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I pledge allegiance to the CONSTITUTION of the United States of America and to the republic AS LONG AS it stands for one nation under the LAW indivisible in PURSUING liberty and justice for all!!!
If arresting them in another country is not legal then killing them certainly isn't. There are instances where an arrest isn't possible because the individual targeted maybe engaging in violent behaviour at the time so only deadly force or the threat of it may be possible to use and laws provide for that but the drone targets were often not engaged in violent actiity only had been in the past.
As an act of warfare also illegal so illegal any how.
How do we stop the corruption? Wall Street is more powerful than our government!
That's how Germany went from the Weimar Republic to the Third Reich, emergency powers to the executive branch after the burning of the Reichstag.
Gee, it must be so nice to be perfect. What's your secret?
Thom, you made a wonderful observation about Freudian projection that day you had Judd Saul on. You mentioned it later in your show. This was a guy that believed all (or most) gays are pedophiles. You immediately corrected him by pointing him to the American Psychiatric Associations studies showing otherwise, which is a fine rebuttal to these offhanded comments. I will usually turn it on my opponent and ask them why they believe this? I'd say something to the affect of: "Are you saying that if you were the leader of a girl scout troop, you would be molesting all the little girls, because you like women?". Because basically what they are saying is that men like sex and since gay men like sex with men, they must love sex with boys. I've never put my argument together with Freudian projection and when you said it, a light came on. This is their psychological defense mechanism utilized to hide their sick subconcious desires. They imagine themselves as leaders of a girl scout troop, see what they would be tempted to do and immediately project those desires to a group they do not like. Brilliant.
Thank you GLOBAL, I do appreciate your sentament.
Both my wife and I struggle everyday to keep on keep'in on. As you are very aware our daughter is not the only U.S. citizen to fall victim to a cold and calous system that cators primaraley to those that can afford to play the game.
Peace will come for my wife and I when the U.S. writes and enacts policy for a Universal Single Payer Health Care System for all, so that no American has to suffer loss or bankruptcy - as my wife and I have - do to unaffordable Health Care.
I know that as much as you express your sympathy, you do not support a Universal Health Care system. Why? I ask you to please explain why you are okay with the trillions of dollars the U.S. spends on illegal and unnecessary wars that do nothing more than suck dry the middle and poor working class, as well as slaughter millions of innocent lives, creating false enemies, and continueing to put our country deeper and deeper into debt...So deep that it would take three generation to crawl out of the hole that our generation has allowed to occure over the past 2 decades. Do you rest peacefully knowing this? I don't!
Yes I know that there are no guarentees in life except death...That life isn't always fair, but it sure does seem that we are doing are best to make it even more so...I don't agree one bit that the U.S. would slip into Stalinism by enacting a Single Payer Health Care System. We can do better than we are doing. I'd much rather have my taxes go to a strong and robust Universal Health Care System - as well as Education - than towards furthering the U.S. War Machine; just so a few oil barrons, and war manufacturers can make a few bucks.
My heart goes out to all those innocent men, woman, and children that are brushed off as "collateral damage" because of greed. The same sentament goes for all the children (and adults) that I have come to know whoes time here ended not because of lack of available treatment, but because of not being able to afford treatment. That my friend is the real tragedy.
I encourage you to first as a parent, put yourself in my shoes...Imagine your child, age 8, diagnoised with a fatal yet treatable illness with a 80+% success rate, but the only problem is treatment cost over $100k and you don't have Health Insurance? But its your kid, so you start to scramble to get the money; you talk to family, you get intouch with financle aid...but you don't qualify because your income for a household of 4 is to high... $42k TOO F'en HIGH!?!?! Mean while your daughter is loosing precious time, and in the end after doing everything you know and are told to do your kid dies! All becuase you couldn't afford Health Insurance.
Secondly I would like you to take sometime and read Wendle Potter's book "Deadly Spin; An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out On How Corporate PR Is Killing Health Care and Deceiving Americans".
Wendle Potter was the former Vice President of corporate communications at CIGNA, one of the Untied States' largest health insurance companies. In 2008 Potter resigned his position and became an outspoken voice on health care reform. He appeared in 2009 before the United States House of Representatives Democratic Steering and Policy Committee. He said in his opening staement that if Congress "fails to create a public insurance option to compete with private insurers, the bill it sends to the President might as well be called the Insurance Industry Profit Protection and Enhancement Act."
Potter is now a senior analyst at the Center for Public Integrity, a fellow at the Center for Media and Democracy, and a consumer liaison representative to the National Association of Insurance Commissioners. Potter also is a bi-weekly contributor to the Huffington Post.
I had the opportunity to attend one of his lectures...What he has to say as an insider you will never hear on Fox faux news...If you GLOBAL are sincere in that you are all about the truth than you will endulge yourself in reading his book and/or attending one of his lectures. I have yet to meet a genuine "truth seeker" that disputes Wendle Potter...Unless of course his truth is tanted with corporate investments.
Consummate evil is the end product the many decades of "lesser evil" voting produced.
"It's a most peculiar set of 'principles' and 'logic' that liberals have, which habitually compels them to vote for far more of the evil they've said they opposed... and then claim that they've lessened the evil that they have so obviously made greater."
The "Principles" of Liberal Voters
http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id...
between most americans approving of drone attacks and all of the rest of the world disapproving. only 3% of americans have passports, then we have a media that bows to its agenga.
that means 97% of people never hear an unbiased opion.
and americans still wonder why other countries citizens dislike the U.S.??
I understand Nachos, words can not describe the pain of losing a child. Sorry for your loss, may peace be with you.
A Brief History of Plutocracy-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sxKpx9Tnkk
Elite love drones.
Drones are the tools of enforcement of the Globalized Technocracy.
Drones main purpose is to perpetrate POLITICAL PURGES and thereby reduce resistance.
Drones will continue to exist only as long as TYRANNY rules.
The current debate allowing for drones as killing tools to be allowed for the military and drones as spy devices to be allowed for the CIA and FBI is a FALSE DEBATE.
Drones are as deadly to humankind as nuclear weaponry: As nuclear radiation has the potential to stop all human life dead in its tracks, drones have the potential to kill all human choice, variety and progress just as dead in their tracks.
The Corporate U.S. Government - PALINDROMDARY - is by far a different Government than the one Of, For, and By the People. Only ignorant fools line up for "The Companies"...Another Soldiar, Another Sucker! ALL pawns for the war machine.
"I was greatly impressed to see that an acted perpetrated by the enemy was ipso facto vicious and deceitful, whereas the same act perpetrated by the United States was just and praise worthy." Stephen Fortunato, "We Won't Go"
Seems to me that Corporate America is made up of a bunch of murderous cowards with a mission statement full of hypocrisy.
I certainly agree! There is nothing brave about sitting behind a computer, far from the targets, guiding these things, and murdering people by clicking on an "fire!" icon, or whatever. It's no more dangerous than playing a computer game.
Annabee says to Mgreenmanoh: "What an idiot you are!!"
He doesn't sound like an idiot to me. Thom has made the same argument. I happen to agree with them. Gun ownership, like owning a car, is a huge responsibility. It warrants regulations, background checking, and INSURANCE to protect those you might injure; or some form of compensation/protection for the survivors if you happen to kill anyone, intentionally or otherwise. Sounds perfectly reasonable.
That aside, you do not strengthen your case with childish insults and name calling. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, no matter who agrees or disagrees. - Alice I.W.
I noticed that on a news report on the TV just a few minutes ago that they flashed up on the screen the very same legal document:
DORNER v. LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT
CHRISTOPHER DORNER, Plaintiff and Appellant,
v.
LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT et al., Defendants and Respondents
http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=1&xmldoc=In%20CACO%20201110030...
..that I had found on a search I did earlier and posted that in my comment #6
Almost everything you get, when doing a search, is the same old malarky..a repetition of the same stuff...same censored manifesto..and news propaganda....but when you put in terms to NOT search for...like -manifesto and search for only older information...it comes up with this document. When these shootings happen...I suspect the authorities go through the servers and try to pull everything about it off the internet. Then we are all left with just the garbage propaganda the authorities want us to hear.
Aliceinwonderland MATHBOY knows what he's talking about...He, like so many patriotic jingos, just doesn't understand the full consequenses of what he supports. The "blow back" from drone attacks will be 10 fold compared to Pearl Harbor and 9/11 combined.
WE ARE DOOMED!
Of course Mathboy doesn't equate it this way.
It's a bird! it's a plane! eewwww yuck! damn birds! Better a bird than a drone armed with Tomahawk missiles.
RaleighMom: Thanx for those links. Would be really nice if we could regulate Killers.inc where their motto is "Killing is our business...and business is good!". Problem is...just like that first link..written in March of 2009 said:
"The arrival of a new administration in the United
States offers a unique opportunity for rethinking
the global regulation and accountability of private
military and security companies. There are positive
signs that the Obama administration will step up
efforts to improve regulation, both domestically
and internationally."
How did that turn out? They created the US and World Court and the IAEA which all seemed like great ideas back when they were first founded. And the US doesn't seem to want to be regulated by any of them. Regulation is for everyone else but not the US.
An international watchdog like the ISA to keep PMSCs in line would be great but I think the world is way past trying to keep these criminals in line. With those 'Bobblehead' revolving doors in the Pentagon and in positions of power in our government we are way past trying to use 'civilized' methods to keep these people in line. It's just a matter of time until these PMSCs will be unleashed on American citizens in the streets and homes of America with their armed drones flying overhead.
GSI: Global Security Industry—the industry made up of PMSCs
PMSC: Private military and security company
Look mommy there's a plane in the sky...
KABOOM!!!
Thank you Alice for your kindness.
And GLOBAL I appologize for getting salty with you, please forgive my being krass.
My memories of Krissy are always with me & bring a smile to my face. Even just before she died Krissy would smile and lite up the room. She looooved knock-knock jokes, and giving people hugs...She gave the best hugs :) I do miss her.
"Jplieurance" says "The current 'War on/of Terror' has changed the way war is conducted - at least in the middle east where we're fighting an ideology not a country."
Our "War on Terror" is a friggin' joke, because the U.S. government is the greatest terrorist organization on the planet. Blackwater thugs are terrorists. Drone operators are terrorists. The Military Industrial Complex loves terrorism because it keeps them thriving on blood money. So please spare us the tired old sermons about "enemy combatants". Long as our government continues waging these ridiculous bullshit wars on the rest of the world, there will be people plotting revenge against us. It's all about cause & effect. Very simple.
I don't know if Al-Awalaki was planning retaliation against our war crimes. But his sixteen-year-old son was just an innocent kid and that kid was murdered by our government. His blood is on OUR hands. And as Thom would say, that is very, very ugly.
We are living under fascism! Sieg HEIL! - Aliceinwonderland
Palindromedary- For what it's worth, like you I have never trusted online banking and always pay by check. And if a security envelope is not provided, I wrap the check in a little scrap of junk mail so that a thief can't see those numbers on the check by holding the envelope up to a bright light. I highly recommend this to anyone mailing checks. Even post office employees have been known to rip people off; most of them are honest folks but all it takes is one "bad apple". - Alice I.W.
This segment of the news here today being "Drones...the Ultimate Stalker" reminds me so much of the movie SPACE ODYSEE 2000 produced in the early 1970's (around the time of the release of the "Pentagon Papers" by Daniel Ellsberg ending vietnam) where the spaceship computer named "Hal" the one dimentional eye, like the classic litt of Homer's Odyssess with the one eyed Cyclones being the sons' of oceanic--Posidon, TAKES OVER AND NEARLY CAPTURES THE MAIN CHARACTER ODYSEEUS. The astronaut Dave in the movie stops the computer personnified as Hal. We as citizens similar to the astronaut Dave in Space Odysee 2000 movie need to stop modern day Drones from behaving like Hal AND CAPTURING US AS HAPPENED TO ODYSEEUS IN HOMER'S CLASSIC LITT. Hal DEMONSTRATED ABILITY TO READ LIPS if one were to watch the movie Space Odysee 2000. The movie viewer will see Hal as it were "reading lips" as theses modern day drones can do today. Drones are from the sons' of Poisdon in a methphorical sense that need to be parented and not have them parent us. THIS IS DEEP AS THE OCEAN--AND MORE LIKE IT HIGHER THAN THE SKY!!
Nachos- I'm so sorry about your daughter. This is an ugly, cruel system and it is not your fault she is dead.