My great grandmother who past away from "natural causes", aka "old age" at the age of 98 back in 1996 was from a time period when there wasn't a such thing as "processed food" and Genetically Modified/Engineered. Everything was bought or grown fresh, eaten fresh or canned for storage. Even as a young boy I remember her prepairing foods from scratch...She made THE BEST homemade peanut butter cookies.
How sad...Society (you, me, etc.) is so caught up in "making" a dollar, which doesn't come easy and, let's face it, has no value, that we count on someone else to prepair our food for us. And to do so is on such a GRAND scale that it takes corporations like Monsantos, ConAg, Dupont, etc to do so...How else can McDonalds, Taco Bell, and KFC, etc serve a billion people a day!?!? How else can commercial grocery stores keep a stock of tomatoes, corn, green beans, etc. year round?
For over 20 years - I am 41 - I have questioned such corporate mass production of agriculture. When I grow/pick my own organic vine ripe tomatoes I have to eat them, prepair, or can them within 3 days other wise they go bad. Most commercial tomatoes (hot house) have been off the vine for over a week before they make it to the grocery store for sale...Their colour is bright, skin unblemmished...but they have no flavour...These are not tomatoes! What are they???Genetically Engineered.
Quote delster: Recently the Dahli Lama during a lecture in Portland Oregon announced that our concern should be for the good of all society instead of for profit.
Yes, my friend, who can argue with the Dalai Lama. The good of all indeed should be all of our goals; and, nothing else.
My, brother, I pray you enjoy greater success with your fitness regimen. Good health and happiness, always!!
It's ridiculous that the Supreme Court wouldn't recognize the difference between seeds and other patented products. When Monsanto's products are used as recommended, they makes copies of themselves. So how can it be illegal to use the product to make copies of it? All patents on life forms should be voided.
I have discovered I have stage two kidney disease. My kidneys do not have the ability to deal with the kind of nutritian widely available today from restaurants. and grocery stores. I discovered this through exercise as a result of my inability to sustain a level of performance even though I've been exercising for over 30 years. My blood lacks enough red blood cells to deliver enough oxygen to my muscles. I complained to my DR. who ran blood tests which revealed my problem. It is like the inverse of blood doping for an athlete. I restricts my performance and makes it near impossilbe for me to lose weight.
This is a result of processed food and genetically altered food which my kidneys cannot deal with. I now have to restrict animal protien from my diet becuase of the way animals are fed, I cannot drink any soda because of HFCS, and I'm pretty much a vergitarian. The vegies I consume have to be organically grown. As a result of diet I now have increased endurance for aerobic exercise for longer durations and my red blood cell count is normal. The diet is not easy to maintain and grocery shopping is more time consuming. Pretty cool Huh ! All as a result of PIG corporations who put profit above human concern. Recently the Dahli Lama during a lecture in Portland Oregon announced that our concern should be for the good of all society instead of for profit. I remember that being the basis for the consitution unless the constitution has changed.
Currently we are havng a ballot for flouridating the water in Portland Oregon when most tooth decay is a result bad nutrition. And why would a dentist support such a ballot measure ? The deck of justice is definitely stacked against us. Justice in the US is biased toward the top 1% of anyone in the world. The bottom line for most US citizens is to watch what you eat and who's preparing it for you and who is growing and processing the food.
Here in S.W. Florida, MARKSULYS, I have noticed an increase in local Farmers Markets that offer a large selection of locally grown organic fruits, veggies, eggs, dairy, and herbs. Educated/Conscience consumers are the reason.
In the tri-county area where I live there are 5 local farms, and over a dozen Farmers markets, many of which are owned and opperated by the Quakers. Some are even open 6 days a weeks while others are only on certain days. Not only is the food 100%organic (meaning No Spray, and NonGMO), but the prices are much lower, i.e. .99c/lb for tomatoes instead of the $2.99/lb that you pay in the corporate grocery chains.
...a step in the right direction.
KEND...There is waaaaay more to life than "buisness". However it doesn't surprise me that you - a Right Wing Corporate Capitalist, (is it fair to say Christian too?) - would take the side of corporate greed.
The good news is there is a growing number of people - with a conscience - of all ages and from all walks of life that are organizing against greedy companies such as Monsantos, DuPont, ConAg, BP, Exon, GE, Wal-Mart, etc. More and more people, Left and Right, are seeing the demise of unregulated Capitalism. It is true that for now these corporations are getting away with "murder", but it isn't anything that hasn't been seen before in this country...Companies wanting to take take take without any concern for the wellbeing of mankind; all that is important is making a profit by any means necessary...Screw the enviroment, screw life, screw fair trade, as long as they - the greedy Robber Barons - keep the board members/share holders rich...I wonder who these swine are???Could it be members of Congress...the Supreme Court...You!?!?
No matter...The days of Corporate Personhood and unregulated Capitalism are doomed. That much I am sure of.
So go ahead Kend, rape and pillage, take all you can; cause that's all that matters...Right???Lots of money and "things".
Here's the real reason that Monsanto want to keep its patent--and why it's a bad idea:
I'm quoting from another source:
What makes Monsanto different is its US seed monopoly. Well documented by market authorities, Plaintiffs point out that, “Over 85-90% of all soybeans, corn, cotton, sugar beets and canola grown in the U.S. contains Monsanto’s patented genes.”
Through its monopoly, Monsanto has spiked the cost of seeds. In the past decade, corn seed prices increased 135% and soybean prices 108%, the suit asserts. As recently as 1997, soybean farmers spent only 4-8% of their income on seeds, “while in 2009, farmers who planted transgenic soybeans spent 16.4 percent of their income on seeds.”
That's a singularly selfish point of view. This patent does not allow their patented seeds to simply reproduce themselves; you know, plant a seed and you get a crop and use the seeds from that to plant next season's crop. Are you familiar with this process? Monsanto has created these seeds so that they do not reproduce. Monsanto playing GOD. Did you know that companies are trying to put a patent on your genes? You like that idea?
As bad as politics is, it cannot be reduced to the pot calling the kettle black. That's just a tactic. Most politics goes on behind the scenes and played by those who stand to benefit from it--like Monsanto, the oil and gas companies, the mining companies, big ag, and hundreds of others.
There should be a proviso in the patent language that genetically modified products must not combine with non-modified organisms if the modifications will carry over into progeny. If these modified attributes become part of the pool of wild genes, as witnessed in samplings, then there should be no protection under the law for said progeny. Fairness is central to law.
I did mean Friday's Kend. That's the lefty perspective you asked for, I think.
With regards to patents the idea is there should be some limits, that they shouldn't extend to the food supply giving ag business control of it and, as is not implausible with the current situation with agribusiness, all plant life on the Earth. It's very questionable if all that genetic engineering has done society rather than the profiteers too much good - and business should, in the very least, be regulated to be beneficial to society rather than allowed to be beneficial to the profiteers at the expense of society. Personally, I and, no doubt, most of us on this blog, long for - and for a myriad of reasons - the days when ALL food was "organic".
I'm crushed and outraged to learn of this SCOTUS decision...but, not surprised. After all, the SCOTUS also gave us the first (s)elected President in our history, (with devastating worldwide consequences that are ongoing), the heinous Citizen's United decision, and now, this frightening decision that further erodes our future health and wellbeing as a Nation.
I'm so disappointed in mainstream media for failing to make this issue more widely known and understood by the public, particularly since it has such huge repercussions upon our very food supply.
We must push for full disclosure in labeling to identify which foods have gmo's in them so that we can make informed choices in our purchases for consumption.
Thanks, Thom, for reporting this unfortunate and irresponsible decision by the SCOTUS.
As long as we are a civilization of population growth out of control we should expect this sort of legislation in the future. If we cannot manage our population we cannot manage our planet. Only a solution such as that which Monsanto proposes will sustain life. Of course, given the current rate of population growth even such a successful solution is only going to be a temporary one. Unless we address the underlying causes for the problem we ignore a far greater problem; and participate in allowing it to get even worse.
I dont mind, it strenghtens my own patents and provides more protection against the scumbag corporations that have tried to rip me off. On another note, I dont remember any stalling by democRATS when the AWOL coke head pushed those two POS's thru.
Then again, I dont remember hearing any democRATs protest when that senile jackass raygun made "for profit" health care legal and low and behold, 27 years later a democRAT POS makes the failed republiCON health care plan law.
Politics today consists of nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black.
Label GMO's or better yet, it they are GMO free, then label that. If that's how they want to play the game. Buy local and organic that's the best way to confront these bastards. And also who needs corn and soy. There are better alternatives and that are healtier.
Ok I got it Mark Oops. I don't get thanks here, it through me off.
If you can't protect patents no one will do any research. I can't beleive how anti business you all are. Justices make decisions on the law, not on who appointed them. At least I hope they do.
Monsanto is just part of the plan for Centralization of Agriculture whose other players include Archer Daniels Midland, The German American Joint Stock Land Bank, Fleming Foods, Walt Disney Farms, DuPont and food transporters and chain stores organized under various corporate titles which are alter-entities.
Considering that soybeans were first introduced in the 1920's as a baby pig and lamb fattener, it is amazing how they have been marketed as a staple of an already obese population.
Soybeans were once considered a useful crop for famine nations- easy to grow and a protein source, and fattening by virtue of its hormones.
Before we were drinking and eating soy, it was used for paint thinner, varnish, machine oil, paint, printers ink, and mostly industrial purposes.
A unanimous decision, there must be something more to this. Some of those justices, no doubt, didn't like making that decision but felt bound by law to make it. In fact, in this case they cited the intent of Congress as their basis for deciding, "constitutionality" seemed to have nothing to do with this one so SCOTUS was acting just as Thom would have it.
The law needs to be changed and at least some of those justices will act accordingly.
NAFTA destroyed the Mexican economy. It caused millions of peasant farmers to lose their land and move north looking for jobs. The Mexican factory workers, meanwhile, got organized, won better pay and working conditions; the Mexican public mobilized, won some environmental protections. The American multinationals then moved their factories out of Mexico and into China thinking the police state there would prevent the same from happening (funny how the ideal society of the "freedom loving" Republicans is the police state of China).
Big business is often against enforcement of immigration law. They always wanted the undocumented as scabs and it divides the workers of the U.S.. The plight of the undocumented is a human rights issue, a refugee problem. Labor has to get global as business does. Thinking within national borders isolationistically is obsolete and the current immigration policy is also obsolete and serves to divide the workers of the U.S., documented vs. undocumented.
Big business commonly doesn't want enforcement of immigration law disrupting their functioning (some do and call ICE every payday and so avoid paying their people) but also don't want immigration reform because if the undocumented became legalized they could organize more freely, without fear, and wouldn't have to accept abuse like that of those other businesses which is common for the undocumented and couldn't be used as scabs like they are and couldn't divide the workforce like they are. It would take away the attraction and the preference of hiring the undocumented over the documented or U.S. born and give the undocumented their basic rights.
Essentially our free trade agreements give freedom of mobility for business but not for labor unlike, for example, the European Union where both capital and labor can travel freely through the free trade zone.
Pursuant to reinforcement theory, I donate $5 or $10 each time a progressive does something I like. The last time was to Sen. Warren who filed a bill to give college loans the same interest rate that the banksters currently enjoy.
My great grandmother who past away from "natural causes", aka "old age" at the age of 98 back in 1996 was from a time period when there wasn't a such thing as "processed food" and Genetically Modified/Engineered. Everything was bought or grown fresh, eaten fresh or canned for storage. Even as a young boy I remember her prepairing foods from scratch...She made THE BEST homemade peanut butter cookies.
How sad...Society (you, me, etc.) is so caught up in "making" a dollar, which doesn't come easy and, let's face it, has no value, that we count on someone else to prepair our food for us. And to do so is on such a GRAND scale that it takes corporations like Monsantos, ConAg, Dupont, etc to do so...How else can McDonalds, Taco Bell, and KFC, etc serve a billion people a day!?!? How else can commercial grocery stores keep a stock of tomatoes, corn, green beans, etc. year round?
For over 20 years - I am 41 - I have questioned such corporate mass production of agriculture. When I grow/pick my own organic vine ripe tomatoes I have to eat them, prepair, or can them within 3 days other wise they go bad. Most commercial tomatoes (hot house) have been off the vine for over a week before they make it to the grocery store for sale...Their colour is bright, skin unblemmished...but they have no flavour...These are not tomatoes! What are they???Genetically Engineered.
Yes, my friend, who can argue with the Dalai Lama. The good of all indeed should be all of our goals; and, nothing else.
My, brother, I pray you enjoy greater success with your fitness regimen. Good health and happiness, always!!
It's ridiculous that the Supreme Court wouldn't recognize the difference between seeds and other patented products. When Monsanto's products are used as recommended, they makes copies of themselves. So how can it be illegal to use the product to make copies of it? All patents on life forms should be voided.
I have discovered I have stage two kidney disease. My kidneys do not have the ability to deal with the kind of nutritian widely available today from restaurants. and grocery stores. I discovered this through exercise as a result of my inability to sustain a level of performance even though I've been exercising for over 30 years. My blood lacks enough red blood cells to deliver enough oxygen to my muscles. I complained to my DR. who ran blood tests which revealed my problem. It is like the inverse of blood doping for an athlete. I restricts my performance and makes it near impossilbe for me to lose weight.
This is a result of processed food and genetically altered food which my kidneys cannot deal with. I now have to restrict animal protien from my diet becuase of the way animals are fed, I cannot drink any soda because of HFCS, and I'm pretty much a vergitarian. The vegies I consume have to be organically grown. As a result of diet I now have increased endurance for aerobic exercise for longer durations and my red blood cell count is normal. The diet is not easy to maintain and grocery shopping is more time consuming. Pretty cool Huh ! All as a result of PIG corporations who put profit above human concern. Recently the Dahli Lama during a lecture in Portland Oregon announced that our concern should be for the good of all society instead of for profit. I remember that being the basis for the consitution unless the constitution has changed.
Currently we are havng a ballot for flouridating the water in Portland Oregon when most tooth decay is a result bad nutrition. And why would a dentist support such a ballot measure ? The deck of justice is definitely stacked against us. Justice in the US is biased toward the top 1% of anyone in the world. The bottom line for most US citizens is to watch what you eat and who's preparing it for you and who is growing and processing the food.
Here in S.W. Florida, MARKSULYS, I have noticed an increase in local Farmers Markets that offer a large selection of locally grown organic fruits, veggies, eggs, dairy, and herbs. Educated/Conscience consumers are the reason.
In the tri-county area where I live there are 5 local farms, and over a dozen Farmers markets, many of which are owned and opperated by the Quakers. Some are even open 6 days a weeks while others are only on certain days. Not only is the food 100%organic (meaning No Spray, and NonGMO), but the prices are much lower, i.e. .99c/lb for tomatoes instead of the $2.99/lb that you pay in the corporate grocery chains.
...a step in the right direction.
Tea Party Christians!!!Now that's an oxymoron if I have ever heard one. And for them to "think"...You must be joking!!!
KEND...There is waaaaay more to life than "buisness". However it doesn't surprise me that you - a Right Wing Corporate Capitalist, (is it fair to say Christian too?) - would take the side of corporate greed.
The good news is there is a growing number of people - with a conscience - of all ages and from all walks of life that are organizing against greedy companies such as Monsantos, DuPont, ConAg, BP, Exon, GE, Wal-Mart, etc. More and more people, Left and Right, are seeing the demise of unregulated Capitalism. It is true that for now these corporations are getting away with "murder", but it isn't anything that hasn't been seen before in this country...Companies wanting to take take take without any concern for the wellbeing of mankind; all that is important is making a profit by any means necessary...Screw the enviroment, screw life, screw fair trade, as long as they - the greedy Robber Barons - keep the board members/share holders rich...I wonder who these swine are???Could it be members of Congress...the Supreme Court...You!?!?
No matter...The days of Corporate Personhood and unregulated Capitalism are doomed. That much I am sure of.
So go ahead Kend, rape and pillage, take all you can; cause that's all that matters...Right???Lots of money and "things".
Here's the real reason that Monsanto want to keep its patent--and why it's a bad idea:
I'm quoting from another source:
What makes Monsanto different is its US seed monopoly. Well documented by market authorities, Plaintiffs point out that, “Over 85-90% of all soybeans, corn, cotton, sugar beets and canola grown in the U.S. contains Monsanto’s patented genes.”
Through its monopoly, Monsanto has spiked the cost of seeds. In the past decade, corn seed prices increased 135% and soybean prices 108%, the suit asserts. As recently as 1997, soybean farmers spent only 4-8% of their income on seeds, “while in 2009, farmers who planted transgenic soybeans spent 16.4 percent of their income on seeds.”
That's a singularly selfish point of view. This patent does not allow their patented seeds to simply reproduce themselves; you know, plant a seed and you get a crop and use the seeds from that to plant next season's crop. Are you familiar with this process? Monsanto has created these seeds so that they do not reproduce. Monsanto playing GOD. Did you know that companies are trying to put a patent on your genes? You like that idea?
As bad as politics is, it cannot be reduced to the pot calling the kettle black. That's just a tactic. Most politics goes on behind the scenes and played by those who stand to benefit from it--like Monsanto, the oil and gas companies, the mining companies, big ag, and hundreds of others.
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If SCOTUS eats crow, is it singular for Scrotum or is it an adjective meaning "as if one were going to eat crow" ?
Wonder what the Tea Party christians think. Isn't this taking god out of the creaator roll and selling it to monsanto?
There should be a proviso in the patent language that genetically modified products must not combine with non-modified organisms if the modifications will carry over into progeny. If these modified attributes become part of the pool of wild genes, as witnessed in samplings, then there should be no protection under the law for said progeny. Fairness is central to law.
This all gives new meaning to "Food Court."
I did mean Friday's Kend. That's the lefty perspective you asked for, I think.
With regards to patents the idea is there should be some limits, that they shouldn't extend to the food supply giving ag business control of it and, as is not implausible with the current situation with agribusiness, all plant life on the Earth. It's very questionable if all that genetic engineering has done society rather than the profiteers too much good - and business should, in the very least, be regulated to be beneficial to society rather than allowed to be beneficial to the profiteers at the expense of society. Personally, I and, no doubt, most of us on this blog, long for - and for a myriad of reasons - the days when ALL food was "organic".
I'm crushed and outraged to learn of this SCOTUS decision...but, not surprised. After all, the SCOTUS also gave us the first (s)elected President in our history, (with devastating worldwide consequences that are ongoing), the heinous Citizen's United decision, and now, this frightening decision that further erodes our future health and wellbeing as a Nation.
I'm so disappointed in mainstream media for failing to make this issue more widely known and understood by the public, particularly since it has such huge repercussions upon our very food supply.
We must push for full disclosure in labeling to identify which foods have gmo's in them so that we can make informed choices in our purchases for consumption.
Thanks, Thom, for reporting this unfortunate and irresponsible decision by the SCOTUS.
As long as we are a civilization of population growth out of control we should expect this sort of legislation in the future. If we cannot manage our population we cannot manage our planet. Only a solution such as that which Monsanto proposes will sustain life. Of course, given the current rate of population growth even such a successful solution is only going to be a temporary one. Unless we address the underlying causes for the problem we ignore a far greater problem; and participate in allowing it to get even worse.
Maybe we need to consider "open source seedware". Surely there are enough expired hybrid seeds to feed most of us.
Best to you Tom. Listen almost every day.
I dont mind, it strenghtens my own patents and provides more protection against the scumbag corporations that have tried to rip me off. On another note, I dont remember any stalling by democRATS when the AWOL coke head pushed those two POS's thru.
Then again, I dont remember hearing any democRATs protest when that senile jackass raygun made "for profit" health care legal and low and behold, 27 years later a democRAT POS makes the failed republiCON health care plan law.
Politics today consists of nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black.
Both and all need to go.
Label GMO's or better yet, it they are GMO free, then label that. If that's how they want to play the game. Buy local and organic that's the best way to confront these bastards. And also who needs corn and soy. There are better alternatives and that are healtier.
Ok I got it Mark Oops. I don't get thanks here, it through me off.
If you can't protect patents no one will do any research. I can't beleive how anti business you all are. Justices make decisions on the law, not on who appointed them. At least I hope they do.
sorry mark s did you repley i didn't see it. do you mean Fridays?
Monsanto is just part of the plan for Centralization of Agriculture whose other players include Archer Daniels Midland, The German American Joint Stock Land Bank, Fleming Foods, Walt Disney Farms, DuPont and food transporters and chain stores organized under various corporate titles which are alter-entities.
Considering that soybeans were first introduced in the 1920's as a baby pig and lamb fattener, it is amazing how they have been marketed as a staple of an already obese population.
Soybeans were once considered a useful crop for famine nations- easy to grow and a protein source, and fattening by virtue of its hormones.
Before we were drinking and eating soy, it was used for paint thinner, varnish, machine oil, paint, printers ink, and mostly industrial purposes.
http://www.frankkryder.com/soyeaters.htm 1943 Article introducing soy to Congress.
We can all afford to stop eating anything soy or corn if that's the way they want to be. Just don't buy it. Just say, No Thank You, to Soy.
A unanimous decision, there must be something more to this. Some of those justices, no doubt, didn't like making that decision but felt bound by law to make it. In fact, in this case they cited the intent of Congress as their basis for deciding, "constitutionality" seemed to have nothing to do with this one so SCOTUS was acting just as Thom would have it.
The law needs to be changed and at least some of those justices will act accordingly.
Kend, I have reply to your question/comment on yesterday's blog.
Thank you.
NAFTA destroyed the Mexican economy. It caused millions of peasant farmers to lose their land and move north looking for jobs. The Mexican factory workers, meanwhile, got organized, won better pay and working conditions; the Mexican public mobilized, won some environmental protections. The American multinationals then moved their factories out of Mexico and into China thinking the police state there would prevent the same from happening (funny how the ideal society of the "freedom loving" Republicans is the police state of China).
Big business is often against enforcement of immigration law. They always wanted the undocumented as scabs and it divides the workers of the U.S.. The plight of the undocumented is a human rights issue, a refugee problem. Labor has to get global as business does. Thinking within national borders isolationistically is obsolete and the current immigration policy is also obsolete and serves to divide the workers of the U.S., documented vs. undocumented.
Big business commonly doesn't want enforcement of immigration law disrupting their functioning (some do and call ICE every payday and so avoid paying their people) but also don't want immigration reform because if the undocumented became legalized they could organize more freely, without fear, and wouldn't have to accept abuse like that of those other businesses which is common for the undocumented and couldn't be used as scabs like they are and couldn't divide the workforce like they are. It would take away the attraction and the preference of hiring the undocumented over the documented or U.S. born and give the undocumented their basic rights.
Essentially our free trade agreements give freedom of mobility for business but not for labor unlike, for example, the European Union where both capital and labor can travel freely through the free trade zone.
Pursuant to reinforcement theory, I donate $5 or $10 each time a progressive does something I like. The last time was to Sen. Warren who filed a bill to give college loans the same interest rate that the banksters currently enjoy.