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" Unbeknownst to all but his brother and a handful of advisers, however, in 1963 John Kennedy began pursuing an alternative script on Cuba: a secret dialogue toward an actual rapprochement with Castro. To a policy built upon "overt and covert nastiness," as Top Secret White House memoranda characterized U.S. operations against Cuba, was added "the sweet approach," meaning the possibility of "quietly enticing Castro over to us." National Security Council officials referred to this multitrack policy as "simil-opting"--the use of disparate methods toward the goal of moving Cuba out of the Soviet orbit. By April 1963, alongside proposals for covert sabotage, diplomatic pressure and military contingency plans, "gradual development of some form of accommodation with Castro" was listed in high-level NSC option papers. In a memorandum on "The Cuban Problem," Kennedy adviser McGeorge Bundy provided the rationale for this type of initiative: There is always the possibility that Castro or others currently high in the regime might find advantage in a gradual shift away from their present level of dependence on Moscow. In strictly economic terms, both the United States and Cuba have much to gain from reestablishment of relations. A Titoist Castro is not inconceivable, and a full diplomatic revolution would not be the most extraordinary event in the 20th century. For the Kennedy White House, there was nothing incongruous about such a policy turnaround, Bundy explained in an interview shortly before his death, in 1996. "We wanted to make a reality check on what could or could not be done with Castro," he said. President Kennedy, according to Bundy, "clearly thought this was an exploration worth making because it might lead to something." Kennedy was "strong enough to explore it in a politically nondangerous way." Then, as now, the dangers of domestic politics mitigated against any open effort at a dialogue. With the president already thinking ahead to the 1964 elections, the key problem, Bundy recalls, was "finding a way to do it" that was secure and reliable. "We didn't have a department of peaceful tricks," he noted cryptically. By mid-1963, the Kennedy White House was waiting for what Bundy referred to as "a target of opportunity" to talk to Fidel. It is a historical irony that the opportunity to communicate with Castro arose from the two most hostile episodes in U.S.-Cuba relations: the CIA-directed invasion at the Bay of Pigs and the missile crisis. Negotiations for the ransomed return of 1,200 Bay of Pigs prisoners provided the contacts and confidences under which the first messages could be passed; and the Kremlin's unilateral decision to withdraw its nuclear missiles appeared to provoke a Cuban-Soviet breach that the United States could exploit. Castro's anger at Khrushchev for failing to consult him on the end of the missile crisis caught the attention of U.S. policy makers. An intelligence report on "Future Relations with Castro" prepared by the State Department in June 1963 noted that the "Soviet refusal to run the quarantine and its acquiescence in withdrawing the missiles shook the foundation of Cuban foreign policy." Since the missile crisis, the report stated: Castro has indicated, sometimes vaguely, sometimes rather clearly, through various channels, public as well as private, that he is interested in an accommodation with the United States. His immediate disillusion over the Soviet missile crisis posture probably prompted him to grope for a policy which would diminish his dependence upon the Soviet Union...."
Please Mr. President -- Afghanistan proved to be the USSR's "Vietnam" and it will be our "second Vietnam" if we don't pull out soon. Trying to impose our will upon the Afghans is impossible. Too many people in uniform are being sent home in coffins. Time to end this for the sake of all parties concerned.
doesn't everybody get it ? the american political drama is a chris mindfuc5 !
as soon as obama picked his cabinet it was so obvious.
(wikipedia the resumes of his staff)
same as the old boss !!
another nation state could never overtake or conquer the u.s.
they have to fight our army,,
a corporation can raidand hostilly take over another corporation though, all the staff at the whitehouse are aces there too !(look up the resumes of the staff at wikipedia)
we had them(the banks and raiders on their backs )but bush and then obama rammed the too big to fail bail outs up our &()&*. ever wonder how they recovered so fast,, i do every day,, i have a 125 k mortgage that i will be lucky to pay off in thirty years,, the banks payed back trillions in a few months,, ?????how's your credit now///????
the u.s. started as a company on a charter from the british govt. ( the hudson bay company ) and has been the product of one corporate take over after another. they even gave back the arms to the brits after the revolution.
we have been taken over (The whitehouse) by an as yet un named corporation,, and our army now works for them,,that's why obama is not fighting, he is now on the payroll of the new boss and his kids need shoes, he is a corporate porchmomkey!
we are either pawns or insurgents,,
look out for the blue helmets, that is the next step in the up-coming revelations
I agree with the idea of consulting Greg Mortensen. The White House should offer GM an active role in a 180 Degrees change in policy objective. What we've done so far has worked so sporadically that it is simply not worth the thiousands of human lives we've destroyed. I can just imagine sitting in my porch after dinner, and all of a sudden a massive explosion goes off near my home. The US thought they could KILL an Al Qaeda operative that was hidding in my neighborhood: ....OH AND BY THE WAY, 20 OTHERS DIED FROM THE BOMB.
Are you kidding me?
We need to get NOW and bring Greg Mortensen to the table.
Greg Mortensen would be a natural to fix the problems we've made for ourselves in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Books and education are the solution, not death and destruction.
Read the book -
Zinky Boys: Soviet Voices from the Afghanistan War
and we'll see that our warmaking is no sainted mission. Remember Reader's Digest accounts of the brutality of the Soviet soldier. What's happened to us, all ouf us?!
i really think you need to consider that the banking industry killed JFK or at least pulled the strings to get the black ops operation in motion.... executive order 11110 was ending the power of federal reserve. that is way more money at stake then anything with cuba and the mob business. the federal reserve is the most successful organized crime excerise in world history.
Since Mitch McConnell wants to take down the President (and the USA with him), then we need to realize that anything MM says we should do the opposite! The Senator wants the Bush Tax Cuts extended...must be because that is what will make President Obama fail, right?
S.A.F.E.R. Save America From Economic Royalists. We've got to get some movement going. It's just getting ridiculous. Just one name I came up with. Another was C.A.C.C.A, Citizens Against Corporate Control of America. Kind of spells out what we've been getting from them for years. Then there's F.U.C.C.U.S, Fighting Unregulated (Unbridled) Corporate Control of the U.S. Kind of spells out what they've been doing to us. Or we could leave off the last S, and that could be our response to them.
I still say there's a push to get Palin elected in 2012. She was picked for her pro oil and gas, and anti global warming views in 2008. She quit Alaska to avoid having her negatives go higher in her home state, and to give her behind the scenes backers a chance to invent her and promote her. The reality show, job on Fox, book tour, and even her daughter on Dancing with the Stars is all part of it. We can't underestimate the ability of those backing, like maybe the Koch brother, to promote her. They sold the country on Bush and Cheney. Her election really scares me because it would mean a lot of things, but most importantly, a return to the pro fossil fuel course for this country, and an end to any initiatives for cleaner energy. At a time when all signs are indicating we're in a load of trouble climate and environment wise.
But it bears repeating: I looked up what the 1913 personal deductions were (when the constitution was amended to allow an income tax after the Supreme court had struck down the "Republican" income tax from the civil war as unconstitiual) I found that it was $3,000.00 for an individual, $4,000 for a couple. (this did not appear to be adjusted for inflation)
The tax rate in 1913 on incomes from $0 to 20,000 was 1% (probably did not have a lot of other deductions in that day and age). In 1917 it was reduced to $1000 per person, $2,000 for Married couples, and $200. for added dependents.
Then I wondered what the current value of $3,000 was adjusted for inflation. I found a calculator that came up with a figure that to buy something for $3,000 in 1913, would cost $66,276.06 in 2010. So lets adjust for inflation and reinstate the 1913 exemption!
CAN ONE BE A CHRISTIAN AND A CONSERVATIVE AT THE SAME TIME? Two Thousand years ago in the midst of the Conservative, Militantly, Bellicose, Roman Empire and the parallel Rule of the Ultraconservative Conservative Herodian Kings and Priests, where the death penalty was a broadly used as it has been in Texas and Florida since the Bush advent therein, there came a man who opposed all of that for which they stood. He opposed the death penalty and much forgiving of sexual sins. (The woman caught in adultery John 8:1-11) He despised greed/avarice which the Bushites Gekko say is Good!. Luke 16:19-31 The avaricious rich man He opposed violence of any sort; he was by his own admission, "meek and mild." He advocated tolerance and acceptance of others. He offered free health care to any who approached him. He also refused to condemn or judge others except for the rich who were avaricious and the hypocrites. He opposed judging others, a prime factor in the Bush administration IS judging others Luke 7: 37-42- judging others He was dismissive of sexuality as a major judgmental concern. Luke 4:4-42 Samaritan woman at Jacob's Well Jesus was, by the definitions, condemnation and attacks on Liberals by the Bushites and the "Christian" Right, a "bleeding Heart Liberal." They are indeed correct, because in his opposition to everything for which The Conservative Roman Empire and the Ultraconservative Conservative Herodian Kings and Priests, stood Jesus was and remains a Liberal. There is no way the Church can, without being hypocritical wriggle its way around the reality that one cannot be a Christian and a Conservative, any more than one can be a Christian and support the slaughter in Iraq (A nation 12 times smaller than the USA, and lacking air force and navy at the time of the invasion), and the planned slaughters in Iran, and Venezuela. Therefore, begs the question, CAN A PERSON BE BOTH A CHRISTIAN AND A CONSERVATIVE?
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So how come JFK and Bobby had a secret program to have rapproachment with Castro, contrary to your book's thesis ?
JFK and Castro
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/JFK-and-Castro_7300
" Unbeknownst to all but his brother and a handful of advisers, however, in 1963 John Kennedy began pursuing an alternative script on Cuba: a secret dialogue toward an actual rapprochement with Castro. To a policy built upon "overt and covert nastiness," as Top Secret White House memoranda characterized U.S. operations against Cuba, was added "the sweet approach," meaning the possibility of "quietly enticing Castro over to us." National Security Council officials referred to this multitrack policy as "simil-opting"--the use of disparate methods toward the goal of moving Cuba out of the Soviet orbit. By April 1963, alongside proposals for covert sabotage, diplomatic pressure and military contingency plans, "gradual development of some form of accommodation with Castro" was listed in high-level NSC option papers. In a memorandum on "The Cuban Problem," Kennedy adviser McGeorge Bundy provided the rationale for this type of initiative: There is always the possibility that Castro or others currently high in the regime might find advantage in a gradual shift away from their present level of dependence on Moscow. In strictly economic terms, both the United States and Cuba have much to gain from reestablishment of relations. A Titoist Castro is not inconceivable, and a full diplomatic revolution would not be the most extraordinary event in the 20th century. For the Kennedy White House, there was nothing incongruous about such a policy turnaround, Bundy explained in an interview shortly before his death, in 1996. "We wanted to make a reality check on what could or could not be done with Castro," he said. President Kennedy, according to Bundy, "clearly thought this was an exploration worth making because it might lead to something." Kennedy was "strong enough to explore it in a politically nondangerous way." Then, as now, the dangers of domestic politics mitigated against any open effort at a dialogue. With the president already thinking ahead to the 1964 elections, the key problem, Bundy recalls, was "finding a way to do it" that was secure and reliable. "We didn't have a department of peaceful tricks," he noted cryptically. By mid-1963, the Kennedy White House was waiting for what Bundy referred to as "a target of opportunity" to talk to Fidel. It is a historical irony that the opportunity to communicate with Castro arose from the two most hostile episodes in U.S.-Cuba relations: the CIA-directed invasion at the Bay of Pigs and the missile crisis. Negotiations for the ransomed return of 1,200 Bay of Pigs prisoners provided the contacts and confidences under which the first messages could be passed; and the Kremlin's unilateral decision to withdraw its nuclear missiles appeared to provoke a Cuban-Soviet breach that the United States could exploit. Castro's anger at Khrushchev for failing to consult him on the end of the missile crisis caught the attention of U.S. policy makers. An intelligence report on "Future Relations with Castro" prepared by the State Department in June 1963 noted that the "Soviet refusal to run the quarantine and its acquiescence in withdrawing the missiles shook the foundation of Cuban foreign policy." Since the missile crisis, the report stated: Castro has indicated, sometimes vaguely, sometimes rather clearly, through various channels, public as well as private, that he is interested in an accommodation with the United States. His immediate disillusion over the Soviet missile crisis posture probably prompted him to grope for a policy which would diminish his dependence upon the Soviet Union...."
we never should have went in the first place..and...we should leave now
what this government is doing will make no difference in our security
other than make more of the world hate our government.
Please Mr. President -- Afghanistan proved to be the USSR's "Vietnam" and it will be our "second Vietnam" if we don't pull out soon. Trying to impose our will upon the Afghans is impossible. Too many people in uniform are being sent home in coffins. Time to end this for the sake of all parties concerned.
When should we get out of Afghanistan? YESTERDAY!
Two words only.
Thank you.
wake up wake up wake up
doesn't everybody get it ? the american political drama is a chris mindfuc5 !
as soon as obama picked his cabinet it was so obvious.
(wikipedia the resumes of his staff)
same as the old boss !!
another nation state could never overtake or conquer the u.s.
they have to fight our army,,
a corporation can raidand hostilly take over another corporation though, all the staff at the whitehouse are aces there too !(look up the resumes of the staff at wikipedia)
we had them(the banks and raiders on their backs )but bush and then obama rammed the too big to fail bail outs up our &()&*. ever wonder how they recovered so fast,, i do every day,, i have a 125 k mortgage that i will be lucky to pay off in thirty years,, the banks payed back trillions in a few months,, ?????how's your credit now///????
the u.s. started as a company on a charter from the british govt. ( the hudson bay company ) and has been the product of one corporate take over after another. they even gave back the arms to the brits after the revolution.
we have been taken over (The whitehouse) by an as yet un named corporation,, and our army now works for them,,that's why obama is not fighting, he is now on the payroll of the new boss and his kids need shoes, he is a corporate porchmomkey!
we are either pawns or insurgents,,
look out for the blue helmets, that is the next step in the up-coming revelations
I shouted out who killed the kennedys
after all it was
tony soprano
I agree with the idea of consulting Greg Mortensen. The White House should offer GM an active role in a 180 Degrees change in policy objective. What we've done so far has worked so sporadically that it is simply not worth the thiousands of human lives we've destroyed. I can just imagine sitting in my porch after dinner, and all of a sudden a massive explosion goes off near my home. The US thought they could KILL an Al Qaeda operative that was hidding in my neighborhood: ....OH AND BY THE WAY, 20 OTHERS DIED FROM THE BOMB.
Are you kidding me?
We need to get NOW and bring Greg Mortensen to the table.
Greg Mortensen would be a natural to fix the problems we've made for ourselves in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Books and education are the solution, not death and destruction.
Read the book -
Zinky Boys: Soviet Voices from the Afghanistan War
and we'll see that our warmaking is no sainted mission. Remember Reader's Digest accounts of the brutality of the Soviet soldier. What's happened to us, all ouf us?!
i really think you need to consider that the banking industry killed JFK or at least pulled the strings to get the black ops operation in motion.... executive order 11110 was ending the power of federal reserve. that is way more money at stake then anything with cuba and the mob business. the federal reserve is the most successful organized crime excerise in world history.
Since Mitch McConnell wants to take down the President (and the USA with him), then we need to realize that anything MM says we should do the opposite! The Senator wants the Bush Tax Cuts extended...must be because that is what will make President Obama fail, right?
S.A.F.E.R. Save America From Economic Royalists. We've got to get some movement going. It's just getting ridiculous. Just one name I came up with. Another was C.A.C.C.A, Citizens Against Corporate Control of America. Kind of spells out what we've been getting from them for years. Then there's F.U.C.C.U.S, Fighting Unregulated (Unbridled) Corporate Control of the U.S. Kind of spells out what they've been doing to us. Or we could leave off the last S, and that could be our response to them.
I still say there's a push to get Palin elected in 2012. She was picked for her pro oil and gas, and anti global warming views in 2008. She quit Alaska to avoid having her negatives go higher in her home state, and to give her behind the scenes backers a chance to invent her and promote her. The reality show, job on Fox, book tour, and even her daughter on Dancing with the Stars is all part of it. We can't underestimate the ability of those backing, like maybe the Koch brother, to promote her. They sold the country on Bush and Cheney. Her election really scares me because it would mean a lot of things, but most importantly, a return to the pro fossil fuel course for this country, and an end to any initiatives for cleaner energy. At a time when all signs are indicating we're in a load of trouble climate and environment wise.
I posted this before.
But it bears repeating: I looked up what the 1913 personal deductions were (when the constitution was amended to allow an income tax after the Supreme court had struck down the "Republican" income tax from the civil war as unconstitiual) I found that it was $3,000.00 for an individual, $4,000 for a couple. (this did not appear to be adjusted for inflation)
The tax rate in 1913 on incomes from $0 to 20,000 was 1% (probably did not have a lot of other deductions in that day and age). In 1917 it was reduced to $1000 per person, $2,000 for Married couples, and $200. for added dependents.
Then I wondered what the current value of $3,000 was adjusted for inflation. I found a calculator that came up with a figure that to buy something for $3,000 in 1913, would cost $66,276.06 in 2010. So lets adjust for inflation and reinstate the 1913 exemption!
CAN ONE BE A CHRISTIAN AND A CONSERVATIVE AT THE SAME TIME?
Two Thousand years ago in the midst of the Conservative, Militantly, Bellicose, Roman Empire and the parallel Rule of the Ultraconservative Conservative Herodian Kings and Priests, where the death penalty was a broadly used as it has been in Texas and Florida since the Bush advent therein, there came a man who opposed all of that for which they stood. He opposed the death penalty and much forgiving of sexual sins. (The woman caught in adultery John 8:1-11)
He despised greed/avarice which the Bushites Gekko say is Good!. Luke 16:19-31 The avaricious rich man
He opposed violence of any sort; he was by his own admission, "meek and mild." He advocated tolerance and acceptance of others. He offered free health care to any who approached him.
He also refused to condemn or judge others except for the rich who were avaricious and the hypocrites. He opposed judging others, a prime factor in the Bush administration IS judging others Luke 7: 37-42- judging others
He was dismissive of sexuality as a major judgmental concern. Luke 4:4-42 Samaritan woman at Jacob's Well
Jesus was, by the definitions, condemnation and attacks on Liberals by the Bushites and the "Christian" Right, a "bleeding Heart Liberal." They are indeed correct, because in his opposition to everything for which The Conservative Roman Empire and the Ultraconservative Conservative Herodian Kings and Priests, stood Jesus was and remains a Liberal. There is no way the Church can, without being hypocritical wriggle its way around the reality that one cannot be a Christian and a Conservative, any more than one can be a Christian and support the slaughter in Iraq (A nation 12 times smaller than the USA, and lacking air force and navy at the time of the invasion), and the planned slaughters in Iran, and Venezuela.
Therefore, begs the question, CAN A PERSON BE BOTH A CHRISTIAN AND A CONSERVATIVE?