One more thought: I'd just like to applaud JKRASNER's excellent points as well. Bernie's campaign team really needs to get their security act together FAST. If that man was assassinated, I'd cry me a river. He represents hope to me. No other candidate does.
I also think Cheerful Clips (post #4) makes excellent suggestions.
I do not believe for a moment that those two obnoxious twits represented the Black Lives Matter movement. Even if they were genuine BLM activists, they are doing the BLM movement no favors; quite the contrary, they are harming it by behaving like goddam idiots. Calling the crowd “racist” simply for wanting to listen to Bernie Sanders is the stupidest, most ridiculous accusation they could have made.
Please do not misunderstand me, folks. I am a huge fan of the Black Lives Matter movement. Racism is real. What’s more, I see the evidence of it all over this website on a daily basis. I’ve locked horns with more of my fellow whites on these blogs than I could count. This is the first time in recent memory I’ve seen any person of color make claims of “racism” I could not support.
The question that keeps popping up for me is: Why Bernie? Why not any of the other candidates, who (unlike Bernie) couldn’t care less about black lives, let alone anyone outside the Billionaire Welfare Queen Lucky Sperm Club. Just makes no bloody sense.
These dumb-ass twits oughta think twice about the battles they choose. In this instance they accomplished nothing more than to make complete asses of themselves. Were such incidents to continue, they’d only weaken what I view as a viable and necessary social movement. This kind of behavior is hugely destructive. It insults those in the Black Lives Matter movement whose butts are on the line, who carry a message of real substance. It also runs the risk of rendering words like “racist” or “racism” meaningless; much as the word “terrorist” has become, from over-use and abuse where it clearly does not apply.
Remember how the GOP fascists dismantled ACORN? This smells like a deja-vu type moment to me. Those GOP impostors were black too; remember? Not ALL black people reside on the left side of the political fence. A small minority are rightwing fascist pigs with no allegiance to social justice movements and no moral compass, who would throw their black brothers & sisters under the bus in a heartbeat for a nice fat paycheck. I kid you not, they’re “out there”. If it happened once, it could happen again.
Do you not think we were winning many battles against "fossil fuel funded fascists" from 1933 to 1980?
The answer is NO, we weren't! If you don't know what Prohibition was REALLY all about, I suggest you learn a thing or two about ethanol. If you don't know why hemp cultivation and chemurgy was crushed in the the 1930's, I suggest you learn that a viable method of converting plant matter (carbohydrates) to biofuels, paint, textiles, plastics, clothing, phamaceuticals and even car bodies threatend the paper industry, the chemical industry, the pharmaceutical industry and the fossil fuel industry.
chuckle8 asks, Also, why are you leaving out the bankster fascists?
Because, as bad as the banksters are, they would not have contributed with their fiat funny money to the trashing of the planet if the fossil fuel industry hadn't taken control of our government's foreign and domestic policies.
We had money to develop Solar in the 1970's but the fossil fuel industry strangled it. They did it AGAIN in the 1980's along with killing wind turbine research and development.
Reagan was VERY involved in that.
The Fossil Fuel Industry has a long history of profiting from our blood and treasure while they despoil the biosphere.
The following quote from a peer reviewed book is of extreme importance to all Americans:
Dilworth (2010-03-12). Too Smart for our Own Good (pp. 399-400). Cambridge University Press. Kindle Edition.
"As suggested earlier, war, for example, which represents a cost for society, is a source of profit to capitalists. In this way we can partly understand e.g. the American military expenditures in the Persian Gulf area. Already before the first Gulf War, i.e. in 1985, the United States spent $47 billion projecting power into the region. If seen as being spent to obtain Gulf oil, It AMOUNTED TO $468 PER BARREL, or 18 TIMES the $27 or so that at that time was paid for the oil itself.
In fact, if Americans had spent as much to make buildings heat-tight as they spent in ONE YEAR at the end of the 1980s on the military forces meant to protect the Middle Eastern oil fields, THEY COULD HAVE ELIMINATED THE NEED TO IMPORT OIL from the Middle East.
So why have they not done so? Because, while the $468 per barrel may be seen as being a cost the American taxpayers had to bear, and a negative social effect those living in the Gulf area had to bear, it meant only profits for American capitalists. "
Note: I added the bold caps emphasis on the barrel of oil price, money spent in one year and the need to import oil from the Middle East.
This totally unjustified profit, never mind the needless lose of lives, then increases the power of the fossil fuel corporations to perpetuate a biosphere harming dirty fuel status quo. How? By "funding" politicians with rather large "donations" to keep renewable energy from competing with dirty energy.
If all this was just about power politics, I might not be that concerned. Humans, particularly the overly ambitious and aggressive ones, have always fought and schemed to control and fleece the population at large.
But now we know the future of our biosphere is at stake. Now we know the entire edifice of dirty energy is a knife in the back of the biosphere that will destroy our species and many others.
These two women were rude, ill mannered and just plain awful. They are not furthering their cause by this behavior. I can't understand why the police weren't called to have them removed? They were pushing and demanding something that didn't belong to them. The sad thing is they would have been allowed to talk if they were civilized. I wasn't there and only saw a clip of this incident. Bernie Sanders needs to do something about security. This no security and these women breaking the law is unacceptable. Yes, they were disturbing the peace and probably othert violations and should be charged if you want a civilized society. No one should be above the law!
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Below is an ouutline of a very specific and detailed plan I believe you may be interested in, concerning the transportation of Oil, Natural Gas, and of all things; Water too. I'm willing to convey the plan in detail to you or your surrogate's privately, but it entails: • The Govt. being the 'Direct Employer' and 'Entrepreneurial Entity' in replacing the worn and thin walled cross-country oil and gas pipelines with Govt. built, owned, operated, and maintained "Double Containment Pipelines" featuring “Heavier Wall Thickness Anti Corrosive Primary Pipe" then buried in a maintenance accessible Concrete Vault with "Leak Sensors" at regular intervals in the "Containment(secondary) Pipe" Oil and Gas companies would be required, by law to use the New Infrastructure and pay DOT(already oversees) by volume, per distance. The rates should be determined on how clean or dirty the commodity is and the particular company's environmental record. I've witnessed first hand and many times in my 40 plus year construction career, welding up, basically, a "Thin Metal Hose"(sometimes less than 1/4” wall thickness when new and, meant to transport highly corrosive contents) and then pushing it into a 10' hole and burying it. I know this plan doesn't seem very feasible in the current political climate, but bringing it up publicly, may shake "Them" up. If it's new pipelines they want, let's do it right and engineer them to last - AND NO 'Good Ole Boy' hiring practices either, only local employee's hired through individual State Job Resource Centers and being paid 'Davis-Bacon' wages.
Also, come January, big media should be called out for their current boycotting of Senator Sanders campaign and legitimacy - If the Public holds their feet to the fire, they will really feel the "Bern"
At first it seems BLM is attacking "the white American world" for its indifference to America's racist issue, but success will not come from broadcasting anger.
I was wondering the same thing...why aren't Black Lives Matter protestors disrupting the Fascist/Capitalist political gatherings? Is it because you need to shell out $1000, maybe $10,000, per seat in a closed venue? ...or is it because they know they'll get pepper sprayed, tear gassed, arrested, beat sensless, and maybe even shot if they disrupt the Confederate States of Merica candidate rallies....who knows?
I know one thing, all I hear in the corpse media is hoopla about the Trumpster..... but nothing , zero, zilch, about the candidate taking the country by storm....Bernie. The media can hype spousal rapists who marry trophy women a couple decades younger than themselves all they want...it still won't change the ugly and totally out of touch American that Trump really is.
An excellent piece Thom. I hope, for the sake of America, this country can be "rebooted". However, it will take much more than so-called "reformers". The system is utterly broken. Reform isn't going to cut it and the corporate powerbrokers who own Washington aren't going to allow anyone they percieve of endangering the status quo anywhere near the levers of power.
As we all know, both political parties are bought and paid for by these "one Percenters" who make the oligarcy that is now America. While the majority of voters are now Independents (most, former Democrat or Republican moderates), the system has been gerryrigged by both parties to keep Independents and third parties out (as an aside, within the next few years, Independents will outnumber Democrats and Republicans combined).
The real question then becomes how to open up a broken and corrupt system to allow non-party voters to partispate, especially in primaries which restrict voting while being paid for by all taxpayers. Then, how to eleminate gerrymandering in order to create a fair and realisticly base voting district; imposing term limits and overturning corrupt laws like Citizens United and the power of money in politics. We also need to give serious though to ending our "winner take all" system and introducing a more balanced proportional system.
On the business front, we must find ways to end corporate control over Washington and this country. We need to restore our former democratic-republic and end this oligarcy and emerging police state while we still can; we must stop rewarding corporations for exporting jobs and avoiding taxes. We need a more fair tax code (like a consumption tax in lieu of an income tax). We must enforce immigration laws and deport illegals while severely fining those businesses and organziations (including churches) who help smuggle illegals into this country, house them and hire them. There's a right way and wrong way to enter this country and we've been rewarding the wrong way.
Being disabled in Seattle, this incident greatly upset me. The event was a very expensive celebration for Social Security. These young girls must be very ignorant of what that means, or extremely rude. The disabled comprise all colors and walks of life. The majority of us live in extreme poverty. We experience discrimination every day. We understand BLM and what they stand for. We too , have had many disabled people murdered by police. We are their allies. To interrupt one of the very few opportunities we ever have to get together and have people recognize us, is just so disappointing. We would never dream of wheeling up to their stage and taking over. We are also oppressed and sympathize. Please remember this. This was not a political rally it was a celebration and a way to share ideas to get us out of poverty. I wish the press would recognize this. The disabled are young and old and come from every race, religion, and sexual orientation. We deserve respect too.
Step back from the "issue" for a moment. Consider this. Whoever these people are that took the mic away from Bernie does not excuse the fact that they were able to take the stage - get so close to Bernie that they could have harmed him. They could have been anybody with any cause.
I would think that Bernie's campaign learned a basic security lesson from this unforgivable breach. No one should be allowed to get that close to Bernie unchallenged. I have already emailed Bernie and hope steps will be taken to prevent anything like this in the future.
Thom, please relate this concern to Bernie's campaign.
The leaders of the BLM, want those two radical Christian fascist and Sarah Palin supporters to NOT speak on behalf of BLM and demanded that they appologize to Bernie:
I think most Americans of all colors know that Senator Sanders is the only chance we haveto unseat the fossil fuel funded fascists running our country (and the world) into pollution perdition.
Expect bought and paid for faux progressives (see Counterpunch recent attacks on Senator Sanders) resort to the old Divdem Et Impera Empathy Deficit Disordered skullduggery that the fossil fuel industry funds.
The Fossil Fuel Industry has given us Degraded Democracy and Profit over Planet Pollution
As those of you that still possess a modicum of reading comprehension will understand, the fossil fuel industry has ALWAYS been involved in DEGRADING OUR DEMOCRACY while they REFUSE to admit they are degrading the biosphere along the way.
A portion of the American populace, that doesn't want to face that fascist reality, continues to rationalize our "need" for this fossil fuel burning planetary plague with BALONEY about civilization, high energy density or, for those Empathy Deficit Disordered quislings that work for the planet polluters, having to pay for student loans or put food on the table.
Human society has always had Empathy Deficit Disordered people totally devoid of foresight. But only with the advent of the Industrial Revolution did these cause and effect challenged greedballs succeed in running our society. The fossil fuel industry actually believes it has a 'you need us' gun to our heads. They've got power and they've got a gun. Although they are too blind, too greedy or just too stupid to see it, that gun has already gone off in their faces, as well as ours.
Senator Sanders is the only person with a chance (and a slim one at that even AFTER he is electeded POTUS) of stopping this insanity.Let us hope that those of us that are still sane prevail.
Had a scathing comment ready until I read the one by Oberlin36. He could very well be right about someone behind the idiots that interrupted Bernie. Can't put anything past the lower than snakes gop. I'd bet we can expect more. Thanks for pointing that out Oberlin. Saved me from my comment, it was not nice.
August 11 2015 Hi there. If some folks from a group with important progressive ideas demand to speak at a Bernie Sanders public event - come on, give them the mic and let them speak. But FIRST ask them to provide some contacts you can call to see if there really is a respected progressive organization like Black Lives Matter who actually knows who they are - other than the FBI / CIA / NSA / Agenda 21 / NWO / CFR / Trilaterial Commission / U.S. Chamber of Commerce / Koche Bros. Think Tank / RNC / Jeb Bush / Ran Paul / Fox News / Warren Commission / 911 Commission / Police Benevolent League / Ted Turner & Bill Gates Depopulation Brigade / DARPA / JADE 3 AI Software Systems / U.S. Air Force Nondisclosure Center for PR. There may be some folks who want Bernie to stop talking about lots of stuff. Ya think? Stay tuned.
I was at the rally at Westlake Center in Seattle on Saturday 8/8 and I do not think the two women who prevented Bernie from speaking were representatives of the Black Lives Matter movement. The program included Gerald Hankerson, president of the King County NAACP. He wore a Black Lives Matter T-shirt, talked about how a disproportionate number of African Americans are dependant on Social Security as their sole source of income (tieing it to the event) and many of the same topics that were the supposed grievances of the two disrupters. At one point he had the audience chanting, "Black Lives Matter." Most of the speakers leading up to Bernie talked about these issues, as well. Then, these two women get up and deliberately try to anger a crowd that had been standing in the hot sun for two hours waiting to hear Bernie speak and, when the audience started shouting for them to get off the stage and, "let Bernie speak", they call the audience racists. This seemed to be orchestrated deliberately to provoke the audience to behave in such a way that they COULD call them racists. Their facebook page, Black Lives Matter Seattle, was just set up the day of the event. Where were they for other BLM events, such as the protest march in May in reaction to the death of Freddie Gray? After the event was shut down, a reporter from the local TV station, King 5, asked to interview them and they said no and made obscene gestures to their cameras. If their agenda was truly to get support for the BLM movement, why wouldn't they make the most of this opportunity to reach a wider audience? Because their only "agenda" was to stop Bernie from speaking and give the impression that Bernie is indifferent to Black lives. I wonder who paid them to do this?
In your precinct, mathboy, I'm guessing maybe you get 20 or so regular volunteers at election time to go out and canvass or phone bank. Simply doubling that amount can make a difference in the many elections decided by a few percentage points. And yet you wonder if anyone will walk in the door of your caucus at all, let alone volunteer to take over your leadership position (in some of our precincts no one shows up; at all!). By the number of righteously indignant commenters on countless boards and social media you'd think people'd be flocking to caucuses or party conventions to actually have a hand in changing things. But no. Guess it's just easier to sit home and bitch at the people who do.
I led a congressional district and one thing I learned is that people who will tell you what you and/or the party are doing wrong are a freakin' dime a dozen. People who get off their butts and actually do something are rare and valuable as diamonds. Sorry, but if someone's not ready to step up and help solve the problems they're bitchin' about, then I am too busy doing five people's worth of work to really give a rat's keester what they think. And the excuses are just that: as if I don't have to work or drive my kids somewhere or clean the litter box -whatever. If people cared as much as it seems they do from the online bloviating, they'd make time.
Good for you (for everyone) for doing your part, mathboy!
And maybe Tom, whom we all love, might get a local activist on from time to time to reinforce how important it is for listeners to do more than just listen.
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Reply to #3: Oberlin- EXACTLY.
I also think Cheerful Clips (post #4) makes excellent suggestions.
I do not believe for a moment that those two obnoxious twits represented the Black Lives Matter movement. Even if they were genuine BLM activists, they are doing the BLM movement no favors; quite the contrary, they are harming it by behaving like goddam idiots. Calling the crowd “racist” simply for wanting to listen to Bernie Sanders is the stupidest, most ridiculous accusation they could have made.
Please do not misunderstand me, folks. I am a huge fan of the Black Lives Matter movement. Racism is real. What’s more, I see the evidence of it all over this website on a daily basis. I’ve locked horns with more of my fellow whites on these blogs than I could count. This is the first time in recent memory I’ve seen any person of color make claims of “racism” I could not support.
The question that keeps popping up for me is: Why Bernie? Why not any of the other candidates, who (unlike Bernie) couldn’t care less about black lives, let alone anyone outside the Billionaire Welfare Queen Lucky Sperm Club. Just makes no bloody sense.
These dumb-ass twits oughta think twice about the battles they choose. In this instance they accomplished nothing more than to make complete asses of themselves. Were such incidents to continue, they’d only weaken what I view as a viable and necessary social movement. This kind of behavior is hugely destructive. It insults those in the Black Lives Matter movement whose butts are on the line, who carry a message of real substance. It also runs the risk of rendering words like “racist” or “racism” meaningless; much as the word “terrorist” has become, from over-use and abuse where it clearly does not apply.
Remember how the GOP fascists dismantled ACORN? This smells like a deja-vu type moment to me. Those GOP impostors were black too; remember? Not ALL black people reside on the left side of the political fence. A small minority are rightwing fascist pigs with no allegiance to social justice movements and no moral compass, who would throw their black brothers & sisters under the bus in a heartbeat for a nice fat paycheck. I kid you not, they’re “out there”. If it happened once, it could happen again.
chuckle8 asks,
Do you not think we were winning many battles against "fossil fuel funded fascists" from 1933 to 1980?
The answer is NO, we weren't! If you don't know what Prohibition was REALLY all about, I suggest you learn a thing or two about ethanol. If you don't know why hemp cultivation and chemurgy was crushed in the the 1930's, I suggest you learn that a viable method of converting plant matter (carbohydrates) to biofuels, paint, textiles, plastics, clothing, phamaceuticals and even car bodies threatend the paper industry, the chemical industry, the pharmaceutical industry and the fossil fuel industry.
chuckle8 asks, Also, why are you leaving out the bankster fascists?
Because, as bad as the banksters are, they would not have contributed with their fiat funny money to the trashing of the planet if the fossil fuel industry hadn't taken control of our government's foreign and domestic policies.
How the Promise of Chemurgy Was Dashed by Big Oil
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We had money to develop Solar in the 1970's but the fossil fuel industry strangled it. They did it AGAIN in the 1980's along with killing wind turbine research and development.
Reagan was VERY involved in that.
The Fossil Fuel Industry has a long history of profiting from our blood and treasure while they despoil the biosphere.
The following quote from a peer reviewed book is of extreme importance to all Americans:
Dilworth (2010-03-12). Too Smart for our Own Good (pp. 399-400). Cambridge University Press. Kindle Edition.
"As suggested earlier, war, for example, which represents a cost for society, is a source of profit to capitalists. In this way we can partly understand e.g. the American military expenditures in the Persian Gulf area. Already before the first Gulf War, i.e. in 1985, the United States spent $47 billion projecting power into the region. If seen as being spent to obtain Gulf oil, It AMOUNTED TO $468 PER BARREL, or 18 TIMES the $27 or so that at that time was paid for the oil itself.
In fact, if Americans had spent as much to make buildings heat-tight as they spent in ONE YEAR at the end of the 1980s on the military forces meant to protect the Middle Eastern oil fields, THEY COULD HAVE ELIMINATED THE NEED TO IMPORT OIL from the Middle East.
So why have they not done so? Because, while the $468 per barrel may be seen as being a cost the American taxpayers had to bear, and a negative social effect those living in the Gulf area had to bear, it meant only profits for American capitalists. "
Note: I added the bold caps emphasis on the barrel of oil price, money spent in one year and the need to import oil from the Middle East.
This totally unjustified profit, never mind the needless lose of lives, then increases the power of the fossil fuel corporations to perpetuate a biosphere harming dirty fuel status quo. How? By "funding" politicians with rather large "donations" to keep renewable energy from competing with dirty energy.
If all this was just about power politics, I might not be that concerned. Humans, particularly the overly ambitious and aggressive ones, have always fought and schemed to control and fleece the population at large.
But now we know the future of our biosphere is at stake. Now we know the entire edifice of dirty energy is a knife in the back of the biosphere that will destroy our species and many others.
These two women were rude, ill mannered and just plain awful. They are not furthering their cause by this behavior. I can't understand why the police weren't called to have them removed? They were pushing and demanding something that didn't belong to them. The sad thing is they would have been allowed to talk if they were civilized. I wasn't there and only saw a clip of this incident. Bernie Sanders needs to do something about security. This no security and these women breaking the law is unacceptable. Yes, they were disturbing the peace and probably othert violations and should be charged if you want a civilized society. No one should be above the law!
Attention Bernie:
New Pipeline Infrastructure Proposal and Plan Outline
Below is an ouutline of a very specific and detailed plan I believe you may be
interested in, concerning the transportation of Oil, Natural Gas, and of all things;
Water too. I'm willing to convey the plan in detail to you or your surrogate's privately,
but it entails:
• The Govt. being the 'Direct Employer' and 'Entrepreneurial Entity' in replacing
the worn and thin walled cross-country oil and gas pipelines with Govt. built,
owned, operated, and maintained "Double Containment Pipelines" featuring
“Heavier Wall Thickness Anti Corrosive Primary Pipe" then buried in a
maintenance accessible Concrete Vault with "Leak Sensors" at regular intervals
in the "Containment(secondary) Pipe" Oil and Gas companies would be
required, by law to use the New Infrastructure and pay DOT(already oversees)
by volume, per distance. The rates should be determined on how clean or dirty
the commodity is and the particular company's environmental record.
I've witnessed first hand and many times in my 40 plus year construction career,
welding up, basically, a "Thin Metal Hose"(sometimes less than 1/4” wall thickness
when new and, meant to transport highly corrosive contents) and then pushing it into a 10' hole and burying it. I know this plan doesn't seem very feasible in the current political climate, but bringing it up publicly, may shake "Them" up. If it's new pipelines they want, let's do it right and engineer them to last - AND NO 'Good Ole Boy' hiring practices either, only local employee's hired through individual State Job Resource Centers and being paid 'Davis-Bacon' wages.
Also, come January, big media should be called out for their current boycotting of Senator Sanders campaign and legitimacy - If the Public holds their feet to the fire, they will really feel the "Bern"
At first it seems BLM is attacking "the white American world" for its indifference to America's racist issue, but success will not come from broadcasting anger.
Structural racism is real, and Thandeka has a great essay at http://sjwar.blogspot.com/2010/01/6-essential-points-from-thandeka-anti.html which shows the flaws in anti-racism as often practiced--or even as understood. Her discussion of religion, liberal activity, and politics at http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/thandeka-on-americas-new-spiritual-pioneers gets at many things I had not realized. My eyes opened, though the facets are both obvious and hidden, some of racism's most destructive force is wielded in secret.
My question exactly. Makes no sense & seems to be at best counter productive.
I was wondering the same thing...why aren't Black Lives Matter protestors disrupting the Fascist/Capitalist political gatherings? Is it because you need to shell out $1000, maybe $10,000, per seat in a closed venue? ...or is it because they know they'll get pepper sprayed, tear gassed, arrested, beat sensless, and maybe even shot if they disrupt the Confederate States of Merica candidate rallies....who knows?
I know one thing, all I hear in the corpse media is hoopla about the Trumpster..... but nothing , zero, zilch, about the candidate taking the country by storm....Bernie. The media can hype spousal rapists who marry trophy women a couple decades younger than themselves all they want...it still won't change the ugly and totally out of touch American that Trump really is.
An excellent piece Thom. I hope, for the sake of America, this country can be "rebooted". However, it will take much more than so-called "reformers". The system is utterly broken. Reform isn't going to cut it and the corporate powerbrokers who own Washington aren't going to allow anyone they percieve of endangering the status quo anywhere near the levers of power.
As we all know, both political parties are bought and paid for by these "one Percenters" who make the oligarcy that is now America. While the majority of voters are now Independents (most, former Democrat or Republican moderates), the system has been gerryrigged by both parties to keep Independents and third parties out (as an aside, within the next few years, Independents will outnumber Democrats and Republicans combined).
The real question then becomes how to open up a broken and corrupt system to allow non-party voters to partispate, especially in primaries which restrict voting while being paid for by all taxpayers. Then, how to eleminate gerrymandering in order to create a fair and realisticly base voting district; imposing term limits and overturning corrupt laws like Citizens United and the power of money in politics. We also need to give serious though to ending our "winner take all" system and introducing a more balanced proportional system.
On the business front, we must find ways to end corporate control over Washington and this country. We need to restore our former democratic-republic and end this oligarcy and emerging police state while we still can; we must stop rewarding corporations for exporting jobs and avoiding taxes. We need a more fair tax code (like a consumption tax in lieu of an income tax). We must enforce immigration laws and deport illegals while severely fining those businesses and organziations (including churches) who help smuggle illegals into this country, house them and hire them. There's a right way and wrong way to enter this country and we've been rewarding the wrong way.
Completely agree JessieV. And it hurts Sanders by not allowing him to speak to the American People who need to hear his message.
Being disabled in Seattle, this incident greatly upset me. The event was a very expensive celebration for Social Security. These young girls must be very ignorant of what that means, or extremely rude. The disabled comprise all colors and walks of life. The majority of us live in extreme poverty. We experience discrimination every day. We understand BLM and what they stand for. We too , have had many disabled people murdered by police. We are their allies. To interrupt one of the very few opportunities we ever have to get together and have people recognize us, is just so disappointing. We would never dream of wheeling up to their stage and taking over. We are also oppressed and sympathize. Please remember this. This was not a political rally it was a celebration and a way to share ideas to get us out of poverty. I wish the press would recognize this. The disabled are young and old and come from every race, religion, and sexual orientation. We deserve respect too.
Step back from the "issue" for a moment. Consider this. Whoever these people are that took the mic away from Bernie does not excuse the fact that they were able to take the stage - get so close to Bernie that they could have harmed him. They could have been anybody with any cause.
I would think that Bernie's campaign learned a basic security lesson from this unforgivable breach. No one should be allowed to get that close to Bernie unchallenged. I have already emailed Bernie and hope steps will be taken to prevent anything like this in the future.
Thom, please relate this concern to Bernie's campaign.
agelbert -- I like your words so much I feel inadequate in contributing anything.
Do you not think we were winning many battles against "fossil fuel funded fascists" from 1933 to 1980?
Also, why are you leaving out the bankster fascists?
The Puppetmaster wins...there is no reality...
http://www.rt.com/usa/312178-ferguson-oath-keepers-patrols/
The leaders of the BLM, want those two radical Christian fascist and Sarah Palin supporters to NOT speak on behalf of BLM and demanded that they appologize to Bernie:
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/10/real-black-lives-matter-wsnts-activists-publicly-apologize-bernie-sanders.html
I agree with you.
I think most Americans of all colors know that Senator Sanders is the only chance we have to unseat the fossil fuel funded fascists running our country (and the world) into pollution perdition.
Expect bought and paid for faux progressives (see Counterpunch recent attacks on Senator Sanders) resort to the old Divdem Et Impera Empathy Deficit Disordered skullduggery that the fossil fuel industry funds.
The Fossil Fuel Industry has given us Degraded Democracy and Profit over Planet Pollution
http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/fossil-fuel-folly/fossil-fue...
As those of you that still possess a modicum of reading comprehension will understand, the fossil fuel industry has ALWAYS been involved in DEGRADING OUR DEMOCRACY while they REFUSE to admit they are degrading the biosphere along the way.
A portion of the American populace, that doesn't want to face that fascist reality, continues to rationalize our "need" for this fossil fuel burning planetary plague with BALONEY about civilization, high energy density or, for those Empathy Deficit Disordered quislings that work for the planet polluters, having to pay for student loans or put food on the table.
Human society has always had Empathy Deficit Disordered people totally devoid of foresight. But only with the advent of the Industrial Revolution did these cause and effect challenged greedballs succeed in running our society. The fossil fuel industry actually believes it has a 'you need us' gun to our heads. They've got power and they've got a gun. Although they are too blind, too greedy or just too stupid to see it, that gun has already gone off in their faces, as well as ours.
Senator Sanders is the only person with a chance (and a slim one at that even AFTER he is electeded POTUS) of stopping this insanity. Let us hope that those of us that are still sane prevail.
Had a scathing comment ready until I read the one by Oberlin36. He could very well be right about someone behind the idiots that interrupted Bernie. Can't put anything past the lower than snakes gop. I'd bet we can expect more. Thanks for pointing that out Oberlin. Saved me from my comment, it was not nice.
August 11 2015 Hi there. If some folks from a group with important progressive ideas demand to speak at a Bernie Sanders public event - come on, give them the mic and let them speak. But FIRST ask them to provide some contacts you can call to see if there really is a respected progressive organization like Black Lives Matter who actually knows who they are - other than the FBI / CIA / NSA / Agenda 21 / NWO / CFR / Trilaterial Commission / U.S. Chamber of Commerce / Koche Bros. Think Tank / RNC / Jeb Bush / Ran Paul / Fox News / Warren Commission / 911 Commission / Police Benevolent League / Ted Turner & Bill Gates Depopulation Brigade / DARPA / JADE 3 AI Software Systems / U.S. Air Force Nondisclosure Center for PR. There may be some folks who want Bernie to stop talking about lots of stuff. Ya think? Stay tuned.
I was at the rally at Westlake Center in Seattle on Saturday 8/8 and I do not think the two women who prevented Bernie from speaking were representatives of the Black Lives Matter movement. The program included Gerald Hankerson, president of the King County NAACP. He wore a Black Lives Matter T-shirt, talked about how a disproportionate number of African Americans are dependant on Social Security as their sole source of income (tieing it to the event) and many of the same topics that were the supposed grievances of the two disrupters. At one point he had the audience chanting, "Black Lives Matter." Most of the speakers leading up to Bernie talked about these issues, as well. Then, these two women get up and deliberately try to anger a crowd that had been standing in the hot sun for two hours waiting to hear Bernie speak and, when the audience started shouting for them to get off the stage and, "let Bernie speak", they call the audience racists. This seemed to be orchestrated deliberately to provoke the audience to behave in such a way that they COULD call them racists. Their facebook page, Black Lives Matter Seattle, was just set up the day of the event. Where were they for other BLM events, such as the protest march in May in reaction to the death of Freddie Gray? After the event was shut down, a reporter from the local TV station, King 5, asked to interview them and they said no and made obscene gestures to their cameras. If their agenda was truly to get support for the BLM movement, why wouldn't they make the most of this opportunity to reach a wider audience? Because their only "agenda" was to stop Bernie from speaking and give the impression that Bernie is indifferent to Black lives. I wonder who paid them to do this?
In your precinct, mathboy, I'm guessing maybe you get 20 or so regular volunteers at election time to go out and canvass or phone bank. Simply doubling that amount can make a difference in the many elections decided by a few percentage points. And yet you wonder if anyone will walk in the door of your caucus at all, let alone volunteer to take over your leadership position (in some of our precincts no one shows up; at all!). By the number of righteously indignant commenters on countless boards and social media you'd think people'd be flocking to caucuses or party conventions to actually have a hand in changing things. But no. Guess it's just easier to sit home and bitch at the people who do.
I led a congressional district and one thing I learned is that people who will tell you what you and/or the party are doing wrong are a freakin' dime a dozen. People who get off their butts and actually do something are rare and valuable as diamonds. Sorry, but if someone's not ready to step up and help solve the problems they're bitchin' about, then I am too busy doing five people's worth of work to really give a rat's keester what they think. And the excuses are just that: as if I don't have to work or drive my kids somewhere or clean the litter box -whatever. If people cared as much as it seems they do from the online bloviating, they'd make time.
Good for you (for everyone) for doing your part, mathboy!
And maybe Tom, whom we all love, might get a local activist on from time to time to reinforce how important it is for listeners to do more than just listen.