Who Will Stop World War III?
By Thom Hartmann A...
Back in 2001, after 9/11, Congress gave the president the authority to basically wage war anywhere in the world where there were governments affiliated with Al Qaeda, the radical Sunni Muslim group that came out of the Saudi Wahhabist movement. Iran is Shia Muslim, essentially the sworn enemies of the Sunnis. But now the Trumps are telling us that Iran has an affiliation with Al Qaeda. It appears this is just to satisfy the requirement of that 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force or AUMF. If so, Congress needs to change that AUMF right now!Will the Republicans have the courage to do what's right and join with Democrats to block this president from starting World War III?
-Thom
Comments
#2
Yakkety yak, yakkety-yak ...Hot Mess is "dump-trucking" all over the place as usual.
>>>BACK ON TOPIC<<<
"Will the Republicans have the courage to do what's right ...?"
hahahahahahaha
So far, there is little evidence of that on any front. It's possible a major proxy war between superpowers will wake them up to their maniac president ...when it's too damn late!
To their credit, however, the Senate did block the immoral sale of arms to the Middle East, this time around anyway. But then, it doesn't take a whole lot of courage when his cowed sycophants in Congress know Trump will veto the bill anyway.
Hopefully (without sounding too naive), Iran can convince the U.N. that the drone was in their airspace. At this point, the world is undoubtedly prone to believe Iranian intelligence instead of our own, since Generalissimo Trump has destroyed the credibility of the United States with both our allies and our enemies. Certainly, he has with the majority of Americans.
Why is the Liar in Chief provoking them in the first place? If memory serves correctly, didn't Republicans accuse Clinton of "wagging the dog" of war when they were trying to impeach him for lying about consensual sex with another adult? Drumming up a fake war is the ultimate distraction. Where is all that feigned Republican outrage now, when it really matters?
Besides, the world remembers it was the United States, not Iran, who broke the nuclear agreement and proved we can't be trusted, which has brought us to the brink of war. Iran was fully in compliance up to that point.
#3
What war are you talking about? Please be specific. I watched the news this morning. It was CNN so I'm not sure if it was real or fake. They say Iran shot down a drone and everybody expects us to retaliate somehow. Okay, so where is the retaliation? Where is the war you are talking about? I saw Trump actually making an excuse for them by claiming it might have been a mistake on Iran's part.
The only war going on right now that I see is among the 500+ democratic candidates for president. Now that's a real fight.
#4
Good Friday HotCoffee, I did not know Kimberly Guilfoyle was Newsome's ex-wife. That explains a lot of your governor's stupid comments
As far as the West Coast rebelling against the leftie/socialists? Lot's of luck. The moneyed and corporations are moving out for lower tax states. The sad part, they, for the most part, drag the politics with them and are too stupid to understand why they moved out in the first place. Seattle and Portland have become wastelands filled with homeless and freeloaders. CO & MN are moving in that direction and we need not address the utter stupidity of the governor of NY and mayor big bird of NYC.
The Iran story is interesting. Not being one who gives two thoughts about the Mid-East, I was interested as to how President Trump was going to navigate through this morass. I believe Iran is provoking a war because they are inches away from the people revolting against the Mullahs that have ruined that society. A war with anybody would cement their control over that country for years. I am glad President Trump at the last minute asked "how many people will this strike kill" and then decide the response was not appropriate. I am sure there is much more inside info that we will never know but let the uninformed speculate. I may even tune in Hatrmann today just to hear how he can turn this great move on President Trump's part into another "lets all hate on Trump" rant. About ten minutes in I suspect and it's back to Limbaugh or a local podcast for entertainment.
BTW Pam Geller is one tough cookie. I love her spunk.
See ya!
#5
Coalage3 you are right on. I turned on the computer this morning and heard about Trump's move. It will be fun listening to the leftie/socialists try and turn his comments about avoiding conflict into something negative. Rest assured they will.
As far as the democrat clown car, this will be nothing but pure entertainment. They are already throwing knives at cancer curing creepy Uncle Joe Biden who has only held five jobs in his lifetime,
1.Politician
2. Politician
3. Politician
4. Politician
5. Unlicensed Message Therapist.
#6
Ha! You feces-flinging monkeys sure are a barrel of laughs that keeps on giving. Thanks for the easy opening this morning:
"Who me? What war? Move on, folks; nothing to see here."
My, my, Trump's wild-eyed trolls sure are hopped up on winger-juice this morning, aren't they? What, did Fux "News" and far-right fake-news in Trumplandia pop your little corks yesterday?
Bring it! Your idiotic posts really are comical if not so pathetic.
Get real! The only reason your fake president did not start an insane shooting war with Iran is because of universal freak-out by our allies and virtually everyone in our country, including Congress critters. The representatives of the People (supposedly), despite their huge differences on other issues, do know in their collective hearts and minds that we and the world are dealing with an unhinged madman with his finger on a hair trigger, who ain't too bright and who certainly can't be taken at his word.
Incessant lying has its price.
That, and the high probability that once all the data is analyzed objectively by independent arbiters, the unmanned drone likely wandered into Iranian airspace. Ooohhh -- egg on the face! (BTW, Trump called regular airplanes "manned drones." LMAO, you just can't make this stuff up.)
Was that accidental or intentional? Even if it didn't cross the line, why the hell was a $176 million-dollar drone (on the taxpayers' dime) flying so damn close to the edge, anyway, where the chance for human error and electronic miscalculation on both sides is extremely high.
It's a fool's gambit. It's called the "buildup to war." It's called "provoking a war." It's a very dangerous game with very high stakes indeed. It's how major conflicts begin. And it has zero support, other than by the extreme war-hawks embedded in his cabinet. John Bolton comes to mind, naturally, which begs the question of why Goofy even hired such a warmongering fool in the first place.
Great minds think alike ...and so do foolish minds.
The simpleton, which you particular major, MAGA fools haunting these pages seemingly worship more than Jesus H. Christ himself, has only one basic strategy: create a fake problem and then fake-proclaim that either you have already fake-solved it or secretly know how to fake-solve it ...ah, someday in a fake future that doesn't exist.
As you might have guessed, "fake" is the key operating word these days, which King Trump The Faker unconsciously projects onto anyone who calls out his bullsh*t.
"Trust me. I have a little piece of paper hidden in my pocket somewhere that is 'evidence' of my 'superior' negotiation and people skills. Oh yeah, and I have a wall to sell you, too."
Making moves and then pulling them back is the same lame "chess move" he's made on virtually every notable issue to date. Checkers is probably more his speed, and even that's in doubt. Think about it; he doesn't even know how to close an umbrella before entering the door of Air Force One, for gods sake!
The list of his follies is long, including but not limited to: tax giveaways for his billionaire buddies (first and foremost), grabbing power like a king, the Justice Department, healthcare, education, infrastructure, jobs, immigration, tariffs, NAFTA, NATO, the Paris Agreement, Venezuela, Guatemala, Hondorus, El Salvidor, Mexico, Russia ("if you're listening"), China, North Korea, Russia, Syria, Iraq, Afganistan, and, of course, Iran -- a country, besides Mexico full of brown people, that really riles up his stubborn base of bigots.
And the illiterate fools who clog up Thom's Blog with their uninformed, wing-nut garbage are even dumber and more naive than Trump the Immature -- their tinhorn demagogue. Is that even possible?
Impeach the stupid sonofabitch before he really does start World War Three!
#7
Hi Diane & coalage,
About Iran.....
What worked during the Obama administration may not work now.
In May 2018, the Donald Trump administration withdrew the United States from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with Iran, popularly known as the Iran nuclear deal.
The U.S. then ramped up sanctions on the Iranian theocracy to try to ensure that it stopped nuclear enrichment. The Trump administration also hoped a strapped Iran would become less capable of funding terrorist operations in the Middle East and beyond, proxy wars in the Persian Gulf, and the opportune harassment of ships transiting the Strait of Hormuz.
The sanctions are clearly destroying an already weak Iranian economy. Iran is now suffering from negative economic growth, massive unemployment, and record inflation.
A desperate Iranian government is using surrogates to send missiles into Saudi Arabia while its forces attack ships in the Gulf of Oman.
The Iranian theocrats despise the Trump administration. They yearn for the good old days of the Obama administration, when the U.S. agreed to a nuclear deal that all but guaranteed future Iranian nuclear proliferation, ignored Iranian terrorism and sent hundreds of millions of dollars in shakedown payments to the Iranian regime.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/us-iran-showdown-american-position-strong/
and
ICE to Begin Pre-Dawn Immigration Raids in 10 Major US Cities on Sunday“ICE agents will likely execute predawn raids starting Sunday, targeting as many as 2,000 migrant families facing deportation orders in as many as 10 U.S. cities, including Houston, Chicago, Miami and Los Angeles,” reported the WashingtonPost. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/just-in-ice-to-begin-pre-dawn-immigration-raids-in-10-major-us-cities-on-sunday/
Smile...the weekend begins!
#8
Diane,
LOL Thom on Bill Maher.....
“If you want to run a campaign based on reparations and concentration camps, then it's going to be very hard to win the election, I'm not saying you can't do it, I’m not saying you can’t do it, but very hard to argue that this is helping," Maher said to a smattering of applause from the studio audience. After liberal radio talk show host Thom Hartmann dismissed the backlash against Ocasio-Cortez, pointing instead to Trump accusing the New York Times of treason, which he said "is punishable by death," Maher pushed back with disbelief.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/449841-maher-very-hard-to-win-in-2020-if-democrats-run-on-reparations-and And that's the Friday night funnies folks!
#9
OK, The not so funny Saturday link...
Video: La, SF, Seattle, Portland... Everyday Life In The Democrat Utopia..
Did ya know?
Confirmed: Study Finds 92% of Left-Wing Loser Activists Live at Home with Mommy and Daddy
yep...right here
http://www.stationgossip.com/2019/06/confirmed-study-finds-92-of-left-wing.html
later!
#10
Good Sunday HotCoffee. The concentration camp thing points out how flat out stupid people can be. People should understand that Alexandria occasional Cortex has the IQ of a geranium and she is the best thing the Republicans have going.
Your video of LA's homeless is telling but it reverberates all up the coast. Seattle and Portland are worse in many respects. I would love to see the people rise up and start ousting these inbred democrats that have infested our once great cities politically.
later,
#11
Happy Sunday Diane,
AOC = Off her Rocker!
did you see this?
The video the Left don’t want many to see!
https://twitter.com/rhowardbrowne/status/1142595649638195200/video/1
When do you think they will quit playing their sick game??
Later!
#12
Hey Diane,
FYI,
Trump single handedly broke Barack Obama's legacy -snapped it like a twig; he broke Hillary Clinton's perfidious ass, and he reduced her to a frail and bitter old dystaxic drunk. He broke Michael Moore and turned him into a quadruple chinned mumbling fool . He broke Barbara Streisand and Lena Dunham, he made one eat and one not eat themself into a stupper. Trump made Jeb spend 100 million dollars for zero primary delegates and broke him. He broke Kathy Griffin so badly that she was fired for being too offensive to be a spokesman for a company that makes and sells outhouses; He broke both Michael Avenatti and Stormy Daniels. Trump Broke “Never Trumper”,Bill Kristol, and bankrupt his Neocon leg humping magazine. He broke Rosie O'Donnell -several times.
Trump broke Robert De Niro's high school drop out brain beyond repair, and he drove him mad; He broke Jim Carrey, and he turned him into a drooling loon sketching out maniacal fantasies; He stomped on Michael Cohen's gemmies and broke him -broke him ugly; Trump left Alec Baldwin baying at the moon, spiteful, and broken; He Broke Rachel Maddow and sent her into a nervous breakdown crying on national TV with her ratings plunging. Trump broke the Paris Climate Change Accord, and finished it off. John Kerry and his bought and paid for Iran Nuclear Deal... broken by Trump.
Michele Wolf. Samantha Bee, Omarosa Manigault and The White House Correspondents Dinner, Santa Clause bearded David Letterman broke, broke, broke, broke, broke. He broke CNN so completely the only audience they have left is the captive audiences in airport terminals and hospices.
Everyone who goes up against Trump loses. It's like a curse. It's uncanny how some celebrity or athlete focuses on Trump and goes off on an anti-Trump rant and then fails professionally in some fashion. Sometimes it is in unrelated ways like Jussie Smollett, Casey Affleck, Jerry Brown, Candice Bergen, Vincente' Fox, Tom Brokaw, Cher, George Clooney, John Conyers, Teresa May, Justin Trudeau, Bill Cosby, Johnny Depp,Eminem, Will Ferrell, Al Franken, Morgan Freeman, Jemele Hill, Megyn Kelly, Garrison Keillor, George Lopez, Louis C.K., Emmanuel Macron, Rob Reiner, Brad Pitt, Jorge Ramos, Amy Schumer, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Kevin Spacey, George Takei, and many more. All raged against Trump,all were broken.
Trump just keeps on taking on all comers and then he breaks them...LOL
#13
HotCoffee. Wonderful video on past presidents clamouring for more border security. Hatrmann would shrug this off with some deflection. The leftie/socialists seem to "forget" a lot of the past.
Love your list of leftie/losers. One you mentioned was Lena Dunham, a nobody who was an alumni from.... You guessed it Oberlin College that bastion of leftie/socialists that lost their case in court and may have to pay $44 million in damages to a local bakery they tried to run out of business when a couple of shoplifters screeched discrimination when they were caught red handed and the college stepped in and supported their claims. God how I live justice.
Let's add another one to the list. Read the history of this self important clown.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/bernie-sanders-the-bum-who-wants-your-money/
#14
Diane,
Sanders lost much of his support when he let Hillary screw him and then he kissed her behind. Showed he had no principles or spine!
Now he's losing support as people find out what being a socialist really is!
No worries Giulani has it covered.....
Giuliani Lashes Out At Clintons: You Are "America's Number One Crime Family"
and Bernie did nothing!
article here
and more coming....
Judicial Watch: FBI Admits Hillary Clinton Emails Found in Obama White House
enjoy!
#15
#4: "Not being one who gives two thoughts about the Mid-East [sic]..."
#5: "...turned on the computer this morning and heard about Trump's move."
Trump trolls suddenly become experts, however, simply by cherrypicking wingnut articles wending their way through the daily news cycle. Impressive.
Well, let's snatch a snowflake out of this blizzard of trivia, gossip, innuendo, and below-the-fold stories of little import, and check it out. That quick, cut-and-paste job in flake #7 is somewhat on topic. Dang, on closer examination though, like most, it only advances the cause of ignorance and confusion, misrepresenting the terms and aims of the Iran nuclear accord. It figures.
Few of us are experts on Iran, especially Trumpies, so sources matter. The classic, yellow-journalistic screed in the link insinuates that Iran broke the agreement somehow. It didn't. The jingoistic, hit-job piece implies that the accord allows Iran to get The Bomb some day. It doesn't.
The crank who penned this monstrosity conveniently left out key details: the percentages of uranium enrichment; the number of centrifuges; the disposition of stockpiles; decommissioned facilities; legitimate peaceful uses; timelines, etc., etc. If the so-called "shakedown payments" accusation is a reference to Iran's own money that was lawfully released back to them once they were in compliance, then he mischaracterized that as well. But who knows what the hell tangent he goes off on. He projected his own wild, domestic political conspiracy theories onto the leaders of Iran, which makes him sound as paranoid as Alex Jones. And, for good measure, he misconstrued who is provoking whom.
Incongruously, he then concluded with the salient point that Uncle Sam's dick is bigger than Iran's (in more military-sounding words). Why doesn't this fossil-fuel apologist, warmonger, and ranting bigot just come right out and say it plainly? "Who cares about a theocracy that ain't Christian in some "sh*t hole" country that ain't Meerkkka? Do what Big Daddy Trump says or suffer the wrath of God, ya little pagan bastards!"
See, that's how this whole thing got started after WW II. Uncalled-for aggression begets hate that can last generations. We were the bad guys in Iran. We still are. It was over greed and oil. It still is. It's hard to see into the mind of one's enemy, but at least hearing them out may lead to more constructive communication and de-escalation. Otherwise, it's war -- extreme politics by another name.
“Meeting jaw to jaw is better than war.” --Winston Churchill
In 1953, the CIA and their rogue agent, Kermit Roosevelt, at the behest of British oil interests, a forerunner of BP, fomented a coup against Mossadegh, a highly popular Prime Minister elected overwhelmingly by a democratic parliament. In his place, the infamous Shaw of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, was installed as a puppet friendly to Western oil interests.
The people despised him and, by extension, us. Who can you blame them? It would be as if Iran fomented a coup against Eisenhower, installed the Ayatollah, and tried to steal all the gold in Fort Knox.
Right-wingers in Iran love it when right-wingers in the United States provoke them. It increases their power over the moderate forces. Backing a well-armed nation into a corner and expecting cowardly compliance is totally naive. Why would anyone willingly look weak in front of their neighbors by submitting to a puffed-up clown with crazy-hair? Iran is an ancient and proud land; they will never bend a knee to King Trump the Dishonorable, even if we beat them to a bloody pulp.
But Iran is not some minor military force, like Saddam's Iraq or the Afghan warlords; it's tough, smart, and modern -- a formidable foe. Sure, we'll prevail, but it'll be a bloodbath like no other since the Iran-Iraq war in the 80s. Is that what it takes to stop a nuclear weapons program nowadays? Because without "Obama's deal" in place, that's a real possibility.
What most military-minded leaders with nuke-envy totally get is that if you have the Big Bomb you get respect. Ask "Little Rocket Man," Kim Jong Un of North Korea. Like his daddy dictator and his daddy dictator before him, he figured out how to flaunt his phallic symbols and charm his enemies like King Trump the Immature, who "loves" blustering bullies like himself. Why won't we ever attack that little freak? Because he has the Big Bomb, but also because he has enough conventional forces that could kill millions.
Whatever Trump the Liar says, the opposite is true. The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action is a good thing, not a bad thing. It prevents Iran from making the bomb and therefore prevents war with us over the issue. But, despite all evidence to the contrary, wingers will forever conflate Iran's peaceful nuclear-energy program with a fantasy nuclear-bomb program.
Trump broke the word of the United States and is threatening military action. Iran is appealing to the U.N. So, who's winning the battle of perception? It looks like good ol' Uncle Sam is the one who can't be trusted. Trump sure proved that to everyone. Despite Republicans' best spin, it's a pesky fact of history now, right up there with the Mossadegh coup. To Iran, we're still the bad guys with the guns.
Basically, the accord is twofold: it recognizes a sovereign nation's right to create a nuclear program for energy production and other peaceful purposes; it prevents Iran from ever using their program to make nuclear bombs.
It was never intended as a grab bag for every other grievance against Iran, such as funding terrorists (as Suadi Arabia does), fighting proxy wars (as Saudi Arabia does) harassing ships in the Straights of Hormuz (as U.S. drones apparently do). Those can be hashed out without affecting the terms of the JCPA, which, separate and apart, does not preclude further negotiations on lesser matters.
Among other things, the accord kept uranium U-235 levels very low, only for power plants; it radically reduced the number of centrifuges and stockpiles; it repurposed facilities; it substantially increased "breakout time" with enough lead to effectively respond and re-impose sanctions, or worse if necessary; it established stringent inspections and monitoring procedures.
It was far from perfect (What is?), but it was effective in achieving the main objective: keeping Iran out of the nuclear club. The proof is that Iran remained in full compliance, even though we're still geopolitical enemies in so many other ways. In other words, two implacable enemies, along with the most powerful nations on Earth, were able to cooperate successfully over several years on an extremely difficult issue -- a remarkable achievement without firing a shot, a positive example for the world.
Now, Trump the Cry Baby is flying by the seat of his diaper, upsetting the delicate balance, as he does with most of his relationships.
He's angling for the most punishing sanctions to cripple their economy just short of war -- a vicious, needless attack on innocent civilians -- after trashing the agreement for no good reason, other than to feed red meat to his howling dogs. Yet, he took away the one thing that precluded the necessity of warfare to stop weapons-grade enrichment. This thoughtless, arbitrary action, like exiting the Paris accords, will go down as one of history's greatest foreign policy blunders.
Like most countries in the world, Iran is trying to diversify its energy sources, so that it's not a slave to oil -- a wise course of action, even though it's towards nuclear power. (Solar and wind would be even wiser.) Meanwhile, oil is still Iran's principal source of revenue, so the sanctions threaten their entire economy. By destroying so many people's livelihoods and ability to support their families, how exactly will that improve relationships between our two heavily populated nations?
So, what are Generalissimo's options if Iran does decide to go all out for nukes in retaliation for the sanctions? He can rattle his saber and hurl empty threats and insults, looking weak and foolish (because he is). Or, he can start the bloodiest war in the Middle East. It sounds like the dilemma of a deranged medieval king rather than of a world statesman.
Actions have consequences. The Mad King should have tamed his inner dragons instead of burning "Obama's deal" to ashes, as most rational observers at the time tried to warn against. This is a crisis of his own making, added to his growing list of fake emergencies.
Jaysus! Dethrone this stupid sonuvabitch!
#16
Good Monday to you Hot Coffee. Today's beauty comes from Fauxhontas, who in a desperate attempt to out leftie the 25 others in the democrat party clown car, decided the US government needs to pay reparations to same sex couples.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/23/elizabeth-warren-reparations-same-sex-couples/
I can't wait for the democrat debates. That will be a must see TV shitshow of the highest order.
#17
I still don't know what war you are referring to. Did I miss the congressional declaration of war resolution this weekend?
The only people who want a war with Iran are the Iranians (so the price of oil will go up), John Bolton, and the democratic presidential candidates. Other than that, I don't know anyone who feels like going to Tehran.
#18
Diane & coalage,
Sorry Diane you'll have to fill me in ... no way I could stomach watching 2 days of the left trying to promise more free stuff than the last canidate. Or, one complaining that Trump wants to take us to war while the next complains that Trump is weak and won't go to war. Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't crap. Being in Ca. thats all you hear here anyway.
I agree coalage I don't know anyone who wants more war either....or a free trip to Iran.
S.F. rumor....Gavin Newsome....Nancy Pelosi's nephew will run for president in 2020.
Don't know if it's true but it's a rumor going around.
Meanwhile when will the left stop complaing and and send some soap & toothbrushes to the border?? They can't even help with that!!
If complaining was a prerequisite for being president they would win.
Later!
#19
I forgot to add this
Insider Blows Whistle & Exec Reveals Google Plan to Prevent "Trump situation" in 2020 on Hidden Cam
Here’s what Gennai says in the undercover video:
We all got screwed over in 2016, again it wasn’t just us, it was, the people got screwed over, the news media got screwed over, like, everybody got screwed over so we’re rapidly been like, happened there and how do we prevent it from happening again.
We’re also training our algorithms, like, if 2016 happened again, would we have, would the outcome be different?
Gennai also declares her opposition to Democrat presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren’s proposal to break up Google. Why? Because, says Gennai, if Google is broken up it can’t prevent another “Trump situation.”
Elizabeth Warren is saying we should break up Google. And like, I love her but she’s very misguided, like that will not make it better it will make it worse, because all these smaller companies who don’t have the same resources that we do will be charged with preventing the next Trump situation, it’s like a small company cannot do that.
Gennai also declared that no amount of soft pressure from Congress or the White House will make Google change its ways. In other words, talk won’t help — if politicians want to change Google’s behavior, they’ll have to go beyond committee hearings and actually change the law.
We got called in front of Congress multiple times, so we’ve not shown up because we know that they’re just going to attack us. We’re not going to change our, we’re not going to change our mind. There’s no use sitting there being attacked over something we know we’re not going to change. They can pressure us but we’re not changing. But we also have to be aware of what they’re doing and what they’re accusing us of.
According to her professional profile, Gennai works on “responsible innovation” in the Global Affairs division of Google — the same division run by Kent Walker, the Google VP who has declared his intention to make the populist-nationalist movement represented by Donald Trump a “blip” or “hiccup” in history, which he said “bends towards progress.”
Walker made these statements just days after the 2016 election, in a confidential video recording that was leaked to Breitbart News
later again!
#20
Hey HotCoffee, A while back I did some research on Google Sensovault. It had tracked my every movement over a period of years and plotted them on a map. Dangerous stuff.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/13/technology/google-sensorvault-location-tracking.html
On the illegal immigration front, this goes on daily in TX and AZ. Less than a minute long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvBtSHQh2S4&feature=youtu.be
#21
Diane,
The whole border looks like that! I ran into this article this morning.
The Unfolding Revolution In Honduras Will Prove to be the Catalyst for 150 Million Migrants Eventually Coming to Our Southern Border
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So it's not a new Trump problem It's a problem ignored by dems for decades and still ignored today...except for the whine about Trump that is. And please stop using Obama border cages to frame Trump.....you're not fooling anyone....nor do we expect border agents to be babysitters although they do have a heart and bring their childens diapers from home for the children at the facilities.
Do you think Pelosi will get anything done in 2 weeks or is she to busy with the diaper mentality of the AOC crowd?
we'll see.
Later.....
#22
Good Tuesday HotCoffee. As I was reading your post the announcement that Mexico was putting 15,000 troops on their northern border which is in addition to 5000 already in place on their southern border. This is a show but it could help slow the flow of phoney "refugees' that for some reason do not want to stop and stay in Mexico which according to leftie/socialists has free education, free college, low taxes, and free healthcare for all. Why they would want to travel an additional 2500 miles in flip flops and a tee shirt is beyond me. I was always puzzled why Somalis who live in a climate that is 90-100° year round would ever migrate thousands of miles to Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota where two thirds of the year it is below freezing? Answer: look at the map of the 2016 election map by county.
Alexandria Occasional Cortex, Talieb, Omar, and a couple all make Hank Jonhson seem like a genius. They are all an absolute gift to the Republican party.
see ya,
#23
Now it looks like AOC is holding up approval of some additional funding that would go to improve some of the conditions in southern border detention centers. I thought this was for the poor children. Now we all know that Trump should just tell Pelosi and AOC that there are a bunch of pregnant illegals that want abortions. Boy, then the money would flow from the house of representatives.
Trump is showing that the dems really don't care about the illegal immigrant children, or the dreamers, or their parents, or for that matter, the law. It is painfully obvious that the party of death, also known as the democrats, do not want to improve the border situation. They just want to try and keep the issue going so they can try and blame Trump until the election. Of course, this strategy will backfire.
The democratic party has completely gone off the rails in this country.
#24
Coalage3, the democrat party has been off the rails since Nov. 2016 when Hillary got her rear end kicked by a bunch of "deplorables". They are getting worse every day. Hate, hate, and more hate is all they got. Watching the 25+ in the democrat clown car each promising more free shit than the last is just flat out amazing.
Now with Google executives caught with their pants down and of all things a knitting website banning anyone who supports president Trump. Honest to God, this s**t cannot be made up and the democrat party thinks the average working American is not tired of their desperate BS?
They are in for a yuge surprise in 2020 and after that date, we will no longer have need to listen as all of their collective heads will have their minds boggled and explode in unison.
#25
Coalage3, the democrat party has been off the rails since Nov. 2016 when Hillary got her rear end kicked by a bunch of "deplorables". They are getting worse every day. Hate, hate, and more hate is all they got. Watching the 25+ in the democrat clown car each promising more free shit than the last is just flat out amazing.
Now with Google executives caught with their pants down and of all things a knitting website banning anyone who supports president Trump. Honest to God, this s**t cannot be made up and the democrat party thinks the average working American is not tired of their desperate BS?
They are in for a yuge surprise in 2020 and after that date, we will no longer have need to listen as all of their collective heads will have their minds boggled and explode in unison.
#26
I keep thinking the party of death will come to their senses after the primaries are over. If they want to see Trump have another term, they are really making it easy for him. Keep talking about abortion on demand for any reason at any time, slave reparations, open borders, abolishing private insurance, etc. Oh, and keep trotting out AOC as the new face of the party.
Lefties seem to think that Trump supporters really like him. I don't think that is the case at all. The party of death is not providing a reasonable alternative. And with the economy humming along, the dems will have a hard time getting traction pushing extreme, out of the mainstream issues.
#27
It's Wednesday HotCoffee and good morning to you,
Saw this a day or so ago.
Home Depot co-founder: Bernie Sanders is the 'enemy of every entrepreneur'
Coalage3,
After the democrat party "debates" over the next two days, how many more will be added to their list of gifts to anyone who will vote for them,
1. Open Borders
2. Elimination of ICE and Homeland Security
3. Infanticide (full term baby has no rights)
4. Eliminate 2nd Amendment (Right to bear arms)
5. Ok with exporting jobs overseas and higher unemployment
6. Ok with mediocre economy and GDP (1.9%)
7. Higher Taxes
8. More Government Regulation and Control
9. Socialism vs Capitalism
10. Government run Healthcare (Government chooses)
11. Government Pays people who don’t want to work (guaranteed income)
12. Weaken Military
13. Eliminating some or all of the Constitution
14. Eliminating the Electoral College
15. Freedom of speech filtering via social media
16. Free college
17. All school loans are forgiven. $1.6 trillion
18. Reparations for blacks.
19. Reparations for gays.
20. Freeshit for everybody
#28
Good morning Diane & coalage,
Majority of Mexicans Want Their Government to Stop Letting Central American Migrants Travel ThroughTheir Country.
Gotta run erands today...more tomorrow or after the free sh*t debate.
#29
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#30
Hey HotCoffee, have a good one. I am forgoing the debate in favor of taking my grandkids out to a Japanese chop-chop steakhouse. Shrimp and steak flying through the air is better than all the bulls**t being tossed around during the "debate".
I did hear Fauxahontas will offer signed copies of her Indian (feathers not dots) cookbook Pow Wow Chow with every $1 donation.
#31
Hi Diane,
Hope you hada nice time at dinner last night.
I didn't watch the debate....so no input on that but heres the Drudge poll.
The conservative Drudge Report's instant poll shows Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) as the biggest winner of the first night of the Democratic presidential debates, with nearly 45 percent of the vote just after 8 a.m. Thursday morning.
The unscientific online poll shows Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) at a distant second, with 11.2 percent, followed by former Rep. John Delaney (D-Md.) at 8.6 percent and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio with 7 percent.
At the bottom of the poll are former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) and Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) with less than 4 percent of the vote.
Gabbard, an Iraq War veteran, gained attention for an exchange with rival Rep. Tim Ryan (D) after the Ohio congressman said the Taliban was behind the 9/11 attacks.
“The reality of it is if the United States is not engaged, the Taliban will grow. And we will have bigger, bolder terrorist acts, we have got to have some presence there,” Ryan said.
In response, Gabbard said that the Taliban "was there long before we came in and will be there long after we leave."
"We cannot keep U.S. troops deployed to Afghanistan thinking that we are going to somehow squash this Taliban,” she added.
“I didn’t say squash them," Ryan replied. "When we weren’t in there they started flying planes into our buildings.”
“The Taliban didn’t attack us on 9/11. Al Qaeda did,” Gabbard said before they talked over one another.
Gabbard is at just 0.8 percent in the RealClearPolitics index of polls, trailing front-runner Joe Biden by more than 31 points.
She was also the most-searched candidate on GoogleTrends during Wednesday night's event in Miami.
more here
Later!
#32
#33
HotCoffee, geat dinner with a lot of laugs.
As for the debates,
"NBC News analysis declares Donald Trump the winner of first Democratic debate'
SNIP,
"An NBC News analyst declared President Trump the winner of the first Democratic presidential debate of the 2020 election cycle.
Author and reporter Jonathan Allen expressed surprise that Trump emerged "largely unscathed" as the field of 10 candidates mostly avoided direct attacks on him.
Allen said the Democrats seemed more focused on positioning themselves furthest to the left to win over primary voters, rather than appealing to the swing voters that decided the 2016 election." As for immigration, here is a short video Hartmann, who flat out lies every time he open his mouth on this topic, should bone up on,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjxay-XeSks
#34
Diane....best fun site on the debate................so far!
http://www.diogenesmiddlefinger.com/
:))
#35
HotCoffee, that website is wonderful. Thank you.
From all the comments I have heard today the highlight was Castro who wants transgender women to have abortion rights. Nope I didn't make that up.
"Julian Castro defends transgender women's right to abortion"
#36
Diane,
They didn't ask Castro about, or mention this.......
Have you heard about this?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/18/world/americas/guatemala-cicig-aldana-corruption.html
That is from NYT ( barf ) but there is a lot about it if you Duck Duck Go it....I no longer use Google.... because....
https://www.projectveritas.com/category/content/top-stories/
where you going to hide from the debates tonight??
:))
#37
Just fo giggles...here's one more.
Beyond Tone Deaf – Candidate Bill de Blasio Quotes Communist Che Guevara in Miami…Posted on June 27, 2019 by sundance
This is just too damned funny. You cannot make this stuff up. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is campaigning in Miami with a bunch of SEIU (Service Employee International Union) workers. (Video Below)
And somehow, the doofus from New York thinks it would be a good thing at the Miami International Airport to cheer: “Hasta la victoria, siempre“. A very famous rallying cry from communist leader Che Guevara as he led the murder of thousands of Latinos.
When Gillibrand speaks tonight I wonder if Maddow will ask her about this??
Gillibrand sat at Nxivm table with Nancy Salzman at Hillary Clinton eventJanuary 21, 2019Artvoice https://artvoice.com/2019/01/21/forget-dad-stepmom-gillibrand-has-her-own-ties-to-nxivm/ NXIVMFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NXIVM Hmmmm.............
#38
Good Morning HotCoffee,
Somehow I missed the "debates" last night. I am listening to the clips and it sounds like the predicted script. Frees**t for everybody. The democrat party better hope a dozen or so immediately drop off this morning lest they put on another display like last night.
The border situation intensifies just in time to prove Trump was right. Here is a great clip of Obama saying the same things Trump has been saying for three years.
I caught this and thought you may be interested,
https://earther.gizmodo.com/airplane-contrails-have-surprising-effect-on-the-atmosp-1835905453
Got to listen to more clips. Back later
#39
Apparently, WW III broke out on stage last night. I saw some highlights and clips this morning. Same old, same old. The poor illegal immigrants. I heard nothing from any of the 10 about how they would at least slow down the invasion. Their stance will not play in middle America. This is not a winning issue for the dems.
Poor Joe. All he had to do was stand up to Harris and the rest of the bullies, and say his record speaks for itself and he is not ashamed of his previous votes, especially concerning his support for the Hyde amendment. He also should have reminded Harris that he was picked to serve as VP for the first black president. I dont think that woudl have happened if they thought he was a racist. That alone would help set him apart and at least show that he is not nearly as crazy as the rest.
And Harris is trying way too hard. Her supposed outrage over everything seems way too contrived for me. Plus she is a religious bigot of the highest order and a homewrecker. I wonder if she sends Willie Brown checks every month for the help he provided.
Where are the details on how to pay for all of the free stuff? How much are they going to raise my taxes? I want to know, but I bet that is never ever discussed in detail before election day.
#40
David Brooks, a Never Trumper if there ever was one, points out the obvious:
www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/opinion/democratic-debate-2020.html
The party is moving toward all sorts of positions that drive away moderates and make it more likely the nominee will be unelectable. And it’s doing it without too much dissent.
First, there is health care. When Warren and Kamala Harris raised their hands and said that they would eliminate employer-based health insurance, they made the most important gesture of the campaign so far. Over 70 percent of Americans with insurance through their employers are satisfied with their health plan. Warren, Harris and Sanders would take that away.
According to a Hill-HarrisX survey, only 13 percent of Americans say they would prefer a health insurance system with no private plans. Warren and Sanders pin themselves, and perhaps the Democratic Party, to a 13 percent policy idea. Trump is smiling.
Third, Democrats are wandering into dangerous territory on immigration. They properly trumpet the glories immigrants bring to this country. But the candidates can’t let anybody get to the left of them on this issue. So now you’ve got a lot of candidates who sound operationally open borders. Progressive parties all over the world are getting decimated because they have fallen into this pattern.
#41
Coalage3 you are absolutely correct. Hatrmann loves to twist history and choose polls that have been designed to report the outcome he favors but when the rubber meets the road most these leftie/socialist talking heads are way out of step with most Americans.
What I gathered from listening to segments of those pandering fools on stage over the last two nights,
abolishment of ICE
open borders
free healthcare for all illegals
free college
total forgiveness for student debt.
reparations for blacks
Higher taxes
Abortion on demand anywhere, anytime, paid for with government insurance
At this point in time, any rational person that steps forward and runs on the democrat ticket would have a chance at defeating President Trump.
All Trump has to do is ask the American people if they want to elect someone who is pushing the above points. If he follows that simple plan he has nothing to worry about in 2020.
#42
Hi Diane,
So in post #35 you posted ..."Julian Castro defends transgender women's right to abortion"
and I was thinking how does that work exactly... scientifically? Since the left is so into science.
1. Get uterus and load it with a fetus.
2. transplant into transperson.
3. Then... transperson can go to planned parenthood and get an abortion??
Geez!
next.....
Kamala won the pity me party last night.
I think Kamala would have been around 10 years old at the time of busing.
The problem with her statment is that it leaves out everything else going on in the Bay Area at the time....such as the Patty Hearst case and bombings of at least one police station. The Symbionese Liberation Army, all that soon after the Kent state shootings, and much more. People were nervous! Anyone remember that? Those were crazy times as well.
later!
#43
#44
Happy Saturday Kids,
And here's Willie Brown, pretty honest really!
Local // Willie's WorldDemocrats have a 2020 problem: Trump is good at electionsWillie Brown Feb. 9, 2019 Updated: Feb. 9, 2019 7:25 a.m.
and that's what I like about Willie he's truthful...like it or not!
#45
Good morning HotCoffee and a great Sunday it is.
I see President Trump was the first US president to enter NKorea. I suspect past presidents would have loved to have done the same. I wonder how the leftie/socialist radio talking head will spin this into a negative.
Your links of obama doing and making the exact same comments on the border that Trump is now making is hilarious. It is amazing how the leftie media tries to pretend that never happened. It's like they forget there is video of nearly everything and research only takes a second or two. (avoid Google).
One more beauty that points out the utter stupidity of those on the left surely to be covered by Thom Hatrmann.
The leftie/socialists complain there aren't enough beds in detention centers,
The Trump administration orders thousands of beds from online retailer, Wayfair.
Leftie/socialist democrats complain that Wayfair is making beds for "concentration camps".
Wayfair workers stage a walkout and stop making beds that were being sent to the detention facilities.
All Trump has to do is post 10-second videos of this crap and he is a walk in second term win.
Maybe the funniest 10 minutes of video ever on youtube.
Later.
#46
I hear that a new war has broken out. We shall call it the "Spitting Wars". I'm sure that you heard about the spitting incident involving Eric Trump. And of course there have been other incidents where administration people have been harassed at restaurants because of their association with Trump. Now you have the NYT and other publications basically saying that its okay for people to be spit on, to be attacked by the left version of the KKK (known as Antifa), etc.
I wonder what would happen if someone went up and spit on Kamala Harris. After all, she is a hater of the first degree and perhaps the biggest religious bigot in the senate. The NYT says its okay to spit or attack people you don't agree with. The law doesn't matter either. Screw the law.
How about you Thom Hartmann? Is it okay to attack or spit on people you don't agree with politically, or culturally?
#47
And now I hear that the KKK, better known these days as Antifa, has beat up anther person in Portland. This was a reporter who happens to be gay and of Vietnamese heritage. Apparently, he wrote some stuff about Antifa that they didn't like. So he has to be beaten. Who runs the city of Portland anyway? Why don't they just go ahead and hand out black sheets and hoods to the Antifa thugs? The next time a rally is to be held in Portland, Trump should send in the US marshals to arrest anyone who causes trouble.
How about it Thom Hartmann? Don't you agree that these Antifa, klanish street thugs should be arrested for their obvious law breaking?
#48
Coalage3, Harassing is ok if you are a leftie/socialist. Anybody does it from the right and they are called Nazis.
With respect to Portland, It has become a sh*thole city and the stupid residents of that city deserve everything they voted for.
#49
Diane & coalage
Amen I agree with both of you.
Thom wouldn't last long on tv if he told the truth. Antifa is a terrorist group that makes Mad auntie Maxine proud.
Sorry been busy....
Later.......
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Diane,
Hey, I saw your Thursday post. I have a friend that knows Gavin quite well...yes the Newsoms and Pelosi's are related by marriage. Haven't heard if Gavin's ticked about his ex hooking up with Don jr. lol.
meanwhile....
In primetime, CNN ranked number 14 in all of cable, while Fox News and MSNBC ranked number one and two, respectively.
In total day, CNN squeaked into the top at number nine. Fox and MSNBC again took the top two spots.
Total Primetime Viewers
Fox: 2.26 million
MSNBC: 1.5 million
CNN..LOL: 744,000
Total Day Total Viewers:
Fox: 1.23 million
MSNBC: 850,000
CNN..LOL: 519,000
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I hear folks are getting fed up here in Ca. and starting a recall of the LA mayor.
and
Oregon: Republicans walk out of legislature, refuse to vote on Marxist bill, Communist governor orders state troopers to arrest them and bring them in.By Pamela Geller - on June 20, 2019
Republican walk out of legislature, refuse to vote on Marxist bill. Communist governor orders state troopers to arrest them and bring them in.
Oregon – on verge of violence, civil war.
Republicans tell Dems to “come heavily armed as we won’t be taken political prisoners in our own state.”
https://gellerreport.com/2019/06/oregon-republicans-walk-out-of-legislature-refuse-to-vote-on-marxist-bill-communist-governor-orders-state-troopers-to-arrest-them-and-bring-them-in.html/
The west coast just might be getting fed up! :)
Michael Moore and Piers Morgan both say'in Trump going to win!!
Catching up on the Iran situation.....more later!