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On today's (5/11/13) Breaking the Set:
starting at minute: 15:25
partial transcript:
Abby Martin: "Have you ever come home or woken up in the middle of the night convinced that someone else had been there? Maybe a trinket slightly out of place or a frame tilted or a pillow tussled? Well, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. In fact, hundreds of times every year are scenes of the FBI sneaking in houses and office buildings to plant bugs completely undetected. They are called "Tactical Operations" teams (or TacOPs). And their methodology is outlined in a book "The Secrets of the FBI" written by Ronald Kessler. Well, a while back, I happened to hear Kessler on NPR describing at what length they would go to do a break-in and gather information on the (DO?) (DL?). This broadcast was so disturbing that I just had to share it with you guys. Well, these FBI TacOPs guys often uses 10 guys at a time, who spent their entire careers (???) being cat burglers and eavesdroppers. Now, 10 people seem like a lot to bug a house but according to Kessler the planning is so intense that it takes 10 weeks to prepare it's break in. Let's take a listen.
Kessler: They each have a specialty. One will just watch to see if anybody is coming once they are in. One will take photographs of what the premise is like when they go in. If they have to move a chair, let's say, they put a tape where the chair was and they move it back. If they have to disturb, say something like a desk, and if there is some dust on the desk, so they bring their own dust to replace the dust that they moved. And they bring a vacuum cleaner, very small and very powerful, to vacuum up any..let's say if they have to put a bug in a wall and they have to do some drilling. And they have a special algorhytm to match the paint on the wall incase they needed to touch up the wall.
Abby Martin: Wow! Paint over and fake dust. These people have really thought of everything. And guess what they do if the person at home has a pet. Well, they tranquilize them, of course! Yup! They actually consult with veterinarians..take a photo of the pet to get a precise dosage. But don't worry...they also have a "wake up" drug, in case the owner comes back early, to make sure the pet is alert when the owner gets back.
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Kessler: If the people come back early, the "keyholers" can alert someone to cause and accident or just have a cop pull the person over for some trumped up charge...to delay.
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Abby Martin goes on to talk about how various devices, TVs, cell phones, play stations, appliances in the kitchen or elsewhere in the house can be connected to the computer and act to spy on people in their homes. And with the loop holes in FISA and the Patriot Act spying on us has never been easier.
http://rt.com/shows/breaking-set-summary/syria-hypocrisy-wars-fbi-138/
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And you've probably heard by now of the $45 million hacker heist of banks recently. Here is an arrest warrant for one of the guys who was part of the racket. And there are a lot of people who have participated in this...what is called a Card and Pin heist. They get stolen ATM bank card numbers and pin numbers from some Russian hacker who has these fake ATM bank cards made from various non bank cards that have magnetic strips on them..like hotel access cards. They have managed to hack it so that the limits are increased way more than the normal daily limit. This guy, with a warrant out for him, wore a pull down knitted hat from Pizza Hut (incidentally...where he actually worked) when he withdrew money at ATMs. He managed to get over $5000 at one ATM all in a matter of minutes. He went to another one and got over $3000. And there is a whole army out there doing this. After amassing certain amounts they either do an electronic transfer to Russia or they actually travel to Russia to hand over the money and get their cuts.
http://cryptome.org/2013/05/atm/rodriguez-001.pdf
DAnneMarc: Thanks man! Yeah, I really liked Pink Floyd..especially those videos that went along with the music.
More power to you, palindromedary. Your research so far is impeccable. (Especially concerning Pink Floyd.) Kudos to you, my friend! Kudos!!!
And why did that airliner do a 270 degree turn in order to hit the side of the Pentagon that had been previously "hardened" by new construction? And why did it not hit the side where the Joints Chief of Staff...on the River Entrance side? You enter the River Entrance side and make a left when you pass the guard station. A set of double doors is the entrance to The Joint Chiefs of Staff. I have been in many of the places inside of the Pentagon but never inside the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I even had to work in the War Room once.
Yes, of course you are right..it is only speculation**..and since the people on board the flights probably didn't suspect that they were all going to die by crashing into buildings they could very well have all tried to keep their cool hoping that they would land somewhere and feds would come in blazing to save the day. And, like you said, the lack of experience on flying (and more importantly..accurately guiding the planes to their targets) large airliners is just harder for skeptics to ignore...but of course that won't stop them. 911 inside job skeptics (the people who believe in the official conspiracy theory) are just about as brainwashed as those who watch Fox News. They have all just put their brains into "comfortably numb" but what we really need to so is "tear down the wall"!!
I have read that the typical speeds of airliners, when they descend for landing cut their speeds down to about 180 mph...then when they touch down their speeds are about 100 mph. I have read also that very bad things would happen if anyone tried to fly these airliners at the speeds at which they usually fly when they are up in a thinner atmosphere. The speed of the airliner which was reported to have been 350 mph of the one that hit the Pentagon (the others that hit the WTC buildings were at 400 mph) was a very odd anomaly because I have read that due to the very thick air at near ground level it would have made controlling the craft even more difficult. The air resistance at speeds of 350 mph would have been very strong at near ground level. Remember when they come in for a landing they are trying, and do, slow down. But trying to control an airliner at those speeds at near ground level would have made a significant difference...and unless you are trained for it...I doubt you would have been able to hit your target even one as large as the Pentagon. Any slight over correction, which is very common especially for people training to fly one of these large airliners, and you would not be able to accurately control the craft. How did Hanjour manage to expertly control that airliner so that it did not fall way short or fly over and miss the Pentagon? Especially after the aircraft made that descending 270 turn? Hanjour couldn't even fly a small plane! And what would be the effect of the stresses on the airliner from flying at 350 mph that close to the ground? I've heard it would rip the wings off (but I don't know those wings are usually very resilient to a great deal of stress). As you descend for a landing (ie: into thicker air) you are slowing down so the stress is all within designed parameters. That would not be so if flying at 350 mph close to the ground.
**And talk about speculation...is it not speculation on the part of the government, to begin with, that the "hijackers" used box cutters? How did they know this? How did they know that the hijackers were armed with box-cutters? From a call from the stewardess? And those phone calls..the ones from various people on board those "hijacked" planes while they were 20,000-30,000 feet in the air...it has been investigated and found that back then it was not possible to make cell phone calls from airliners at 20,000 to 30,000 feet in the air. Cell phones would not work up there. They do now...I am given to understand...but they didn't back then.
So, how did the government know that the "hijackers" used box cutters? Maybe they found some laying in the rubble several blocks away from the WTC towers just like they found one of the "hijackers" passports..unscathed by the raging fires in the towers. Everything else was turned to dust except for pieces of bones and metal beams. But here, they claim they found a passport. Unbelievable! The government sure knows how to plant evidence...they've been doing it for many decades. And people still, incredibly, believe the government even though they know how much the government and politicians lie and set up patsies.
It seems painfully obvious that from 9/12/12 onward the Obama administration's primary concern in reacting to Benghazi was political. How do we deal with: we ignored threat warnings; we didn't pre-position reaction forces pre-9/11; we didn't deploy available assets on 9/11; and that despite our claims to the contrary, al-Qaida isn't dead? Secretary of State Kerry and other Democrats who "learned nothing new" from this week's hearing evidently knew this to be true before hearing the witnesses. It was clearly obvious from day one, based on new reports alone, that it was an attack. No one, not even a jihadi, takes a crew served weapon, such as a mortar, to a "demonstration". Were any mortars reported in the massive demonstrations leading to Mubarak's downfall? "Response to a video" was Bovine Scatology.
Palindromedary, I have been thinking deeply about the box cutters. If left to only just those devices surely the other passengers would have had the upper hand. However, what if two hijackers grabbed a couple of stewardesses and put the cutters to their throat. That may have had a significant impact on the rest of the people in the plane. Incidentally, what if they announced they had a bomb on board and they would use it if necessary. Everyone would be fine if they just cooperate. There may be more to the 'on plane' drama than we are aware of. Ask yourself how you would pull off such a feat of 'people' control in a similar situation. Then ask yourself how you would react on the side of the victims. I think speculation on those box cutters, without the benefit of the flight recorders, is not going to help support the inside job theory.
However, focus on the pilot abilities is quite convincing. I remember several years ago purchasing Microsoft's flight simulator and the WWII simulator. It was a lot of fun. Taking off and flying that is. Maneuvering and landing were another story. I spent hours trying to land everything from a WWII twin wing prop plane to a modern 747. My greatest problem--that I never overcame--was simply targeting the run way. I would fly into it and crash, over it and crash, crash short of it, and sometimes crash right next to it. Flying the 747 was even harder. Remember, this is merely trying to land on a runway the size of several football fields. Hitting a small target like a building, or an even smaller target like the Pentagon would indeed take years of practice on the simulator; yet, these inexperienced pilots did it on the first pass. Personally, I want to hear more comments from real pilots--especially ones I can trust. Ken, if this is you, I can't wait to hear your opinion.
So many laws need to change. So many legislators on all sides need to get on the stick and without avarice, help to uphold and to create anew the beautiful “America” dream from sea to shining sea and throughout the world. Where do we start? Start by getting creative for fair elections. Start with getting rid of computerized (forever and always hackable) voting machines and initiating paper ballots. Get creative with monitoring the paper ballots and if any manipulating happens with the paper ballots, at least the rigging will most likely be ascertainable. Such is not the case with voting machines. Start by doing your own research on the election-fixing voting machines that have perhaps stolen your vote and given it to someone for whom you wouldn’t vote and didn’t vote and with no way to verify the deed.
Please don't be embarrassed my friend. What you said about historywriter I posted because the moment I read it for the first time after exchanging a good 30 or so posts with him I knew it was absolutely true and I wasted a couple of days for nothing. I don't intend to make that mistake again.
PhillipHenderson, however, I have the utmost respect for. I meant no insult to him. I just wanted to point out that no labor is "free" Some are cheaper than others, some are less favorable than others; but all come at a cost. Even cheap prison labor costs the taxpayer a good $30K + per year. Immigration labor has to be the most cost effective for employers because it doesn't cost a living wage of any kind. Workers live in squalid conditions and rely on shared means to survive much the way slaves had to in the past. Historywriter was correct in stating how wrong it was to enforce slave labor conditions with a whip; and, that wage labor is more humane. I agree with that. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day! However, wage labor also uses hurtful and harmful enforcement to control the labor force. Because the labor contract is hourly instead of long term, termination is a constant threat. Like an "imaginary whip" it hangs over the heads of every member of the work force every hour of the working day. Workers are expected to accept all manner of verbal abuse from their bosses without talking back. Women in the workforce are often expected to prostitute themselves to gain favor. Others, to use their femininity to advance their position. Built up tensions from the servitude during the workday often lead to spousal and child abuse as a vent for the frustrations encountered at work. Hours of lost revenue spent in the insanity of rush hour traffic also add to the physical and psychological abuse workers are expected to endure.
Is slavery preferable to this situation? Absolutely not! However, I do feel there must be a better way. Long term contractual labor for instance where an employer must go before a judge for permission to release a worker. That would eliminate the verbal abuse dished out by bosses and managers as well as remove the threat of suddenly being fired from the "imaginary whip" of the companies. Co-ops, worker share holding, and/or worker owned establishments are another fine alternative. Such companies already exist and examples of this are Zachary Pizza and In-and-Out Burger. Mandatory labor unions for every class of work would also be a more progressive approach to the current employment system. The immediate effects of this method would not only be to establish job security and benefits; but, would make illegal immigrant labor a thing of the past over night.
Again, don't get me wrong Philip Henderson. I don't want to go backwards, only forwards. I firmly believe that in the same way we look back at slavery and think, "My God, how could people ever have treated one another like that?" our children's children will look back at us someday, and say the very same thing. DAM
Any plans for border security must take into consideration the fact that there are wildlife migration corridors all along the southwestern border, where hundreds of species cross between the U.S. and Mexico, including two rivers that have their sources in Mexico and flow north into the U.S. Interference with these corridors has already had adverse effects on several species, and it will only get worse.
An Immigration Fantasy
A totally new approach to immigration is inevitable. A seven hundred mile double-layered fence needs modification, rather simply should be trashed. Instead introduce a seven hundred mile Plaza Civitas might be a start to the real cultural bridge that is the steps to the American dream, way long overdue.
Perhaps done in flagstone, green or blue would be nice. Large spaces for family rest areas, with patio furniture and electric, water, with transient convenience. Places to cook food plus be freshened, or even present individual personal commerce, entertainment, and especially serious government affairs. Very spacious land with the spirit in Alcalde Ordinario decorated in a Mexmerican blend of Aztec Trimming elegantly done to relieve the Heritage Foundation of Medieval backwards barbaric social culture that hopefully will diminishes into the next millennium.
A place of cultural exchange, open to the world, done with the passion of a Lady Liberty to span New Mexico, Arizona, and Southern California, Built with the pipelines of Fresh Water works, and organic farmland robust as far as can be. But to do this needs severe change. That might be to rid America of more severe Conservatives that only think fences and barbed wire made to slowly change America into a giant Gitmo.
Ken you are right when you say the illegal immigrants are taking jobs but the also drive wages down. My son works in construction doing a job that in AZ, Texas or California a illegal would be doing getting paid nothing and he makes about $10,000 a month depending on how much over time he gets. We can only do construction six months of the year. Because there is no cheap labour here that is the going rate. Again this is the lefts cause yet they encourage this. Are they really doing it for votes if so that's a little un patriotic isn't it.
Off topic are you a GP yet? Ken
That's a funny one...nice play on words!
Ken Ware ~ Welcome back! I've missed you, buddy. It's just not the same around here without you.
On the subject of immigration we are in 100% agreement. I have nothing against immigrants coming to this country; however, with the current labor market this topic shouldn't even be discussed. Once free trade is repealed, our manufacturing base has been restored, and our vast unemployment problem resolved, then and only then can we discuss immigration reform. Any legislation before that would prove to turn a national disaster into a national catastrophe.
It's nice to know I made a orthopedic surgeon in Los Angeles laugh. The only other time I made any orthopedic surgeon laugh I had to pay for an appointment. Ha! Actually, like Palindromedary said, we are interested in the opinion of experienced pilots. I addressed the claims of Palindromedary to you because... Guess what? I strongly suspect you used to be a pilot. Is that not the case? If not, then why all the airplanes? Do you suffer from "Pilot envy?" Ha! If you have a pilot's license and have considerable flight experience--especially with jet planes--you are the perfect "expert" to support or refute this claim. You talk! We listen! Why would you ask the opinion of an orthopedic surgeon? That's like a Chef asking a Bricklayer what type of meat he should put in his chicken soup. Hell, if I were the Bricklayer I'd laugh too. "Ha! Why don't you use, swine!" (With a phoney French Chef accent added)
DAnneMarc, pardon my taking umbrage at your post. I went back to see why you directed it at historywriter and believe you just grabbed it and reposted it (a week after the original) as a convenient put down. My first impression was that you were trying to set up a feud, but I think I overreacted.
To tell the truth, as much as I enjoy the banter on this site and respect many of the posters, there's something about the venue that brings out the worst in me at times and I'm embarrassed by it. I think a couple others have had the same problem; a few manage to keep cool (like Philip Henderson, bless his heart). But we've discussed some hot topics that can really excite strong emotions, like conspiracy theories and gun control. I don't want you or anyone else to think they've "driven me off". I'm just going to take a break for a while. I may wander back at some point.
No hard feelings, anyone, and especially you, DAnneMarc. Take care.
PALINDROMEDARY; "And if you want to 'move past endless debates' well than the same thing could be said in the future for what is happening right now. It will always be 'lets just move on'...just like Obama said."
I do understand your point; it is good to investigate, unresolved crimes, and questionable conclusions, ones that are just to neat and convienent. However that being said you are missing my point; I am not implying that we just "burry our heads in the sand"; such arrogant behaviour leads to further hostility and is a big part of this mess. More so I am saying that the debate we need to be having is one that discusses new Foreign Policy; one that is diplomatic and respectfull of other Soverning Nations and leads to true peace and fruitful relations.
YES WE KNOW THAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT (the who), has for decades been meddleing (militarily and socially) in the political affairs of the Middle East - this has been their (Middle Easterners) biggest grievence, and has lead to what is known as blow back; killing many innocent lives and causing many more to become paranoid. It is driven by anti Islamic bigotry, jingoism and fear mongering, brought about by greedy and agressive companies that capitalize on on such ignorance. WE (Americans) must STOP waisting time getting caught up in "Who Shot JR" cliff hanger discussions. Especially when we have decades (60 years worth) of information that proves the U.S. Government's involvment in the political affairs of the Middle East.
For me this is what matters most, and it frustraits me that others, i.e you and Ken Ware - get so caught up in moot debates about electronically Hijacked planes, yet still play into the two party (really one party; Wall Street) system come election time.
Our best weapon against the United States of Corporations, and a government that has become destructive of the basic principles laid out in the Declaration of Independence, is Civil Disobedience and Non Violent Resistance. Hit this government in the pocket where it really counts by protesting, strikiing, boycotting, and sabotaging the companies that write and push policies that not just undermind, but more so dismantle, the U.S. Constitution so that they may push aside We the People and capitalize on Empire Building, Growing the Military Industrial Complex, Dimminishing the Middle Class, Dismantleing Unions, keep wages low, and murdering innocent people and those that have not received a fair and proper trial. All for the sake of fattening their greedy pockets.
I really don't for one second believe this government would murder millions of its own people here in the U.S. - not that they wouldn't try to, through use of force, thwart and undermind our efforts - for protesting against corporate greed and demanding TRUE Justice by charging and bringing to trial ALL those who commited war crimes, fraud, and corruption against Americans and others.
I just saw the new movie The Great Gatsby today and it seemed very much like what I remembered from reading it about a zillion years ago. They kept showing that billboard of TJ Eckleburg...the Glasses...a very important symbol, I think, in the story. TJ Eckleburg...eyes of Zod forever peering down and watching the wealthy carry on so. I have, all these years, cannot look at Thom Hartmann without thinking about TJ Eckleburg. Watching...analyzing...taking notes...
Yayyyyy...he's bacccckkkk! Welcome back Amigo...Mr. Ware..was beginning to worry about you! Yes, I get it! you are just not going to admit that 911 was an inside job...that's ok! But don't give up on your argument against 911 being an inside job! We need you to keep the controversy stirred up. You have done a great job, so far! Thanks!
You are not alone, though. Lots of people just can't get their head around it. An orthopedic surgeon? What does he know about crashing airplanes into tall buildings? Is he a Muslim? ;-} He's just as clueless as many other people about 911. Now, maybe if you had told me that you had a friend that was an airline pilot with many years experience flying airliners tell me that he would have been able to make that 270 degree descending crash into the Pentagon then I'd have to take that into consideration and match that against the testimony I've heard from other airline pilots (with something like about 40 years experience flying airliners) who said that they didn't think even they would have been able to pull off such a feat. And we are supposed to believe that Hanjour did this? Hanjour, who couldn't even fly a Cessna small airplane? With an airliner full of passengers and only a couple of other "hijackers" with box cutters? Somehow, I don't think the all of those passengers would have sat still for it. Now if the hijackers had used guns...maybe...but they didn't even according to the official conspiracy theory.
The whole hijacking with box cutters and being able to fly those planes and actually hit their targets is just so ridiculous. But you know what they always say...people are more apt to believe really, really big lies than small ones. Especially if those lies contain an exploitation of a propensity of many so-called Christians who have been propagandized to abhor Islam. Oh, some will falsely claim that they have nothing against Islam...yeah, right! And of course, not all Christians are deeply, internally, fearful or hateful of Muslims...just the insecure ones are, I suppose. Face it, many people are still fighting the Crusades. Baby Bush even had a Freudian slip when he actually used the term "Crusade" before we invaded the Middle East....when they were lying to us about "mushroom clouds" and "weapons of mass destruction" .. "chemical weapons".
How can people, after all the Republicans, the Neocons, the banksters, Wall Street, Corporations, the Military Industrial Complex, have done to us still believe in the biggest lie of all..the one they told us about 911?
Well kend i too think its quite Simple. The illegals supply the the wealthy with a cheap form of labor but more important and often forgotten on this blog is that they also provide the democrats with a huge voting base that seems to get them elected again and again!
Hey, this is fun!
DAnneMarc: Lookin' good!! And thanks for quoting me again. I know, it just looks like so much went on that just doesn't fit the original official conspiracy theory. Whether Israel was behind it, or whether conspirators in high places in the US did it, or whether they colluded together...perhaps even with Saudi Arabia...and Bin Laden...and ISI in Pakistan..we have just got to keep the pressure on and keep this thing very visible. I'm sure the real conspirators would just wish the whole thing would just disappears and no one would question the official government conspiracy theory.
DAnneMarc: Lookin' good!! And thanks for quoting me again. I know, it just looks like so much went on that just doesn't fit the original official conspiracy theory. Whether Israel was behind it, or whether conspirators in high places in the US did it, or whether they colluded together...perhaps even with Saudi Arabia...and Bin Laden...and ISI in Pakistan..we have just got to keep the pressure on and keep this thing very visible. I'm sure the real conspirators would just wish the whole thing would just disappears and no one would question the official government conspiracy theory.
Don't be like that outback I like your comments I see your point here but doesn't anyone care about how this hurts the great US as a nation. They don't get more right than me so I don't understand why The union lovin liberals like this cheap labour coming in and driving down wages. I guess it's a sign of the times. Buy cheap products from China, cheap labour from Mexico and cheap energy from Canada and you don't have to work as hard and make as much. Is that it.
I refuse to even waste another moment in time to comment on the conspiracy theories that DAM and Palin subscribe to. I have printed many of the remarks made by both of the fore mentioned to friends and colleagues and the response has been the same from everyone. Why aren't these guys on meds or in strait jackets? One friend of mine is an orthopedic surgeon and began to laugh half way through reading your comments. Enough said on my part. It makes very little difference to either of the two men I have noted above when presenting evidence to the contrary of their theories, they will find a way to dismiss anything that does not concur with their beliefs and give reference that those who discount their theories of governmental conspiracies have been "duped" into believing what the government claims happened on that infamous day in September. I truly feel DAM speaks with an air of superiority towards others and Palin see's the World as one immense conspiracy against humanity. As far as amnesty goes for those who are here illegally, the very idea is ludicrous in nature. We will pass laws that send a message to the rest of the World that if you can get a physical presence within the United States, you will not be challenged and can take the work Americans would normally perform at those jobs, and all you have to do is accept a lower wage which translates into higher profits for the employer of these illegal workers. We have not been able to enforce the immigration laws we now have on the books. What makes anyone believe we will enforce any new laws to enforce our immigration laws and stop those who would enter our country illegally, not to mention the fact we have a pesky problem with terrorist who would do us great harm if they could enter our country un-noticed by our I.C.E. To put these illegal immigrants on the same level as the slaves we once used for labor, is in itself is a slap in the face of every immigrant who came here legally and those who were enslaved! All I hear from the people who comment here is rhetoric in the lowest caliber imaginable concerning illegal immigrants. There are 20 million people who came into our country illegally and are taking jobs our unemployed could be doing for a living wage! My god people have you all lost your sense of the fact we are a country of laws and that is what keeps the fabric of our nation intact! And please leave your snide remarks about how our politicians do not obey our laws, why should anyone else! I will end this conversation and refuse to even debate the immigration issue, which is what this blog was supposed to be about today and yet like every other subject, the conspiracy theorists have a compulsion to interject their opinions of this issue into every conversation and then congratulate each other on a job well done. You are all intelligent, yet you have such small minds that are stuck in second gear and feel it is your duty to instruct everyone who comments on Hartmann’s blog of what really is happening in America, with no comments on how to resolve our issues in an intelligent and forth right manner! I do not think embracing those who have come to our country illegally to take jobs from the American workers is being a humanitarian, because you lack the same feelings you have for the illegal workers among us, as you have for the millions who have lost their livelyhood due to illegal immigration. You fail to see what they have done to those Americans who have been displaced in the work force by cheap illegal labor. Their families (American) suffer daily due to the lack of employment for the bread winners of these families, due to illegal workers who have pushed them out of the job market. This is one of those rare times I agree with the Republican politicians in Washington! Good night. P.S. You may respond, but do not take my lack of response as a sign I might agree with your argument, I just feel responding would be fruitless in nature concerning the countless conspiracies you seem to believe our government has perpetrated against us and you embrassing illegal aliens! There is no possible way to respond to those who believe that my response is simply a lack of understanding, when gentlemen and ladies I understand your motives and thoughts very thoroughly. Again I bid you good night and have a good weekend. K.W.
Outback--buddy! Did I quote you out of context? What does historywriter say that is cogent? Are you saying that what I said is out of line?
I say to you both, think long and hard about what I said. Then if you still wish, feed me facts that contradict anything I said. I dare you!! I double dare you!!! My facts on this matter are air tight. Difficult to swallow, yes! But, nevertheless, airtight!! Go ahead and blow a hole in this logic..... I dare anyone, including Thom Hartmann!!