Unfortunately, politics is really the least of our worries. It is really becoming too late to argue about whether this or that...but to sit back and behold the awesome spectacle of the destruction of the earth. It really is too late to do anything about it. So, sit back kiddies and watch it all disintegrate before your very eyes. All the political arguments are merely a distraction to keep people from freaking out and massively striking out against the privileged few who have, perhaps, known all along how it was going to go down...or not. The ones who have been dragging the rest of us into a world-wide, mass suicide have selfishly maximized their pleasures at the expense of everyone else. Holed up in their pleasure bunkers and guarded by their personal armies, they will be the last to go.
Perhaps they will devolve into future Morlocks burrowing, mole-like, in subterranean realms. Or maybe giant termites, commonly known as "greys" with big black eyes that have been, allegedly, spotted from time to time time-traveling back from our future to repent for having destroyed the world.
If we were being invaded by an invincible force of Klingons, we might be able to reason with them and prostrate our unworthy selves before them in order to survive. There is no way, really, to fight the melting Arctic Ice. Climate change has already displayed it's ruthless forces...just a sample mind you...and an omen of worse things to come....very soon. "Greenland's glaciers are melting far faster than scientists expected." Abrupt changes noticed in just the last few weeks.
They will have to build a gigantic dike around major cities that are located on the coasts...New York, Miami, and Mumbai, for example. Either that or they will have to evacuate. Crops will continue to wither and die. People will starve.
Perhaps some people, who have been hording all the money and building personal survival shelters stocked with generations of rations already know what is about to happen. Let the struggle for survival begin! Some already have a head start! The rest of us will struggle to survive as we experience the exponential rise in food prices at the supermarkets.
Albedo or not to Albedo..that is the question. Albedo is the ability of something to reflect light. Light, ie: energy, is absorbed by darker surfaces and reflected by lighter surfaces...and can be measured from satellites in space. Turns out that the albedo of the poles is rapidly changing for the worse causing an unprecedented absorption of energy. That means, of course, that the ice shelves, bigger than the island of Manhattan, are melting, cracking off and floating away, melting even faster. This changes the salinity of the ocean waters and the temperatures of continental currents which drastically affects long term, very long term, weather patterns. "... this summer: Without warning, the line on the albedo chart dropped deep into uncharted territory."
"Simply by changing the albedo of the Greenland ice sheet....the island now absorbs more extra energy each summer than the U.S. consumes in a year." "The shape and color of the ice sheet's crystals, in other words, are trapping more of the sun's rays than all the cars and factories and furnaces produce in the world's biggest economy." But, it is all of those cars and factories and furnaces....and wildfires in Colorado and Siberia...creating the soot that blankets the ice at the poles which drastically changes the albedo to darker, energy absorbing, shades of grey. As draughts continue to ignite fires and cars and factories, and farting cows continue to belch out albedo destroying waste, it creates a "feedback loop" that is running away..no longer controlled by normal earthly cycles.
"Working in Greenland these past years has left me (Photographer James Balog) with a profound feeling of being in the middle of a decisive historic moment – the kind of moment, at least in geologic terms, that marks the grand tidal changes of history." Amid this summer's drama of drought, fire and record heat, the planet's destiny may have been revealed, in a single season, by the quiet metamorphosis of a silent, empty sheet of ice."
quotes from Rolling Stone article The Arctic Ice Crises by Bill McKibben--Aug 16, 2012
Hey Dude, Thom's post was talking about the perccent of income NOT TOTAL amount, the point being that it is A BIGGER sacrifice for the poorer people to give a higher percentage of their income than it is the wealthly. Jesus made the same point about giving to the church. Does the Right wing Bible not have Mark and Matthew in it? It seems that all the teaching about giving and helping your fellow man have been lost.
Mark 12:41-44 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a fraction of a penny.
Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on."
Welcome back, and thank you for another well rounded and informative Big Picture. I can only hope everyone wakes up before it's too late. Thank you, Thom, and may you and your loved ones be healthy and well for years to come.
The point being made is the comparison between income and percentage amount donated...Of those who donate the poor (once known as the middle class) donate a greater percentage of their income. Those who make 6 figures and more donate the least amount (comparable).
I like your figures because it further supports the study. Yes the total amount donated by the higher income is more, but the person with the lesser income gave a greater percent of their income; making the point that those with the least give more of what they have compared to those with the more gave the least of what they have.
I don't have a problem with the idea of being able to make uber amounts of money...BUT...I'd like to see those with the money step-up to the plate and give like they are poor!
Life isn't about hording or wasting. When Gandhi was murdered he had only a wrap of clothing, his glasses, a walking stick, and a bowl and spoon...Yet he gave and accomplished more than all the wealthy and powerfull men of his time.
The facts from the study do not surprise me...I have done many hours of volunteer work for charities and community churches and have been a first hand witness to who is donating and what they are donating. And yes the majority of those who donate the most are those who have the least.
My theory on why this is...Those that are struggling to make ends meet understand first hand the need for selfless acts of helping those less fortunate...The Hungry...The ill...The houseless...Those that need clothes...Those who need a job...An out reaching hand to help one get back on their feet.
I myself have been in dire straights...Without the help of several community out-reach programms - made possable by donations and volunteers - I would have ended up out on the streets.
What makes my head spin and steam shoot out my ears...Selfish Uber rich people that take, take, take, and then take some more, but give very little if anything at all. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!Especially those who sing about being a Christian.
Said it before...I'll say it again; It's time to change our way of thinking so people and planet last.
Let me elaborate...
Country's uneasy
Feeling betrayed
We the people are paying
For the mistakes others have made
The time is coming [the time is NOW]
For us to realize
We must break out from these corrupt government lies
We must resist the urge for power
Who can you trust
Who is incontrol
History shows us that
all governments do decline
From healthy ideas
which in time are tread upon
Let us begin to learn
from the mistakes of the past
Change our way of thinking
So people and planet last
We must resist the urge for power
Who can you trust
Who is in control
(Resist the Urge For Power. No Fraud; Hard To the Core)
While the Investor Class looks towards China and India for cheap labor and high investment returns, I'd like to know:
How many jobs has Mitt Romney created in the United States when practicing his private equity investment runs that squander the life blood of U.S. businesses? This was supposed to be the idealogue borne out of Reagan's 'Trickle Down Effect'. To the Fascist Elephants out there we are still waiting . . .
And, I don't mean Wal-Mart, Target, Hobby Lobby, or Minimum-Wage JOBS!
MerlinD, If you have say 50 dollars and you gave 10 to charity and another person has 400 dollars and gives 40 dollars ,who is giving more?
Yes In terms of dollars the person has given more but as a percentage, the person that has the least to give has given the most .
The illusion is the opposite of what you say as John f Kennedy said, to those who have been given much ,much is asked,America that has the most in real wealth gives below it,s abundance in percentage terms,there are many countries that do more in the world to help in terms of aid than some of the richest countries.
Greed has become one of the biggest problems our planet at this time individual and collective,but this is just a thought ,as there is enough to go around for everyone ,all we have to do is share and share alike ,on this planet right now there are about 400 people that have the same wealth as half of the worlds population are these people giving or just taking because the system is rigged in there favour.
And the higher "tax brackets" get a much larger tax break than the lower "tax brackets" from charitable donations. If I was in a 10% tax bracket and gave $1,000 to charity...I'd get back $100. But if I was in a 35% "tax bracket" I would get back $350.
$3,800 is valued a lot more to someone who makes $50k than $5,600 is valued to someone who makes $200k. People on the lower scales need that money to buy necessities...people on the upper end of the scale don't...it is more discretionary. When people on the upper end of the scale have a lot of discretionary income they don't have to worry as much about just trying to get by. The difference between $5,600 and $3800 is $1800. The difference between $200,000 and $50,000 is $150,000. $1800.00 is practically meaningless when you make $150,000 more than those who make only $50,000. If those who make $200,000 were to donate, percentage-wise, the same amount as the persons making only $50,000...ie: 7.6%...they would have to shell out $7,600....which would be $3,400 more than what they donate at a mere 2.8%. Yes, I see how you have used your numbers to make it seem like the rich are more charitable than the lower income people..but nobody will be stupid enough to accept your rationale...except for fellow Tea-partiers, perhaps.
Trying using real numbers next time Thom, percentagtes hide the real truth all too often.But you know that don't you?
For your claims let's look at real numbers along with your percents
7.6% of 50K = 3,800
4.2% of 100K = 4,200
2.8% of 200K = 5,600
See how percentages are decieving Sure the percentage drops but the real amount, in dollars, which is what really counts goes up. But you don't use real numbers, do you, no you slant the truth with illusions and what amounts to lies.
The war of good and evil should not be so shocking, cannabis enhances 'spiritual awareness' Light and truth,....while alcohol, deadens it...The truth is, that cannabis replaces OIL, shocking!!! and it cures cancer...so, which side are you on?
But it wasn't the rich in those red states that gave...it was the poor, and largely religious people, who are easy to talk out of their money....just mention Jesus and God and you've got them suckered. Why do you think religious people, poor people, old people are constantly picked on by rapacious capitalist wolves who use every sales tactic in the book...including running scam charities that skim off the top after they run tear-jerking ads of some poor little dears barely fed and clothed? Why do you think those people are constantly hammered with telemarketers, insurance salesmen, televangelists, and other hucksters....because they are relatively easy to confuse and to trick out of their money. Most rich people did not get that way by being stupid...they got that way, largely, by being devious and rapacious....that is..if they didn't inherit daddy's money to begin with. So, you can try to paint red states as being more giving but you need to look a little deeper in to the matter before trying to hype it as a virtue. It is not the rich people in those states that are outstripping blue states in charitable giving it is those who can least afford it. So we are really back to square one...rich people...no matter red state or blue state just don't give to charity (especially without getting a tax write off) as much as lower earners do (and the lower you go, the less of a tax write off the charity giver can benefit from).
The most generous states (Utah, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, Idaho and Arkansas) all are red states and gave the highest percent of income. The least generous states (Wisconsin, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire) all are blue states and gave the lowest percent of income. Utah lead with 10.6% and Newshire gave the least at 2.5%.
For those of you who don't realize it, the campaign contributions are not considered charitable contributions.
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Charity!......Is that like when a piggish CEO makes himself look good by donating money his employees actually earned but never received.... all because there were no rules or unions to prevent him from stealing from his workers by freezing wages, cutting health insurance, and retirement contributions?
What surprises me is that anyone would believe that greed could be self-regulated!......... Just ask the Kochs about this....they're laughing their asses off at how easy it is to manipulate teabaggers like Ryan and the Republican Party into helping them achieve unending greed!
Great post we are in agreement. The Saudi minority ownership of FOX is almost never mentioned and quickly glossed over. Much like the cover up of the 9/11 connections with the Saudis and the Bushes that Russ Baker doggedly tries to get out into the light, with little success to date.
Woo! Thom's phoning it in today! (Wait, what?) I'll consider it my first birthday present. Thanks, Thom, and I wish you a pleasant recovery.
The sky isn't falling but the poles are melting!
Unfortunately, politics is really the least of our worries. It is really becoming too late to argue about whether this or that...but to sit back and behold the awesome spectacle of the destruction of the earth. It really is too late to do anything about it. So, sit back kiddies and watch it all disintegrate before your very eyes. All the political arguments are merely a distraction to keep people from freaking out and massively striking out against the privileged few who have, perhaps, known all along how it was going to go down...or not. The ones who have been dragging the rest of us into a world-wide, mass suicide have selfishly maximized their pleasures at the expense of everyone else. Holed up in their pleasure bunkers and guarded by their personal armies, they will be the last to go.
Perhaps they will devolve into future Morlocks burrowing, mole-like, in subterranean realms. Or maybe giant termites, commonly known as "greys" with big black eyes that have been, allegedly, spotted from time to time time-traveling back from our future to repent for having destroyed the world.
If we were being invaded by an invincible force of Klingons, we might be able to reason with them and prostrate our unworthy selves before them in order to survive. There is no way, really, to fight the melting Arctic Ice. Climate change has already displayed it's ruthless forces...just a sample mind you...and an omen of worse things to come....very soon. "Greenland's glaciers are melting far faster than scientists expected." Abrupt changes noticed in just the last few weeks.
They will have to build a gigantic dike around major cities that are located on the coasts...New York, Miami, and Mumbai, for example. Either that or they will have to evacuate. Crops will continue to wither and die. People will starve.
Perhaps some people, who have been hording all the money and building personal survival shelters stocked with generations of rations already know what is about to happen. Let the struggle for survival begin! Some already have a head start! The rest of us will struggle to survive as we experience the exponential rise in food prices at the supermarkets.
Albedo or not to Albedo..that is the question. Albedo is the ability of something to reflect light. Light, ie: energy, is absorbed by darker surfaces and reflected by lighter surfaces...and can be measured from satellites in space. Turns out that the albedo of the poles is rapidly changing for the worse causing an unprecedented absorption of energy. That means, of course, that the ice shelves, bigger than the island of Manhattan, are melting, cracking off and floating away, melting even faster. This changes the salinity of the ocean waters and the temperatures of continental currents which drastically affects long term, very long term, weather patterns. "... this summer: Without warning, the line on the albedo chart dropped deep into uncharted territory."
"Simply by changing the albedo of the Greenland ice sheet....the island now absorbs more extra energy each summer than the U.S. consumes in a year." "The shape and color of the ice sheet's crystals, in other words, are trapping more of the sun's rays than all the cars and factories and furnaces produce in the world's biggest economy." But, it is all of those cars and factories and furnaces....and wildfires in Colorado and Siberia...creating the soot that blankets the ice at the poles which drastically changes the albedo to darker, energy absorbing, shades of grey. As draughts continue to ignite fires and cars and factories, and farting cows continue to belch out albedo destroying waste, it creates a "feedback loop" that is running away..no longer controlled by normal earthly cycles.
"Working in Greenland these past years has left me (Photographer James Balog) with a profound feeling of being in the middle of a decisive historic moment – the kind of moment, at least in geologic terms, that marks the grand tidal changes of history." Amid this summer's drama of drought, fire and record heat, the planet's destiny may have been revealed, in a single season, by the quiet metamorphosis of a silent, empty sheet of ice."
quotes from Rolling Stone article The Arctic Ice Crises by Bill McKibben--Aug 16, 2012
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-arctic-ice-crisis-20120816...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpAMbpQ8J7g&feature=player_embedded
Here Slavoj Zizek explains why Charity is Bull Shit! And in why in a civil society charity shouldn't be needed.
In this short RSA Animate, renowned philosopher Slavoj Zizek investigates the surprising ethical implications of charitable giving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpAMbpQ8J7g&feature=player_embedded
Thank You, Thank You a thousand times Thank You! Best wishes to you and Louise...
Hey Dude, Thom's post was talking about the perccent of income NOT TOTAL amount, the point being that it is A BIGGER sacrifice for the poorer people to give a higher percentage of their income than it is the wealthly. Jesus made the same point about giving to the church. Does the Right wing Bible not have Mark and Matthew in it? It seems that all the teaching about giving and helping your fellow man have been lost.
Mark 12:41-44
Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a fraction of a penny.
Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on."
Do you really believe what I think you are saying??? If so I am going to start praying...And I don't believe in prayer
Welcome back, and thank you for another well rounded and informative Big Picture. I can only hope everyone wakes up before it's too late. Thank you, Thom, and may you and your loved ones be healthy and well for years to come.
MerlinD...You miss the point!!!
The point being made is the comparison between income and percentage amount donated...Of those who donate the poor (once known as the middle class) donate a greater percentage of their income. Those who make 6 figures and more donate the least amount (comparable).
I like your figures because it further supports the study. Yes the total amount donated by the higher income is more, but the person with the lesser income gave a greater percent of their income; making the point that those with the least give more of what they have compared to those with the more gave the least of what they have.
I don't have a problem with the idea of being able to make uber amounts of money...BUT...I'd like to see those with the money step-up to the plate and give like they are poor!
Life isn't about hording or wasting. When Gandhi was murdered he had only a wrap of clothing, his glasses, a walking stick, and a bowl and spoon...Yet he gave and accomplished more than all the wealthy and powerfull men of his time.
The facts from the study do not surprise me...I have done many hours of volunteer work for charities and community churches and have been a first hand witness to who is donating and what they are donating. And yes the majority of those who donate the most are those who have the least.
My theory on why this is...Those that are struggling to make ends meet understand first hand the need for selfless acts of helping those less fortunate...The Hungry...The ill...The houseless...Those that need clothes...Those who need a job...An out reaching hand to help one get back on their feet.
I myself have been in dire straights...Without the help of several community out-reach programms - made possable by donations and volunteers - I would have ended up out on the streets.
What makes my head spin and steam shoot out my ears...Selfish Uber rich people that take, take, take, and then take some more, but give very little if anything at all. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!Especially those who sing about being a Christian.
Said it before...I'll say it again; It's time to change our way of thinking so people and planet last.
Let me elaborate...
Country's uneasy
Feeling betrayed
We the people are paying
For the mistakes others have made
The time is coming [the time is NOW]
For us to realize
We must break out from these corrupt government lies
We must resist the urge for power
Who can you trust
Who is incontrol
History shows us that
all governments do decline
From healthy ideas
which in time are tread upon
Let us begin to learn
from the mistakes of the past
Change our way of thinking
So people and planet last
We must resist the urge for power
Who can you trust
Who is in control
(Resist the Urge For Power. No Fraud; Hard To the Core)
While the Investor Class looks towards China and India for cheap labor and high investment returns, I'd like to know:
How many jobs has Mitt Romney created in the United States when practicing his private equity investment runs that squander the life blood of U.S. businesses? This was supposed to be the idealogue borne out of Reagan's 'Trickle Down Effect'. To the Fascist Elephants out there we are still waiting . . .
And, I don't mean Wal-Mart, Target, Hobby Lobby, or Minimum-Wage JOBS!
MerlinD, If you have say 50 dollars and you gave 10 to charity and another person has 400 dollars and gives 40 dollars ,who is giving more?
Yes In terms of dollars the person has given more but as a percentage, the person that has the least to give has given the most .
The illusion is the opposite of what you say as John f Kennedy said, to those who have been given much ,much is asked,America that has the most in real wealth gives below it,s abundance in percentage terms,there are many countries that do more in the world to help in terms of aid than some of the richest countries.
Greed has become one of the biggest problems our planet at this time individual and collective,but this is just a thought ,as there is enough to go around for everyone ,all we have to do is share and share alike ,on this planet right now there are about 400 people that have the same wealth as half of the worlds population are these people giving or just taking because the system is rigged in there favour.
And the higher "tax brackets" get a much larger tax break than the lower "tax brackets" from charitable donations. If I was in a 10% tax bracket and gave $1,000 to charity...I'd get back $100. But if I was in a 35% "tax bracket" I would get back $350.
http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-deductions-favor-rich-1.aspx
$3,800 is valued a lot more to someone who makes $50k than $5,600 is valued to someone who makes $200k. People on the lower scales need that money to buy necessities...people on the upper end of the scale don't...it is more discretionary. When people on the upper end of the scale have a lot of discretionary income they don't have to worry as much about just trying to get by. The difference between $5,600 and $3800 is $1800. The difference between $200,000 and $50,000 is $150,000. $1800.00 is practically meaningless when you make $150,000 more than those who make only $50,000. If those who make $200,000 were to donate, percentage-wise, the same amount as the persons making only $50,000...ie: 7.6%...they would have to shell out $7,600....which would be $3,400 more than what they donate at a mere 2.8%. Yes, I see how you have used your numbers to make it seem like the rich are more charitable than the lower income people..but nobody will be stupid enough to accept your rationale...except for fellow Tea-partiers, perhaps.
BTW Thom what's your income level and how much do you donate to [real] charities?
Trying using real numbers next time Thom, percentagtes hide the real truth all too often.But you know that don't you?
For your claims let's look at real numbers along with your percents
7.6% of 50K = 3,800
4.2% of 100K = 4,200
2.8% of 200K = 5,600
See how percentages are decieving Sure the percentage drops but the real amount, in dollars, which is what really counts goes up. But you don't use real numbers, do you, no you slant the truth with illusions and what amounts to lies.
The war of good and evil should not be so shocking, cannabis enhances 'spiritual awareness' Light and truth,....while alcohol, deadens it...The truth is, that cannabis replaces OIL, shocking!!! and it cures cancer...so, which side are you on?
But it wasn't the rich in those red states that gave...it was the poor, and largely religious people, who are easy to talk out of their money....just mention Jesus and God and you've got them suckered. Why do you think religious people, poor people, old people are constantly picked on by rapacious capitalist wolves who use every sales tactic in the book...including running scam charities that skim off the top after they run tear-jerking ads of some poor little dears barely fed and clothed? Why do you think those people are constantly hammered with telemarketers, insurance salesmen, televangelists, and other hucksters....because they are relatively easy to confuse and to trick out of their money. Most rich people did not get that way by being stupid...they got that way, largely, by being devious and rapacious....that is..if they didn't inherit daddy's money to begin with. So, you can try to paint red states as being more giving but you need to look a little deeper in to the matter before trying to hype it as a virtue. It is not the rich people in those states that are outstripping blue states in charitable giving it is those who can least afford it. So we are really back to square one...rich people...no matter red state or blue state just don't give to charity (especially without getting a tax write off) as much as lower earners do (and the lower you go, the less of a tax write off the charity giver can benefit from).
The most generous states (Utah, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, Idaho and Arkansas) all are red states and gave the highest percent of income. The least generous states (Wisconsin, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire) all are blue states and gave the lowest percent of income. Utah lead with 10.6% and Newshire gave the least at 2.5%.
For those of you who don't realize it, the campaign contributions are not considered charitable contributions.
Did you also notice that the "greedy" red states gave more than the "generous" blue states?
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What surprises me is that anyone would believe that greed could be self-regulated!......... Just ask the Kochs about this....they're laughing their asses off at how easy it is to manipulate teabaggers like Ryan and the Republican Party into helping them achieve unending greed!
Great post we are in agreement. The Saudi minority ownership of FOX is almost never mentioned and quickly glossed over. Much like the cover up of the 9/11 connections with the Saudis and the Bushes that Russ Baker doggedly tries to get out into the light, with little success to date.