TucsonJack 2 years 23 weeks ago

I believe in forgiveness when transgressions are admitted and apologies are made with sincere Franken has done.

THAT is the Christian position on this issue....

That is NOT the Alabama Evangelical application of "Christian morality" on sexual harrassment...the worst sort of hypocrites that Jesus, himself, called out.

darlenehuss 2 years 23 weeks ago

From Star Tribune today:

Former Minnesota Gov. Arne Carlson came to Sen. Al Franken’s defense Sunday when he posted a commentary to his blog that said he is “deeply troubled by the resignation of Al Franken and the complete absence of anything resembling due process.”

Carlson, an independent-minded Republican who endorsed the presidential bids of Barack Obama in 2008 and Hillary Clinton in 2016, was elected governor in 1990 and served until 1999.

The Complete posting by Arne Carlson calling for Franken to wait for due process:


[Governor Arne Carlson Sunday, December 10, 2017And Justice for All.Recent events have brought to mind some terrifying days I experienced growing up in the Bronx. As a 6th grader, I was painfully shy with a pronounced stammer. One day, two uniformed policemen came into the classroom, looked around, and pointed to me while declaring, “We want that boy.” I was escorted to the principal’s office, planted in a chair, and asked if I knew why I was there. I stammered “no” and was told to stare at the wall clock until my memory improved. When it became clear that clock watching was not going to produce a confession, I was grilled on my whereabouts for a series of Saturdays. Fortunately, my father had formed a boys club at our church and he would take us to various points of interest in New York City. My Saturdays were covered. This only produced frustration from the officers so I was directed back to clock watching. That evening, I shared the horror with my parents who were Swedish immigrants and certainly not acquainted with the finer points of law. So my father wrote down the places and times of the boys club Saturday trips. Certainly, that would clear me they reasoned. However, the next day I was back again facing the clock. My father’s list meant nothing because the police officers had been informed by a reliable witness that two boys crawled over the school fence, broke into the school, and caused minor damage. One was identified as an Italian and the other had blond hair. Since there were few blonds in our Italian, Jewish and Irish community then it was clear that it had to be me. Of this the police were certain. On the afternoon of the second day, Mrs. McCauley, my 6th grade teacher who bore a striking resemblance to Aunt Bee of Mayberry fame, burst into the principal’s office, grabbed me by the hand and boldly declared, “I want my boy back.” Some time later, the mystery was solved and yes there was more than one blond in the Bronx. However, the pain of that memory still makes me well up. My presumption of innocence was trampled by the authorities who had certainty of their side and by a principal who was all too willing to vacate her office and her responsibility to protect her students. My parents were poor and all too trusting in authority. It was my teacher, Mrs. McCauley, who saved me from entering the juvenile system. To her courage, I owe my life.]_____________________________________________________________________

Being a victim can be painful but the answer to an injustice cannot be to create another injustice.

I am deeply troubled by the resignation of Al Franken and the complete absence of anything resembling due process.

Now reports are surfacing that Leeann Tweeden, Franken’s prime accuser, may have been coached by Roger Stone, a major Trump operator. Since there was no vetting, we only heard her story. But there has been no explanation as to why she attended a USO event in 2009 honoring Franken and was captured on tape joking around with him. This is three years after she claimed to be traumatized by Franken.

She continued in 2011 with a tweet containing a photo of her and Franken together.

This is all very troubling. A rush to judgment is, unfortunately, all too human. But a rush to punishment is totally unacceptable.

Perhaps this is a time for reconsideration. We now know that the right wing attempted to plant a false accusation with the Washington Post. On the other side, we also know that an accuser against Roy Moore of Alabama fudged the truth in her allegations.

Further, we know that Senate Democrats who asked for Franken’s resignation may have been motivated more by the politics of the Alabama Senate race than the seriousness of the allegations.

And now we have the supreme insult of New York Senator Schumer “advising” Governor Dayton on how to pick a successor. That is a certainty for GOP advertising in 2018.

It is time for all of us to sober up. Our nation is in peril with Donald Trump in the White House and Republicans yielding to his demands. We are increasingly moving towards authoritarianism and continued GOP subservience could possibly lead to the dissolution of the Mueller investigation.

While I am not always in agreement with Senator Al Franken, I firmly believe in due process which is a cornerstone of our democratic way of living. Whenever in history we abandoned it, we severely damaged ourselves. Just think about the lynching of Blacks in the South, the internment of people of Japanese descent in World War II, or the era of McCarthyism when lives were destroyed based solely on allegations.

The simple fact is that Al Franken has been the Senate’s most effective challenge to Trump and his subordinates. The possibility of any rigging by Roger Stone and his associates should cause all of us to call for a rescinding of the Franken resignation and a prompt and thorough review of all allegations by the Senate Ethics Committee.

He was elected by we, the people, and he should continue to serve until a legal determination has been made.Posted by Governor Arne Carlson at 10:45am

tim1234 2 years 23 weeks ago

How about the vote totals along with percent please?

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Judy Blue Eyes 2 years 23 weeks ago

Before I read the comments of former governor Arne Carlson, I had the same thoughts. Senator Franken never had due process and is punished for his humility and respect for the accusers. He should not resign. In the next election the voters of MN should decide his fate.

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Dianereynolds 2 years 22 weeks ago

If Franken stays, it completely removes the possibility of any democrat ever calling for the resignation of any Republican from office on sexual harassment issues.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out Al.

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TxPeon 2 years 22 weeks ago

Franken was in the entertainment biz, and the women pretty much know what to expect, or they should have quit the skit or show. They were not forced to participate in the scripts.

No Franken don’t quit, America needs you badly.

Is there a nation petition to convince him to not quit but fight for us all, including women?

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Trump's Ex-clas... 2 years 22 weeks ago

This is a case of two standards - one for GOP people - one for DEMS. Imagine this way and draw your conclusion. #1 assume there is a fight between the parties - and won worth winning. # so one fighter brings a knife and the other a gun. It's NOT a fair fight, is it? That's what Franken quitting is REALLY like. So yes, I guess some can say how can DEMS claim high moral ground if they allow him to stay. You know what I say? I don't think Moore or even Trump was disqualified for being a person who takes advantage of smaller creatures, which women are by nature. They are disqualified for WHO THEY ARE on ISSUES that affect us TODAY! And on that, there is NO ONE BETTER than FRANKEN. These transgressions are hormone driven. Moore was no longer a threat to little girls was he - at 70? No one's going to Trump that way either. They are PAST that stage of life. So YES. Franken, READ THIS. And then get fellow DEMS to read it. Because we will need you in 2018. And one more thing. If you do go and DONT stay in the game from the sidelines - or from another postion - then you really are QUITTING, and then maybe we dont need you. We dont need quitters in 2018. They are going to make it hard. The ONLY good quality Trump has - he does not quit.

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Nomastrump 2 years 22 weeks ago

Franken like Reagan .. Trump et al should stay in the "entertainment" business.. say that is what Government is isn't it? In fact, US Congress is the largest "whore house" on earth. Elected officials are just "whores" mostly... not really dedicated casuists... Franken is like Joe Biden... just a smiley face of insincerity. We all seek the impossible: honest politicians with integrity. As a life-long Democrat, Franke was at the top of my "fecal roster" when he admitted he was openly in it for the money.. job benefits... celebrity status. While I working as a senior level professional for IRS at DC headquarters, I learned this axiom: "How do you know when a politician is lying?" His/her lips are moving. Franken was/is no different. he can now be placed on the "dung heap" of useless politicians. Like Biden.

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2950-10K 2 years 22 weeks ago

Franken needs to reverse his decision...the fight for our democracy is far bigger than the PG rated activity he "may" have been involved in. I was hoping that when he had his media moment and the nations attention, instead of resigning, he would have used the moment to put the spotlight on the pussy grabber by speaking about Trump's admitted immoral activity.

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Congagal 2 years 21 weeks ago

Al Franken should have (my opinion) allowed the ethics commite to investigate and present their findings. The other dems that forced Franken out abided Bill Clinton's indescritions. This is inconsistant, and taking the moral high ground now to prove something to and about the Republicans ....... I am sure that Trump and the GOP don't care about morals. They only pay homage to their bankers, not morals, country, constituants et al. I do not think the Dems thought this through or am I missimg something?

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ShastaKath 2 years 21 weeks ago

Franken is crass, but neither a rapist nor a pediphile. Appology was enough. I hope he stands up to "peer pressure" from "establishment" demo-peers and recinds his resignation. He's a clear-headed liberal thinker with a genetic liability--i.e., a penis.

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