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gvouros ~ That makes a lot of sense. However, if true, shouldn't there be a mini lake there. Ice doesn't evaporate suddenly, especially in a cold environment like Siberia. It has to turn into water first. Surely there would still be some traces of water for verification of that theory?
Fbacher, I find your AT&T experience oh so intriguing. That's because I've my own AT&T experience to share.
This occurred back in the late 1990s. It started with a friend of ours named Jeff who was in prison, with whom I’d remained in contact. Jeff was calling us on the phone occasionally. I remember being quite stunned by the impact his calls had on our phone bill. Those AT&T douchbags were charging us $3.50 a minute for those calls. After awhile I told Jeff that if he wanted to remain in touch, it would have to be by mail. But even after I explained to Jeff why I didn’t want him calling anymore, he did it anyway, and did it repeatedly. My message machine picked up the calls; that was it. And then came the bill from AT&T. They wanted me to pay them something in excess of sixty dollars for this lineup of calls, each exactly a minute long, the amount of time it took my message machine to do its thing. I refused to pay the bill, responding with a letter explaining the situation. They sent me another bill, then another. I wouldn’t budge, and they eventually gave up.
Corporations may not be “people” but they are mighty slick predators. - Aliceinwonderland
From the Washington Post:
The crater may also have been caused by something called a “pingo.” That’s a block of underground ice that can push through the Earth to reach the surface, where it melts and leaves a hole behind. The region’s permafrost can be hundreds of feet thick, a width that may engender such an glacial push, Chris Fogwill, a polar scientist at the University of New South Wales,told the Sydney Morning Herald.
“It’s just a remarkable land form,” he said. “This is obviously a very extreme version of that, and if there’s been any interaction with the gas in the area, that is a question that could only be answered by going there.”
Palindromedary ~ There is another possibility that should be explored. I understand there were 20-30 Americans aboard this flight. What was the passenger manifest. Planes have been brought down by military equipment before just to eliminate one or two passengers. JFK Jr. comes to mind. Could this have been a hit with a lot of innocent bystanders? It is, after all, the MO of our shadow government. They care nothing for innocent human life.
I have to agree with Willie W on this one. It looks like a drill did it. The residue scatter pattern, slick walls, plus the depth just doesn't suggest an explosion of any kind I've ever seen. Sorry Thom, to me, a methane explosion theory is just not going to cut it. (Sorry for the pun.)
Those pig plutocrats always have their way with Obama. When has that guy ever stood his fucking ground and shown some spine?
Bernie Sanders for president! - AIW
Can I assume that the reich-wing of the Supreme Court will support my refusal to pay taxes due to my sincere religious belief that war is contrary to the teachings of Jesus? I cite the Hobby Lobby decision as justification.
Willie W ~ You are so right. I found some images of this hole on a web search. Here is the link:
Mysterious Hole At The End Of The World Photos
My first reactions was, where is the bottom? Every photo of a meteor I've ever seen the bottom is clearly visible. The same is true of craters from atomic blasts and other explosions. This thing almost looks like a tunnel. It even has smooth walls. WTF! If it WAS an explosion from under the surface, wouldn't it have blown those shavings much further from the epicenter?
Anybody else got any other ideas or theories?
stecoop01 ~ I think it would be nicer if there was a civilization out there that was in the need of 100% Bull $h^t. Wouldn't that be great? We could direct them over to Faux News and let them FILL UP until their tanks runneth over; and, then beam the rest aboard their mother ship for later.
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BINGO, Chuck!
The hole does look like it pushed up from under. Like drilling into wood, the drill bit pushes shavings up out of the hole and they pile up around the rim. Like an ant hill. If this is what's realy going on, then we are already screwed. Too little too late. Maybe the world will end before Social Security runs out... Problem solved!
As catastrophic as mass methane release may be, I prefer to think positively. Maybe the crater was the result of alien visitors that stopped by to refuel their methane powered spacecraft- "Hey ET! Get your little gray butts back here and pay for that fuel! You don't pump-and-run planet Earth!!!"
Wouldn't it be nice if there were a civilazation out there that needed all our methane?
Do we know for sure that there isn't?
The pro-Russian rebels had shot down a Ukraine military plane the day before using the Buk missiles. Could it be that the Malaysia plane was shot down by someone who backs the Ukraine government as a way of blaming the pro-Russian rebels or Russia for it. A journalist had seen a Buk launcher in a nearby town, some 13 miles from the downed airliner, just yesterday. Another consideration is that it takes special training to use these Buk launchers and the pro-Russian rebels may not have been very well trained or not trained at all. It took some expertise to be able to successfully launch a missile that would take out a target. It is also claimed that the Russians do send in special forces into eastern Ukraine so maybe, if it was the Russians that did it, they would not have been limited to the border 25 miles away. It is not very conceivable, however, that the Russians, who would have the expertise, would mistake a passenger airliner for a military plane. And I doubt that the Russians would want the added anti-Russian propaganda to fall against them.
The only ones who want to see a massive escalation are those who created this mess to begin with...the US and Europe and the Nazi Ukraine government.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/malaysian-airlines-plane-bu...
The Buk missile can strike targets 72,000 feet (13 miles) in the air. The plane was at 33,000 feet (6.25 miles) when it was struck. The distance from the crash site to the Russian border was 25 miles. So, whoever launched that missile had to have been well within the Ukraine border.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/missile-launcher-malaysia-airlines...
Isn't it negligent to fly passenger airliners over war zones...war zones where they have missile launchers that can bring down passenger airliners? If the airlines have not already diverted their flight patterns then they should do so.
chuckle8: What does come through, of course, the believer will say that it was because of his talking to his imaginary friends that made it possible.
"Why is the federal government funneling good taxpayer money to bad companies and failing technologies?"
I'm going to guess that you have never been involved in the development of a technological product. If you had, you would realize just how foolish that question is. Failure, Kend, should be viewed as a learning experience on the road to success. Nothing more - because that, in itself, is PLENTY! There was a time in our history where starting a business that failed did not brand one forever as a failure - that was BEFORE Reagan, of course.
Compare that $853 Million to the $700 BILLION the banksters were awarded for crashing the global economy, and tell me which was the better investment. Consider the knowledge gained, and essentially transferred to the public domain, by the efforts of those 4 companies. Even a result of "Well, THAT didn't work!" puts the next guy to try his hand at it in a better position, don't you think? How do you know if a given approach will work or fail, if it has never been TRIED?
I might also have suggested comparing the subsidies to those "failed" companies to the NEEDLESS "funneling of good taxpayer money" to Exxon/Mobil, Shell, Texaco, etc., and ask the very same question. Which is the better investment, the one that helps established companies in a MADLY profitable, if slowly dying, industrial sector, wring even MORE profit out of destroying the habitability of our planet, or the one that helps new companies in a developing industrial sector learn more about what works and what doesn't? You make the call.
Pal -- Wait a minute. I thought you were telling me what does come through.
chuckle8
I applied my methodology from 100 years of monthly data, but made an assumption that the first price of the DOW was around 25. Frankly from 25 - 18,000 that doesn't make an iota of difference as we get to the end of the rally. The methodology also requires that all instrinsic legs of the moves also have applicable ratios. So this is a system based on integrated wave development. Therefore, there's no element of time involved. I hadn't even noticed those 6-year events!
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fbacher: That was a great idea! :-) Maybe you should tape all of those bills to the tomb stone and take a photo of it and send it to AT&T. They really can't do anything after 7 years anyway...statute of limitations. One caveat...they could sell the debt to a collection agency who will continue to hound you and if you bite (ie: either say you will make payments or partial payments or if you actually do make those payments) then it brings the legal debt back to life and the SOL no longer applies. Those collection agents will hound you by calling you over and over again...and they even end up calling the wrong numbers pestering people who had nothing to do with it. Best just to get Caller ID and only answer the phones when you recognize the phone numbers.
I'm no lawyer, but that's how I understand it.
Wer'e the phone company...
My father sold the house he inherited from his sister. For months I was arguing with ATT over the phone bill. I told them that my aunt was dead, the property was sold and that the house was torn down. There was no phone, nor phone wire. Yet they still took the position that the phone was still in service. It has been years and they still occassionally send a bill, which I return with her new address, at the cemetary.
chuckle8: I guess it's like people who like to talk to their imaginary friend in the sky....they will continue to believe in the efficacy of that action even if the imaginary friend doesn't come through. Some are still waiting...thousands of years later...for some things to happen. And it looks like they are about to make it happen....the bad parts, that is. They are all a bunch of crazy people no better than the suicide bombers.
In the news on RT the Malaysian airliner that was just shot down killing 280 passengers and 15 crew... they kept saying that it was shot down by the Ukrainian military. RT had news people on the ground where the crash happened and got their information from eyewitnesses who saw the missile streak through the air and strike the plane.
I suspected that the US news sources will probably say that it was the Russians who shot it down. Then I turned to the US news channels and, sure enough, they all say it was shot down by Russia. It figures! I believe they said it was shot down about 38 miles from the Russian border in the Donetsk region of Ukraine. The plane was traveling over a war zone in the Ukraine where they most likely do have the ability to shoot down airliners.
But the plane was traveling toward Russia where one might imagine that Russia has anti-aircraft missiles ready to shoot down any enemy aircraft approaching Russia.
On the other hand, could this just be another false flag that the US has created, either using the Ukrainian forces or having their own covert CIA forces in the country to do the dirty deed so they could blame it on Russia? After 9/11, I am way past the belief that our country wouldn't do this to hundreds or even thousands of innocent people even if they are our own, or our allies.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/17/777-shot-down-over-ukraine/
Could it be that Israel needed a wag-the-dog event to take the heat from their illegal murderous atrocities in Gaza? These Neo-Nazis are using inhumane banned weapons.
AIW -- I detect that you have dislike for merry-go-rounds.