How Can America Prevent Republicans From Stealing the 2024 Election & Installing a Fascist?

Thom plus logo Republican threats to have individual states choose electors for Donald Trump even though their citizens voted for Joe Biden are not about this election; they're about putting a fascist in the White House in 2024.

And the reason Republican elected officials across the country are letting this drag out, even though they know Trump has no chance because Biden's margin of victory is so large, is to see how far they can push this in anticipation of 2024. This is a test.

The next election will not feature a failed, indebted businessman buffoon at the top of the Republican ticket; instead, it will almost certainly be a very competent neofascist, someone like Tom Cotton or Ted Cruz.

And their strategy to put him in power won't be to win the majority of the votes: it will be to take the electoral college, either outright or through Republican-controlled state legislatures simply making it happen.

Thus, America is at a crossroads. Either we believe in "majority rule" democracy or we don't. And for America to achieve actual full democracy, we must eliminate the electoral college as soon as possible.

Al Gore won the majority of the national vote. Hillary Clinton won the majority of the national vote. Neither became president because of the electoral college: the last first-time Republican presidential candidate won the national vote was 1988.

This year Joe Biden won the national vote in America, and right now Trump and the Republicans are saying he shouldn't be president because of that same electoral college loophole.

The electoral college was put into place in 1789 because, as Alexander Hamilton pointed out in Federalist 68, in a geographically huge country it was very difficult at that time for voters to know the true nature of candidates.

Thus, Hamilton said, "Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him ...[as] President of the United States."

Thus, he said, states must appoint "wise elders" to go to Washington DC, meet the candidates, and either vote for the candidate their state had selected or, if he was a "drunkard or a person of low morals," they could choose somebody else. By the 1850s, the electoral college was already obsolete. We had the pony express and railroads were starting to transport news; the first national newspapers were emerging.

But today, Republicans are doing everything they can to cement and hold antidemocratic minority rule. Democrats in the United States Senate represent 15 million more people than Republicans, but the GOP controls the Senate. George W. Bush and Donald Trump became president, even though they both lost the national vote.

If democrats don't make getting rid of the electoral college their top priority, and soon, the threat of fascistic rule will once again overshadow America.



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Riverplunge 3 years 32 weeks ago

If you think that Don is stupid, you are wrong. He is an evil genius. He's light-years away from any Democrat in destructive measures and planning. He's even has the guts to install a minion in the Pentagon for "crowd control" which can be used next time to "silence" any dissension. OH, HE KNOWS HOW TO INSTALL SLEEPERS, with surgical precision!

He just pretends to be a buffoon. That's his magician "slide of hand".. It continually works on Democrats, who are so blind, that they can't even figure out why Republicans are so silent. Republicans already KNOW the future!

A mere two years down the road, and, whammo! The "silent" Republicans continue with their destruction.

The Reason Why?

Biden will be hamstrung. And having no power, ONCE AGAIN a Democrat will be villified as another "do nothing" President - He can't have a new cabinet, pass any good bills in the static Senate, and change a skewed court system.

Biden is only a 2 year pause before the sledge hammer comes down to erupt a perfect storm of money, mayhem, and lies. And the country we knew, dies. We could not implement any countermeasures. I personally don't see anything left to stop the tsunami.

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RepubliCult 3 years 32 weeks ago

Things to keep in mind as 2024 approaches. "The National Popular Vote" pact among states, while closing in on 270 electoral votes, will have vulnerabilities: If there is a party change in leaderhip and legislature in a state having signed the pact, the pact allows them to withdraw within 6 months before the next President is sworn in. If a state were to withdraw after that 6 month deadline, for example 1 month before the November election, this will become a court matter, which appears to be stacked against Democrats. Most concerning would be SCOTUS intervening in a dispute any where/time to help a Republican nominee by voiding the agreement. There is nothing to restrain them! Another factor will be the 2020 census impact on reapportionment. ... The experiment in democracy keeps failing, the "framers" made it so difficult to change, and at some point the failure will be the last.

Old Dave 3 years 32 weeks ago

Whether it's dealing with the electoral college, (or equal rights, civil rights, climate change, gun control, etc.) as long as the oligarchs (and the lesser factions) can control our elected officials, we will not be able to have a government that meets its purpose.

Our Founding Fathers spent a great deal of time in developing and implementing our government, using the best plan and solutions that they had in the 18th Century. It's reasonable to assume that they would expect a 21st Century America would employ the best methods we have available now. That would mean, first establishing a common purpose for our government, and lucky for us, that was already done in the Preamble. Second, we need a method to measure how well our government is meeting its purpose, and third, if it falls short of its purpose, identify the root cause and create a strategy to eliminate that which is ruining our nation.

In Thom Hartmann's latest book The Hidden History of Monopolies: How Big Business Destroyed the American Dream, he shared this stark assessment of what we're dealing:

“There are movements to get money out of politics (such as Move to Amend, among others) but the flow of money into our politics has dampened any serious discussion from our corporate media and bought-off political leaders.

So long as corporations are considered “persons” that can spend unlimited amounts of money in our politics, the monopolists will continue to flood our legislatures with corrupting money.”

There is only one proven way to deal with governments that do things adverse to our rights and the interests of our communities, and that is with persistent nonviolent resistence. We have lots of grievances that need to be redressed, and we just need a critical mass of our citizens to unite with our free press in order to compel our elected officials to meet their purpose. How hard is that?

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alis volat 3 years 32 weeks ago

Things will change as the generations die off. It is that simple. Now that a portion of the people can work from home, there will be more movement to the red states. That's what happened in Arizona and Georgia. I think North Carolina is a possibility eventually. Michigan and Wisconsin came back to reality.

As for the f-ing electoral college, we know their names and where they live. This is the 21st Century. How brave or brazen do you think they are willing to be even if they are hand picked? Harm comes in so many different forms these days, and it is obvious the left is going to fight back. Obviously, we need to try to abolish it.

I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't understand that Trump is a sociopath, and that he is far from intelligent. He is disorganized and has the attention span of a gnat. Just remember a good portion of his 70 million votes had to do with someone's racism, pocketbook or religion. Forget those in his cult, and let's try to educate the ones that are reachable. He really screwed-up the Republican Party and exposed the scum. I am proud of the media that continues to take him and his administration to task. Thanks Thom.

Don't let your imagination or intellect get stuck in the past. The modern world will triumph. We are building the future.

Legend 3 years 32 weeks ago

The Lincoln Project has a lot of good things to say about the current state of the Republican Party. You have to remember that they are Republicans. Republicans from the old school. The John McCain type. But they are aghast at what has happened to the Republican Party. Colorado elected Lauren Boebert to Congress from the 3rd district (Western Colorado). She is famous for carrying a gun on her hip and her beliefs in Qanon. She defeated her opponent by claiming that she was a socialist, using the fact that her opponent has a PHD in Sociology. This is what our country has come to.

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rofo47 3 years 32 weeks ago

The only way to truly eliminate the Electoral College would be a Constitutional amendment. Because of the overwhelming number of votes needed, it would be next to impossible. The GOP would never go for it because they know that would be the end for them. Am I wrong?

Legend 3 years 32 weeks ago

To Rofo47, You are correct. Just like Statehood for DC (voted 93% for Biden, by far the highest) is impossible. DC has a population larger than Vermont or Wyoming but has no Senators or voting Congressional Representative. Puerto Rico is the 31st largest if it was a state at 3.2 million. They are US citizens but cannot vote and have no representation. Both deserve statehood. It takes 22 or the smaller states to add up to the population of California. They get 44 Senators, California gets 2.

Legend 3 years 32 weeks ago

A friend sent me this. I thought it was well written. You can look up the author on Wikipedia:

“Dear White Evangelicals,
I need to tell you something: People have had it with you.
They’re done.
They want nothing to do with you any longer, and here’s why:
They see your hypocrisy, your inconsistency, your incredibly selective mercy, and your thinly veiled supremacy.
For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity.
They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence. They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him.
And through it all, White Evangelicals—you never once suggested that God placed him where he was,
you never publicly offered prayers for him and his family,
you never welcomed him to your Christian Universities,
you never gave him the benefit of the doubt in any instance,
you never spoke of offering him forgiveness or mercy,
your evangelists never publicly thanked God for his leadership,
your pastors never took to the pulpit to offer solidarity with him,
you never made any effort to affirm his humanity or show the love of Jesus to him in any quantifiable measure.
You violently opposed him at every single turn—without offering a single ounce of the grace you claim as the heart of your faith tradition. You jettisoned Jesus as you dispensed damnation on him.
And yet you give carte blanche to a white Republican man so riddled with depravity, so littered with extramarital affairs, so unapologetically vile, with such a vast resume of moral filth—that the mind boggles.
And the change in you is unmistakable. It has been an astonishing conversion to behold: a being born again.
With him, you suddenly find religion.
With him, you’re now willing to offer full absolution.
With him, all is forgiven without repentance or admission.
With him you’re suddenly able to see some invisible, deeply buried heart.
With him, sin has become unimportant, compassion no longer a requirement.
With him, you see only Providence.
And White Evangelicals, all those people who have had it with you—they see it all clearly.
They recognize the toxic source of your inconsistency.
They see that pigmentation and party are your sole deities.
They see that you aren’t interested in perpetuating the love of God or emulating the heart of Jesus.
They see that you aren’t burdened to love the least, or to be agents of compassion, or to care for your Muslim, gay, African, female, or poor neighbors as yourself.
They see that all you’re really interested in doing, is making a God in your own ivory image and demanding that the world bow down to it.
They recognize this all about white, Republican Jesus—not dark-skinned Jesus of Nazareth.
And I know you don’t realize it, but you’re digging your own grave in these days; the grave of your very faith tradition.
Your willingness to align yourself with cruelty is a costly marriage. Yes, you’ve gained a Supreme Court seat, a few months with the Presidency as a mouthpiece, and the cheap high of temporary power—but you’ve lost a whole lot more.
You’ve lost an audience with millions of wise, decent, good-hearted, faithful people with eyes to see this ugliness.
You’ve lost any moral high ground or spiritual authority with a generation.
You’ve lost any semblance of Christlikeness.
You’ve lost the plot.
And most of all you’ve lost your soul.
I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you.
But I had to at least try to reach you. It’s what Jesus would do.”
-John Pavlovitz

Then there is this:

Legend 3 years 32 weeks ago

I tried to write an email to my lame duck Republican Senator Cory Gardner today, through his website. I wanted to suggest that he concede to John Hickenlooper and that he congratulate Joe Biden on his win. He has removed the Contact Cory function from his website. They work for us until January 3rd with no way to contact them. Glad that we voted him out.

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deepspace 3 years 32 weeks ago

Thanks for sharing your friend's insights, Legend. It is well written. Scary stuff. Paula White in the link sounds severely mentally ill. What's the difference between a lunatic raving from a pulpit or from a mental ward? Answer: the number of people who take a fool seriously.

After all that our nation has endured in its tumultuous history, the irony is thick and truly startling that we now find ourselves at this deadly intersection of "religion" (more like mass psychosis) and politics, where nearly half of the electorate voted to murder democracy and establish an authoritarian theocracy/plutocracy, in the name of the false gods before them.

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avn013 3 years 32 weeks ago

Murdering democracy is nothing new. Rome did it. Athens applied it on Socrates etc etc. Religion is often crucified as well. Perhaps one more reason not to mix the two.

"Render to Civilization (Sciences&Arts) the things that are Civilization's; and to God the things that are God's."

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vetinla 3 years 31 weeks ago

On Thom's show today ( 11/17/20), the term Socialism was discussed. Another chance to mention the words MIXED ECONOMY, which of course never came up. Mixed economies are the driving force of all the first world nations, and the perfect come back for anyone accused of being a full on Socialist, the handle pinned on the Biden/Harris folks by the Republican hacks.

This nation, by the way, is a mixed economy.

Grab a clue please...

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