@Thom - why don't you have this guys "Thom Hartmann" on as a guest to talk about how to use language to shape the conversation? He's written a lot of books and is not bad on radio. We could use a weekly NLP lesson.
KMH, how do I answer your question? NO ONE SHOULD BE DENIED AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE. I do not see America as a Christian nation. We are more of a KKKhristian nation. I am more interested in America embracing the Golden Rule. But, our nation is too entrenched with hate, corruption, and lies.
It is interesting that Thom used a quote from Alice Walker, since Walker and her own daughter (from a white father) are estranged because the latter doesn't share Walker's intense antipathy toward black men, a common feature in her novels--which I see as promoting racism in its own way. However, I am glad that Thom took the time to address one of the basic foundations of right-wing "movements"--racism--since at least the time of the nativist Know-Nothing Party in the mid 19th century.
Considering that many people in Congress on both sides of the aisle have their PENSIONS and PERSONAL INVESTMENTS tied up in Health Care Companies or Big Pharma companies.... tell me why please;
WHY IS IT NOT CONSIDERED A CONFLICT OF INTEREST that these people will not give us PUBLIC HEALTH CARE which is my name for Public Option.
Why? Isn't it obvious they're protecting their own pockets? Why should they NOT BE MADE TO JETTISON THAT STOCK before sitting on such a decision?
Even a bill with a public option would still be a bonanza for the for-profit insurance industry, especially a public option limited to those who are not currently covered.
Support the “Sidewalk Summit for Medicare for All” outside Blair House on Thurs.
I love Thom, but he's a typical Liberal who wears democracy on his sleeve, yet seemingly supports an anti-democratic system.
Today he was saying he was in favor of "democracy" in the Senate as if 51% of votes in the Senate was “democratic”. In reality because the Senate represents states not people, that 51% majority can represent as little as 18% of the US population.
Here are some other numbers. Depending on the stars line up the following is possible:
Senators representing a mere 11% of the population can block any legislation in the Senate using the filibuster.
Senators representing a mere 24% of the population can break any filibuster.
Senators representing about 30% of the population can ratify treaties.
If Thom TRULY believed in democracy he’d be calling for sweeping reforms of ALL anti-democratic features of our Constitution… the Senate, the EC, the amendment process, and judicial and treaty ratification.
Reforming the Senate is improbable given the reform-proof nature of our Constitution. But perhaps there’s a back door… using Senate rules to weight the vote of any senator to ½ of the population of their state. Read more here: http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/2010/02/reforming-anti-democrati...
Of course this would do nothing to bring other needed reforms to our system… such as proportional representation that could break up our dysfunctional if not braindead two-party system. As a Progressive I can vote FOREVER and never be represented for my beliefs in Washington.
The only way the public option will make it past this DLC ran White House is for two-thirds of the house and Senate to override President Obama’s veto.
Thom missed the point badly with Mark Williams, the tea party talk show host when they were arguing CEO compensation. The fact is, the investor class would agree with Mr. Williams when it comes to CEO compensation...they're getting rich also, and how many people are we talking about?...90 million? And what's so awful about bigotry, lies, and distortions if it's helping you get richer?
THOM ARE YOU AFRAID TO BRING THIS ANGLE INTO DISCUSSION(for fear of alienating your listeners who are stockholders?)
the Conservative movement seems to have taken a bath in S. I. Hayakawa's "Language in Thought and Action". Ideas & politics that have never served the people of the country are packaged and sold with relative ease to the media without real debate or scrutiny.
The current MeMe of "the people have spoken" ( in relation to Health Care ), never mentions the fact of how much money is spent to lobby the public's opinion.
The Brown victory in MA is a blessing in disguise for the Democrats if they take a deep breath and make sure that a REAL public option is included in the 'health care' bill they pass through reconciliation. The individual mandate that requires ALL of us to purchase insurance will energize the right wing-nut opposition and without the public option the Democratic base will be disgusted and demoralized. Also, independent voters will have a hard time getting around the fact that the Democrats have forced them to pay into an out of control, vampiric system The Democrats will get shellacked in 2010 if they pass an individual mandate to purchase insurance without a public option so we can escape the current system that makes outlandish profits on peoples' suffering.
Bernanke offers concessions to quell Congress' criticism of Fed
By Neil Irwin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 24, 2010; 12:06 PM
Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke launched a wide-ranging effort Wednesday to fend off congressional efforts to take powers away from the central bank, laying out a series of compromises and olive branches meant to defuse lawmakers' criticism.
Testifying before the House Financial Services Committee, Bernanke said he will support legislation to disclose the names of companies that take advantage of special Fed lending programs, so long as enough time has passed since the loan request to avoid stigmatizing the borrowing firm. He also said he will support legislation to expand congressional oversight of many Fed functions, if its power to manage monetary policy is exempted.
"In short," Young said, "this proposal is an insurance company bonanza, not good, evidence-based health reform. The president would do better by abandoning the insurance and drug companies and instead taking up the single-payer approach." His group has estimated that such an approach could save hundreds of billions of dollars annually by simplifying health administration.
"By building on and improving the already popular Medicare program, we could put our patients' interests first," he said. "Were President Obama to do so, he would meet with strong public support, including from the medical community."
Although the physicians' group requested an invitation to Thursday's summit at Blair House, no reply from the White House has been forthcoming, Young said. Similarly, requests from Reps. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, Anthony Weiner of New York and Peter Welch of Vermont that single-payer advocates be included in the meeting have apparently gone unanswered.
Outside the Blair House on Thursday, a grassroots "Sidewalk Summit for Medicare for All" will underscore popular support for the measure.
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A senate with 2 senators per state regardless of population will never lead to true democracy.
You know one of the most annoying sound bites, to me, that the cons and baggers use is the term "ObamaCare". I'm not overly in love with the Democratic capitulations to the corporations with their bill, but...
Frankly I'd rather have "ObamaCare" than the righties "We Don't Care"
Good on ya for asking that the Fox News channel be changed at a coffee shop. I've done the same thing (at a hospital ER waiting area.) You are right --- it just foments hysteria, hate and anxiety in our population.
I haven't read the Bible lately, but eunuchs were often powerful individuals in antiquity, since rulers did not view them as potential threats to their throne, and employed them in important positions. Many men who sought powerful positions in government would accept castration for this purpose.
@Craig Reid - good point about NLP
@Thom - why don't you have this guys "Thom Hartmann" on as a guest to talk about how to use language to shape the conversation? He's written a lot of books and is not bad on radio. We could use a weekly NLP lesson.
KMH, how do I answer your question? NO ONE SHOULD BE DENIED AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE. I do not see America as a Christian nation. We are more of a KKKhristian nation. I am more interested in America embracing the Golden Rule. But, our nation is too entrenched with hate, corruption, and lies.
It is interesting that Thom used a quote from Alice Walker, since Walker and her own daughter (from a white father) are estranged because the latter doesn't share Walker's intense antipathy toward black men, a common feature in her novels--which I see as promoting racism in its own way. However, I am glad that Thom took the time to address one of the basic foundations of right-wing "movements"--racism--since at least the time of the nativist Know-Nothing Party in the mid 19th century.
Why have we not heard of Ben Salmon?
http://ncronline.org/blogs/road-peace/ben-salmon-and-army-peace
Considering that many people in Congress on both sides of the aisle have their PENSIONS and PERSONAL INVESTMENTS tied up in Health Care Companies or Big Pharma companies.... tell me why please;
WHY IS IT NOT CONSIDERED A CONFLICT OF INTEREST that these people will not give us PUBLIC HEALTH CARE which is my name for Public Option.
Why? Isn't it obvious they're protecting their own pockets? Why should they NOT BE MADE TO JETTISON THAT STOCK before sitting on such a decision?
Can we discuss this please?
Even a bill with a public option would still be a bonanza for the for-profit insurance industry, especially a public option limited to those who are not currently covered.
Support the “Sidewalk Summit for Medicare for All” outside Blair House on Thurs.
I love Thom, but he's a typical Liberal who wears democracy on his sleeve, yet seemingly supports an anti-democratic system.
Today he was saying he was in favor of "democracy" in the Senate as if 51% of votes in the Senate was “democratic”. In reality because the Senate represents states not people, that 51% majority can represent as little as 18% of the US population.
Here are some other numbers. Depending on the stars line up the following is possible:
Senators representing a mere 11% of the population can block any legislation in the Senate using the filibuster.
Senators representing a mere 24% of the population can break any filibuster.
Senators representing about 30% of the population can ratify treaties.
If Thom TRULY believed in democracy he’d be calling for sweeping reforms of ALL anti-democratic features of our Constitution… the Senate, the EC, the amendment process, and judicial and treaty ratification.
Reforming the Senate is improbable given the reform-proof nature of our Constitution. But perhaps there’s a back door… using Senate rules to weight the vote of any senator to ½ of the population of their state. Read more here:
http://reinventing-america.blogspot.com/2010/02/reforming-anti-democrati...
Of course this would do nothing to bring other needed reforms to our system… such as proportional representation that could break up our dysfunctional if not braindead two-party system. As a Progressive I can vote FOREVER and never be represented for my beliefs in Washington.
The only way the public option will make it past this DLC ran White House is for two-thirds of the house and Senate to override President Obama’s veto.
Thom missed the point badly with Mark Williams, the tea party talk show host when they were arguing CEO compensation. The fact is, the investor class would agree with Mr. Williams when it comes to CEO compensation...they're getting rich also, and how many people are we talking about?...90 million? And what's so awful about bigotry, lies, and distortions if it's helping you get richer?
THOM ARE YOU AFRAID TO BRING THIS ANGLE INTO DISCUSSION(for fear of alienating your listeners who are stockholders?)
the Conservative movement seems to have taken a bath in S. I. Hayakawa's "Language in Thought and Action". Ideas & politics that have never served the people of the country are packaged and sold with relative ease to the media without real debate or scrutiny.
The current MeMe of "the people have spoken" ( in relation to Health Care ), never mentions the fact of how much money is spent to lobby the public's opinion.
The Brown victory in MA is a blessing in disguise for the Democrats if they take a deep breath and make sure that a REAL public option is included in the 'health care' bill they pass through reconciliation. The individual mandate that requires ALL of us to purchase insurance will energize the right wing-nut opposition and without the public option the Democratic base will be disgusted and demoralized. Also, independent voters will have a hard time getting around the fact that the Democrats have forced them to pay into an out of control, vampiric system The Democrats will get shellacked in 2010 if they pass an individual mandate to purchase insurance without a public option so we can escape the current system that makes outlandish profits on peoples' suffering.
Bernanke offers concessions to quell Congress' criticism of Fed
By Neil Irwin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 24, 2010; 12:06 PM
Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke launched a wide-ranging effort Wednesday to fend off congressional efforts to take powers away from the central bank, laying out a series of compromises and olive branches meant to defuse lawmakers' criticism.
Testifying before the House Financial Services Committee, Bernanke said he will support legislation to disclose the names of companies that take advantage of special Fed lending programs, so long as enough time has passed since the loan request to avoid stigmatizing the borrowing firm. He also said he will support legislation to expand congressional oversight of many Fed functions, if its power to manage monetary policy is exempted.
In what appeared to be an effort to combat efforts to strip the Fed of bank oversight, Bernanke said that the Fed is overhauling its policies to try to reflect the lessons of the financial crisis.
more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/24/AR201002...
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Avoid stigmatizing the borrowing firms? What do you think the purpose of disclosure is Capt. Hazeltine? Whisky Tango Foxtrot
Nels,
LOL! You just know that Frank Luntz would be working feverishly to rewrite history, though (just like the Repugs. did with Reagan.)
@Quark, I don't know if Cheney would become a martyr, but from my christian mythology upbringing, I'm pretty sure he would be going down.
@Mark K, I think we still have politicians symbolically castrating themselves for their paymasters.
We call them Senators.
Question:
Would Cheney go down as a martyr if he had died from his heart attack this week?
Doctors' Group: Obama Plan Leaves Millions Uninsured, Boosts Private Insurers
by Physicians for National Health Program
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/02/24-5
[...]
"In short," Young said, "this proposal is an insurance company bonanza, not good, evidence-based health reform. The president would do better by abandoning the insurance and drug companies and instead taking up the single-payer approach." His group has estimated that such an approach could save hundreds of billions of dollars annually by simplifying health administration.
"By building on and improving the already popular Medicare program, we could put our patients' interests first," he said. "Were President Obama to do so, he would meet with strong public support, including from the medical community."
Although the physicians' group requested an invitation to Thursday's summit at Blair House, no reply from the White House has been forthcoming, Young said. Similarly, requests from Reps. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, Anthony Weiner of New York and Peter Welch of Vermont that single-payer advocates be included in the meeting have apparently gone unanswered.
Outside the Blair House on Thursday, a grassroots "Sidewalk Summit for Medicare for All" will underscore popular support for the measure.
******************************
A senate with 2 senators per state regardless of population will never lead to true democracy.
You know one of the most annoying sound bites, to me, that the cons and baggers use is the term "ObamaCare". I'm not overly in love with the Democratic capitulations to the corporations with their bill, but...
Frankly I'd rather have "ObamaCare" than the righties "We Don't Care"
@Gerals thx, I shared on facebook with this caption: Exactly which Americans do we deny healthcare to in our Christian Country?
Mark K,
Good on ya for asking that the Fox News channel be changed at a coffee shop. I've done the same thing (at a hospital ER waiting area.) You are right --- it just foments hysteria, hate and anxiety in our population.
We all can be "urban warriors."
I am sooooo glad that the British Queen's pooch was not involved in the Royal's mascot story . . .
Miss Ashley would be right at home in Uganda. Maybe she can get a job as spokesmodel for The Family.
I haven't read the Bible lately, but eunuchs were often powerful individuals in antiquity, since rulers did not view them as potential threats to their throne, and employed them in important positions. Many men who sought powerful positions in government would accept castration for this purpose.
We are seeing the end of the Democratic Party.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Message-to-Democrats-want-by-michael-pa...
Ah- I missed how much Thom said was enough money to make. Anyone here recall?