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'Forever' is a dream in an eternity of dreams. The universe will blink and we will be gone, for the duration of our existance is less then the blink of an eye.
We had a good run on this planet, but we screwed it up; the end of our existance is nigh.
There was another story that I heard of where the conversation of a Russian Commander and a separatist were talking about having just shot down the plane. And this was supposed to be "evidence" of Russian/separatists guilt in shooting down the plane...yet there was a timestamp on a record that the video was uploaded by the Ukrainian government a day before the downing of the plane. The Spanish tweeter's account is now being blocked.
Watch the video at:
http://www.infowars.com/video-did-ukraine-fabricate-evidence-to-frame-ru...
DAnneMarc: Where did you read/hear that the Spanish airline controller's tweets were bogus because they were coming from London?
DAnneMarc: Yes, that is a possibility...that those tweets were bogus. But then so is any of the claims or "evidence" that the west is supplying. The US has been pushing a confrontation with Russia even since the cold war days when US military jets would buzz Soviet air space. Part of that was to test Russia's ability to respond. Gary Powers and Eisenhower found out. But that didn't stop the US from fly overs. When the Soviet Union tore down the wall and, ostensibly, ended the cold war...it took the wind out of the US's sails as an excuse to conquer the bad old Commies. The military industrial complex, however, lost the excuse to bilk tax payers out of their taxes. The terrorist excuse worked for a while and is still the chief bogeyman.
But the western hegemon imperialists will not be satisfied until they conquer the whole world. It is also a way of masquerading the fact that the US is broke and most of the rest of the world no longer sees the US dollar as a viable world currency. Fiat currency only has value if the people and countries have faith that it is worth something.
I definitely agree with you, DAnneMarc, that something is really fishy about all of this.
*** Response to post #94, paragraphs #8 & #11 (excluding salutation): Mr. Mills. since English happens to be your first language, it's spelled "vein" not "vane". ***
Wow! Well done, Alice. You have totally demolished every single point I have made with scientific precision!
In a chain of 51 comments as post number 51 you have totally invalidated my points (by not addressing my points at all) by pointing out that I have made one typo in coment no. 94.
Is that the basis of your argument? Typos in other conversations?
You have proved me wrong. Well done.
Let's spend trillions on proving how wrong I was!
Jeez, and you wonder why the alrmists
While Obama was CALLED an extreme Liberal by the right wing machine, anybody who was paying attention, even before he enterred the presidential race, knew he was a centrist. Depending on how you weight things like ecomonic conservatism (support for establishment banking) vs Social liberalism (LGBT and civil rights) He may be either side of that line. But he was never very far to the left.
Palindromedary ~ The latest reports paints those tweets as bogus--coming from London.
Regardless, one stinking question remains. Why? What benefit would such an attack be for either side. To me, the only reason would be some sort of a false flag to warrant further aggression against the enemy. There is nothing militarily to be gained from knocking out a civilian transport. Besides, those missiles aren't cheap. Also, I'm sure the rebels don't have an unlimited supply on hand either. Why waste one on a target so high that doesn't pose a military threat? There is definitely something fishy about this incident; and, I can't wait to hear a convincing, logical explanation. So far, those tweets make the most sense of all.
Stecoop: But I thought I was going to live forever! I guess that is the biggest "Mysterious hole at the end of the World."
I thought that was a given.
FEED YOU HEAD ~ Grateful Dead style ~ "The Voice of a Great Thunder" ~
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2028282_2028286_2028333,00.html
Here's a shocker from Roger Casement in the Community section:
Possible Twitter Witness From Spanish Flight Controller In Kiev - Says UKR Airforce did it
http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2014/07/possible-twitter-witness-spani...
The story is here as well:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airpor...
Tells how this Spanish Air Traffic Controller who was working at the Kiev airport reported via Twitter that the Malaysia airliner, just minutes prior to it going down, was escorted by two Kiev military jets and diverted the airliner over the war zone.
Marc, I couldn't agree with you more. It seems more like a way to rip people off than to actually solve a problem. Something's rotten in Sacramento. I hope I'm not rubbing it in, my friend, but I'm kinda glad we migrated to Oregon. It ain't exactly nirvana, living here, but I don't think it's quite as corrupt. Like you say, the thieves are in charge. - AIW
The hookah smokin' caterpillar had that "Feed your head" thing down!
All very interesting...we're all gonna die!!!!
agelbert ~ Sir, my hat is off to you. A million thanks! I half heartedly did a quick google search to answer Douglas's question and it turned up nothing. You certainly have done your homework! I'm going to share that info on facebook too. Thanks again!
That part of California grows most of the food in the world and it's naturally half way desert country. They have to irrigate from the aquifer. The land is only artificially fertile and at great extra cost.
Here's a partial list that doesn't include the Senate (there's plenty of bought and paid for deniers in the service of dirty energy there too!).
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/11/04/206987/report-half-the-2010-...
Here is a snapshot of the GOP Class of 2010′s extremism:
ENVIRONMENT
- 50% deny the existence of manmade climate change
- 86% are opposed to any climate change legislation that increases government revenue
These were freshman Republicans in 2010 so some of them might not be there any more. Nevertheless, the ones that still are (most of them!) are responsible for the unjustified foot dragging by our government on this issue of providing a Viable Biosphere for Future Generations.
KEY: GW: Global warming denier CC: No climate change legislation
Martha Roby (AL-02) CC
Mo Brooks (AL-05) GW CC
Joe Miller* (AK-SEN) GW CC
Paul Gosar (AZ-01) CC
Ben Quayle (AZ-03) GW CC
David Schweikert (AZ-05) CC
Ruth McClung* (AZ-07) GW CC
Jesse Kelly* (AZ-08) GW CC
Rick Crawford (AR-01) CC
Tim Griffin (AR-02) CC
Steve Womack (AR-03) CC
John Boozman (AR-SEN) GW CC
David Harmer* (CA-11) GW CC
Jeff Denham (CA-19) GW CC
Andy Vidak (CA-20) GW
Scott Tipton (CO-03) CC
Cory Gardner (CO-04) GW CC
Steve Southerland (FL-02) CC
Rich Nugent (FL-05) CC
Daniel Webster (FL-08) CC
Dennis Ross (FL-12) CC
Sandy Adams (FL-24) CC
David Rivera (FL-25) CC
Marco Rubio (FL-SEN) GW CC
Rob Woodall (GA-07)
Austin Scott (GA-08) CC
Raul Labrador (ID-01) CC
Joe Walsh* (IL-08) GW CC
Robert Dold (IL-10) GW CC
Adam Kinzinger (IL-11) CC
Randy Hultgren (IL-14) GW CC
Bobby Schilling (IL-17) GW CC
Mark Kirk (IL-SEN) CC
Marlin Stutzman (IN-03) CC
Todd Rokita (IN-04) GW CC
Larry Bucshon (IN-08) GW CC
Todd Young (IN-09) GW CC
Dan Coats (IN-SEN) GW CC
Tim Huelskamp (KS-01) GW CC
Kevin Yoder (KS-03)
Mike Pompeo (KS-04) CC
Jerry Moran (KS-SEN) GW CC
Rand Paul (KY-SEN) GW CC
Jeff Landry (LA-03) CC
Andy Harris (MD-01) CC
Dan Benishek (MI-01) CC
Bill Huizenga (MI-02) GW CC
Justin Amash (MI-03) CC
Tim Walberg (MI-07) GW CC
Chip Cravaack (MN-08) GW
Vicky Hartzler (MO-04) GW CC
Billy Long (MO-07) CC
Roy Blunt (MO-SEN) GW CC
Alan Nunnelee (MS-01) CC
Steven Palazzo (MS-04) CC
Renee Ellmers (NC-02)
Rick Berg (ND-AL) CC
John Hoeven (ND-SEN) GW
Frank Guinta (NH-01) CC
Charlie Bass (NH-02) GW CC
Kelly Ayotte (NH-SEN) GW CC
Jon Runyan (NJ-03) CC
Joe Heck (NV-03) CC
Steve Pearce (NM-02) GW CC
Mike Grimm (NY-13) GW CC
Nan Hayworth (NY-19) GW CC
Chris Gibson (NY-20) CC
Richard Hanna (NY-24)
Anne Marie Buerkle* (NY-25) GW CC
Tom Reed (NY-29) CC
Steve Chabot (OH-01) GW CC
Bill Johnson (OH-06) CC
Steve Stivers (OH-15) GW CC
Jim Renacci (OH-16) CC
Bob Gibbs (OH-18) GW CC
Rob Portman (OH-SEN)
James Lankford (OK-05) GW CC
Mike Kelly (PA-03) CC
Pat Meehan (PA-07) CC
Mike Fitzpatrick (PA-08) CC
Tom Marino (PA-10) CC
Lou Barletta (PA-11) CC
Pat Toomey (PA-SEN) GW
Tim Scott (SC-01) CC
Jeff Duncan (SC-03)
Trey Gowdy (SC-04) GW CC
Mick Mulvaney (SC-05) GW CC
Kristi Noem (SD-AL) GW CC
Chuck Fleischman (TN-03)
Scott DesJarlais (TN-04) CC
Diane Black (TN-06) GW CC
Stephen Fincher (TN-08) CC
Bill Flores (TX-17) CC
Francisco Canseco (TX-23) CC
Blake Farenthold (TX-27) GW
Mike Lee (UT-SEN) CC
Scott Rigell (VA-02) GW CC
Robert Hurt (VA-05) GW CC
Morgan Griffith (VA-09) GW
Keith Fimian* (VA-11) GW
John Koster* (WA-02) GW CC
Jamie Herrera (WA-03) CC
Dick Muri* (WA-09) GW
Dino Rossi* (WA-SEN) GW
Sean Duffy (WI-07) CC
Reid Ribble (WI-08) CC
Ron Johnson (WI-SEN) GW CC
David McKinley (WV-01) GW CC
These politicians are the FRUIT of BAD GOVERNMENT by
1) predatory,
2) conscience free ('liberated' from guilt feelings by the almighty Freud in order to avoid 'neurosis'),
3) social Darwinist,
4) game theory (cooperation is a guise to fool and destroy the competition) warped world view,
5) situational ethics (an oxymoron!),
6) if it feels good-DO IT
corporate consent manufacturing propagandists in the service of SHIT CANNED ETHICS for SHORT TERM PROFITS!
The SOLUTION lies in GOOD GOVERNMENT; the PROBLEM is that CORPORATIONS ARE the present BAD GOVERNMENT! They support imprisoning people that speak truth to power and giving the people the mushroom treatment for the same reason they ignore global warming and pollution: SHIT CANNED ETHICS FOR SHORT TERM PROFITS!
As part of being responsible, caring human beings, we have to pressure our government to take major action to stop the degradation of the biosphere from climate change. This is causing death and disease to both domestic animals and wildlife, all of which have done nothing to deserve such a horrible fate at our hands. It's time to eliminate the excuse our fossil fuel loving oligarchy uses for "resources" wars for oil that bring nothing but misery to us and profits for them.
I started a petition on Care2: Demand Liberty From Fossil Fuels Through 100% Renewable Energy WWII Style Effort. I'm hoping that if enough people sign my petition, we can make a difference. I have 302 signatures. Will you help me collect more by adding your name?
Here's a link to the petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/420/529/456/demand-liberty-from-fossil-fuels-through-100-renewable-energy-wwii-style-effort/
Thank you and please pass it on. The biosphere you save may be your own. <img>http://www.pic4ever.com/images/earthhug.gif</img> <img>http://www.pic4ever.com/images/icare.gif</img>
stecoop01 and Palindromdary ~ I believe that if the frozen ice caps were indeed to completely melt that we would have a wobble problem. However, it would only be temporary; and, it would be the least of our problems. Water, as a gas, and a liquid, would quickly settle in the new ecospheres state of equilibrium. However, that displaced liquid would also displace much of the land and quickly transform the entire landscape of the planet. Those of us who might survive would barely notice the temporary seasonal changes from a wobble; or, an axis displacement. Those who ultimately survive--if any--would have to quickly adapt to the new environmental paradigm--whatever that might be.
Remember the Iranian passenger airliner that the USS Vincennes shot down in the Arabian Gulf in 1988? 290 on board, 66 children, and 16 crew. And remember, the US Navy had much more sophisticated equipment and highly trained men. The US never even apologized to Iran. The US did not admit legal liability but agreed to pay US$61.8 million in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims -- wikipedia
When I hear that hypocrite Obama and all the other US politician hypocrites, and news media hypocrites, spew their hypocrite propaganda around I just want throw up. The Nazis who overthrew the original, legitimate government of Ukraine are the real terrorists and so are those who helped them...like Europe and the US.
Why was this plane allowed, or directed, to fly over a war zone? I'd sure like to find out if this was an anomaly or if other passenger airliners had been flying over that area as well.
I'm sure glad I don't have to fly anymore. It's too damn dangerous!
chuckle8 ~ That is not what I heard. However, if you want to talk about small fines that make a big difference, lets talk about grocery bags. My city of Oakland--and San Francisco--passed ordinances that stated that grocery stores could still use plastic bags; however, now they needed to charge something like a measly 10 cents per bag if used. This was to discourage using plastic bags. Guess what? Now people are dragging their reusable cloth bags to the grocery stores. They didn't have to ban anything or impose a ridiculous fine. A simple 10 cent charge per bag was enough to change peoples behavior and get remarkable results.
The same approach can be done with water conservation. It hasn't been tried and that is a shame because it has been used in the past with astonishing results. What is happening now in Sacramento is a crime against the people. It will solve nothing and delay the necessary action that will help reduce the problem. This is the "War On Drugs" mentality all over again; and, it will only enrich the state coffers at the expense of hurting our middle class and costing the state more water in the long run.
Actually, Palin, that's not so far fetched. Years ago, scientists had theorized that the Earth's wobble had been altered by all the retained water in the Northern hemisphere - so many dams had been built in the Northern hemisphere (compared to the Southern hemisphere), the Earth had become top heavy. I don't know what ever became of that theory, but it kind of made sense.
Thank you for sharing,
We need more fathers (and the police that back them up) to deal appropriately with sex offenders as this good, caring and responsible father did.
This is the FRUIT of BAD GOVERNMENT by
1) predatory,
2) conscience free ('liberated' from guilt feelings by the almighty Freud in order to avoid 'neurosis'),
3) social Darwinist,
4) game theory (cooperation is a guise to fool and destroy the competition) warped world view,
5) situational ethics (an oxymoron!),
6) if it feels good-DO IT
corporate consent manufacturing propagandists in the service of SHIT CANNED ETHICS for SHORT TERM PROFITS!
The SOLUTION lies in GOOD GOVERNMENT; the PROBLEM is that CORPORATIONS ARE the present BAD GOVERNMENT! They support imprisoning people that speak truth to power and giving the people the mushroom treatment for the same reason they ignore global warming and pollution: SHIT CANNED ETHICS FOR SHORT TERM PROFITS!
As part of being responsible, caring human beings, we have to pressure our government to take major action to stop the degradation of the biosphere from climate change. This is causing death and disease to both domestic animals and wildlife, all of which have done nothing to deserve such a horrible fate at our hands. It's time to eliminate the excuse our fossil fuel loving oligarchy uses for "resources" wars for oil that bring nothing but misery to us and profits for them.
I started a petition on Care2: Demand Liberty From Fossil Fuels Through 100% Renewable Energy WWII Style Effort. I'm hoping that if enough people sign my petition, we can make a difference. I have 302 signatures. Will you help me collect more by adding your name?
Full Background info on the petition at this site (Thom Hartmann):
http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2014/06/petition-president-obama-be-delivered-september-demand-liberty-fossil-fuels-through-10
Here's a link to the petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/420/529/456/demand-liberty-from-fossil-fuels-through-100-renewable-energy-wwii-style-effort/
Thank you and please pass it on. The biosphere you save may be your own. <img>http://www.pic4ever.com/images/earthhug.gif</img> <img>http://www.pic4ever.com/images/icare.gif</img>
In that case, they can have all of Washington DC, and the entire Republican party. That should keep them fueled for a million years!
Please somebody make a list of politicians who vote againgst the planet so i can repost on facebook!!