "exclusively social welfare"organization status per the Statute would be by the words of the Statute beyond the jurisdiction to be approved or disapproved by IRS or any other goverment agency unless there was "probable cause" to believe the claim was not true. Whereas one admitting up front to a mixed suspect activity of some taxable and some none taxable activities, implied by "predominately social welfare" would then be in effect asking to be investigated, with a presumption that they do not fit the exemption requirements of the Statute.
In my opinion this was simply another way to garner unauthorized power to the IRS to interfere where it has no factual Statutory jurisdiction, by misdirection or misrepresentation against the People to waive the rights to due process of the plainly worded Statute, and instead be bound by an overbroad Regulation. Door now open to unequal treatment, delay, and corruption.
Ron Dillon--Graham County Human Rights Association. All First Amendment Rights reserved.
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Move to amend has little to do with the IRS scandel. The whole mess has political roots all over it and Mr. Holder is gonna try to wash everything clean for the democrats. Wait and see, Holder needs jail time along with 10 other high level crooks.
Why the Democrats keep falling for the Republican lies and nonsense and abandoning common sense is the $64,000 question. They caved on filibusters - GOP lied. Caving on Social Security cuts - GOP lies. Caved on sequester - more GOP lies. How many times do they have to be hit on the head with phony promises before they get the picture? How many times does Obama have to be duped, before he figures out that you make nice with the GOP - you're going to get burned. They don't want to be pals. Get a clue! This just makes Obama look weak, stupid, or like he's sold out. His so called legacy--???-- May very well be that the best he could do was put the brakes on a far right wing congress, but at what costs? Worst of all, it plays right into the hands of the racist right, and racist stereotypes. It could make it very, very difficult for any minority to be elected president again for a very very long time.
Yes, yes speak out. He's got nothing left to lose by standing up and speaking out. Push toward the election in 2014 - throw out the bums that are holding back jobs, the safety net, letting banks run amok, and throwing our planet under the bus.
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Now the shoe is on the other foot and the babies are crying "FOUL." It's all part of the Rethuglican plot to regain power. They play like schoolyard bullies who whine when the tables are turned on them.