Is Trump's Call For Civil War Really a Call For a Race War?

Thom plus logo Donald Trump has suggested that South and Central American refugees fleeing gang violence and starvation from climate change should be shot in the legs as they approach the US border to ask for asylum. His bizarre fantasy of erecting a moat filled with alligators to prevent brown people from coming to America is juxtaposed by a police chief on trial for brutality saying that Donald Trump is "the last hope for white people in America."

When Franklin Graham says that holding Trump accountable for trying to bribe a foreign official is going to cause a "Civil War," what he is really talking about is a race war. That's the subtext of all these right wingers on Trump TV and other venues who are talking about coups and civil wars. The billionaires and Republicans can't win elections based on their policies, so they are trying to stoke up racial hatred in America to get frantic white people to the polls.

This is a complete repudiation of everything this country claims to stand for.

Plus...In other news.

It's been a year this week since Washington Post columnist Jamall Khashoggi was brutally murdered by agents of the Saudi government. America needs to seriously reconsider the kinds of alliances we have established around the world over the years, and start aggressively working with struggling and emerging democracies like in central America, South America and Africa, and stop supporting murderous dictatorships, regardless of how much oil they have or how much money they give to Jared Kushner and other members of the Trump crime family.



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deepspace 4 years 37 weeks ago

Trump and the henchmen with whom he surrounds himself are flaming racists. End of story.

Look no further than his hero, Andrew Jackson. The only thing he shares with that grizzled warmonger, though, is deep-seated, unapologetic white supremacy. The hardscrabble general, to say the least, would not have smiled kindly on a pampered and cowardly New Yorker who weaseled out of military service with a fake bone spur.

In 13 months, if it hasn't already, the battered electorate in this dying democracy must ultimately come to realize that Trump does not understand what is right or wrong nor what is legal or illegal. He simply does not care.

His oft-repeated line, "America first," is just another big lie; it has always been Trump first.

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Hephaestus 4 years 36 weeks ago

Sorry! DogToks is incomprehesable

deepspace - america is a racist country... period!

Witness the hate against Obama currently spewed

Apartheid began in this country

Though the term was applied to South Africa later

America grew outrage for political reasons whilst doing axactly what it condemned... losing sight of the fact it was created right in the good old usa

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deepspace 4 years 36 weeks ago

Hey, Hephaestus. Good hearing from one of the old gang.

No one can deny this country's sad history of ugly and violent institutional racism. And no one can deny that this particularly insidious form of hatred still very much exists today in the hearts of so many despite all the laws passed against it. Laws cannot change the heart.

But people can, for racism is a learned attitude. We can only point it out where it exists, be honest about it, and strive to unlearn it. Martin Luther King loved to quote Theodore Parker's famous adage, "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” "Hope springs eternal" is another timeless proverb.

note: I suspect that DogToks and the other crazy, indecipherable posts that crop up now and then are just part of a petty troll campaign that targets Thom's Blog (and other liberal sites) with mindless garbage dug up from god knows where. It would, of course, be unwise to click on any of the links contained therein. Sue is doing a great job of deleting them.

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SueN 4 years 36 weeks ago

DogToks was a spammer. DogToks is toast. Just ignore spammers, or when I zap them your comment to or concerning them will become incomprehensible :)

I doubt if apartheid began in America, but it certainly blossomed there, and I am ashamed to be from a country which fueled immigration of people with such attitudes to America, even though so far as I know none of my ancestors were involved.

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SueN 4 years 36 weeks ago

Most of the spammers are commercial, the equivalent of flyposting in the street, and most have zero interest in the sites they are posting on; they just hope that if they post on enough sites, Google will think they are popular and include them in search results. Very few even take the trouble even to do a search for a keyword relevant to the sites they are touting and post on the threads that they find.

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deepspace 4 years 36 weeks ago

The internet is a jungle. Thanks for walking point. ;--))

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Worn out door knobs 4 years 36 weeks ago

The following is from United American News....

"What’s particularly telling as the nation readies for the 2020 presidential election is that Hillary overwhelmingly carried black and latino voters in 2016 — and lost. President Trump reportedly earned only about 8 percent of African-American and 29 percent of Latino-American votes. More than a year away from the next election, President Trump’s support among Latino voters has reportedly topped 50 percent, and African-Americans are upwardly trending at 29 percent. With an increase in Black and Latino voters supporting President Trump, Americans can expect a landslide victory in 2020.".

So, go ahead, take your shoots. Tell me how I'm a fox news watching trool. (Even if I don't watch fox news). The President is very popular with Black's and Latinos. All the racist talk about a race war only helps to increase his popularity.

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MojoMan 4 years 36 weeks ago

Your analysis is excellent. There is one thing that is important to note and that is that with 89 to 90% of all Republicans prepared to say things like, "Trump is not a rascist." With the entire Republican Party in Congress in lockstep with him, it's time to see that Trump is both a mirror of and a bully pulpit for all the fascism in full glory that is the Republican party since Reagan.

So, while Trump acts like a 30's mob boss on an international scale it's critical to not overlook his pathetic, racist, oligarch loving horde of Republican fascist who literally are prepared to go down with him like the Nazis facing the Red Arrmy in Berlin.

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MojoMan 4 years 36 weeks ago

My luck I'm dealing with a bot or Russian troll here, however for the sake of civility.

I spent 18 months in Vietnam just so you could enjoy the right to believe in whatever you want and now I really see how misguided my thinking was.

However, let me just suggest that after Charlottesville and the shooting of a black prayer group by a white rascist, not to mention the murder of Latinos in in the Austin WalMart slaughter (again by a White rascist) that it is hard for me to see minorities flocking to support the grifter, rascist Trump and his fascist loving supporters in Congress. Just sayin'.

According to:

the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research Polling of Cornell University

  • Blacks voted 89% Clinton and 8% trump.
  • Latinos voted 66% Clinton to 28% trump

Virtually all the data from Pew to Annenburg etc. show this ratio. Just to show you though that I can accept and consider factual data:

  • In 2016 the Black vote for Clinton was 5% less than for Obama in 2012.
  • In addition there was a 2% increase in black votes for Trump.

​Now, I don't know how that correlates to specific swing states like Wisconsin that went Trump and allowed him victory in the Electoral College while losing by 3 million popular votes nationwide, but that's life when both Parties have allowed this vestige to support slavery was allowed to continue after the Civil War.

BTW what is United American News? - I can't even find it in Google Were you trying to reference OAN?

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SueN 4 years 35 weeks ago

This is the investigation stage, Trump will get his chance to question witnesses at the trial stage, which is in the Senate.

During some investigations, and occasionally some trials, if witnesses are felt to be at risk of intimidation or harm by the accused or his followers, their identity is kept hidden. Sadly, that would appear to be justified in this case.

Hopefully there will be so much corroborative evidence that the identity of the original whistelblower will become uniimportant

In any case, I would not be surprised if Trump already knew it.

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Worn out door knobs 4 years 35 weeks ago

Your hatred of the President does not justify a one sided investigation. Everyone is allowed to have an attorney at the time of an arrest. A one sided investigation is not fair to the American people. The investigation is the time for both sides to present information. If there is reason to impeach then it's time to move forward. It's fair, and it's the way our systems is supposed to's better for 10 guilty to go free, than to wrongly convict an innocent man...William Blackstone.

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Worn out door knobs 4 years 35 weeks ago


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SueN 4 years 35 weeks ago

He has plenty of attorneys. And he has admitted crimes in public. They are moving forward, but with him trying to stop the release of documents and preventing people from testifying - hardly the actions of an innocent man - it is going slower than it might. If he was innocent all these people would be testifying FOR him.

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Worn out door knobs 4 years 35 weeks ago


Due process is not being followed. The process being followed by the Democrats has only been used one time. That time was the attempted impeachment of Andrew Jackson, which didn't work. You mentioned if he was innocent all those people would attempt to defend him, but you forgot to mention that this isn't permitted under the rules the Democrats have made. Under the normal rules of impeachment, the president would be allowed a lawyer. Other's would be allowed supeona powers. People are not Stupid. Sooner or later this Democrat hate fest will be viewed for what it is...the attempt to change the results of a legitimate election....Shame on the Democrats.

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