If White America Doesn't Wake Up America May Become an Ungovernable Hellhole

Thom plus logo We're now learning that the Department of Homeland Security officials were given talking points to share with the media the defended Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old who traveled with his semiautomatic assault rifle from Illinois to Kenosha, Wisconsin to kill two people and blow the arm off a third.

Specifically, members of DHS were given written talking points that Rittenhouse "took his rifle to the scene of the rioting to help defend small business owners."

Other DHS talking points said that another right wing street-gang group had been "incorrectly" labeled as racist.

Our nation's top law-enforcement agency is now charged with providing a public defense, in the media, of a racist, fascist murderer and groups that consider him a hero.

When Tim McVeigh blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995, it was the coming-out party for today's racist, right wing movement. The Klan was so 19th century; there's a new generation of right wing killer racists in America.

Most Americans probably think the racist cheerleading is limited to Trump, but this cancer is now spreading unchecked through our federal, state and local police agencies.

Groups like the ones Trump shouted out to on Tuesday night are actively infiltrating and recruiting police and active duty military, and on numerous occasions have been seen coordinating with officers at protest sites.

Racism and the white supremacy ideology that underlies it are cultural, political, and societal suicide. They are the worst kind of poison.

They offer a simplified worldview that the problems of society are caused by "inferior" people. Messages like this get amplified when Trump tells all-white audiences, as he did earlier this week, but they have "great genes."

He doubles down when he attacks refugee communities and black legislators in America, and speaks the way he does about immigrants and African countries.

Across America, people are realizing the extraordinary danger this kind of political rhetoric represents, and the real-life damage it is doing to the American citizens it targets.

Until American leaders stand up and denounce these groups and this movement, it's just a matter of time before there are more slaughters like we saw in El Paso, and mass casualty events like we saw in Oklahoma City and Las Vegas. If white America doesn't wake up soon, this country may become an ungovernable hellhole.

Maybe that's exactly what Trump and the foreign oligarchs who own him want.



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alis volat 2 years 2 days ago

I want to remind everyone that Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano tried to warn us in 2009 that these organizations and militias were a huge domestic threat. She was vilified for pointing out their members often came from and were in the services. Tim McVay served in the Army. Rittenhouse with his AR and med kit was a wannabee. This situation with these folks is a national disgrace all the way around, and that includes our Commander in Chief who has encouraged it. It's exactly what Putin planned to exploit. It makes us look weak, stupid, and far from being a democracy with equal justice. Trump and the white supremacists make us look, dare I say it, Un-American.

The Army was a small part of my life, but I served so anybody can live, work, and pursue their happiness and tranquility anywhere in the United States and its territories. These unevolved beings have been with us always. Some sort of supremacist faction probably always will be. It is our job to vote for lawmakers and work for legislation that will ensure we defeat their agenda.

And now for something completely different, the bigly Covid-19 news just hit. The experts Trump screwed-over, please feel free to say, "How do you like us now?!".

Legend 2 years 2 days ago

Yes, Trump will have to listen to the experts now. He should be treated with Hydoxychloraquinn. I just hope that during the debate he did not spew enough aerosol to infect Biden. He did disburse a lot of aerosol.

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deepspace 2 years 2 days ago

Karma's a bitch.

Let's see now, what do Republicans always say after a mass shooting instead of passing any meaningful gun legislation? "The victims and their families are in our thoughts and prayers."

To be clear, I do not wish this horrible virus on anyone and hope that Donald, Melania, Hope Hicks, and whomever they may have infected all make quick and full recoveries with no long-lasting or permanent ill effects. From my heart, there is no qualifying "but" to that hope.

Except for this one: But that goofy bastard sure did ask for it!

Hopefully, his followers --finally -- will sit up and take notice. Guess those stupid fcking white-man genes don't ward off the evil virus after all. Don't even matter how many times you're tested if you're not wearing a mask and social distancing. Don't even matter if you're filthy rich (or faking it), or how many times you pretend it's all just a big DemocRAT hoax. Guess that whistling past the graveyard ain't really a great plan if you're the one getting infected and dying.

I'll bet a can of ice-cold Coors fresh out of the fridge to your raggedy-ass, week-old roach in the ass tray that the first thoughts to darken Trump's lizard brain were, "Fck! Now I can't hold any live rallies!" The second one, "Oh sht, I -- me! -- might die!"

Well, let's hope not.

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deepspace 2 years 2 days ago

Moving on (politics never stops)...

God forbid, if Trump dies or becomes too incapacitated to ever serve office again, it's too late into the election season for the RNC to select another candidate and have their name printed on the various state ballots. And many of them will begin early voting soon anyway. It's possible that many military and overseas ballots have been cast already, as they get an early jump.

Don't have time to chase down a million sources this morning, but from the little that I've read so far, there are a few likely but strange scenarios that could pop up.

The worst outcome would be that after the election is over and neither candidate, dead or alive, wins the required majority of Electoral College assigned delegates (a tie or third party factored in), the RNC committee would then send their selected replacement to the full House, which would choose the winner by a simple majority. The same process would also apply to the Democrats, but I'm not sure that if their original candidate isn't able to serve it would be the corresponding DNC that chooses a new candidate. Each party has its own bylaws unless they are restricted by the Constitution.

And of course, that scenario would suck "bigly" since each state only gets one vote in the House. And guess which party controls the most state legislatures? The Democrats better hope that Biden wins the swing states and the needed 270 out of 538 possible electoral votes (and of, of course, that he wasn't infected by Trump's fog of lies, bile, and aerosolized SARS CoV-2 projected across the debate stage at high velocities, and consequently becomes too incapacitated or dies. (Nature is a harsh mistress.)

As screwed up as our election process must seem to the rest of the world (It is), at least they are interesting, in a morbid way...like rubbernecking past a really bad car wreck.

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deepspace 2 years 2 days ago

Never put it past the right-wing swamp; this could be spun as another QAnon nutball conspiracy, soon to become mainstream Republican:

"Alright, ya weasely little child-molesting, baby-eating, liberal-pervert-Satan worshipper trying to take over the world, funded by George Soros, we caught you, hiding in the basement of a pizza parlor! We've been noticing your travel schedule lately, galavanting and cavorting across the homeland, spreading your wicked plague, trying to crush any hope of the Boss's upcoming, fake re-election actually happening in the, you know, real world. Now, how close exactly did you get to those big, beautiful, public, crowded, maskless campaign rallies with that stolen vile of the military-secret-lab 'Chiiina-virus' we conveniently found in your filthy, BLM-protester possession? Another 'drink' of wingnut Kool-Aid poured down your gagging, DemocRAT throat? Cut off the next toe?"

Hey, this is whacked-out cyberspace from Trumpworld, Earth-2 where you know some kind of version of this story has already "gone viral" (an unfortunate, dual-purpose phrase nowadays).

Legend 2 years 2 days ago

Interesting that Michael Moore's podcast today mentioned the fact that Trump has a history of lying about medical issues. From Bone Spurs to unplanned trips to Walter Reed and a lot in between. Today I noticed military fighter traffic over Denver was higher than normal. But what really shocked me was 2 B52's flying very close together at very low altitude. Flew North, then came back south about an hour later. I mean low. like 1000 ft above ground level. Never have seen this before. Military must be on some kind of alert.

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deepspace 2 years 2 days ago

Yeah, that's weird, especially over a big city. I've seen them do that with stealth fighter jets on the railroad east of the mountains on the prairie near the Canadian border, buzzing our train at super-low altitudes. But those were just routine training exercises out of Malmstrom Air force Base.

Legend 2 years 2 days ago

Another thing that I saw today. I live in a very conservative Republican county. The Democratic county office though has run out of yard signs. But today I saw that a closed down gas station has opened as a Trump sign store and is doing a booming business. Flags signs etc, and they are selling them, not giving away.

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deepspace 2 years 2 days ago

The final Battle of the Bastards begins...

Legend 2 years 1 day ago

SYMPATHY????? For some reason I do not feel very sympahetic for a POTUS that discouraged mask wearing and social distancing. We are at 7.5 million+ cases and millions of those could have been prevented by a good leader. He will get care that is by far better than any other person in America. Sorry but this does not require sympathy from me.

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deepspace 2 years 1 day ago

The lying bastard certainly doesn't deserve it.

The Trump train was chugging along for two or three days through several states happily throwing out COVID viruses by the hundreds of billions, exposing hundreds, possibly thousands who came into contact with his traveling circus, many up close and personal, many not wearing masks or social distancing -- the debate, rallies, fundraisers, press briefings, Rose Garden announcements, not to mention virtually everyone who walked through the doors of the White House in the last few days, and probably through the halls of Congress during the courtesy visits with his Supreme Court nominee (who, by the way, wants to take healthcare away from tens of millions during a pandemic).

Talk about a super-spreader!

And of course, his lies over the last eight months led directly to the infections of millions and the deaths of hundreds of thousands, with tens of thousands more to come before the election. Yeah, it's hard to feel sympathy for a mass murderer operating at the level of historic crimes against humanity.

Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! A prison, a hospital, a looney bin, whatever, just get him the fck out of the White House and out of our faces for good, somewhere he can be monitored 24/7.

Karma's a bitch.

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deepspace 2 years 1 day ago

A 'herd mentality' can’t stop the COVID-19 pandemic. Neither can a weak vaccine.

Just finished this rather sobering article. Also, check out the embedded video. Good info.

A word about this source:

I was a long-time National Geographic subscriber back in the day until Rupert Murdoch -- IMO, one of the worst human beings on the planet -- bought it, massively cut its budget, and screwed over a good chunk of its most experienced veteran journalists and various other experts. That was a sad day.

I don't really follow their stuff anymore, but I suppose that the Society, in spite of its owner, still manages to put out mostly good science, although I suspect Murdoch's main company probably exerts editorial control by picking and choosing the magazine's projects that generally reflect his worldview, or at least don't threaten it.

I have no evidence for that suspicion, so it would have to fall under the same rubric of Bill Maher's segment, I DON'T KNOW IT FOR A FACT...I JUST KNOW IT'S TRUE.

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alis volat 2 years 1 day ago

A conservative trait is that they learn when things land on their doorstep. Ding-Dong, Mr President, Covid-19 calling!

The Bugaloo Boys will be out tomorrow here. I wonder if masks will be as prevalent as AR's.

The new therapy works pretty well, so I will save my empathy for those families in mourning. And I don't just mean from the virus. 2020 is the year from hell weather wise as well as economically including homes lost by many. As the old Army cadence goes: Hold your nose and hang your head! We are marching by the dead!.....

Legend 2 years 1 day ago

The list of Trump associates that are coming down with the virus is growing. Kellyanne Conway and the new Campaign Director. You have 2 former campaign directors in jail, 1 on bail and now 1 in Quarantine. Wait, 2 in Quarantine because Kellyanne was also a campaign director. It is hard to keep track. Seems that it was at the Supreme Court Nominee Ceremony last Saturday that they had a Super Spreader event. No masks, close together. First 3 rows seem to be the area of contamination. 7 cases so far and counting. All of those people should be quarantined. Think of how many people they have come into contact with since that event. Republicans are really stupid. Now, Cleveland is reporting 11 cases from the Debate. The rest of the world is laughing at us.

Vote Lindsay out!

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Riverplunge 2 years 9 hours ago

And remember folks! Don't forget to "thank" our electoral college "president" for all his "hard" work.

Legend 2 years 7 hours ago


Your Friday 3rd hour once again tore down Medicare Advantage plans. The irony is you are promoting FOR PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANIES with their supplemental plans. They do not cover the 20% for nothing. I can only talk about my plan. I am on Kaiser Permanente Medicare Advantage plan. Kaiser Permanente is not a for profit insurance company. It is a not for profit medical consortium company. I pay my regular Medicare Rate for the plan. Doctor visits at Kaiser Permanente facilities are $5 and specialists are $35. The medical facilities are great, I had surgery 2 years ago and the bills were below $200. The Surgery was in a top rated hospital with a Kaiser Doctor. Kaiser Permanente is the only 5 star rating in my state. It also has actually gotten cheaper each year. It is not in every state, but is in Oregon. If you are out of state you can go to any Urgent Care or ER for minimal co-pay. It does provide the Gym Membership (which was great before Covid) but other care such as dental etc are additional monthly fees for insurance. I do not get the extra plans. You are doing a great disservice to your listeners by promoting For profit insurance companies. You actually lied on the air several times on Friday and I am calling you out on it. Do better investigation.

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stopgap 2 years 6 hours ago

At first, I thought the possibility that Trump faking his Covid infection was just dumbass conspiracy talk. Now, not so sure. The more I see, the more I have my doubts. As Michael Moore says, after 25,000 lies there is no reason to believe anything coming from Trump or his administration. And Dr. Sean O’Hannity Conley was not very convincing either and seemed uncomfortable and testy, giving his report.

Not sure what would be the reason for Trump faking his positive Covid-19 infection, but both Boris Johnson and Jair Bolsonaro became more popular after recovering from Covid-19. Bottomline, never believe anything Trump says. Be skeptical!

Legend 2 years 3 hours ago

As usual with Trump you cannot trust anything that you hear. His so called Doctor (a DO, not a MD with no covid experience) says he is doing great. His ChIef of Staff says he is not doing so great. Anyway, I thought it took several days to a few weeks to really show the extent of the virus. I am also curious how many that were exposed will test positive. 87 year old Chuck GrasslEy R-IA refuses to be tested although exposed. Jim Jordan R-OH is Quarantining after exposure. 3 MN R Congressmen were exposed, and knowing this flew from DC to MN on Delta, breaking rules against flying after exposure. This is a very small partial list. REPUBLICANS ARE SUPER SPREADERS!

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deepspace 2 years 2 hours ago

Right on.

Ha! Dr. Sean O'hannity Conley -- these Trumpian bastards are giving us with Irish heritage a bad look. Their genes are surely degraded by riding shrieking banshees all night in their fever dreams after getting thoroughly rubbered.

His weasel words on Sunday after being called out for his weasel words on Saturday: “I was trying to reflect the upbeat attitude that the team, the president over the course of his illness, has had. I didn’t want to give any information that might steer the course of illness in another direction, and in doing so, you know, it came off that we were trying to hide something, which wasn’t necessarily true,” Conley said.

Wait... what?!

And this: Trump continues to ‘improve’ in coronavirus battle, could be discharged Monday. Brilliant! Unleash the super-spreader!

Although it appears he did actually contract the disease, Michael Moore is right; at this point, how in the hell could anyone correctly surmise the truth of anything coming from this administration or, for that matter, from any other politician with an "R" behind his or her name.

If he was going for the sympathy vote, it clearly ain't working. His raving lunatics are still in denial -- smearing their bodies with feces and aimlessly wandering the streets like a zombie herd -- are still failing to recognize simple reality, are still so far gone as to render their "thoughts and prayers" just more schizoid gibberish. The braindead are void of normal human emotions -- sympathy and empathy not even registering on the scale.

And, as expected, most everyone else has no sympathy whatsoever for this mass murderer either, other than a perfunctory, "May he have a speedy recovery." I suspect that most fair-minded Americans, and no doubt the rest of the world, just want him healthy enough to face the consequences of his own actions: landslide election rout, bankruptcy, and serious jail time. Ditto for Don Jr, Eric, and Ivanka, et al.

Naturally, on a human level, one wants to feel empathy, but with hundreds of thousands of squandered lives and millions suffering due to Trump & Friends' deliberate criminal negligence, that is pretty much taken off the table. After all, other than neo-nazis and white supremacists, I suppose -- you know, Trump supporters -- who else has much sympathy for Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin or Saddam Hussein or Bashar al-Assad or Vladimir Putin or (name your favorite murderous tyrant)?

Beyond the number-one question of when or if this COVID-19 nightmare will ever end, the other glaring question is when or if any real justice will ever be meted out.

Can we still laugh and be disgusted at the same time: SNL; Jimmy Kimmel

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SueN 2 years 2 hours ago

Here's a picture of who was infected. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2020/10/3/445b363e-f50c-41b4-ad9a-f7ea84b99dd2.png

Jenkins thought he got it back at Notre Dame. I think Kellyanne Conway said a family member got it.

Hicks might have been infectious as early as Monday.

Trump (+ve), Hope Hicks (+ve), Bill Stepien (+ve), Kellyanne Conway (+ve), Chris Christie (+ve), Jared Kushner, Rudy Giuliani, Jason Miller and Stephen Miller attended a debate prep session at the White House on Monday.

I've been keeping track over at https://www.thomhartmann.com/covid-19

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avn013 1 year 52 weeks ago

Over here i heard that the coronavirus caught Trump. Hopefuly,the virus will lose at the end.

An all inclusive society should be able to accommodate all its "children" for better, for worse, for poorer, for richer and no matter whom they support, since the "day after" the more united a society is, the easier, the richer and the more interesting things can get. In contrast the more identical the members of a society strive to be, the less stable and less genius it becomes.

@deepspace. If not empathy, at least show mercy. Give them chances (one is seldom enough....) to find out.

Xfilerose 1 year 52 weeks ago

I’ll concede that Mr. “I can’t believe he just called me a clown on national television” actually has or had the virus when they carry him out in a casket. Otherwise, this is simply another reality show and no more than a cheap blasphemous mockery of the three day assentation. The boy has “cried wolf” too many times, one of the evidences of the indigenous defects in his soul. America is a safer place with him incarcerated.

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stopgap 1 year 52 weeks ago

All right Mr. Deepspace “Radar” O’Riley, I have to ask…is Jeff Sessions a real leprechaun? Or is that just another Qanon conspiracy theory? Enquiring minds want to know!

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Riverplunge 1 year 52 weeks ago

If National Geographic is smart. They will dissolve the company if Reefer Maddog starts controlling it. That way, National Geographic will retain their integrity and honesty. And then, reform another company. Even if they don't have much money left.

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YOHAN CHU 1 year 52 weeks ago

To understand Trump, you need to change how you analyze Trump. Here is how I analyze it:

He always tell/confess his mistakes, faults, and sins with one catch: put somebody's else name on top of his name. This way, it sounds innocent to him. He learned this from his dad (Fred) and Roy Cohn. Remember what Trump said: I don't take responsibility. This statement is really attractive for "right-wing" people just like the bible where New Testament gives them the belief that all of their wrong doings or their sins are paid off or somebody else's responsibility to take those punishments. While this is happening, they are indoctrinating their followers by exercising idolatry by sketching/preaching "white" Jesus with light skin with light brown hair while it clearly states that Jesus (it is actually Iesus) had dark (jasper) skin. His head and his hairs were white like wool (kinky), as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire and his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. Since white people don't like to follow rules or their traditions because it feels like their freedom is taken way, they (white people) had to create Freedom of Religion to exercise their ignorance (fake freedom). Not only that, they (whites) get irritated and feel uncomfortable whenever they get criticized/challenged of their beliefs and continues exercise/practice their ignorance. At the end, it becomes a cult.

Now, we know that Trump tested positive and Biden tested negative after Trump want Biden to take the test for Coronavirus. And Trump is not in quarantine. Is this mean he is "down playing his Coronavirus results" to exercise his whiteness (being ignorant). Why? this is another form of "voter suppression" to win this election (just like 100 years ago with Spanish Flu Pandemic). That's why many "white" people don't wear masks/face-coverings so that they can bring and spread this contagious virus to outside of their community/neighborhood. This way, they can become and form and keep their majority by achieving above 60% of this country's population (Birth Dearth: Ben J. Wattenberg 1987) (Ben J. Wattenberg is former member of American Enterprise Institute).

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deepspace 1 year 52 weeks ago

@avn013: At least (70% plus) 150,000 of the now 215,000 COVID dead are homicides due to "bigly" criminal negligence. Not executing him is showing mercy. But I catch your drift, man.

@stopgap: Lol. Naw, Lil' Jeffy is still way too tall, and the Irish would have disowned him anyway just for being a wee ballbag gobshite, of Unionist blood no doubt. Here's a Radar O'Reilly face mask, one of the greats. You're welcome...};--))

@ Riverplunge: Agreed. What a sorry ending for a once-great magazine that was first published in 1888. Reefer Maddog should be stripped of United States citizenship.

@Yohan Chu: Christianity, as practiced by white nationalists, is by definition a false religion.

Legend 1 year 52 weeks ago

The drugs being used on Trump indicate a severe case of Covid-19. Drugs that are used as a last resort. But Trump then goes on a motorcade in a Suburban, thus exposing the others in the vehicle. Tomorrow he will probably go play golf.

The Supreme Spreader.

I wonder how many cases are being kept quite. People like Barr are Qaurantining, that were refusing before. 87 year old Grassley is refusing to be tested. Jim Jordan is Quarantined. etc.

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deepspace 1 year 52 weeks ago


"The United States presidential line of succession is the order in which officials of the United States federal government assume the powers and duties of the office of president of the United States if the incumbent president becomes incapacitated, dies, resigns, or is removed from office. The order of succession specifies that the office passes to the vice president; if the vice presidency is simultaneously vacant, or if the vice president is also incapacitated, the powers and duties of the presidency pass to the speaker of the House of Representatives..."

Nancy Pelosi? Yes!

Now, if Trump becomes "incapacitated, dies, resigns, or is removed from office," God forbid, and if Pence contracts the virus while out on the maskless campaign trail for Trump (instead of protecting the government in DC -- "Russia, are you listening?") and also becomes incapacitated for the duration, God forbid, and if their much-touted "army of lawyers" could be laid out on the ocean floor head to toe from here to Europe, well then, that wouldn't be such a bad thing, would it?

Hey, gotta game out all the scenarios, since this might be the closet the United States has ever come to such a remote possibility. Having pondered this alternate, tantalizing future-history, I would still wish all said Republican reprobates a speedy recovery ...after January 20, 2021!

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vetinla 1 year 51 weeks ago

OK, so now, IT's, back at the White House. More effing' theater. It never ends.

IMO the U$A deserves this CLOWN, and it's minions.....

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"Right through the worst of the Bush years and into the present, Thom Hartmann has been one of the very few voices constantly willing to tell the truth. Rank him up there with Jon Stewart, Bill Moyers, and Paul Krugman for having the sheer persistent courage of his convictions."
Bill McKibben, author of Eaarth