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I don't know mathboy. But consider Chris Hedges' opinion for example as indicative of the mindset which is not peculiar to black radicals.
Chomsky has taken a more balanced approach and said that the Sanders candidacy might do some good but isn't the be-all and end-all which I think is the takeaway lesson: let's stop the Wave of Whining about being interrupted, admit that sometimes we need a little corrective amongst ourselves and simply respond that people are in fact waking up but we need to do more than gather in large numbers and wave signs around and break windows.
But the Black Lives Matters movement is in fact informed by more than that, even if you disagree with its premises:
Is Elizabeth Warren even allowed to endorse primary candidates? As a precinct committee member, I just received an e-mail form the state party reminding us (that is, party officers) not to play favorites or endorse anyone during the primary stage. Maybe things are different at the presidential level.
Thom, This might be the story that got people thinking about Bernie and the Israel-Palestine issue. This morning they played Amy Goodman's interview with Henry Siegman. I think Bernie should get Henry Siegman on his team!
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/8/13/henry_siegman_leading_us_jewish_voice
He should also get PR expert George Lakoff on his team. Professor Lakoff could be our Frank Luntz. But the "Left" doesn't seem to understand the importance of PR like the "Right" does.
The refusal of Superfund designation mystifies me. It's pure short-sightedness.
If I were a land investor, I'd think that it might be a good idea to buy land soon after the designation so I can get it cheap, and since the designation means that the place will be cleaned up, the value of the land will go up.
When it comes to tourism, what tourist is going to know that a neighboring area is a Superfund site? Even if they do, the knowledge that the site is being cleaned up would make them check back every couple years, on a place that they otherwise want to visit.
nimblecivet, I don't see how anyone here has tried to define what's reasonable. But one of the interrupters yelled "We're not reasonable." (emphasis mine) How does that help? How is someone supposed to respond to that? If you take reason out of a situation, all that's left is force, but the use of force is the problem that BLM is trying to solve.
Thom
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So the corrupt Japanese gov't shutdown all their perfectly good nuclear power plants and replaced them with oil, gas & coal, mostly imported, expensive, deadly LNG. And a lot of terrorist funding oil, including from Iran. Twenty giant LNG tankers every year to replace one of the 43 shutdown nuclear power plants. Each LNG tanker load is the equivalent of a dozen Hiroshima bombs in energy and quite capable of destroying a city. Just waiting for terrorists to hijack one of those.
As a result of stupidly and needlessly shutting down nuclear power in Japan for four years, their government has effectively murdered about 14 thousand people, by virtue of the increased mortality numbers of fossil fuel over Nuclear - WHO data. And released an additional 500 million tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere over those 4 years. Runaway global warming here we come.
All practical energy is dangerous. Deaths per TWh of electricity:
Coal: 161
Oil: 36
Biomass: 12
NG: 4
Hydro: 1.4
Wind: 0.15
Nuclear: 0.04
http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source.html
Thom believes in pixie power dreams. Like Solar and Wind can power the world. Actually that remains quite impossible. Both economically and physically because of the low EROEI of wind & solar.
Thom claims solar provides 74% of Germany's electricity.
Wrong. After 25 yrs of all-out effort, Germany has managed a meagre 6.1% solar electricity (2014), and that comes with MAJOR caveats. Like the need to export much of it, or just wasted since they can't spin down or shutdown their coal power plants in the time period the solar is peaking. And that solar energy is only during ~8hrs on ~sunny days. An expensive fantasy. They are now building filthy coal power plants like there is no tomorrow. Why aren't they building solar or wind instead?
in 2013 Germany's electricity generation was 66% NG & Coal, mostly Coal with some chopped down forests mixed in to greenwash the filthy coal, 15% Nuclear, 4.3% Hydro and a whopping 14% combined Geothermal, Solar, Wind, Tidal. i.e. They still produced more from their "long abandoned" Nuclear than their massively subsidized Solar & Wind.
And they have the 2nd highest electricity prices in the EU & 2nd highest emissions in CO2/kwh generated. Indeed it has 9X the emissions per unit power of nuclear France and 5X the emissions of nuclear Ontario.
Electricity twice as expensive as France. And 800 thousand poor German citizens have had there electricity disconnected because they can't afford the high prices. They call that "energy efficiency" over there.
Much poorer France went from 0-70% clean nuclear electricity in 20 yrs with a mundane effort. And they are the world’s largest electricity exporter and EXPORTS as much green electricity as all of Germany’s hyped up Wind & Solar combined. And still managed a 4 day, max 35 hr work week, with minimum 5 weeks paid vacation. Most get 8 weeks, And the best social services in the EU, including free home doctor visits. Makes Germany look pathetic.
There is NO instance of renewable energy successfully replacing significant fossil fuels, outside of the practical conventional hydro, which is severely limited, and Iceland, the best geothermal location on the planet, has had success with supplying mostly low grade building heat and some electricity.
Thom you haven't even got the basics right. The Tohoku earthquake and tsunami occurred in 2011 not 2013. You can justifiably blame Tepco for incompetence, but also the Japanese gov't, which swore up and down such a large tsunami was impossible. And they failed to prepare for that tsunami and as a consequence 20 thousand good Japanese citizens were needlessly killed. An added extra was the zero death Fuku nuclear incident. And some hydro dam bursts that killed a dozen or so. And a massive refinery fire near Tokyo that released hundreds of tons of deadly carcinogens into the air and water. The MSM liked to show video of the giant refinery inferno but entitled it "Fukushima Nuclear Disaster".
The big question is why did the Japan gov't not prepare for the tsunami just as the Canadian and US gov't are not preparing for the even larger tsunami that will inevitably hit the west coast within the next hundred years. How many tens of thousands will die needlessly? Prepping nuclear power plants is trivial compared to that. All the Fuku plants needed at a minimum, was some diesel water pumps with a secure fuel supply, problem solved.
"The only reason we're clinging to that fantasy today, is that the for-profit nuclear owners"....say no more. The entire energy sector should be non-profit, and controlled/owned by "we the people,".....if that were the case we wouldn't even be having this discussion. In addition the specter of global warming would be front and center regarding all energy decisions.
Its true Bill Clinton / Wall St 's Alan Greenspan policies like NAFTA & pushing UN regulated FREE Markets was a huge mistake . Also Reaganomics trickle down ( which GOP still preaches ) Reagans 'deal ' to sell Guns to Iran - after Iran agreed to release US hostages when Carter was out of office. 12 years of Bush 1-2 long wars based on lies, fear tactics, push to privatize public education, SS - Medicare . Reagan 'borrowed' from SS Trust fund to cover his massive DEBT, after he dropped top tax rate from 74 % to 28 % Anti middle class pro wealth policies pushed USA down the long path to global crash- depfression- TARP- loss of 700 K jobs a month under Bush .Cheney Long failed Iraq war made more enemies than ever . Caring for our maimed Vets will run in the trillions ( Vets deserve the best ) 2 long wars another 1-2 trillion. Bernie 2016 Single Payer Repeal Citizens United Bring back G lass Steagal Break up crooked fraudelant Wall St arrogant dangerous banks.... TOO Powerful to Exist !! Limit interest rate banks can charge NO 16 -25 % rates USURY Then watch US economy soar !!
NO Japen visit for us China either . Corp Greed WINS once again Mankind will, at some point,destroy the planet !
My wife is Japanese and yearly visits relatives 200 km from Fukushima.
Its considered rude to talk about the topic of radiation.
Its illegal to publish or broadcast any radiation articles that might upset the public.
Health statistics on cancer, thyroid, heart, and hormone disorders are hard to get.
The government sends Fukushima waste to every province to burn.
They feed the national soccer team Fukushima rice.
Anyone care to visit Tokyo for the coming Olympics?
ct
You need to re-examine your numbers and the context of your claims.
The effects of WW2 are a direct result of THAT WAR.( destrying all competition
is responsible for the "mythical" middle class".)
A college degree means NOTHING when there are no jobs, and having MORE
graduates simply lowers the cost of hiring ANYONE, for ANYTHING.
No one is going to talk about issues, the electorate does not have the intellect to
process the complexity involved, nor to understand what a real solution would be.
In the end Bernie will be labeled a "redistributionist" and he is nowhere near understanding what will be required to transform this country, nor will its citizens be capable of understanding or supporting any effort to alter the status quo if it involves a reduction in THEIR standard of living.
agelbert -- Thanks for the info. You didn't mention the cotton "billionaires" also fighting hemp.
You mentioned all the battles we lost. I was trying to highlight the battles we won. Those movements started by Rachel Carson and Ralph Nader. As Thom has mentioned, they scared the billionaires sh&$#ess. Lewis Powell arose to the occasion to save the billionaires.
My emphasis, as always, was to point out the effect of the New Deal and the Great Society. The policies that arose from these made possible the dialogue of Rachel and Ralph to be heard.
nimblecivet -- Being a white male, thank you for the warning of what we need to always keep in mind.
In return, you need to consider those comments that are suspicious that the 2 protestors were co-opting your position and using it inside the framework.
Attention Bernie: 8/08/2015
RE: Rock-U-Pie Labor Day Festivals
New Pipeline Infrastructure Proposal and Plan Outline
We,(RINGS OF ALCYONE) are volunteering our performance services for events
organized to support your Presidential bid. Also have an idea we call "Rock-U-Pie"
you can read a narrative here:
http://www.reverbnation.com/page_object/page_object_blogs/artist_496389
We have some very pertinent new songs about issues you are speaking out on. I, now as a Band member and Songwriter, also worked many years as a Pipe Welder, Welding
Inspector, Manager, etc. I have a very specific and detailed plan I believe you may be
interested in, concerning the transportation of Oil, Natural Gas, and of all things;
Water too. I'm willing to convey the plan in detail to you or your surrogate's privately,
but it entails:
• The Govt. being the 'Direct Employer' and 'Entrepreneurial Entity' in replacing
the worn and thin walled cross-country oil and gas pipelines with Govt. built,
owned, operated, and maintained "Double Containment Pipelines" featuring
“Heavier Wall Thickness Anti Corrosive Primary Pipe" then buried in a
maintenance accessible Concrete Vault with "Leak Sensors" at regular intervals
in the "Containment(secondary) Pipe" Oil and Gas companies would be
required, by law to use the New Infrastructure and pay DOT(already oversees)
by volume, per distance. The rates should be determined on how clean or dirty
the commodity is and the particular company's environmental record.
I've witnessed first hand and many times in my 40 plus year construction career,
welding up, basically, a "Thin Metal Hose"(sometimes less than 1/4” wall thickness
when new and, meant to transport highly corrosive contents) and then pushing it into a 10' hole and burying it.
I know this plan doesn't seem very feasible in the current political climate, but
bringing it up publicly, may shake "Them" up. If it's new pipelines they want, let's do
it right and engineer them to last - AND NO 'Good Ole Boy' hiring practices either,
only local employee's hired through individual State Job Resource Centers and being
paid 'Davis-Bacon' wages.
One more thing, I have retired from the industry after years of feeling like a
hypocrite while actually witnessing the arrogant and cavalier mindset regarding the
Environment and 'Planetary Health Care' every day while at work. I'm sick of it and
so is OUR Planet.
Thanks for caring,
John
My problem with the Democratic debate schedule is that by the start of the calendar year of the election, there is rarely much competition left within each party, but several of the debates are scheduled for after that.
I’m half way through today's podcast, I can’t help but notice that since Bernie got crashed on Sun., I’ve heard several callers all with the same message for Thom… He’s not treating Hillary fairly. To me, these callers sounded like trolls. The message was canned and cautious.
When alleged associates with Black Lives Matter crashed Bernie, even when given an unlimited opportunity to speak, all that was screamed over and over was "We will shut you down!" accompanied by frenzied angry body language. To me it was very intuitively obvious that the only goal was to to prevent Bernie from speaking and to damage Bernie’s credibility with the African American community. With Hillary, the alleged affiliates with BLM “announced” that they were going to “crash” her event and ended up in a meeting with her.
I am completely aware of the fact that we have to elect Hillary if she is the nominee. But it’s our civic duty to speak honest truth to power. Don’t take my word for it, ask Lee Fong or Amy Goodman or Salon. The fact is that African Americans and minorities need to know that thanks to policies put in place by the Bill Clinton Admin., they are making the private prison industry very rich. Private prison industry lobbyists are Hillary's biggest bundlers. The Banking cartel and the private prison cartel are all about the Clintons- both of them and we MUST have the courage to speak of these things. Democrats are running AGAINST each other for the nomination. Until after a nominee is elected, it’s all about..firing squad is too strong a word…the circular “boxing match”.
Pigeon Alert!
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/8/12/trading_with_the_enemy_before_us
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Those two women who broke up Bernie's Oregon event appeared made it pretty clear that thier main intention was to sabotage Bernie's event. As you have pointed out, their arguments were totally irrational when applied to Bernie. It was as if they were being paid by the Koch Brothers or another politician's campaign to sabotage that event. Bernie's audience clearly did NOT appreciate what they were doing, so they did serious damage to the Black Live Lives Matter movement.