off this subject but worth mentioning (again) I just recently saw a PBS special called:
blue gold: world water wars.
and i was terrified and baffeled. to think that someone could make money because they owned the water below me on my own land or that the world bank is forcing 3rd world countries into privitizing water in exchange for debt forgiveness!! jeeesh. its daunting to think of the rising costs of such a basic necessity.
You, of all people, know the power of words and this simple statement puts your whole post in a negative frame. You have been more and more negative of this administration as time goes on.
We need all of the help we can get out here in the real world. Jobs are jobs. And even if they will take a few months to materialize, they will help us!
I was with a business that manufactured equipment when Bush had the tax credit for new equipment purchases. We sold allot of equipment in the last quarter of that year.
The R&D tax credit is a very good thing that will translate into manufacturing jobs in America.
You, of all people, should be praising this move.
I am personally very glad to see it as it will benefit me directly. And I am not afraid to say I need the money.
On one hand, the stimulus through infrastructure is something this country will need for decades with over a trillion dollars of infrastructure in disrepair and heading for condemnation within the next decade. On the other hand, if the write-off is not restricted to investment within the US the perfectly accelerated depreciation write-off for business will just be stimulus for the Far East and the Latin American countries forced to knuckle under like Honduras. And I agree with Redlocks that we have needed a serious green initiative for decades. Energy independence is required for national security and ARRRGH there are many free energy solutions available to break the back of the oil cartel. well, we will see how the stimulus shakes out if it passes...
On the gripping hand, there is nothing better that Obama can do in this mid-term election season. The very attempt to pass Progressive legislation is really a win-win - the Dems can pass this and it's all budgetary so they can use reconciliation AND maybe this time the Dems can actually show the country the Republicant obstructionism when it really counts - just before the mid-term election.
I only found data leading up to 2005 but the US had been a net food exporter for 50 years up to that point, and the only reason that we were about to become (based on 2004 article and data) a net food importer (in $ not tonnage) was because American tastes were trending towards more exotic foods, wines, and beers. So ultimately if oil goes higher we would be able to import less safron and wine, but by no means would our food supply be at risk.
Actually the law of supply and demand is what tells us not capitalism, and I am sure that price elasticity has something to do with it. When prices do get "too high" (whatever that is, and will vary from individual to individual) either people will be forced to consume less and/or will seek alternatives. I am not really sure what the BP spill comment has to do with economics of peak oil......my guess is this is just more or less of a talking point of some sort to show that capitalism = evil, as if centrally planned economies don't have their own issues....like Chernobyl.
I know these posts can appear legit (like some of the guests you have), but an analysis of the overall message shows it is only politically advantageous to Conservatives in their current position. Its subtle, and confronting it from your position is not a pleasant affair but keep at it.
P.S. now just the first post here is referenced, as since I posted a few other posts appear 'before' mine.
Actually, i think Afghans USED to be rugs and dogs, but the US press deemed them to be the citizens of Afghanistan. Just like the US press determined the 20th Century would be our one and only 99-year century.
DRichards, I think Thom does his best to call out the BS of Trickle Down economics. Republicans aren't interested in rationality and logic, they figure if they repeat the lie enough, more and more people will fall for it... unfortunately they're correct.
Conservatives like Horowitz are forever complaining, "the press is too liberal," "the TV news is too liberal" and "the universities are too liberal." At the bottom of all these complaints is the truth that the objective facts of our daily existence do not agree with their rightwing ideology. Their problem is that reality itself is too liberal for them.
Perhaps it's because they don't vote against their own best self interest; such as working class stiffs identifying and voting for what benefits billionaires that makes them appear to be smarter ;)
Thom, I attended four institutes of higher learning: a college, a junior college, and two universities, spread across this country.
No one EVER tried to "convert" me into being a Liberal (I told people I was a Conservative Republican, and thought I was).
It was becoming EDUCATED that I started paying attention, and became a Democrat on my own. I didn't start calling myself "Liberal" until after George W. Bush's coronation.
Thom and others need to call these people out; where is the proof? After eight plus years of Bush tax breaks, If the economy isn't booming, and unemployment nil, then it is a falsehood (lie) to say that tax breaks for billionaires stimulates the economy and creates jobs.
Why is the media covering "Pastor" Terry Jones? Ignore him and his 50-80 followers. Let him self promote and see how many people show up. No, the media will provide a platform for him so he can expand his hatred to a wider audience. Then, the media will hype up violence in the Muslim community. This is a case of the media dictating the news instead of reporting it.
DRichards, who needs proof, that's silly. Your using logic and rationality, not your gut, you got to go with your gut... so long as your gut supports the Corporate Line.
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off this subject but worth mentioning (again) I just recently saw a PBS special called:
blue gold: world water wars.
and i was terrified and baffeled. to think that someone could make money because they owned the water below me on my own land or that the world bank is forcing 3rd world countries into privitizing water in exchange for debt forgiveness!! jeeesh. its daunting to think of the rising costs of such a basic necessity.
---------in a give-a-way to business------???
Thom,
You, of all people, know the power of words and this simple statement puts your whole post in a negative frame. You have been more and more negative of this administration as time goes on.
We need all of the help we can get out here in the real world. Jobs are jobs. And even if they will take a few months to materialize, they will help us!
I was with a business that manufactured equipment when Bush had the tax credit for new equipment purchases. We sold allot of equipment in the last quarter of that year.
The R&D tax credit is a very good thing that will translate into manufacturing jobs in America.
You, of all people, should be praising this move.
I am personally very glad to see it as it will benefit me directly. And I am not afraid to say I need the money.
On one hand, the stimulus through infrastructure is something this country will need for decades with over a trillion dollars of infrastructure in disrepair and heading for condemnation within the next decade. On the other hand, if the write-off is not restricted to investment within the US the perfectly accelerated depreciation write-off for business will just be stimulus for the Far East and the Latin American countries forced to knuckle under like Honduras. And I agree with Redlocks that we have needed a serious green initiative for decades. Energy independence is required for national security and ARRRGH there are many free energy solutions available to break the back of the oil cartel. well, we will see how the stimulus shakes out if it passes...
On the gripping hand, there is nothing better that Obama can do in this mid-term election season. The very attempt to pass Progressive legislation is really a win-win - the Dems can pass this and it's all budgetary so they can use reconciliation AND maybe this time the Dems can actually show the country the Republicant obstructionism when it really counts - just before the mid-term election.
I only found data leading up to 2005 but the US had been a net food exporter for 50 years up to that point, and the only reason that we were about to become (based on 2004 article and data) a net food importer (in $ not tonnage) was because American tastes were trending towards more exotic foods, wines, and beers. So ultimately if oil goes higher we would be able to import less safron and wine, but by no means would our food supply be at risk.
Actually the law of supply and demand is what tells us not capitalism, and I am sure that price elasticity has something to do with it. When prices do get "too high" (whatever that is, and will vary from individual to individual) either people will be forced to consume less and/or will seek alternatives. I am not really sure what the BP spill comment has to do with economics of peak oil......my guess is this is just more or less of a talking point of some sort to show that capitalism = evil, as if centrally planned economies don't have their own issues....like Chernobyl.
Like the Supreme Court
Dancing Bear
Re# 23
It's called "working the Ref".
One constantly yells at the sports referee over the calls they make, eventually the ref gets intimidated and starts making the calls in their favor.
I don';t mind a naked bike ride, as long as its promoting the Epilady!
Re: Inflation
It's built into the "system" to keeps us all slaves to being in debt.
www.zeitgeistmovie.com
I was going to ask you what it will be, but then it wouldn't be a surprise. Can you give us a hint?
Hi Thom,
I know these posts can appear legit (like some of the guests you have), but an analysis of the overall message shows it is only politically advantageous to Conservatives in their current position. Its subtle, and confronting it from your position is not a pleasant affair but keep at it.
P.S. now just the first post here is referenced, as since I posted a few other posts appear 'before' mine.
Actually, i think Afghans USED to be rugs and dogs, but the US press deemed them to be the citizens of Afghanistan. Just like the US press determined the 20th Century would be our one and only 99-year century.
Great Bumper-Sticker Idea!
This caller reveals the core republican stratagey; "Convince Democrats its hopeless, and to stay home."
Stay Vigilant!
DRichards, I think Thom does his best to call out the BS of Trickle Down economics. Republicans aren't interested in rationality and logic, they figure if they repeat the lie enough, more and more people will fall for it... unfortunately they're correct.
N
President Truman said it well: GOP means Guardians Of Privilege.
Conservatives like Horowitz are forever complaining, "the press is too liberal," "the TV news is too liberal" and "the universities are too liberal." At the bottom of all these complaints is the truth that the objective facts of our daily existence do not agree with their rightwing ideology. Their problem is that reality itself is too liberal for them.
DB
Re: Are Liberals smarter?
Perhaps it's because they don't vote against their own best self interest; such as working class stiffs identifying and voting for what benefits billionaires that makes them appear to be smarter ;)
Dont Worry 0x,
The October Suprise is comming!
No one "converted" me. -------------
Thom, I attended four institutes of higher learning: a college, a junior college, and two universities, spread across this country.
No one EVER tried to "convert" me into being a Liberal (I told people I was a Conservative Republican, and thought I was).
It was becoming EDUCATED that I started paying attention, and became a Democrat on my own. I didn't start calling myself "Liberal" until after George W. Bush's coronation.
Maxrot
Thom and others need to call these people out; where is the proof? After eight plus years of Bush tax breaks, If the economy isn't booming, and unemployment nil, then it is a falsehood (lie) to say that tax breaks for billionaires stimulates the economy and creates jobs.
How much do economics professors at the Chicago School of Business make? Look what their free-market quakery has accomplished.
Why is the media covering "Pastor" Terry Jones? Ignore him and his 50-80 followers. Let him self promote and see how many people show up. No, the media will provide a platform for him so he can expand his hatred to a wider audience. Then, the media will hype up violence in the Muslim community. This is a case of the media dictating the news instead of reporting it.
We have nincompoops everywhere else. Why not in colleges?
DRichards, who needs proof, that's silly. Your using logic and rationality, not your gut, you got to go with your gut... so long as your gut supports the Corporate Line.
N