This compounding of fines sounds like an Eighth Amendment case. "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."
I interpret the commandment against graven images in the context of the time, presuming the Exodus actually happened. The Israelites were basically seceding from Egypt and wanted to differentiate themselves. One way to do that is through language. (I presume the spoken languages were already different.) They cast off the Egyptian writing system, which consists of engravings of birds etc., and went with an alphabetic--i.e. non-pictorial--writing system. The commandment to be monotheistic also fits this; differentiating from the Egyptian polytheistic religion. (It was around that time that King Akhenaten had tried to make Egypt monotheistic, so the idea wasn't new.)
Alice's analogy of us being worker bees is pretty apt. I've realized that police have been killing black people with the casualness that most people swat a fly or step on a spider.
UNC Tarheels, I think the people of that neighborhood might have felt that very few of them would ever be able to work at that CVS - or buy any of the consumer products within, felt exploited rather than helped by it.
Why the senior center? I don't know.
Much of this is going on because the poor are no longer useful, especially in the city. Industry used to be the tax base of the city. Now, with no industry, property taxes and fines are the tax and revenue bases. The poor can pay neither and, in addition to that, are not only no longer needed to work in factories but are a drain on revenue as they need social services. Thus the surplus population must be removed.
China will become the dominant economy? They mean their billionaires and bosses will become bigger than our billionaires. They already have the bigger economy - and all our jobs. This rivalry between billionaires doesn't mean a thing to us.
Quote Mark S.:Even more important than the actual provisions of the treaty is the dispensing with democracy that the approval process of the trade agreement entails - and results in.
Hephaetus -- You seem to be asking the question who voted them in? Among other things they were voted in by voting machines. Do you know that 20 million more people voted for the democrats in the senate than the republicans and 5 million more people voted for the democrats in the house? Yet, the republicans run both the house and the senate. Please do not be too harsh on the people.
We owe more to the SS trust fund then we do to China. I deem those numbers minimal compared to repealing NAFTA, SHAFTA, etc and raising tariffs to eliminate the trade deficit.
Hi Thom. On the show you asked something to the effect of what do we need to do to get White people to join this struggle. My answer to that question is. .if we can't stop ovbious racict White authoritarian's brutality against unarmed Blacks then we can't stop it anywhere...and guess who is next in line to get some of that brutality. ..
Communities such as Sioux City Iowa are now assisting apartment complexes and landlords to do background checks on people looking for an apartment . To make sure anyone who went to prison or got in trouble with the law ever are unable to get a place to live.
,So the poor run out of water and everything else relatively soon, which is structured by our government's policy: 'Keep 'em Stupid, sick and poor'..and video camera phones won't help them..
Whistle Blowing Color..
Thom, design a personality profile/invitory type test measuring the pre police persons' potential for dangerous behaviour. Alas, many aren't that bright so it shouldn't be difficult. Risk, danger and sacrifice are real tough topics and must soon be addressed.
No. What we've seen is media induced expedency. The rioters, and the especially the media, applied enough pressure to force an arrest; in this case, a blanket arrest of everyone involved with Gray that day. They'll worry about "justice" later. The point of the arrests were, I think, to tone down the intensity of the rioting and looting (because, after all, we know that the best way to honor and remember Freddie Gray is by throwing rocks, pipes, bottles, and everything else at the cops and firefighters while robbing stores and burning down buildings and, cutting fire hoses; not to mention trashing his neighborhood). This has a long way to go before there any assemblance of "justice", for Gray, the officers arrested, and for the City of Baltimore. Besides, the law is rarely if ever about "justice". It's about the facts and interpeting those facts.
Thom- Of course it makes no sense from our point of view, having poor foks rot in prison over unpaid bogus, unconstitutional fees & fines. Creates a trap, as they can’t pay the fines while incarcerated! Which is a slam-dunk for the for-profit prison “industry”! Let’s not forget that. Under corporate fascism, our sole purpose for being alive is to be a cash cow for someone. If we aren’t useful as worker bees anymore, we can always generate profits for the prison “industry”, stuck in debtors’ dungeon indefinitely. I’ve heard and read that it costs at least sixty grand annually to keep someone locked up these days.
I think Mr. Fabian makes a good point about the middle class making its own bed, at least to a point. I vividly recall how lots of white middle class people where thinking back when Reagan became president... even in the liberal San Francisco Bay Area! I remember how it nauseated me. Never could stand the man.
Reagan sucked as governor of California. When he announced he was running for president, I saw nothing but trouble. And trouble is what we’ve got.
Reagan pushed at least some of the pebbles that started us on our avalanche ride towards fascism.
Reply to #9: It's called a REVOLT, Tarheels. That's how Thom characterizes it anyhow. It's what people do when they've had enough and the justice system isn't serving them. When they protest peacefully, they are simply ignored, so they revolt. It's the final option when all else has failed. That's "why in Buddha's name". Cheers!
I have yet to find out why in Lord Buddha's name that rioters burn down their own neighbourhood. If jobs in the section of Baltimore are so hard to come by why would you burn down a $16 million dollar senior citizens apartment building and a CVS?
I have been trying to get a message to Thom for more than a year now; and now with Bernie Sanders running, it is up to you who will read this ....to let Thom know that I (and the wife) were conservative UNTIL BERNIE DECIDED TO OFFER HIS SERVICES AS PRESIDENT TO THIS U.S.A. of ours..
Now, we know that in the big scheme of things we are on the lower end of the contributor scale...But as immigrants to this country (Ireland and Chile) I/we have a little over $50k. "in Perks", that Bernie, Free Speech T.V, K.P.F.K (Public Radio in our Los Angeles, Riverside County Ca. area) and Shriners Hospital for children... are welcome to, with a single condition that Thom and/or Bernie accept a "Center space of Honor" in one (and/or two) or our 27 unit "Family and Friend's" memorial sites in the South/West of Ireland.......(A section of Ireland I have heard Thom describe as Beautiful) And please take note, these memorial sites are not "For Sale" items.... The facts of which I/we will disscuss with Thom, Bernie and/or their authorized supporters.....
Readers please note: This posting was inspired by the news of this day; in that, those who may be responsible for the death of Mr. Gray, resulting in all of the destruction that followed in the city of Baltimore; if those (although unlawful) acts are not just related to the conduct of Police/Sheriffs and/or District Attorneys in Baltimore...... And, anyone thinking so? should have their "donkey" put into the hands of these "Sons of Bachelors" (or S.O.B's if you like) here in Riverside Ca. Only then would they know what real County Governmental Corruption means.... The wife and I know...... We ask then to those of you reading this, You can contact us at pat.doran@sbcglobal.net Get the nightmare facts...
Long ago -over 40 years,(can't deny I'm an old lady), my friend and I went shopping. Ruth was in early labor, very early, and I was an experienced L&D nurse - she probably had me along to make sure she didn't eat anything. When the contractions started to become painful, she called Jean Claude, her husband, to come pick usr up. As we got in his car (Claude is black, Ruth & I , white, such as it is) I looked up & made eye contact with a white guy across the street. I saw so much hate in his face, I've not been able to forget, even all these years later. I think I know why Freddie Gray ran,
In an article "From The Wilderness" Micheal C Ruppert made a couple of points I'm inclined to agree with. First we need debt forgiveness for everyone, and we need to get rid of compound interest. Both ideas are based on unlimited industrialized growth with finite resources. Next we need desperately to localize food production and clean up our water supply.
You are one sad country still believing your CIA world wide bullying, paranoid FBI nationwide crooks, bought and paid for politicains by corporate lobbyists and their huge money largese in support of profit,,,
Is this OKAY!
Not to mention the irrartional multiple war fronts for hawks that support industrial / miltary psychopaths... voted in by?
Not to mention the deap seated fear of taking care of the sick and disabled (bloody appalling)... voted in by?
This compounding of fines sounds like an Eighth Amendment case. "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."
Reply to #16: Right on, Marc!! I concur.
I interpret the commandment against graven images in the context of the time, presuming the Exodus actually happened. The Israelites were basically seceding from Egypt and wanted to differentiate themselves. One way to do that is through language. (I presume the spoken languages were already different.) They cast off the Egyptian writing system, which consists of engravings of birds etc., and went with an alphabetic--i.e. non-pictorial--writing system. The commandment to be monotheistic also fits this; differentiating from the Egyptian polytheistic religion. (It was around that time that King Akhenaten had tried to make Egypt monotheistic, so the idea wasn't new.)
Alice's analogy of us being worker bees is pretty apt. I've realized that police have been killing black people with the casualness that most people swat a fly or step on a spider.
While some take it as a tradition or a custom which is running from a long back and going to continue as well.
UNC Tarheels, I think the people of that neighborhood might have felt that very few of them would ever be able to work at that CVS - or buy any of the consumer products within, felt exploited rather than helped by it.
Why the senior center? I don't know.
Much of this is going on because the poor are no longer useful, especially in the city. Industry used to be the tax base of the city. Now, with no industry, property taxes and fines are the tax and revenue bases. The poor can pay neither and, in addition to that, are not only no longer needed to work in factories but are a drain on revenue as they need social services. Thus the surplus population must be removed.
China will become the dominant economy? They mean their billionaires and bosses will become bigger than our billionaires. They already have the bigger economy - and all our jobs. This rivalry between billionaires doesn't mean a thing to us.
Mark S. Yea verily to
UNC Tarheels -- Why do you think they would burn down their neighborhoods? Do you think they are of a different species?
Of course, AIW told you why, but somehow I doubt if you can relate.
Hephaetus -- You seem to be asking the question who voted them in? Among other things they were voted in by voting machines. Do you know that 20 million more people voted for the democrats in the senate than the republicans and 5 million more people voted for the democrats in the house? Yet, the republicans run both the house and the senate. Please do not be too harsh on the people.
We owe more to the SS trust fund then we do to China. I deem those numbers minimal compared to repealing NAFTA, SHAFTA, etc and raising tariffs to eliminate the trade deficit.
Hi Thom. On the show you asked something to the effect of what do we need to do to get White people to join this struggle. My answer to that question is. .if we can't stop ovbious racict White authoritarian's brutality against unarmed Blacks then we can't stop it anywhere...and guess who is next in line to get some of that brutality. ..
Communities such as Sioux City Iowa are now assisting apartment complexes and landlords to do background checks on people looking for an apartment . To make sure anyone who went to prison or got in trouble with the law ever are unable to get a place to live.
Cuba is one country in which blacks and whites live side by side in complete harmony; it does not even seem to enter their minds.
Perhaps the US can get some help from them?
There are other countries as well.
,So the poor run out of water and everything else relatively soon, which is structured by our government's policy: 'Keep 'em Stupid, sick and poor'..and video camera phones won't help them..
Whistle Blowing Color..
Thom, design a personality profile/invitory type test measuring the pre police persons' potential for dangerous behaviour. Alas, many aren't that bright so it shouldn't be difficult. Risk, danger and sacrifice are real tough topics and must soon be addressed.
Common man theme song. We want our country back. Stop SHAFTA
http://youtu.be/B7JEMx8KZM4
No. What we've seen is media induced expedency. The rioters, and the especially the media, applied enough pressure to force an arrest; in this case, a blanket arrest of everyone involved with Gray that day. They'll worry about "justice" later. The point of the arrests were, I think, to tone down the intensity of the rioting and looting (because, after all, we know that the best way to honor and remember Freddie Gray is by throwing rocks, pipes, bottles, and everything else at the cops and firefighters while robbing stores and burning down buildings and, cutting fire hoses; not to mention trashing his neighborhood). This has a long way to go before there any assemblance of "justice", for Gray, the officers arrested, and for the City of Baltimore. Besides, the law is rarely if ever about "justice". It's about the facts and interpeting those facts.
Thom- Of course it makes no sense from our point of view, having poor foks rot in prison over unpaid bogus, unconstitutional fees & fines. Creates a trap, as they can’t pay the fines while incarcerated! Which is a slam-dunk for the for-profit prison “industry”! Let’s not forget that. Under corporate fascism, our sole purpose for being alive is to be a cash cow for someone. If we aren’t useful as worker bees anymore, we can always generate profits for the prison “industry”, stuck in debtors’ dungeon indefinitely. I’ve heard and read that it costs at least sixty grand annually to keep someone locked up these days.
I think Mr. Fabian makes a good point about the middle class making its own bed, at least to a point. I vividly recall how lots of white middle class people where thinking back when Reagan became president... even in the liberal San Francisco Bay Area! I remember how it nauseated me. Never could stand the man.
Reagan sucked as governor of California. When he announced he was running for president, I saw nothing but trouble. And trouble is what we’ve got.
Reagan pushed at least some of the pebbles that started us on our avalanche ride towards fascism.
Reply to #9: It's called a REVOLT, Tarheels. That's how Thom characterizes it anyhow. It's what people do when they've had enough and the justice system isn't serving them. When they protest peacefully, they are simply ignored, so they revolt. It's the final option when all else has failed. That's "why in Buddha's name". Cheers!
I have yet to find out why in Lord Buddha's name that rioters burn down their own neighbourhood. If jobs in the section of Baltimore are so hard to come by why would you burn down a $16 million dollar senior citizens apartment building and a CVS?
I have been trying to get a message to Thom for more than a year now; and now with Bernie Sanders running, it is up to you who will read this ....to let Thom know that I (and the wife) were conservative UNTIL BERNIE DECIDED TO OFFER HIS SERVICES AS PRESIDENT TO THIS U.S.A. of ours..
Now, we know that in the big scheme of things we are on the lower end of the contributor scale...But as immigrants to this country (Ireland and Chile) I/we have a little over $50k. "in Perks", that Bernie, Free Speech T.V, K.P.F.K (Public Radio in our Los Angeles, Riverside County Ca. area) and Shriners Hospital for children... are welcome to, with a single condition that Thom and/or Bernie accept a "Center space of Honor" in one (and/or two) or our 27 unit "Family and Friend's" memorial sites in the South/West of Ireland.......(A section of Ireland I have heard Thom describe as Beautiful) And please take note, these memorial sites are not "For Sale" items.... The facts of which I/we will disscuss with Thom, Bernie and/or their authorized supporters.....
Readers please note: This posting was inspired by the news of this day; in that, those who may be responsible for the death of Mr. Gray, resulting in all of the destruction that followed in the city of Baltimore; if those (although unlawful) acts are not just related to the conduct of Police/Sheriffs and/or District Attorneys in Baltimore...... And, anyone thinking so? should have their "donkey" put into the hands of these "Sons of Bachelors" (or S.O.B's if you like) here in Riverside Ca. Only then would they know what real County Governmental Corruption means.... The wife and I know...... We ask then to those of you reading this, You can contact us at pat.doran@sbcglobal.net Get the nightmare facts...
Long ago -over 40 years,(can't deny I'm an old lady), my friend and I went shopping. Ruth was in early labor, very early, and I was an experienced L&D nurse - she probably had me along to make sure she didn't eat anything. When the contractions started to become painful, she called Jean Claude, her husband, to come pick usr up. As we got in his car (Claude is black, Ruth & I , white, such as it is) I looked up & made eye contact with a white guy across the street. I saw so much hate in his face, I've not been able to forget, even all these years later. I think I know why Freddie Gray ran,
In an article "From The Wilderness" Micheal C Ruppert made a couple of points I'm inclined to agree with. First we need debt forgiveness for everyone, and we need to get rid of compound interest. Both ideas are based on unlimited industrialized growth with finite resources. Next we need desperately to localize food production and clean up our water supply.
Wake up America!!!
You are one sad country still believing your CIA world wide bullying, paranoid FBI nationwide crooks, bought and paid for politicains by corporate lobbyists and their huge money largese in support of profit,,,
Is this OKAY!
Not to mention the irrartional multiple war fronts for hawks that support industrial / miltary psychopaths... voted in by?
Not to mention the deap seated fear of taking care of the sick and disabled (bloody appalling)... voted in by?
Just the beginning really!
Can anybody there see this???
Sorry!
Patrick you are incomprehensible
Cheers!