Our enemies are not the same as their enemies. The elites want us to lay our lives down for the sake of their rivalries that don't benefit the common people at all..
Aliceinwonderland ~ Yes! I feel it is waaaaaaay too heavy handed. These politicians have--so far--made no attempt to push this water abstinence policy AT ALL!!! Jumping to this Draconian measure without preemptive punitive measures is absolutely ridiculous. No one I know living in this State could take the impact of this legislation without becoming instantly bankrupt. And, that is just for one day. A sweep of a week of this unconstitutional nonsense could destroy entire families before they even know there is a problem. Many--if not most--of Californian families are living paycheck to paycheck and cannot afford such a penalty for anything. This legislation--as it is written--is absolutely ridiculous and--in itself-a crime against the people. I cannot wait to see how the people react to such legislation. I have no sympathy toward the people in charge who legislated it. Whatever the rational reasons, this is too damn much and too damn late to fly without serious repercussions. And that is my two cents.
Mark J. Saulys: I certainly agree with you there! We have a whole history of false flags, as you said, and it would be foolish not to believe that they haven't done it in Ukraine or in the future. When our country tells us one minute that Al Qaida are terrorists and our enemy and then they turn right around and supply them with support in Syria (including most likely chemical weapons to be used as a false flag to blame Assad), then it's time to wonder who our real enemies are.
Democratic government is to the citizenry what a labor union is to the workers. It represents them against the corporations who would otherwise have them for lunch. Thus corporations hate democratic government for the same reason they hate unions, they hate democracy.
They love undemocratic government. They love the police state of China where they moved all their manufacturing because, being a police state, the citizenry and workers can't organize there and get some decent labor, environmental and product safety regulation to serve the people.
DAnneMarc: Very interesting idea! Very possible! And the warmongering imperialists in the US would blame it on the Russians to justify invading Ukraine with Nato and US troops. Once take over of Ukraine and probably Crimea is done they'll probably put nukes in there as well. Russia will no longer have a warm water port like they do now in Crimea. Crippling Russia, slowly strangling them, until they can no longer be any kind of a threat or resist the US imperialists.
Palindromedary, it's a very old political trick to commit an act of terrorism and blame it on the other side - especially to get somebody into a war or win support for your side. Think the mortar round in the marketplace of Sarajevo, or Gulf of Tonkin, the U.S.S. Maine or the acts of terror the CIA commit in Viet Nam to justify U.S. intervention in the '50s or even, in some way, 9/11 - some people think. I think this is, in fact, another of those.
Another thought, oh no not another one! What would be the effect of the melting of all that ice at the ice caps upon the wobble of the earth? All that weight redistributed might change the earth's wobble and cause wild weather effects..different seasonal characteristics.... earthquakes... pole shifts? Would it thin our atmosphere so that meteors would not burn up in our atmosphere and we would be pelted with unending meteorites..very large ones?
Thank you, Catman306! So, it looks like the carbon dioxide (CO2) from the methane (CH4) will cause the CO2 to overload the ability for the carbon sinks to remove CO2 from the atmosphere and cause us all to die agonizing deaths in the near future. How wonderful! And the H2O, not only from the melting ice caps but from the methane will help to raise the oceans that will flood us. Hope that wont be a world wide flood (has that happened before? ;-}) but we'll probably all be dead by then from the heat.
Maybe this is what a methane volcano looks like. Maybe this is an outlier, the first of a growing number of methane volcanos spewing methane into the atmosphere. Maybe all of the Earth's permafrost regions will develop these holes and create a swiss cheese landscape in the far north.
@Palindromedary: There's no natural sink for methane because it eventually breaks down into carbon dioxide and water. So the powerful short term greenhouse gas, methane, becomes the less powerful, but long term, gas carbon dioxide. It took an aeon to capture that carbon into frozen methane. It probably won't take very long for it to melt and force catastrophic global warming.
DAnneMarc: I think something is rotten in Ukraine. Whether it was the pro-Russian rebels, or the Russians in Ukraine, or the Ukraine government, or even the CIA...or Backwater...I mean Blackwater...oh, yeah, they call themselves Xe (the killers that glow..except there is nothing odorless or noble about them) now, I think.
I don't suppose methane has a natural sink like CO2 does. Some of the CO2 in the atmosphere gets suck up..or sinked..with the Oceans, Seas, Lakes, forests, etc. But some scientists think that the ability to sink CO2 is getting saturated and can't hold anymore. If methane is many times more able to cause runaway greenhouse effect, and if there is not natural sink to soak it up out of the atmosphere...no body had better light a match!
Palindromedary ~ Thanks for that link. I saw the video with the small puddle of water. I also saw the video speculating that the dark rim was caused by severe heat. Still, not enough water to explain the heat, or a source of heat to explain the water that singed the rim or bored the hole. I'm going to wait till they perform atmospheric analysis and radiation measurements. So far, nothing I've heard clicks. Maybe while researching this phenomenon they might stumble upon what has happened to those most unfortunate aircrafts from Malaysia? Something is rotten in Russia! (Or is that Denmark? Oh, whatever!)
Quote Aliceinwonderland:Corporations may not be “people” but they are mighty slick predators.
Aliceinwonderland ~ Speaking about mighty slick predators did you know that the California State Water Resource Council Board has just passed a $500 a day fine for people excessively using water in the state. Yep, that is right! If you are found watering your lawn and there is overrun, or washing your car without a shut off nozzle, or a variety of other stipulations you will be fined $500 per day. I can only imagine that since this is the State you cannot simply refuse to pay. You could feasibly have a lien placed against your property or pay check if you refuse--not to mention possible other fines tacked on as well. And that is not all. The State intends to extend this penalty into water services as well eventually. I'll keep everyone posted as to what becomes of that when I learn myself. If you live in California, as of August first, if I were you I'd let my lawn and plants make the ultimate sacrifice. I'd also limit my toilet flushes as well. A word to the wise.
Quote DAnneMarc:Anybody else got any other ideas or theories?
Giant termites?
Seriously, though....actually there is water at the bottom. See my last ..universetoday link. The video where they lower a camera into the hole shows this.
Oh, no, not another Mel's hole! I remember also listening to an Art Bell program, many years ago, that claimed that there was this bottomless pit in Siberia, where they lowered a microphone as far as they could into the hole and recorded what was claimed was the voices from Hell. You might still be able to download that sound track. It certainly did sound like millions of people wailing and moaning like they were suffering a great deal. Then I heard of another bottomless pit somewhere else...I think it was Iran.
I tried to find the hole on Google Earth but the resolution is not very good. I staked out pins all around the Gas Plant at a distance of 30km. It was said that it is at the edge of a forest...but I cannot tell what is forest and what is not...resolution too low. The hole is near a small lake and I looked for anything that looked like that but there are so many lakes, it is just too hard to tell. The Google Earth satellite view was dated in 2013...so if the hole was there for the last 2 years...the hole should be in the image.
Quote a commenter who speaks Russian:sgonch July 17, 2014 at 11:19 AM
Hi, I’m from Russia. They are talking about this hole as about something occured because of material release from within the ground, no explosion, no heat. Just a big soil buble if there could be things like that :). Experts do understand what exactly happened but they are not sure why – the depth of melted ice level is just 70cm which is too low I suppose to create such a release of underground material
Our enemies are not the same as their enemies. The elites want us to lay our lives down for the sake of their rivalries that don't benefit the common people at all..
Aliceinwonderland ~ Yes! I feel it is waaaaaaay too heavy handed. These politicians have--so far--made no attempt to push this water abstinence policy AT ALL!!! Jumping to this Draconian measure without preemptive punitive measures is absolutely ridiculous. No one I know living in this State could take the impact of this legislation without becoming instantly bankrupt. And, that is just for one day. A sweep of a week of this unconstitutional nonsense could destroy entire families before they even know there is a problem. Many--if not most--of Californian families are living paycheck to paycheck and cannot afford such a penalty for anything. This legislation--as it is written--is absolutely ridiculous and--in itself-a crime against the people. I cannot wait to see how the people react to such legislation. I have no sympathy toward the people in charge who legislated it. Whatever the rational reasons, this is too damn much and too damn late to fly without serious repercussions. And that is my two cents.
Until the masses, get out the vote, there will be no movement, just like today's political scheming.
It is one mans doing, thats fueling the consolidation, Michael Powell, Gen. Powell's son., and the overall corruption of our media, for the 1%.
low voting is strangling this countries citizens, more and more.
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Mark J. Saulys: I certainly agree with you there! We have a whole history of false flags, as you said, and it would be foolish not to believe that they haven't done it in Ukraine or in the future. When our country tells us one minute that Al Qaida are terrorists and our enemy and then they turn right around and supply them with support in Syria (including most likely chemical weapons to be used as a false flag to blame Assad), then it's time to wonder who our real enemies are.
Democratic government is to the citizenry what a labor union is to the workers. It represents them against the corporations who would otherwise have them for lunch. Thus corporations hate democratic government for the same reason they hate unions, they hate democracy.
They love undemocratic government. They love the police state of China where they moved all their manufacturing because, being a police state, the citizenry and workers can't organize there and get some decent labor, environmental and product safety regulation to serve the people.
God bless America.
DAnneMarc: Very interesting idea! Very possible! And the warmongering imperialists in the US would blame it on the Russians to justify invading Ukraine with Nato and US troops. Once take over of Ukraine and probably Crimea is done they'll probably put nukes in there as well. Russia will no longer have a warm water port like they do now in Crimea. Crippling Russia, slowly strangling them, until they can no longer be any kind of a threat or resist the US imperialists.
AIW ~ LOL
You ring? - AIW
Palindromedary, it's a very old political trick to commit an act of terrorism and blame it on the other side - especially to get somebody into a war or win support for your side. Think the mortar round in the marketplace of Sarajevo, or Gulf of Tonkin, the U.S.S. Maine or the acts of terror the CIA commit in Viet Nam to justify U.S. intervention in the '50s or even, in some way, 9/11 - some people think. I think this is, in fact, another of those.
Another thought, oh no not another one! What would be the effect of the melting of all that ice at the ice caps upon the wobble of the earth? All that weight redistributed might change the earth's wobble and cause wild weather effects..different seasonal characteristics.... earthquakes... pole shifts? Would it thin our atmosphere so that meteors would not burn up in our atmosphere and we would be pelted with unending meteorites..very large ones?
Marc, that sounds like no picnic. How do you feel about it? Do you think it's too heavy handed? - AIW
Thank you, Catman306! So, it looks like the carbon dioxide (CO2) from the methane (CH4) will cause the CO2 to overload the ability for the carbon sinks to remove CO2 from the atmosphere and cause us all to die agonizing deaths in the near future. How wonderful! And the H2O, not only from the melting ice caps but from the methane will help to raise the oceans that will flood us. Hope that wont be a world wide flood (has that happened before? ;-}) but we'll probably all be dead by then from the heat.
Maybe this is what a methane volcano looks like. Maybe this is an outlier, the first of a growing number of methane volcanos spewing methane into the atmosphere. Maybe all of the Earth's permafrost regions will develop these holes and create a swiss cheese landscape in the far north.
@Palindromedary: There's no natural sink for methane because it eventually breaks down into carbon dioxide and water. So the powerful short term greenhouse gas, methane, becomes the less powerful, but long term, gas carbon dioxide. It took an aeon to capture that carbon into frozen methane. It probably won't take very long for it to melt and force catastrophic global warming.
Guys! ~ Why don't you just Go ask Alice... I think she'll know. Remember, what the door mouse said, "FEED YOUR HEAD!! FEED YOUR HEAD!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2yQLXTuctA
Sandworms...of course...what else could it be?! ;-}
I actually didn't see Tremors...but I did see Dune.
DAnneMarc: I think something is rotten in Ukraine. Whether it was the pro-Russian rebels, or the Russians in Ukraine, or the Ukraine government, or even the CIA...or Backwater...I mean Blackwater...oh, yeah, they call themselves Xe (the killers that glow..except there is nothing odorless or noble about them) now, I think.
Oh, I'm so sorry! Silly me. There is, of course, one other perfectly obvious explanation for the hole. What was I thinking?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5e3qoREpuA
I don't suppose methane has a natural sink like CO2 does. Some of the CO2 in the atmosphere gets suck up..or sinked..with the Oceans, Seas, Lakes, forests, etc. But some scientists think that the ability to sink CO2 is getting saturated and can't hold anymore. If methane is many times more able to cause runaway greenhouse effect, and if there is not natural sink to soak it up out of the atmosphere...no body had better light a match!
By the way, that is a very good web site at www.americablog.com
Palindromedary ~ Thanks for that link. I saw the video with the small puddle of water. I also saw the video speculating that the dark rim was caused by severe heat. Still, not enough water to explain the heat, or a source of heat to explain the water that singed the rim or bored the hole. I'm going to wait till they perform atmospheric analysis and radiation measurements. So far, nothing I've heard clicks. Maybe while researching this phenomenon they might stumble upon what has happened to those most unfortunate aircrafts from Malaysia? Something is rotten in Russia! (Or is that Denmark? Oh, whatever!)
It's never a good time for fascism or a corrupted government, but this is the worst possible time.
Aliceinwonderland ~ Speaking about mighty slick predators did you know that the California State Water Resource Council Board has just passed a $500 a day fine for people excessively using water in the state. Yep, that is right! If you are found watering your lawn and there is overrun, or washing your car without a shut off nozzle, or a variety of other stipulations you will be fined $500 per day. I can only imagine that since this is the State you cannot simply refuse to pay. You could feasibly have a lien placed against your property or pay check if you refuse--not to mention possible other fines tacked on as well. And that is not all. The State intends to extend this penalty into water services as well eventually. I'll keep everyone posted as to what becomes of that when I learn myself. If you live in California, as of August first, if I were you I'd let my lawn and plants make the ultimate sacrifice. I'd also limit my toilet flushes as well. A word to the wise.
http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/State-water-board-expected-to-OK-500-a-day-fines-5623907.php
Seriously, though....actually there is water at the bottom. See my last ..universetoday link. The video where they lower a camera into the hole shows this.
Oh, no, not another Mel's hole! I remember also listening to an Art Bell program, many years ago, that claimed that there was this bottomless pit in Siberia, where they lowered a microphone as far as they could into the hole and recorded what was claimed was the voices from Hell. You might still be able to download that sound track. It certainly did sound like millions of people wailing and moaning like they were suffering a great deal. Then I heard of another bottomless pit somewhere else...I think it was Iran.
Maybe you've seen the helicopter flyover but now men are at the hole and have lowered a camera down into the hole (anyone speak Russian?):
http://www.universetoday.com/113287/what-created-this-huge-crater-in-sib...
I tried to find the hole on Google Earth but the resolution is not very good. I staked out pins all around the Gas Plant at a distance of 30km. It was said that it is at the edge of a forest...but I cannot tell what is forest and what is not...resolution too low. The hole is near a small lake and I looked for anything that looked like that but there are so many lakes, it is just too hard to tell. The Google Earth satellite view was dated in 2013...so if the hole was there for the last 2 years...the hole should be in the image.
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Here's the second largest man made pit in the world:
Notice the buildings rimming the top.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Mirny_in_Yakutia.jpg
More pictures here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2CKkLntQkg