Possible the media will try and move on, but we the people will keep it a hot issue up to election day. Even his own part is distancing themselves from him. How many more of these gaffes can his campaign wiggle out of? I really look forward to the first debates. Obama has all sorts of political fodder to throw at him, and probably more by the first debate in Oct.
Several decades ago, Margaret Thatcher claimed: "There is no alternative". She was referring to capitalism. Today, this negative attitude still persists.
I would like to offer an alternative to capitalism for the American people to consider. Please click on the following link. It will take you to an essay titled: "Home of the Brave?" which was published by the Athenaeum Library of Philosophy:
Romney's honest sentiment about the 47% along with his refusal to release tax returns are both big, but I still think if voters become aware of Ryan's budget plan and the fact that house republicans have passed it twice......... this will be the final nail in their coffin!
"No" I am sorry to say. Because Obama and the DNC ignored the Citizens United issue and consequent US and Overseas SuperPac power. They seemed to have taken the selfseeking option of letting it ride so that they can continue to control "access to the piggy-trough" for "their chosen team". They have shot themselves in the foot (and the rest of us.) Election fraud percentage will be far higher than the margin between candidates.
Willard was just repeating the same old line of crap I've been hearing from Teabaggers, "Ryan's base," for the last couple years...the rich pay most of the tax while 47% sit around collecting out of control entitlements. Of course the rich get all whip-silly when they hear this because it helps justify their anti-tax greed.
Why 47%ers like the Teabaggers think billionaires like the Kochs need their help with deregulation and tax evasion is beyond me...in fact I've actually asked many that very question and get the same delayed response, something like,.... aaaaaahhh, we need to shrink government and the debt is too high! And I always ask, do you think benefiting the wealthy by shrinking revenue collection even more, is the answer? By then, I've lost them!
I think much of Romney's red state base probably is all screwed up on racism, so it's gonna take a lot to get them to vote for their own best interests. Maybe if Romney confesses that he's a gay, gun hating, atheist, some might just stay home on election day.
Few have talked much about the 1%-ers in the 47% who pay no taxes. What's the chance that (on one of the tax-returns he's not showing us) Romney is part of the 47% -- A freeloader who assumes he's "entitled and a victim of government taxation"? -- Ya think?
"47% of Americans who he claims are victims who don't pay taxes, and who are dependent upon government for everything. "
I wrote you a long message and it got deleted. I was trying to copy it and boom, it disappeared and I couldn't get it back. I will repeat only a couple of parta of that "great" message. It said that you need to focus on the comtempt Romney has for the 47%. He didn't say that the 47% are dependent on the government, he said that the 47% believe they "deserve to be dependent" on the government for everything. He didn't say they ARE victims, he said that they SEE THEMSELVES as victims."
Big difference. Also Obama missed that point in a different way. Obama is saying that Romney said he doesn't want to govern those 47%. No, Rmoney only said he knows they aren't going to vote for him. It's the contempt for the 47%, as well as the ignorance regarding just WHO makes up that 47%. As you say, Southerners. Working poor with a lot of kids. Some of the elderly. Some members of the military...
The other thing I suggested was... please don't interrupt people so much. It makes it hard for me to learn, when I can't hear the other guy's POV. Plus, it makes you sound a bit hysterical, at times. Especially with guests you don't agree with. I get yelling at the radio, "Don't interrupt!"
Are you all forgetting that those mostly republican 1% pay 38% of the federal bills and the top 10% pay 70% of the fed bills. What would you do if the top 10% made a wealthy people union and went on strike. The way you Dems talk you would all starve to dead. You do know the only pay taxes if they make a profit. If you tax to much they don't invest, and there is nothing to tax.
Romney only said anyone on dependent on the government will vote Dem as they are the best at giving hard working tax payers money away. Just look at the hundreds of billions of dollars they wasted on solar, wind and electric car projects. None of them will survive with out being highly subsidized and they green house gases havn't reduced at all.
oh my bad the 3 cent sales tax? its just a transaction tax. just 3 little pennies for every cash register ring. you know those infomercials about feeding a kid for 3 cents a day? Get it? now that i think about it? i wonder if maybe we should make it a nickle and call it the feed the poor tax and do away with welfare? I'd actually have to sit down and run some numbers first....
thats the 47% that get to take "full" advantage of the tax system. What the news articles fail to point out is the number of high income earners that don't pay tax as well! it's all a poor person thing the way it is being exploited. The tax system favors not just the low income earners but also the rich as we the worker bees pulling just straight w-2s and not enough deductions to score any of the funny money are carrying the load of the country. give you an example: i ran some tests on a schedule A tweaking 2 grey areas, that in the near future I'm sure auditors will begin to really scrutinize, of the form. with just minor tweaking i was able to increase the refund by $750. now quantify that by 100 million returns filed. It boggles the mind. we have become such an anti tax society that it would not surprise me one bit if 25% of the 47% were not tweakers! get it? And don't even get me going on the Schedule C and E filers. once again the IRS estimates 400-500 billion a year in lost revenue all to cheating. Get 7,000,000 people back to work and fix the tax code? we're half way home! But make dam sure its not romnuts at the wheel or for sure we will crash and burn!!! my presidential wish? for 10 years put a limitation on mortgage deduction, get rid of the earned income tax credit, increase cap gain tax to 25%, disallow capital loss carryover (if you go to vegas to gamble and lose what do you come home with?), put the SS tax for employees back to 6.2%, establish a nation wide 3 cent, yes cent, additional sales tax (i have all these pennies that keep ending up in a big pickle jar!), and for now finally, establish a stock trading transaction tax on every peice of paper that moves through the market!!!! MAn what a mountain of money that would create. oh and one last thing? i want an executive order pushed through the day after the election allowing prisoners of the banks (folks with mortgages) to be able to tap up to 50% of retirement funds to pay off homes with only 5% tax and no penalty. See even in that i am willing to pay some tax only 'cuz i did not pay any when i put it in and got nothing when they ripped us off!. Its the folk like my wife at 50 and looking to the 60 that are sick of nothing being done for us!!!! Come on Barrack give me a hook up dude! SERIOUSLY!
The "New Right" of Paul Weyrich subscribes to a Theocratic/Oligarchic form of gov't. After 40 yrs of infiltrating our Democratic Republic, they are in total control. Even if we get Obama re-elected, it will take YEARS to undo all the damaging bills pushed through in the New Right states. Read up on Paul Weyrich in wikipedia, alecexposed.org, sourcewatch.org, prwatch.org...If you have any regard for Democracy, you will research and understand that there is little we can do anymore. Unless we can "cleanse" this country of them?? As for Romney who was to be "crowned" so they could use his 10-digits to sign whatever they put in front of him - he's nothing but a laugh. Absolutely, no credibiility, no class!! You can be a billionaire; but, you can't buy class!!
He Is Standing For President - You Would Assume Of 100% Of Americans, Not 53%. The Only Way The republicans Can Comeback From The #RomneyShambles Campaign Is To Tape Mitts Mouth Up Till 6th. Nov.
Ignivomously ugly? There's a band named Ignivomous, and it's supposed to mean "vomiting fire". I'm not sure the etymology is correct, but it does get the idea across.
I think the pirate word "arr" is the naval term "aye" with a presumed final silent letter r unsilenced. There's another word in American English that gained an r in the same way, but I can't think of it right now.
Usually it goes the other way, of course. We get "cuss" from "curse" and "ass" from "arse".
i assumed that the 47% are legally not required to pay federal income tax. was it not mitt romney who stated that it would be un-american if he were to pay one dollar more in taxes than he was legally required to,
I believe it was Thomas Jefferson that said, "Dissent is the highest from of patriotism." Theodore Roosevelt said, "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President." Of course, I may have that backward, but I have buttons with those quotes on them somewhere.
D'oh! I confused the ratification date of the Constitution with the date it was signed. They're both on astronomically interesting days. The signing was 1787 Sep 21st, an autumnal equinox (okay, not really, but I thought they were always on the 21st until recently), and the ratification was on 1788 Jun 21st, a summer solstice.
Possible the media will try and move on, but we the people will keep it a hot issue up to election day. Even his own part is distancing themselves from him. How many more of these gaffes can his campaign wiggle out of? I really look forward to the first debates. Obama has all sorts of political fodder to throw at him, and probably more by the first debate in Oct.
Yes, I agree he shot himself, but not in the foot.
An Alternative to Capitalism (OWS Goal?)
Several decades ago, Margaret Thatcher claimed: "There is no alternative". She was referring to capitalism. Today, this negative attitude still persists.
I would like to offer an alternative to capitalism for the American people to consider. Please click on the following link. It will take you to an essay titled: "Home of the Brave?" which was published by the Athenaeum Library of Philosophy:
http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/steinsvold.htm
John Steinsvold
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."~ Albert Einstein
Romney's honest sentiment about the 47% along with his refusal to release tax returns are both big, but I still think if voters become aware of Ryan's budget plan and the fact that house republicans have passed it twice......... this will be the final nail in their coffin!
"Has he shot himself in the foot?"
"No" I am sorry to say. Because Obama and the DNC ignored the Citizens United issue and consequent US and Overseas SuperPac power. They seemed to have taken the selfseeking option of letting it ride so that they can continue to control "access to the piggy-trough" for "their chosen team". They have shot themselves in the foot (and the rest of us.) Election fraud percentage will be far higher than the margin between candidates.
Willard was just repeating the same old line of crap I've been hearing from Teabaggers, "Ryan's base," for the last couple years...the rich pay most of the tax while 47% sit around collecting out of control entitlements. Of course the rich get all whip-silly when they hear this because it helps justify their anti-tax greed.
Why 47%ers like the Teabaggers think billionaires like the Kochs need their help with deregulation and tax evasion is beyond me...in fact I've actually asked many that very question and get the same delayed response, something like,.... aaaaaahhh, we need to shrink government and the debt is too high! And I always ask, do you think benefiting the wealthy by shrinking revenue collection even more, is the answer? By then, I've lost them!
I think much of Romney's red state base probably is all screwed up on racism, so it's gonna take a lot to get them to vote for their own best interests. Maybe if Romney confesses that he's a gay, gun hating, atheist, some might just stay home on election day.
Few have talked much about the 1%-ers in the 47% who pay no taxes. What's the chance that (on one of the tax-returns he's not showing us) Romney is part of the 47% -- A freeloader who assumes he's "entitled and a victim of government taxation"? -- Ya think?
YES!!!!!!
Your words:
"47% of Americans who he claims are victims who don't pay taxes, and who are dependent upon government for everything. "
I wrote you a long message and it got deleted. I was trying to copy it and boom, it disappeared and I couldn't get it back. I will repeat only a couple of parta of that "great" message. It said that you need to focus on the comtempt Romney has for the 47%. He didn't say that the 47% are dependent on the government, he said that the 47% believe they "deserve to be dependent" on the government for everything. He didn't say they ARE victims, he said that they SEE THEMSELVES as victims."
Big difference. Also Obama missed that point in a different way. Obama is saying that Romney said he doesn't want to govern those 47%. No, Rmoney only said he knows they aren't going to vote for him. It's the contempt for the 47%, as well as the ignorance regarding just WHO makes up that 47%. As you say, Southerners. Working poor with a lot of kids. Some of the elderly. Some members of the military...
The other thing I suggested was... please don't interrupt people so much. It makes it hard for me to learn, when I can't hear the other guy's POV. Plus, it makes you sound a bit hysterical, at times. Especially with guests you don't agree with. I get yelling at the radio, "Don't interrupt!"
Rboisvert7: Good web site. I scored 86% for Jill Stein, 66% for Obama, and 36% for Romney.
I believe if the people vote for Obama they are just throwing away their votes. And if Romney wins, we can blame that on those who voted for Obama.
I'm glad that Thom had Jill Stein on today.
Are you all forgetting that those mostly republican 1% pay 38% of the federal bills and the top 10% pay 70% of the fed bills. What would you do if the top 10% made a wealthy people union and went on strike. The way you Dems talk you would all starve to dead. You do know the only pay taxes if they make a profit. If you tax to much they don't invest, and there is nothing to tax.
Romney only said anyone on dependent on the government will vote Dem as they are the best at giving hard working tax payers money away. Just look at the hundreds of billions of dollars they wasted on solar, wind and electric car projects. None of them will survive with out being highly subsidized and they green house gases havn't reduced at all.
We've all seen politicians shoot themselves in the foot before, but this is the first time I've seen one shoot himself in the head!
oh my bad the 3 cent sales tax? its just a transaction tax. just 3 little pennies for every cash register ring. you know those infomercials about feeding a kid for 3 cents a day? Get it? now that i think about it? i wonder if maybe we should make it a nickle and call it the feed the poor tax and do away with welfare? I'd actually have to sit down and run some numbers first....
thats the 47% that get to take "full" advantage of the tax system. What the news articles fail to point out is the number of high income earners that don't pay tax as well! it's all a poor person thing the way it is being exploited. The tax system favors not just the low income earners but also the rich as we the worker bees pulling just straight w-2s and not enough deductions to score any of the funny money are carrying the load of the country. give you an example: i ran some tests on a schedule A tweaking 2 grey areas, that in the near future I'm sure auditors will begin to really scrutinize, of the form. with just minor tweaking i was able to increase the refund by $750. now quantify that by 100 million returns filed. It boggles the mind. we have become such an anti tax society that it would not surprise me one bit if 25% of the 47% were not tweakers! get it? And don't even get me going on the Schedule C and E filers. once again the IRS estimates 400-500 billion a year in lost revenue all to cheating. Get 7,000,000 people back to work and fix the tax code? we're half way home! But make dam sure its not romnuts at the wheel or for sure we will crash and burn!!! my presidential wish? for 10 years put a limitation on mortgage deduction, get rid of the earned income tax credit, increase cap gain tax to 25%, disallow capital loss carryover (if you go to vegas to gamble and lose what do you come home with?), put the SS tax for employees back to 6.2%, establish a nation wide 3 cent, yes cent, additional sales tax (i have all these pennies that keep ending up in a big pickle jar!), and for now finally, establish a stock trading transaction tax on every peice of paper that moves through the market!!!! MAn what a mountain of money that would create. oh and one last thing? i want an executive order pushed through the day after the election allowing prisoners of the banks (folks with mortgages) to be able to tap up to 50% of retirement funds to pay off homes with only 5% tax and no penalty. See even in that i am willing to pay some tax only 'cuz i did not pay any when i put it in and got nothing when they ripped us off!. Its the folk like my wife at 50 and looking to the 60 that are sick of nothing being done for us!!!! Come on Barrack give me a hook up dude! SERIOUSLY!
"Has he shot himself in the foot"Maybe another part of his body, but my answer is YEP
The "New Right" of Paul Weyrich subscribes to a Theocratic/Oligarchic form of gov't. After 40 yrs of infiltrating our Democratic Republic, they are in total control. Even if we get Obama re-elected, it will take YEARS to undo all the damaging bills pushed through in the New Right states. Read up on Paul Weyrich in wikipedia, alecexposed.org, sourcewatch.org, prwatch.org...If you have any regard for Democracy, you will research and understand that there is little we can do anymore. Unless we can "cleanse" this country of them?? As for Romney who was to be "crowned" so they could use his 10-digits to sign whatever they put in front of him - he's nothing but a laugh. Absolutely, no credibiility, no class!! You can be a billionaire; but, you can't buy class!!
He Is Standing For President - You Would Assume Of 100% Of Americans, Not 53%. The Only Way The republicans Can Comeback From The #RomneyShambles Campaign Is To Tape Mitts Mouth Up Till 6th. Nov.
Ignivomously ugly? There's a band named Ignivomous, and it's supposed to mean "vomiting fire". I'm not sure the etymology is correct, but it does get the idea across.
I think the pirate word "arr" is the naval term "aye" with a presumed final silent letter r unsilenced. There's another word in American English that gained an r in the same way, but I can't think of it right now.
Usually it goes the other way, of course. We get "cuss" from "curse" and "ass" from "arse".
i assumed that the 47% are legally not required to pay federal income tax. was it not mitt romney who stated that it would be un-american if he were to pay one dollar more in taxes than he was legally required to,
Is this your rebuttal to reply #2? If it is, I suggest you read reply #2 several times and realize we do not have instant runoff voting..
Piracy: Hostile Takeover without the paperwork.
I believe it was Thomas Jefferson that said, "Dissent is the highest from of patriotism." Theodore Roosevelt said, "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President." Of course, I may have that backward, but I have buttons with those quotes on them somewhere.
D'oh! I confused the ratification date of the Constitution with the date it was signed. They're both on astronomically interesting days. The signing was 1787 Sep 21st, an autumnal equinox (okay, not really, but I thought they were always on the 21st until recently), and the ratification was on 1788 Jun 21st, a summer solstice.
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