Wasn't Dylann motivated by fear and culture? If we didn't have people in families and on-line spewing fear (and hatred) to make others fear as much as they do, we wouldn't have Dylanns motivated to do such terrible acts. He even TOLD the people in the church that he almost couldn't do this because they'd been so kind to him, but he HAD to, because Black people were going to take over the world. I'm not sure that's really hate... I think it's just FEAR, instilled in him by others who aren't brave enough to perform their terrible deeds. I pity him more than I dislike him for any hatred. He's the type of young man who could have been introduced to the TRUE BLACK PLIGHT if he'd have been educated properly. I don't think fear and hate are quite the same emotion. Do any of you? He had been wrongly convinced that his kind would be enslaved or exterminated by erroneous postings on-line. And after being exposed to their kindness for a short time, he had doubts about his mission. That's not a hater to me... that's an impressionable young person who has been seduced by others who really DO hate people for beling a different color. If he had been introduced to those people earlier by a different means, and had been able to feel and see their kindness, I don't believe he would have been seduced by radicals. We need to stop other impressionable people from being victimized by these radicals who hate because they've been taught to do so.
Very true, as well as the root of all life emergent issues. Unfortunately our reality has primarily become a media moment where it isn't a knee jerk, it is'nt even a teaspoon of caster oil.
Well said, Thom ! I have listened carefully to the arguements of those opposed to the agreement. Those who say, "We could have negotiated a better deal" live in a perpetual fantasyland that the U.S. can act unilaterally and every other country will obediently follow us. Dream on.
I think Russia, China and Pakistan will have something to say if Repugs try to invade Iran - something the Oil Barons, Banksters and Neocons are wetting their pants just thinking about. Russia, China, Pakistan and Iran along with Kazakhstan & Turkmenistan are working giant pipeline cooperation deals which will bypass & subvert American pipeline pipe dreams, starting with their famous and god almighty screw-up the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline corridor. Supposed to be another "cake-walk" in Afghan, didn't turn out that way. Was good at promoting the Drug Trade though. Since the Afghan pipeline war started they have risen from 10% to 90% of the world illicit opiate trade. Bravo America. Banksters and Weapons Dealers love the two way cash flow that comes with the Drug trade. A consolation prize for Friends of America.
The answer is "no" but not for the reasons given. It showed that he is serious about this race. "The Donald" has also hit a nerve (actually several of them). The most important is with the American People. He is saying what middle America has been saying for years. He is is unfiltered and not the bland milktoast preformulaed politican f either party. He is direct. He is an outsider and rich enough not to be beholden to the corporate interests which own Washington and the politicians in it.
Secondly, the establishment wants him out. He's not part of their game plan. He's supposed to be the comic relief and it looks like the establishment of both parties are the ones playing the fool. This race was basicly prearranged and we were to go through the usual song and dance about who if the millionaires are really the most humble and poor and closest to the "common man". Lies of course, but that's the game, along with which one of the career politicans is really the secret "outsider" and will change Washington if only he (or she) could be elected.
Third, the media hates him. He's not part of the script in creating the illusion of the best qualified candidate from their prepackaged offerings. The more the corporate media belittles hims, the more the average voters love him. The corporate overlords hate him since he's messing up their abiliy to gerry rig the elections and it's tough to buy someone who has money and doesn't own favors. All of this simply endears him to ordinary Americans.
Unlike the United States, Israel, and Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Iran has NOT invaded any other country. Sure, they provive some financial and military equipment support for their firends in other countries, but so does the United States, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and nearly every other country in that region. What at mess!
The US presently has at least ten thousand US military and civilian personnel stationed on ships that are "bottled up" in the Persian Gulf (i.e. "sitting ducks" for Iran's mountain-based anti-ship missiles). They would do doubt be among the first victims of a war with Iran (possibly triggered by an Israeli air attack on Iran). The fact that so many of our members of Congress appear to be willing to sacrifice the lives of those ship-based personnel for their own political/financial gain is SHOCKING!
DAnneMarc -- I agree with you. I was just pointing out that flip-flopping has some small possibility of being the right thing to do.
Also, Thom often mentions congress is composed of our representatives. Thom also says the word leader is no where in the constitution. Based on that interpretation, shouldn't a politician put his finger in the wind to see which direction it is blowing? It seems far better than putting your palm out to get a stack of money.
Thom basically posited at the beginning of the show that journalists have become like comedians--they want politicians of the opposite party in office because it gives them something to do.
flyguy8650, term limits just throw the baby out with the bath water. You want a system that will keep the good and eliminate the bad. That system is elections. Asking for term limits means giving up on democracy.
I didn't listen to much of the "debate" but I did hear the Donald say something that I am amazed is not drawing more comment. It went something like "I donate to lots of politicians - I give them money and they do what I tell them to do - I gave to Hillary and told her to come to my wedding - she did". It seems that is an admission of bribery (not necessarily the Hillary part but the rest?) - can you say crime?? The Supreme Court says money is speech as long as there is no Quid pro Quo. Wonder what they would say about the Donald's statement?
Well, Mr chuckle8, I prefer those who ADAPT and act on to new information to those who sink their heads in the sand and stay put only to be eaten by the jackel they refuse to see. The survivors move on into the future while the staid drown in their own ignorance.
Why is that you can be an expert on your job but a scientist cannot?
Well, as the "trumpet" said on the debates last night, businesspeople give donations and expect something in return--that's bribery--hello, K-RATS on SCOTUS.
We must first get money out of politics BEFORE anything can be done to restore democracy and afford the dignity of a living wage, healthcare, free/public education, protection from business, and a safe place to rear a family to each American, as is their right. The government was created to PROTECT the HUMAN BEINGS from the harm caused by private-sector greed and corruption.
Chuckles, you're moving in the right direction, but you're still trying to "spin" the statement to blame the Republicans. It was the Democrats who scuttled card check. In order solve any problem, one needs to be brutally honest with themselves about the problem. You are being less than honest with yourself. Quit trying to fool the readers. Only then will you find a solution.
Mark J Saulys and chucke8 ~ I agree with Mark on this one. There are no 'new scientific discoveries' concerning any of the flip flops Mark mentioned. The only variable factor involved is public opinion. Get real!
I don't know why anybody thinks "Hillary is moving to the left." her rhetoric is what's moving to the left. She and her husband have always said anything to get elected (and don't say she's different from her husband because they always touted and promoted themselves as a husband and wife team) and not at all shy about campaigning as lefties but, once elected, ignored the people and served the moneyed interests.
Hillary was for the Iraq war - now is against it; was against same-sex marriage, now is for it; has flipped on NAFTA, immigration, Cuba, criminal sentencing, etc.. She probably has more flip flops in her career than any other politician in U.S. history. Why does anybody think we should believe anything she says, now or ever?
She's just a political careerist and opportunist with her fimger in the wind.
Without Howard Dean Democrats would not have won in 2006 and 2008. The 50 state strategy was essential and, if he was partial it probably would've been for somebody from the "democratic wing" of the party. Today that would be his fellow Vermonter, Bernie - not the money candidate.
Wasn't Dylann motivated by fear and culture? If we didn't have people in families and on-line spewing fear (and hatred) to make others fear as much as they do, we wouldn't have Dylanns motivated to do such terrible acts. He even TOLD the people in the church that he almost couldn't do this because they'd been so kind to him, but he HAD to, because Black people were going to take over the world. I'm not sure that's really hate... I think it's just FEAR, instilled in him by others who aren't brave enough to perform their terrible deeds. I pity him more than I dislike him for any hatred. He's the type of young man who could have been introduced to the TRUE BLACK PLIGHT if he'd have been educated properly. I don't think fear and hate are quite the same emotion. Do any of you? He had been wrongly convinced that his kind would be enslaved or exterminated by erroneous postings on-line. And after being exposed to their kindness for a short time, he had doubts about his mission. That's not a hater to me... that's an impressionable young person who has been seduced by others who really DO hate people for beling a different color. If he had been introduced to those people earlier by a different means, and had been able to feel and see their kindness, I don't believe he would have been seduced by radicals. We need to stop other impressionable people from being victimized by these radicals who hate because they've been taught to do so.
Oh boy! What's not to love?
These American warmongers are the real terrorists.
Very true, as well as the root of all life emergent issues. Unfortunately our reality has primarily become a media moment where it isn't a knee jerk, it is'nt even a teaspoon of caster oil.
Well said, Thom ! I have listened carefully to the arguements of those opposed to the agreement. Those who say, "We could have negotiated a better deal" live in a perpetual fantasyland that the U.S. can act unilaterally and every other country will obediently follow us. Dream on.
For those who doubt the power of the Israeli lobby in US politics,
watch carefully how the Iran vote plays out.
On the other hand, we only need 1/3 in either house to win the day.
Many Amercan soldier's lives at stake.
ct
I think Russia, China and Pakistan will have something to say if Repugs try to invade Iran - something the Oil Barons, Banksters and Neocons are wetting their pants just thinking about. Russia, China, Pakistan and Iran along with Kazakhstan & Turkmenistan are working giant pipeline cooperation deals which will bypass & subvert American pipeline pipe dreams, starting with their famous and god almighty screw-up the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline corridor. Supposed to be another "cake-walk" in Afghan, didn't turn out that way. Was good at promoting the Drug Trade though. Since the Afghan pipeline war started they have risen from 10% to 90% of the world illicit opiate trade. Bravo America. Banksters and Weapons Dealers love the two way cash flow that comes with the Drug trade. A consolation prize for Friends of America.
The answer is "no" but not for the reasons given. It showed that he is serious about this race. "The Donald" has also hit a nerve (actually several of them). The most important is with the American People. He is saying what middle America has been saying for years. He is is unfiltered and not the bland milktoast preformulaed politican f either party. He is direct. He is an outsider and rich enough not to be beholden to the corporate interests which own Washington and the politicians in it.
Secondly, the establishment wants him out. He's not part of their game plan. He's supposed to be the comic relief and it looks like the establishment of both parties are the ones playing the fool. This race was basicly prearranged and we were to go through the usual song and dance about who if the millionaires are really the most humble and poor and closest to the "common man". Lies of course, but that's the game, along with which one of the career politicans is really the secret "outsider" and will change Washington if only he (or she) could be elected.
Third, the media hates him. He's not part of the script in creating the illusion of the best qualified candidate from their prepackaged offerings. The more the corporate media belittles hims, the more the average voters love him. The corporate overlords hate him since he's messing up their abiliy to gerry rig the elections and it's tough to buy someone who has money and doesn't own favors. All of this simply endears him to ordinary Americans.
Unlike the United States, Israel, and Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Iran has NOT invaded any other country. Sure, they provive some financial and military equipment support for their firends in other countries, but so does the United States, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and nearly every other country in that region. What at mess!
The US presently has at least ten thousand US military and civilian personnel stationed on ships that are "bottled up" in the Persian Gulf (i.e. "sitting ducks" for Iran's mountain-based anti-ship missiles). They would do doubt be among the first victims of a war with Iran (possibly triggered by an Israeli air attack on Iran). The fact that so many of our members of Congress appear to be willing to sacrifice the lives of those ship-based personnel for their own political/financial gain is SHOCKING!
DAnneMarc -- I agree with you. I was just pointing out that flip-flopping has some small possibility of being the right thing to do.
Also, Thom often mentions congress is composed of our representatives. Thom also says the word leader is no where in the constitution. Based on that interpretation, shouldn't a politician put his finger in the wind to see which direction it is blowing? It seems far better than putting your palm out to get a stack of money.
cccccttttt -- Why do you think SCOTUS would look more favorably on your rules than the ones they already threw out?
Thom basically posited at the beginning of the show that journalists have become like comedians--they want politicians of the opposite party in office because it gives them something to do.
cccccttttt, we have rules?
flyguy8650, term limits just throw the baby out with the bath water. You want a system that will keep the good and eliminate the bad. That system is elections. Asking for term limits means giving up on democracy.
I didn't listen to much of the "debate" but I did hear the Donald say something that I am amazed is not drawing more comment. It went something like "I donate to lots of politicians - I give them money and they do what I tell them to do - I gave to Hillary and told her to come to my wedding - she did". It seems that is an admission of bribery (not necessarily the Hillary part but the rest?) - can you say crime?? The Supreme Court says money is speech as long as there is no Quid pro Quo. Wonder what they would say about the Donald's statement?
Well, Mr chuckle8, I prefer those who ADAPT and act on to new information to those who sink their heads in the sand and stay put only to be eaten by the jackel they refuse to see. The survivors move on into the future while the staid drown in their own ignorance.
Why is that you can be an expert on your job but a scientist cannot?
Well, as the "trumpet" said on the debates last night, businesspeople give donations and expect something in return--that's bribery--hello, K-RATS on SCOTUS.
We must first get money out of politics BEFORE anything can be done to restore democracy and afford the dignity of a living wage, healthcare, free/public education, protection from business, and a safe place to rear a family to each American, as is their right. The government was created to PROTECT the HUMAN BEINGS from the harm caused by private-sector greed and corruption.
Repugs’ First Debate
. . . .
I’ve considerable disgust
at the way they discussed
and un-civilly fussed,
informationally a bust.
{Trump’s hair further mussed.}
In WHICH might one trust?
====================
There is a way to attack the power of big money that is often dismissed.
Change the rules for the number of days and which hours that political
ads can run on TV.
1. It is done effectively in Europe
2. It is a 1000 times more doable than a constituional change.
3. It would find support on both the left and the right who grow weary
of 18 months of attack ads.
With that medium firmly confined to civilized limits, let the big money
spend their excess on all the chikcen dinners and bill boards they choose.
Well, guess they will buy a few more judges.
ct.
Chuckles, you're moving in the right direction, but you're still trying to "spin" the statement to blame the Republicans. It was the Democrats who scuttled card check. In order solve any problem, one needs to be brutally honest with themselves about the problem. You are being less than honest with yourself. Quit trying to fool the readers. Only then will you find a solution.
Mark J Saulys and chucke8 ~ I agree with Mark on this one. There are no 'new scientific discoveries' concerning any of the flip flops Mark mentioned. The only variable factor involved is public opinion. Get real!
I don't like either choice. I vote NO because I'm tired of debates. I think even 6 are excessive.
Mark S -- Please read more carefully. Repealing Citizens United would lead to a less misinformed public, not a less informed public.
Flip floppers are my favorite kind of statesmen. They adapt their policies to new scientific discoveries.
I don't know why anybody thinks "Hillary is moving to the left." her rhetoric is what's moving to the left. She and her husband have always said anything to get elected (and don't say she's different from her husband because they always touted and promoted themselves as a husband and wife team) and not at all shy about campaigning as lefties but, once elected, ignored the people and served the moneyed interests.
Hillary was for the Iraq war - now is against it; was against same-sex marriage, now is for it; has flipped on NAFTA, immigration, Cuba, criminal sentencing, etc.. She probably has more flip flops in her career than any other politician in U.S. history. Why does anybody think we should believe anything she says, now or ever?
She's just a political careerist and opportunist with her fimger in the wind.
Without Howard Dean Democrats would not have won in 2006 and 2008. The 50 state strategy was essential and, if he was partial it probably would've been for somebody from the "democratic wing" of the party. Today that would be his fellow Vermonter, Bernie - not the money candidate.