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flyguy8650, there's no difference between a Democrat and a Socialist unless Democrats say so. The DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) have long been the democratic wing of the Democratic Party. For more explanation read my blog post.
How would repealing Citizens United lead to a less informed public?
Hillary has been answering some points the Republicans have been making and it's been aired on our local CBS affiliate in Chicago. Apparently Schultz and the official Democratic Party leadership want to make sure Bernie never gets a word in.
Gotta protect Hillary, she'd never make it in a fair fight.
I don't know why anybody thinks "Hillary is moving to the left." her rhetoric iss moving to the left. She and her husband have always said anything to get elected (and don't say she's different from her husband because they always touted and promoted themselves as a husband and wife team) and not at all shy about campaigning as lefties but, once elected, ignored the people and served the moneyed interests.
Hillary was for the Iraq war - now is against it; was against same-sex marriage, now is for it; has flipped on NAFTA, immigration, Cuba, criminal sentencing, etc.. She probably has more flip flops in her career than any other politician in U.S. history. Why does anybody think we should believe anything she says, now or ever?
What I'd like to say here would be little too long winded so I'd like to refer people to my blog post which will, I think, give everything anyone needs to know about socialism and democracy - if I may tout my own article/post.
flyguy8650 -- What our democracy or any democracy critically needs is a informed electorate. Everything you suggest will not lead to a more informed electorate. Although, repeal of Citizen's United will lead to a less misinformed public. I think a greater impact could be made by each of us suggesting to whoever we can to watch more FSTV.
Also, I think passing "card check" would have a greater effect than anything you suggest (except the repeal of CU). In 2009, we came within 2 or 3 votes of passing the Employee Free Choice Act (Ou812 - did I clean up my stmt enough?). Every repug voted against it. The parties are very different.
I doubt that Hillary and Debbie smoke cigars but...
Isn't the chair of the DNC supposed to be neutral until the Democratic candidate is chosen? Was Howard Dean as partisan as Debbie Wasserman Schultz toward a particular candidate in the last presidential election?
Also, isn't the chair of the DNC supposed to be neutral until the Democratic candidate is chosen? Was Howard Dean as partisan as Debbie Wasserman Schultz toward a particular candidate in the last presidential election?
This is going to be 1972 all over again. Bernie is going to be shunned by the mainstream, and even if he does manage to get the Democratic nomination, the Democrat power structure will sabotage his campaign... Just like they did to George McGovern. You see, the money people don't really care if Hillary or Jeb win, They know that with either, they will be safe. Bernie is a threat to them, and they will not let him happen. It is going to take an absolute grass roots show of support and campaigning to get Bernie elected, because the machine is going to do everything to prevent it.
IRV -- Thanks for the reminder about Debbie W.
Looks like I was a day ahead of the Angelia Wade-Stubbs interview.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/mathboy/blog/2015/08/enforcing-amendment-xiv-section-2
It will be interesting the hear the nonsense from the GOP debates. There should be early debates from both GOP & Democrat. I'd like to see Bernie debate a few of the right wing public enemies. There is nothing good that they do, how can they stand up for themselves? Can't think of a thing they have done to put America back to work or bring our factories home. Good at shipping them out though. Inserting religion in government is a real winner for the zealots, they will be happy to take the vote from women along with their health care. I'm surprised any woman would have anything to do with any of them. I'm getting ready for a big laugh.
flyguy8650; As one Baby Boomer to another, the forbears of this current bunch in Washington were already busy wrecking the New Deal and taking back control of the economy before we were potty trained ! Our parents remained silent even when the Right in this country quickly pushed through the 22nd Amendment that would insure Lame Duck status for any future president who had a long term agenda that would benefit the citizens of this country, and all this occurred before you and I attended the first grade ! We would have responded to this if we hadn't been children of those who were forced to struggled through the Great Depression and told us to be quiet lest we cause another one. For me, I'll keeping fighting to inform younger generations that there is no compromise with these zealots, never has been and never will be !
Considering the fact that both political parties are now fully committed to the same private financial interests, there's really no rush to kill the golden goose this early in the game by dredging up issues that go against the wishes of the wealthy oligarchs who now control everything ! A year from now when the party nominating conventions are in full swing, all those candidates who have played their assigned roles and exhausted their financial resources will be lining up to rubber stamp their party's chosen standard bearer that has likely already been determined ! Today is the fiftieth anniversary of the signing of the Voting Rights Act by president Lyndon Johnson, maybe we should use this occasion to raise the issue that not voting for the same people that have sold out their integrity and their constituent's futures to private financial interests is also a valid decision. The intensive coverage of minute by minute voting results by the Main Stream Media on election night would be hard pressed to hide the fact that the entire population had essentially registered a vote of no confidence for either political party and the direction that they have been taking this country !
Panelist Charles Sauer
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Bow-tied and callowly sophomoric,
this panelist is vividly metaphoric
for Rightists who add virtually nada
to intelligent conversations.
Thom’s show, methinks, really oughta
limit their orations, their bloviations.
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Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the Democratic National was one of the traitors who voted to sell America's sovereignity down the sewer for a few pieces of silver, by voting for the illegal Fast Track so-called trade deal.
Thom: I'd love to be able to propogate the point you are trying to make here via Social Media like FB, but I simply cannot because no one wants to listen to the babbling misinformation emanating from the antagonists... If you really want your show to be propogated by We The Progressives who are virtually the only ones watching your channel, I highly recommend doing away with "debating society panels" like this and "the rumble" and simply bring in advocates to clarify and expound upon "Democratic-Socialist" functionality.... If you can't get visibility, what's the point? We can help you, but we need you to listen to what Progressives want to hear... Forget about worrying about "appearing fair and balanced". We already know who made THAT mistake.
Interesting developments each day. The "OPPOSAMES) GOP and DEMs are looking more and more like the bufoons that they are. Out of touch, corrupt and identical in their desire to "manage" our lives and take our hard earned depreciating dollars.
I never thought I would say this but Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump or Carly F or Dr. Ben all look so much more intelligent and more importantly - HONEST - than Hillary, Jeb or the rest of the bunch. I may have to become a center left independant if one of the more moderate GOP group does not stand out. Actually I think it is about time we started to grow a grass roots federal government. Term limits, get rid of Citzens United, hold campagning to 30 days before the election and return to a government OF THE HONEST PEOPLE with good intelligence and the ability to talk the truth and make the hard decisions. In fact, how about a Sanders/Trump Ticket!!! Now that would really be
"Change we can Believe In!"
Throw ALL incumbents out on their asses with NO Pensions!! YOUR FIRED!!
Can't wait to see Dems go at it! Debbie W can't even figure out what the difference is between Socialist and Democrat. This is so much fun! Glad I will be dead by the time this all implodes. I fear for my grandkids however but have HOPE in the youth of America.
Just my two cent worth of hyperbole.
Glad I am a baby boomer, it was a great run!! Lot's of Fun....I apologize to all you under 50's for what my generation is leaving you and what our elected ass__les have done with a great country.
The Democrats never go on offense, always just a timid defense...including Obama. Now I have to register with the timid party in order to vote for Bernie in the primary, something I reminded everyone at a recent organizing party. Yes there were folks who didn't realize this ...rules on voting in the primaries differ from state to state, so just be aware. Bernie can't get from point A to C, the White House, without winning point B, the primary.
I received one of the form letters from the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz yesterday. It was about the upcoming GOP debate on Thursday with their 10 hopefuls. I responded to it. I had to go to their website and copy it again - but it was worth it! I sure felt better! My response:
"How will the democratic party counter these buffoons? They have nothing to offer the american people - but unless we get our message out - there will be a lot of gullible americans believing that this republican way is the only way. Why not have more debates or at least a response from each of the Democratic candidates? After every republican debate!! We have some very good candidates. The american people need to see how great our candidates are and how they are soooo much better than anything the republicans can roll out."
Hope it does some good.
WHEN will anyone notice the implications of this situation:
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The Repub PARTY kknows this happened, but the US People do NOT!
I think the delay is to reduce the time Bernie speaks. The plan is to recruit as many non candidates as the Republicans have and give them all 5 -10 minutes apiece. Then when Bernie's turn comes up, give him some inane topic to talk about. Shame that the debate won't be focused between Bernie and Hillary. We still have a lot of work to do to make the electorate Bernie familiar. Bad idea waiting for and relying solely on the Democratic debate.
Trump is teaching us more about his base constituency than about the other candidates. It would not surprise me to find that some portion of Trump's political base tuned in to the Apprentice. Perhaps some of his television fans never recognized that Trump played an unwitting parody of himself on the Apprentice. Now the parody includes Trump's political base. In the meantime, Trump fans who always understood the joke are happy to be entertained in a new forum.
My impression is that politcal talk on TV is essentially not for rational dialog
between opposing views.
Rather, each side uses their own vocabulary and catch phrases to fire up their
base.
It appears Tom and other progressive talk shows are doing a great job of energizing,
so why not let the Repubs shout into the wind at this early date?
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Thank you for pressing this issue. Perhaps a letter campaign to the DNC might help. What are the chances of alternative progressive media outlets uniting to form such a campaign?